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granto
@granto
08/30/24 10:07:47AM
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Reasons NOT To Get a Chromatic


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Been a bit since this thread was active but I enjoyed reading and thinking about it.

I think it's worth pointing out this discussion is really just about names. Whether some instrument is a "dulcimer" or not simply depends on how we define "dulcimer". Of course we will disagree on that. Should "dulcimer" be used in the strictest sense, or allowed to be used more broadly, referring to any instrument that had it's beginnings at least partially with the dulcimer? There cannot be agreement on this question because it is a matter of opinion. 

Honestly I don't think it matters. The purpose of words and names is to communicate. As long as there is no confusion of communication then the names serve their purpose. If I say "chromatic dulcimer" and everyone knows exactly what I'm referring to, that is sufficient. Of course we could discuss whether to use the term "dulcimer" or not. However, alluding to Shakespeare, what we call the instrument doesn't change what it is, its value, or its place in the musical world. Every instrument in the dulcimer world has it's strengths and weaknesses. Furthermore, everyone sees the relationships between different varieties of dulcimers differently because they all have different experiences. 

I totally agree with OverDrive; every instrument you play affects how you play other instruments. NateBuildsToys points out how he played the diatonic dulcimer first and later played the chromatic dulcimer, which then affected his view of the diatonic dulcimer. 

NateBuildsToys:
OverDrive:

Whenever I take up a new instrument, it gives me a fresh perspective on the other instruments I play. 

 

It's funny that you mention this. My experience with chromatic dulcimer is that it enhances my perspective of diatonic dulcimer. The cultural place of chromatic and diatonic dulcimers might be different, but to me, as a self taught dulcimer player, chromatic dulcimer provides me with useful contextual information that I can apply to diatonic. Specifically, hearing the ways that the same chords that I play in diatonic can fit into other keys helps me to think of them with a more open mind. 
Nate

 

However, Dusty Turtle played chromatic instruments first, and later played the diatonic dulcimer. Because of this, his experience learning the diatonic dulcimer was very different than it is for others. 

Dusty Turtle:

I think of diatonic and chromatic dulcimers as two roads that lead to different kinds of attractions along the way. One will mainly take you to traditional music, both modal and pentatonic, and the other leads you to pop, blues, and jazz.  Both can cross over a little bit, but they have different emphases.

Of course, I mainly play a dulcimer with 6+ and 1+ frets, so I've chosen a kind of middle path.  I play mostly diatonic music but can occasionally add blue notes or switch keys in ways that would be much more difficult on a truly diatonic instrument.

I would like to caution us all not to assume generalizations hold for everyone.  I played the guitar, mandolin, and ukulele before discovering the dulcimer, and the diatonic fretboard did not make the instrument easier to learn.  On the contrary, the fact that I could not play so many of the songs in my head was very frustrating. It took about 2 years of playing everyday for me to get a sense of what melodies could be found on the diatonic fretboard and what couldn't.  (It may be true that there are no wrong notes on the dulcimer, but that doesn't mean that all the right ones are there!) 

And chording on the diatonic fretboard is more complex.  On a chromatic fretboard, a chord shape will be the same type of chord as you move up and down the fretboard, but on a diatonic dulcimer, that chord shape changes between major and minor.  That fact significantly slows down the development of dulcimer players who wish to play chords.

 

For me personally, I learned the diatonic dulcimer as my first instrument. My understanding of the diatonic fretboard has shaped my entire understanding of music theory and how I play any musical instrument. I see the keys on the piano in terms of numbers from a dulcimer fretboard. When playing even a six or seven string instrument, whether guitar-like, zither-like or otherwise, I understand the tuning in terms of groups of three strings I can recognize as dulcimer tunings such as DAD, DAA, or DGD. For me, the diatonic dulcimer is absolutely fundamental to music, so when I play a chromatic dulcimer, I instinctively think of it as an extension of the dulcimer. Yet I know not everyone thinks this way. The cool thing is, that means I and other people have very different musical ideas, and we can learn from each other. 

Whether you want to play a chromatic dulcimer or not is totally up to you. People will be attracted to different instruments (including types of dulcimers) for a variety of reasons, whether natural playing style, preferred sound, desired musical genere, etc. I think the important thing is that we all make music. The value of us all making music together is we get to see everyone's unique approach and individual ideas, and learn from each other. I want to value and preserve the traditions of past generations, and explore new ideas at the same time. There are things I can do with a chromatic that I can't with a diatonic, and vice versa. Both have an important place. I love the stuff I do on the chromatic dulcimer, because it's just plain fun! I also love playing the diatonic dulcimer. Then again, I can't even play noter style, but I love that sound and am so thankful for people who play it well. In both cases, we're all making music, we just don't do it in the same way or with the exact same instrument. The dulcimer community will be the healthiest when we all value the music everyone makes, whether it's like our own or not. 

granto
@granto
11/17/23 11:07:12AM
10 posts

My first album is for sale!


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

Absolutely! Some of the songs on the album are also on my YouTube channel. Of course, in the cd they're played on a nicer instrument (e.g. not cardboard dulcimers) and with better sound quality. 

Some samples:

-Andantino in G Major by Ferdinando Carulli:

-Reel Joy

In the cd I play this on my Blue Lion dulcimer, but it does sound cool on the banjo dulcimer too:)

-Cluck Old Hen

In the cd, this is part of a medley, which also includes Boatin' Up Sandy and Red Haired Boy

-Cello Suite 1 - Prelude

This sounds really nice on the Blue Lion dulcimer!

-Classical Gas

granto
@granto
11/16/23 12:57:16PM
10 posts

My first album is for sale!


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

I've been planning to release a cd for a while now and I've finally finished it! It features 12 tracks and a variety of genres. I'm really happy with how it turned out. To learn more or purchase it for yourself, click here:

https://www.grantolsondulcimer.com/albums

Or you can watch this video to learn more:

granto
@granto
08/11/20 10:00:55PM
10 posts

Bach Cello Suite 1 (prelude) on Mountain dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions


Hello everyone! I wanted to share a song I worked on recently:

It is the Prelude from Bach's cello suite 1. It is a really nice tune I enjoyed learning and enjoy playing. It is played on a chromatic dulcimer, as there are too many extra notes. Just standard DAD, but it is actually in the key of A, to give some extra range down low.

I found lots of videos of hammered dulcimer arrangements, but none of mountain dulcimer. It sounds really nice overall, and it helps that the dulcimer is a soft instrument. It loses some of the low sounding notes which make the cello distinctive, but I think it's still good.

This cello suite actually has 5 parts! This is the first. I'm thinking I may learn more of the parts at some point. This probably would remain the most interesting part but who knows. It's an interesting song because it doesn't have such a clear melody as we're used to, but it's far from being random notes.

Anyway I hope you enjoy watching!

Grant

granto
@granto
07/06/20 12:21:53PM
10 posts

Grant Olson Website


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Hello everyone! I wanted to let you know about new resources I've made. -my website:

www.grantolsondulcimer.com

I've got on there some more information about my musical background and info and pictures on some of the dulcimers I've built. <>

I hope those who are interested find this helpful!

Grant

granto
@granto
05/06/20 02:00:37PM
10 posts

Adding Extra Strings to Courses


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Interesting question Nate! First about 6 string dulcimers and things: I have a mcspadden baritone with 6 strings. Before I restrung it, it was A2A3-E3E4-A3A3. I also thought it was a little annoying to play, since the pairs of strings are not equal in size. But I thought it had a very rich sound with the octave courses.

Then you're also talking about some 4 string ideas. I think those are fun. However, going off what Ken was saying, a 4 string dulcimer is not really a "trational" dulcimer. You'll have to do more chords usually and be more careful what strings you play.

A few different tunings:
D-F#-A-d:
I haven't done much with this but I think most of the time, folks are using this to access more chromatic notes on a diatonic instrument. If you're not familiar with chromatic stuff, this probably won't be very intuitive.

D-G-A-D:
This is the first 4 string tuning I really tried. I also played Rondo Alla Turca with this tuning. I think it's more intuitive, because both DAd and DGd are hidden in there. I also like it because you can get more 4 note chords in a tighter range, and have extra strings for fast melodies. However, this tuning is harder with strumming because one of the middle strings will often get in the way.

D-A-d-a:
I of course like this tuning. It's got a larger range, but with four strings more 7th chords and other 4 note chords are avaliable. Another observation to help playing in this tuning: the higher three strings, (A-d-a) are actually the same intervals as DGd tuning. If you know DGd chord shapes, you can play them there.

One thing to think about is what you want extra strings for. Do you want to play songs you already know, just with a different sound; or do you want to dive into a completely new tuning and different techniques?

Grant
granto
@granto
04/26/19 02:41:34PM
10 posts

4-string dulcimer DADB tuning (5th and a 3rd)


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Janita Baker developed a method of playing chromatically by tuning to DAA#D. I have a four string chromatic dulcimer I tuned to DGAD. I used it to arrange Rondo Alla Turca, as best I could with four strings.

granto
@granto
01/26/19 10:32:37PM
10 posts

Partial Frets


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For what I want to do, staples look to be a good option, if only a little time consuming at first. Thanks for the quick responses! i was at Ron Ewing's house once, and he had a dulcimer with frets under only the melody string, but it was standard fret wire all the way to the edge. Any idea how he might have done that?

granto
@granto
01/26/19 06:28:27PM
10 posts

Partial Frets


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Historically, there have been some dulcimers, played with the noter-drone style, which had frets under only the melody string. Many other instruments have such partial frets which do not extend across the whole fret board. My question is, how are these installed? I thought I had read somewhere that it should be simple, but I can't find a simple explanation of how to do it. Online I have found some people saying that you can use really small drill bits or dremel bits, but there should be an easier way, if only because luthiers have been making partial frets for hundreds of years. Any input is appreciated. 

Grant


updated by @granto: 10/27/19 12:02:25PM
granto
@granto
01/02/19 05:42:00PM
10 posts



I know this is an old post but I have an answer. I had the same question as you, Julie. I asked Ron at a festival if people ever tune a dulcimette, normally an octave higher, to a standard dulcimer tuning. He said some people have tried it but it just doesn't sound as good.