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sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
01/22/16 01:15:44PM
98 posts

Any one ever use this on their dulcimer to adhere an external pick up?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Tom McDonald:
I love my Myers pickup. The suction cup didn't work for me either. I don't have a flat space that is big enough, and it doesn't stick all that well anyway. Also, had to work around my soundholes-are-knotholes design. After several false starts, I settled on removable velcro. I like the decal idea, though, and will try the command strips. The removable velcro iteself doesn't come off, but the two parts don't stick to each other very well. The cord to the amp can pull the pickup off. Myers pickup 1 Myers pickup 2 Myers pickup, attached

Yes the pick up is Great...just not how to attach it lol....Your photos didn't work though?? but thanks for trying to help. I think I'm going to try what Dusty Suggested!!

thanks!

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
01/22/16 01:13:05PM
98 posts

Any one ever use this on their dulcimer to adhere an external pick up?


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Dusty Turtle:
Maria, First, how to remove the suction cup.  Yes, you have to unscrew the two little screws to open up the box.  Once you get the screws off, carefully open the box, keeping in mind that wires connect the two sides and you don't want to dislodge them.  Once it's open you will see that the suction cup screws into a small hex nut.  At first I thought that nut was part of the plastic casing, but it is not.  I used needle-nosed pliers to start turning the nut, but once it started I was able to unscrew the suction cup by hand. Once you get them detached, put the nut back onto the end of the suction cup post for safekeeping. Second, no, I did not use the adhesive squares that came with the pickup.  I plan to follow Ken H's advice and never leave the pickup attached for too long, so I will need far more than two of whatever I end up using.  I experimented with things called removable mounting squares and restickable mounting dots but found the command poster strips got the most volume.  I am probably going to try again with even thinner two-sided tape. Third, when I strum fast, my fingers touch the top of my dulcimer. On my Ewing dulcimette, the cedar top has a clear grain, and my fingers cross that grain, leaving tiny but sometimes noticeable scratches.  So I cut a piece of a clear window decal sheet to fit the part of the soundboard where my hand might touch.  It is transparent and not always visible, but it offers some little bit of protection. You can see it on this video if you look closely. Look at the the top of the dulcimer near where my hand is strumming and you'll see that part of the dulcimer is shinier than the rest.  That is the decal sheet.  Yes, you can get it at Staples; in fact that's where I got mine. It is called "Staples repositionable clear window decals" and is intended for you to print pictures and then stick them on windows or mirrors.  You can find it in the specialty paper section of the store.  You could conceivable just use a square under your microphone, I supposed, and then take it off when you take off the mic. In fact, when you take the adhesive strip off it will pull the decal sheet off with it.  I have left the decal sheet on my dulcimer for several months at a time.  There is no real adhesive on it, but it can get a little sticky and require some clean-up with a damp sponge.  If you never leave it on for more than a week or two you won't even have to do that.  I would suggest that anyone concerned with damaging their instrument with puddy or tape should use a small piece of this plastic stuff to protect the surface of their instrument.

This is Fantastic info!

I'm headed to staples!!! thanks so much Dusty!

Maria 

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
01/22/16 03:51:15AM
98 posts

Any one ever use this on their dulcimer to adhere an external pick up?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Dusty Turtle:
Skip:DT: I removed the cup just like the instructions given. The only slight problem was moving the innards enough to get to the screw. I'm still working on finding a good way to mount it on my MD's.
Skip, I did finally get the suction cup off. What confused me was simply the instructions to open up the mic and unscrew it, but inside there is no screw head.  I thought it was screwed directly into the mic box, but eventually realized there was a small hex nut there. Once I loosened the hex nut, the suction cup unscrewed with no problem.    I used one of those command strips and it seems to be working pretty well. I think it is in between the thin double-sided tape and the foam.  I'll certainly experiment with other methods of adhering the mic to the dulcimer.  Maybe we can continue this thread and report our different results.   I have another suggestion that others might follow, especially if you are afraid of putting tape or puddy directly onto your dulcimer.  The top of my Ewing baritone dulcimette is very pretty red cedar, but my over-aggressive strumming sometimes hits the top, so to protect the wood I put on a small piece of plastic. It is cut from repositionable, transparent window decal sheets, which you can find in the specialty paper section of any office supply store. There is no adhesive actually involved, but it works as a simple pick-guard. Right now I have the Myers pickup attached to that rather than directly to wood.  I haven't really experimented enough to know if it affects the tone, but it is very thin, so any effect would be minimal, I think.   It would also be nice to do a side-by-side comparison of the Schatten Dualie and the Myers pickups. I like the fact that the Myers has a volume control knob, but the real issue is the sound.  Someday I'll buy a Dualie and do the comparison.  But if someone beats me to it . . .

Dusty,

I'm really interested in the stuff you are talking about (the plastic) what is it called? We have a "Staples" near me. would they sell it? and are you using the little squares that Greg myers Provides with the pick up or did you buy the command strips? 

I actually have found the recorded sound to be quite good. I used it on the last 3 soundcloud videos I did if you want to check it out!

Thanks for the info and also I'm still also trying to figure out how to get the suction cup off. Do you have to unscrew the two screws on the bottom like you would to change the battery? and is there anything inside you actually had to unscrew. I'm sorry I'm just not following as I have opened the back when I first got it to make sure the battery was intact but haven't tried removing the suction cup.

Thanks again

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
01/21/16 02:08:41PM
98 posts

Any one ever use this on their dulcimer to adhere an external pick up?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

sleepingangel:
Rob N Lackey:Don't know anything about that pickup, Maria; I use a Schatten Dualie.  When I got it, it came with double sided tape.  Still have some; still works.  Now it comes with some tacky "stick 'em."  They sent me some and it does work good.  What I've wanted to try is "Rodico One Touch."  I used to work on watches and clocks.  That stuff would not mar a porcelain dial on a watch from the 1700's and would hold the gears in place for tricky setting of plates.  (Now that probably meant nothing to any of y'all, but trust me, it's cool.)  No residue; good and sticky; doesn't take much to work well, doesn't lose it's stickiness.  Oh yeah, did you try moistening the suction cup?  Seems like I used a suction cup pickup back in the day on a classical guitar.  If I remember right, if you push it sideways as you mount it, it forces more of the air out and it stays on longer.  I would put it about an inch or two closer to the soundhole of the guitar then as I put it on, I'd also push it back toward the bridge as I was pushing down on the cup.  It would quit moving and be pretty close to the right spot most of the time  LOL  

Thanks Rob!! I appreciate and enjoyed your information. I will look into that Rodico there is some other stuff I saw for sale on Elderly instruments; Ever hear of this;    


 


http://www.elderly.com/schertler-putty-for-dyn-series-pickups.htm


 

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
01/21/16 02:06:54PM
98 posts

Any one ever use this on their dulcimer to adhere an external pick up?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Rob N Lackey:
Don't know anything about that pickup, Maria; I use a Schatten Dualie.  When I got it, it came with double sided tape.  Still have some; still works.  Now it comes with some tacky "stick 'em."  They sent me some and it does work good.  What I've wanted to try is "Rodico One Touch."  I used to work on watches and clocks.  That stuff would not mar a porcelain dial on a watch from the 1700's and would hold the gears in place for tricky setting of plates.  (Now that probably meant nothing to any of y'all, but trust me, it's cool.)  No residue; good and sticky; doesn't take much to work well, doesn't lose it's stickiness.  Oh yeah, did you try moistening the suction cup?  Seems like I used a suction cup pickup back in the day on a classical guitar.  If I remember right, if you push it sideways as you mount it, it forces more of the air out and it stays on longer.  I would put it about an inch or two closer to the soundhole of the guitar then as I put it on, I'd also push it back toward the bridge as I was pushing down on the cup.  It would quit moving and be pretty close to the right spot most of the time  LOL  

Thanks Rob!! I appreciate and enjoyed your information. I will look into that Rodico there is some other stuff I saw for sale on Elderly instruments; Ever hear of this;

 

 

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
01/21/16 11:06:27AM
98 posts

Any one ever use this on their dulcimer to adhere an external pick up?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Dan Goad:
I wouldn't put an adhesive strip on any of my dulcimers.  I don't want anything hanging off them at all.  My picks go into a small pouch on my belt or in the watch pocket of my jeans. My capo goes on top of the scroll or below the bridge if space allows. Otherwise it is in a pocket.

dan this isn't for a pick. I need something to "temporarily" stick my pick up on....I have a Myer's Pick up which gives excellent results for recording but it pops off and that wont be good for gigging. The owner said he's had many musicians use the ones that I described and that "sanstew" posted about using for his picks...I'm just trying to figure out what to do short of just using it for recording but that's a shame as it cost 129 dollars

Take care

Maria

 

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
01/21/16 04:45:55AM
98 posts

Any one ever use this on their dulcimer to adhere an external pick up?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

sanstew:
Hi. I use the command strips to put pick holders on my Dulcimers. I did not want to mar the finish. So far I have had great luck with them.

Okay quick question. someone told me on another group that they would be afraid of two things with the command strips: one that when they pull the tab to release it , it pulls on the wood and it could possible break it with that much force and two is there a residue of any kind on the dulcimers?

Thanks so much and if you don't mind do you know if the one I listed is the exact one you use?

thanks so much

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
01/15/16 11:22:36AM
98 posts

Any one ever use this on their dulcimer to adhere an external pick up?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi everyone I'm enjoying the wonderful sound of this pick up called "Myers Pick up" I've put a few examples on soundcloud and many people have commented how good the dulcimer sounds. Here's the problem. The suction cup he uses to mount the pick up to the dulcimer pops off. I've had to just leave it "sit" there and play carefully and it works but I have a gig in two months that I can't have that happen with....I thought at first I could use that "tacky" stuff that I use to hang up pictures in my class room but it does leave a residue. Also I reached out to the owner who was very understanding as I thought I may have to upgrade to a different type. He told me that was no problem but that he's had many customers tell him they use 2M command strips. I just went on Amazon and it does look like they could work without damaging the instrument. If you scroll down it shows that when you need to "remove" the strip from the instrument you pull a tab down and it releases it without damaging the wall (normally use is to hang up stuff on walls) I do recall back in the day those types of strips would rip the paint and sometimes the board of the wall off...seems like they made an improvement and they are touting that "it won't damage walls" etc. 

what is your opinion? 

Here's the link:

 

 http://www.amazon.com/Command-17024VP-Poster-Strips-48-Strips/dp/B001KYSAN4/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452874269&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=2M+command+strips 


updated by @sleepingangel: 08/01/23 10:25:42PM
sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
01/02/16 03:37:37PM
98 posts

recommendation on a capo for the dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Yes Strumelia, I really like it a lot. The workmanship is excellent!! I've used it quite a bit too. It is much trickier than using a guitar capo due to the diatonic frets but I'm finding that I'm enjoying the challenge!!

thanks again everyone! I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. I sent Ron a check for $20 and within 10 days I had my capo!

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/22/15 09:52:38AM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


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robert schuler:
Your tuners are the low end ukulele friction type. They work well enough on short scale nylon strung ukuleles but not suited for long scale steel string dulcimers. There should be two friction washers against both sides of the peg box. Perhaps they are missing. Did you tighten the screw's enough. There are very good inexpensive tuners you can replace them with. Contact a local music store for leads to a repair shop.... Robert. 

thanks so much Robert. I just checked and both washers are there. I did notice that in between the white turning part and the rest of the tuning peg there is an additional washer in between that. All of them are sort of crooked and don't lie flat in that space. I have no idea if that could be part of the problem. I do know that I keep a screw driver in my dulcimer bag because sometimes I have to retighten that screw you were talking about so that it doesn't keep slipping or not getting to the exact note...like it just keeps falling flat...when I do that it works ok for the song or whatever. 

thanks again!

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/22/15 01:13:07AM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


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Ken Hulme:
Most, but not all, festivals have one or more builders in attendance who can certainly look at the instrument and advise you.

oh cool. I will try and do that!!! Even if they can't quite "Fix" it they can tell me what I have to do etc.

I also need them to look at the tuning pegs...they really slip when tuning as they are the "Friction' ones I think...I can tune just just right where it should be and then it goes sharp...and sometimes if the screw has slipped it won't get any more tighter it will just bounce back..it's so weird as I've never had a guitar with these types of tuning pegs...I'm hoping I can fix them as it would be nice to 'keep' the original equipment on it BUT I will probably never sell it anyway so maybe I should just have them replace them if it's easier enough (with geared tuning pegs) 

Thanks again

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/21/15 10:26:05PM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


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Joe Robison:
Looks to me like part of the problem is in the design of the pegbox.  If you are a novice woodworker, you might want to get a luthier to do this.  The sides of the box where the strings rub and bend need to be thinned down so the strings run straight and do not rub the sides. This can be done with wood files or a Dremel tool but should be done by someone who is experienced at such things.  The end of the fretboard past the nut also needs to be beveled so the strings don't touch.  This can also be done with files or Dremel tools.

thanks so much. quick question. I've never attended a dulcimer festival but I'm planning to go to one in the Poconos in January. Do they have people like that who can look at it? thanks though for the suggestions though!!

thanks

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/16/15 11:29:25PM
98 posts

What's the best thing to use to condition my old all black walnut dulcimer?


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Ken Longfield:
Maria, you shouldn't have any problem with the Lemon Oil. I disagree with Bob on the use of Pledge or any polish that contains silicone. It can cause problems with trying to match the finish if a repair is needed. Just speaking from experience. Stick with polishes made for instruments. Ken "The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

 

Thanks Ken,

Yeah I figured I would stick with a product made for a wooden instrument!! 

I just remember as a child doing my "chores" and we always had to use pledge on the bedroom set furniture and it has like this waxy build up now ( I recently was given my mom and dad's bedroom set after my mom passed and noticed that and remembered what we used!!)

take care and thanks

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/16/15 05:38:21PM
98 posts

What's the best thing to use to condition my old all black walnut dulcimer?


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Okay so this is good information. Thank you.

I ordered this: from musician's friend ebay store: Dunlop Fretboard 65 Ultimate Lemon Oil

it was free shipping and less then 4.00 and it gets good reviews

I will try that on the fretboard and see what happens etc...and then perhaps the other advice on the wood or maybe even try a spot that's not conspicious and use it for the wood. I will know more when I receive it and read the label.

Thanks again

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/15/15 09:03:06PM
98 posts

What's the best thing to use to condition my old all black walnut dulcimer?


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Ken Hulme:
As the others say , we really need to know what the original finish was -- oil, urethane, shellac, etc.   FWIW, Lemon oil can be used on ANY wood, not just lemon wood   Brand doesn't matter, contents do -- you want a lemon oil where the lemon oil itself is the predominant ingredient.

so basically no matter what finish it is the lemon wood WON'T HURT it right??

If that's the case then I will get that. 

Thanks

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/15/15 06:40:19PM
98 posts

What's the best thing to use to condition my old all black walnut dulcimer?


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oh wow...I don't know. I do know it was made by Jack Bruner who owned the Walnut Valley Dulcimer Company. It's all solid black walnut and it was the 86th dulcimer made in 1989. I believe the owner of mine actually bought it new in Epcot from the owner.

Thanks so much

Maria

here are some pictures

 


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updated by @sleepingangel: 12/15/15 06:42:36PM
sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/15/15 04:43:21PM
98 posts

What's the best thing to use to condition my old all black walnut dulcimer?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Hi,

I noticed today when I was playing in the sun (hard to believe it's Dec 15th in NY) that the wood has some areas where it looks dry.

This is the all black walnut dulcimer I bought used. The owner's son had it in a box (original box btw) for the last 20 years.

Thanks so much. 

I've heard lemon oil ( I think it was Marc Matthieu) but I don't know what kind to get brand etc...and can that be used on walnut

 

Thanks so much

Maria


updated by @sleepingangel: 08/01/23 07:45:29AM
sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/14/15 01:20:35AM
98 posts

recommendation on a capo for the dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

very cool Jim!! Practical and works! perfect!

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/01/15 11:02:51AM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


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dronestyles:
If it ain't broke now, don't fix it.  However, if you find the outermost (closest to you) melody string breaking often, try reversing the peg attachment for the melody strings.  That way the outermost string will be attached to the farther peg, making it bend less.  

that's a true statement!! 
So far I think it's okay now....I'll have to see as I play it and tune it. 
Thanks for the tip too

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/01/15 12:54:36AM
98 posts



Ken Hulme:
You can set those string spacings any way you want, by adding new string slots.  The melody string couplet should be about 1/8" apart.  The non-middle string is an easy fix with a fine saw like a jewelers' saw or even a V section needle file.  The grooves don't have to be deep, but they should be deeper towards the respective end of the instrument.

well I guess I could do all that but honestly if I spent the money for a new instrument then I don't want to have to fix mistakes. plus now I already bought my "new" old one and I don't think at the moment I need both. In fact the skinnier neck would now mess me up so I'm happy learning on the Walnut Valley one.

but thanks for the suggestions

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
12/01/15 12:52:19AM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

robert schuler:
You should try playing with one melody string using the tuner that works best. The dulcimer is really a three string instrument after all. Looks like you have the old friction ukulele type tuners. If they continue to slip you might lower your tuning to Cgc. Looks like a pretty dulcimer.,. Good luck... Robert  

well so far with changing the strings a bit and fooling with that screw I've gotten it tuned to dadd and it seems to be holding!! But thanks for the advice and compliments on it!

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 05:31:58PM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


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Colleen Hailey:
 I was watching that one on Ebay.  So glad that it went to a good home.

Oh wow.....thanks so much!! it's prettier than the pics on ebay show and for that I'm glad!!

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 05:30:38PM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Ken Hulme:
The strings should go over the top of the peg as you tighten them, not underneath, otherwise the won't stay tight.  The picture from the tuning head end seems to show them winding around correctly.  With that sort of tuning head it's quite common for the melody strings to cross each other, at it does not usually cause a problem. The inner melody string rightfully goes to the tuner at the far end, and the outer melody string goes to the closest tuner. 

Okay that's good news!! 
Thanks so much
Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 01:57:45PM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


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I don't know why the above repsonse is on the side but if you could read it and look at picture that would be great

thanks

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 01:54:55PM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


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sleepingangel:
Robin Clark:It is difficult to tell from the photos but you may have the melody strings a little twisted where they pass over each other.  Getting as straight a line as possible from the white string spacer to the tuners may smooth up things a little.  Also, those tuners are not that easy to use.  They work on friction and the little screw on the ends of them sets how stiff they are to turn.  You need to set them so they turn easy but will still hold the strings at the pitch you want.  It takes a little trial and error to get that screw tension correct. The first fret is actually a 'zero fret' - this is quite a common set-up on dulcimers.  The white 'nut' just spaces the strings correctly as they cross the zero fret.  All in all, the instrument looks lovely and should play just fine once you have the tuners sorted to the correct tension.  If you continue to struggle with the tuners then a guitar luthier should be able to swap them for either guitar or banjo tuners with gears.
Thanks so much for getting back to me and the info you provided. I will try and "unloosen" the screw a bit as I thought they were supposed to be tight...now I know...also I agree with the way they lay...maybe I will "attempt" to straiten if I can...worse case scenerio I will try to see a "professional"  and thanks so much I really like it so far Maria

 

Okay so I unloosened both of the melody and then somehow popped the one that was closer to the middle which mean the peg was the further away from the fretboard so I had to reverse the strings and I was able to get them both back on. BUT I may have screwed up the direction and does it matter?

Right now the bottom bass d and the middle string a get tighter as I twist the peg UP, and the ones I just put back the two top melody strings get tighter when I twist the pegs down. IS that wrong? or maybe I'm right now and had it wrong before......also here's a new pic and no matter how I try the strings do cross each other but it seems like it's a bit better. what do you think?

Maria


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updated by @sleepingangel: 11/30/15 01:56:53PM
sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 01:51:07PM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

john p:
I'm nervous because when I tune it now it feels like if I tune it differently (like I want to change it to daa for a music book my son gave me ) then it will pop those two double strings.   I'm guessing you are currently tuned to DAd, in which case you need to tune the melody strings down to A, not up.

AHHHH the lightbulb goes on lol...Thanks then I don't risk popping the strings too...thank you thank you thank you!!

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 01:49:51PM
98 posts



Dusty Turtle:
I think it's safe to say that at best, the Roosebeck dulcimers are inconsistent, which would make sense since their construction seems to move from one country to another, presumably wherever labor is cheaper.  Some folks have gotten lucky with nice instruments and others have what we call dulcimer-shaped-objects, more appropriate for hanging on the wall than for making music. Sleepingangel, don't beat yourself up over this. I was pretty lucky in finding a good instrument for my first dulcimer, but it can be hard to know what to do. I really wish McSpadden and Folkcraft would make an entry-level instrument, but since their base models start at over $400, beginners look elsewhere. Many of us suggest the student model dulcimers that some luthiers such as David "Harpmaker" Lynch sell for about $125. But without that advice, many people look to the less expensive instruments out there, which is hit-or-miss.   What do you meant that the "spacing of the strings is wrong?"  Are they too far apart?  Too close together?  Either way, a new bridge and nut should fix the problem.  A more important question is whether the frets are spaced correctly. You can test that with an electric tuner.  Tune your open strings and then check each note as you move up the fretboard. If the intonation is off, you can definitively tell the seller that the instrument is defective.

 

Thanks Dusty...

I already did send them the picture I will post here so you will see what I mean and no matter where you fit it (meaning their are extra grooves in the nut) the spacing is not correct. the two dd strings are too close together and the a string is not in the middle it's closer to the bass d string. 
I sent them this picture and one of a mcspadden that I got off the internet to show that. I will have to wait now and see what they come back with and then if they give me more trouble I will do the "intonation" check.  Even If I lose money I'm getting rid of it and sticking with my old new Walnut Valley..Thanks again

Maria


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sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 12:58:33PM
98 posts

I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Robin Clark:
It is difficult to tell from the photos but you may have the melody strings a little twisted where they pass over each other.  Getting as straight a line as possible from the white string spacer to the tuners may smooth up things a little.  Also, those tuners are not that easy to use.  They work on friction and the little screw on the ends of them sets how stiff they are to turn.  You need to set them so they turn easy but will still hold the strings at the pitch you want.  It takes a little trial and error to get that screw tension correct. The first fret is actually a 'zero fret' - this is quite a common set-up on dulcimers.  The white 'nut' just spaces the strings correctly as they cross the zero fret.  All in all, the instrument looks lovely and should play just fine once you have the tuners sorted to the correct tension.  If you continue to struggle with the tuners then a guitar luthier should be able to swap them for either guitar or banjo tuners with gears.

Thanks so much for getting back to me and the info you provided. I will try and "unloosen" the screw a bit as I thought they were supposed to be tight...now I know...also I agree with the way they lay...maybe I will "attempt" to straiten if I can...worse case scenerio I will try to see a "professional" 

and thanks so much I really like it so far

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 12:14:58PM
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I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

dronestyles:
You might have tightened the screw a little too much.  Try loosening it just a bit.  A little WD 40 on the outside of the peg assemble can't hurt.  But don't get it on the strings!  A guitar luthier could defintely help.  It looks like the outside strings bend too much when going into the peg box.  Attaching them nearer to the center of the peg box would help.  

Hi thanks so much for your response. I will try the suggestions. What do you mean "attaching them nearer to the center of the peg box?" is that something I can do or is that what the luthier has to do?

thanks

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 12:08:57PM
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Ok so I've now realized that the Roosebeck has issues......(c'mon where are the "I told you so's" lol) 

I didn't know it as I am new to the dulcimer but basically it was made incorrectly. The spacing of the strings is wrong and can't be rectified.

ALso I can't use my new Ewing Capo with it because it buzzes. 

I bought a used Walnut Valley for $150 in mint condition and it's NIGHT and Day. I made another post in another forum here on this site asking about the tuning pegs if anyone would help me out I'd appreciate it.

The spacing is the way it's supposed to be and the capo works!!

NOW I HAVE TO FIGHT WITH the company that sold me the Roosebeck because they are calling my return buyers remorse and I don't agree that I just changed my mind. There's a reason. They want to charge me a 30 percent restocking fee and have me pay for return shipping. 

Even if I do I'm still going to sell it back because after playing this 30 year old dulcimer for 4 days I realize I will NEVER play the other one. so I may have to bite the bullet and lose the money.

 

My dear departed mom used to say "education is expensive"

 

Take care

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/30/15 10:24:12AM
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I just bought a 27 year old dulcimer and I have some questions


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

On Friday I re'cd my ebay purchase of a 27 year old Walnut Valley Smoky River Dulcimer.

The seller is the son of the original owner who bought it new. The condition looks to be outstanding and I think it sure has a "sweet" tone. I am in the process of trying to "return" the Roosebeck (meeting with some issues as they want to charge me a 30 percent restocking fee and return shipping) The Roosebeck's fretboard was made incorrectly. The middle string was not in the middle which created an unusually large space between it and the double d strings which also were spaced too far apart to hit both comfortably. Adding to that is that I couldn't use the new Ewing Capo which I bought. The instructions said if the strings buzz it's the dulcimer not the capo. SO with that I found this little beauty.  It was packed in two boxes. The inside box is the original that it came in and the dulcimer had the original manufacturer's warrranty with the serial number. It was made in 1989 and it was the 86th instrument made that year. I did research after but heard mixed things about it. but I took a chance because I felt the price was right and it looked really good from the pictures. The truth is it looks BETTER than the pictures as the pictures did NOT show the correct color of this dulcimer. It's a deep walnut. Anyway my biggest and only concern is this: The tuning pegs are really tight. I did use a screw driver to tighten the outside part of it (it's the old fashioned kind with the gear I guess inside the white head of it) 

It does slip a bit when tuning although since I changed the strings (as soon as I got it) and have played it for the last 4 days it seems to be holding the tune. 

I'm nervous because when I tune it now it feels like if I tune it differently (like I want to change it to daa for a music book my son gave me ) then it will pop those two double strings. Those seem to be the "tightest"  it's kind of got a weird thing going on at the nut. There is a space after the 1st fret and then the nut and the a space and then the strings go into an indent into the wood and up into the scroll. But the two d's seem to almost cross each other to get where they need to be (another concern like the rubbing might make them snap)

 

Also is there some kind of thing like wd40 that I can use? 

Lastly would a guitar luthier help? I don't have any dulcimer people here in my town that I know.  


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updated by @sleepingangel: 08/01/23 01:58:57PM
sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/16/15 10:33:04PM
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Terry Wilson:
Maria, it's obvious you've performed more than once.  I enjoyed your video. I've often wondered about the Rooseback  dulcimers.  Please post a video after you've had it awhile.  Never held or seen one in person,  but always thought they looked really nice .  But reviews are not positive for the most part.  Of course, because of our nature, folks would rather post bad than good. I know you will enjoy your journey.  Terry 

Thanks Terry, Yes, I've gigged a lot in the past. Had to slow it down to take care of my elderly parents. Sadly my mom passed away on Valentines Day this year.  I will definitely post a video. In fact I wrote a song on it the day after I got it!! 

Take care

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/16/15 10:00:43PM
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Questions about a chord


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Dusty Turtle:
sleepingangel:and would 2-(a string) 3 (low d) and 4 (High d) be an A7?
The short answer is yes, that is an A7.   It is standard, however, in the dulcimer world to refer to chords beginning with the bass string and then moving towards you, so the chord you describe would simply be 324.  Another easy A7 is 123. And remember that in DAd tuning, all the chords are reversible, so 324 can also be 423.  123 can also be 321.  Easy, isn't it?

OHHHHHH that makes sense Dusty...thanks so much I wasn't looking at it quite right. I was thinking that you needed to describe it in "order of appearance on the fret board but the way you said make more sense....thanks so much...and yeah that reversible thing is very cool...can't do that on a guitar lol...

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/16/15 05:39:59PM
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Questions about a chord


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Skip:
Since a 7th chord actually consists of 4 notes both of them are abbreviated 7ths. We, as MD players, use short chords quite alot. With that in mind both can be considered dominant 7th inversions, D7/A7, as you say. An easy way to figure a 7th [dominant] is to add the note name 2 half [1 whole] steps before the root note of the basic chord triad; ie., D= DF#A; 7th = DF#AC. A major 7th is formed if the 4th note is the same note name a half step before the chord root. The player has to determine which combination of the 4 notes works the best for them in each case. 

Okay cool so I'm glad I'm on the right track!! thanks so much for the added information!

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/16/15 02:46:53PM
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Thanks so much. So far so good!!

Maria

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/16/15 02:15:31PM
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Questions about a chord


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

and would 2-(a string) 3 (low d) and 4 (High d) be an A7?

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/16/15 02:05:48PM
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Questions about a chord


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi as you all know I'm new to the Dulcimer. I downloaded some free chord charts but this one that I "stumbled upon" while exploring my dulcimer isn't there. I think it's a D dominant 7
It's 6-5-7 (the fret board still confuses me a bit since I'm a guitar player and used to it being chromatic. Thanks so much. And the 6 is the low d string the 5 is the a string and the 7 is the high d string.
Thank and I hope this was the right place to ask this
Maria
sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
11/16/15 01:57:46AM
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Jan Potts:
Sounds like a nice dulcimer, Maria!  And the main thing is that it pleases you!  Happy strumming!  

THanks Jan, Yes, I'm becoming obsessed with the dulcimer lol....I'm so happy to have found something that is taking my mind off not playing guitar and is quickly becoming very rewarding!!

Maria

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