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Having belonged to a couple of other web sites dedicated to the dulcimer, I can say that FOTMD and Everything Dulcimer are like family. No need for flame retardants or asbestos suits. Just good friendly helpful people. I really think there is something sort of magical about the dulcimer. It just brings out the best in people.
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FOTMD one year anniversary on July 29th, 2010 !
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OK, I'm out of the loop. What is our "official" theme song??? Please don't tell me you all mean "Boil Em Cabbage Down". I don't know it. If it is, can I just play "Old Joe Clark" instead???? Phil Myers said:
I'll certainly be playing it!
Robin Thompson said:Strumelia said:Robin Thompson said:How shall we mark the day?
I'm thinking I'll listen to our official song a time or two.
Ah yes...the official theme song.
Strumelia, I'd play our official tune if I knew it. Who knows, maybe I'll learn it by Thursday.
FOTMD one year anniversary on July 29th, 2010 !
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Ditto for me on all expressions of congratulations on your hard work and excellent contribution to the dulcimer world, Lisa. joe zankowitz said:
Thanks Lisa for all you great work, you are special.
Joe
BEGINNERS' OLD TIME JAM – DOWN THE PUB
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In our area we don't have bars that have patrons that would put up with the TV remote being "nicked". The only bar in the town that had a bar type of set up, rather than a restaurant that serves alcohol which is the most common situation, had 5 big screen TVs in it. But it closed down a while ago, couldn't afford the rent.Most places in this area are primarily restaurants, and they want you to eat dinner and go, thus freeing up a table for the next person eating. If the restaurant does have a bar, it's off to one side and isn't set up like a pub. I'm thinking of restaurants like Appleby's and Northwoods which are chain operations. Not at all the sort of place that would encourage musicians to come in and have a session. Robin Clark said:
Forget the food - I'd go straight for the draft Guiness!!!!
It is good to hear you have a welcoming music scene in your town Strumelia.
I think that we should make the effort to reclaim our bars and other public spaces for live music. We have had to fight a number of battles over here. And the musicians' political lobby has stopped draconian licencing regulations and amended by-laws on music in bars and other venues. We can now play "incidental music" without the venue needing a music licence. This basically means that you can get paid for a gig and as long as the venue is not selling tickets specifically for your gig then they don't need a licence. Pub landlords have become far more welcoming since this law change.
We do have flat screen TVs in pubs over here (but we nick the TV remote from behind the bar at the George when we arrive so we can swich it off). Carrying one of those universal remotes in your MD case should solve that issue in most bars
BEGINNERS' OLD TIME JAM – DOWN THE PUB
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It's great you've found a place to gather and play. There's nary a pub in the my village that would have such a session. Actually there's nary a pub that I know of in the village.The town next to us has a sports bar and grill, but instruments wouldn't be welcome and they wouldn't be heard over the flat screen TV in every corner of the place.We just aren't set up anywhere near here for the type of music sessions you all do over there.
A Mixolydian "Yankee Doodle"
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The simple flatting of a note wouldn't to me give a tune a Scottish flavor, but rather changing the rhythm of the notes to create the Scots snap or Scotch catch as it is sometimes call. A short note followed by a longer held note or the other way around, long followed by short. Scotland the Brave has examples of that particular Scottish musical beat.And when I think of the tunes that have a more primitive or backwoods feel, I think of those ballads which the mountain people sang in the minor modes, while the same tune might have been in the major mode when it first traveled over. Several of my English folk song books will have a tune like Barbara Allen in the major while in the mountain tradition Barbary Ellen is in the minor. Flint Hill said:
Keigh, that seems like an entirely reasonable response.
The Mix version sounded musical to me. To my ear, the flatted seventh gave it a Scotch or Irish sound, and made it sound more backwoods and ancient.
A Mixolydian "Yankee Doodle"
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All I can say is that other than having to rush my singing, I can sing Yankee Doodle to the first version, and can't manage to do it to the second. The first version sounds happy and gay and the second simply sounds misplayed. But they both sound too fast to my ear.This is the speed and sound of Yankee Doodle I'm used to, so I guess that's what my ear expects to hear. http://back.numachi.com:8000/dtrad/midi/YANKDOOD.midi
I made a music stand and dulcimer holder from an old art easel, quilted dust covers for for my several of my dulcimers. A wooden quilt stand morphed into a multiple dulcimer holder. It can hold 8 instruments.I made a single quilted padded bag for my Berg when I first got it out of some fabric that had musical notes on it. The Berg was so very long that it didn't fit any standard case. I had intended the fabric for coveralls for my daughter. Then when I picked up a second instrument Kurt Simerman suggested that I try making a double bag. That was on a Saturday. That night I when I came home from the festival, I made a heavy padded bag using the same musical fabric. I showed it to Kurt the next day. It was a double drawstring bag. He was so pleased that I took his advice that he called some other vendors over to look at it. heheheheeeLet's see, what else? A bag to hold an instrument on a closet door, modified a chair for playing comfort. Most of these items I put on the thread "Favorite Dulcimer Accessories". Made a possum board once I used an old fabric bold cardboard core, but I prefer the wooden ones that my brother, Dave/Harpmaker made for me better.Using plastic bags, I've made disposable foot rests for festivals. They're light weight and and easy to carry. If it's an outdoor festival and they get wet or muddy, I just toss them.
Hi and Welcome. FOTMD and Everything Dulcimer are both great sites for information.You've had a lot of good suggestions as to where to go with YouTube already mentioned. I'll just add to the suggestion that you add Bing Futch in while searching YouTube . I don't think I've seen his name mentioned yet. Lisa (Strumelia) has some great info in her blogs as well as videos. Also Kendra Ward has some videos that would be good viewing. And there are just so many others.Again welcome to our world.
800!?!!
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DT, Does your mother-in-law ever make Tamales Dulce (Sweet Tamales) . I had a co-worker whose mom made the most mouth watering dessert type of Tamales at Christmas time. TO DIE FOR Dusty Turtle said:
No offense to my Scottish brethren, but gopher might be an improvement upon traditional goat haggis, though I should admit that I've never tasted the stuff.
A new family tradition for us is to make Honduran tamales every New Year. We all gather around the dining room table and begin assembling the tamales. My mother-in-law (yes, the one from Honduras) makes the masa, and we make our tamales with any combination of seasoned chicken, seasoned pork, carrots, potatoes, olives, onions, beans, even dates and peanuts. Although considered a heretic, I began making some vegetarian versions and some with crab meat, cheese, and green onions.And we wrap the tamales not in corn husks but in banana leaves, which are much easier to manipulate and allow for much larger tamales.Somehow I became the salsa maker, and I usually makes three or four types each year. The best versions, in my opinion, are the tomatillo salsa and the chipotle/corn salsa, in which the heat of the peppers is balanced by the sweetness of the corn. Still, my wife always prefers a standard fresh salsa with tomatoes, onions, and cilantro, the latter of which is a key ingrendient in all the salsas.The wonderful thing about this tamale tradition is that eating them is only half the fun. The other half is gathering everyone around the table while we assemble them, each one of us bragging that ours will be the best and finding subtle ways to add a signature to the way the tamale is wrapped so we can tell the difference. And tying the wrapped tamales up is the only stage that wee little hands can't do, so even the kids can make tamales that taste just as delicioso as the rest of 'em.All this writing has got me hungry. We may not wait for New Years. Maybe we'll do some tamale making this weekend in honor of our 800th member.D.T. Ken Hulme said:Yeah Mennonite tamales would be like the rest of their food - filling but bland! Actually in Alabama/Mississippi, the tamale was introduced over 70 years ago by migrant works and adopted into the local comfort food canon. Not quite Mexican, but very good.
DT - you've never had Santa Ynez Gopher & Goat Haggis???
800!?!!
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I mix a chocolate mole sauce into cooked and shredded chicken breast and rolling in flour tortillas. Then bake covered with enchilada sauce and a bit of cheese. My version of chicken enchiladas.
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That's an idea. Sort of a variation of a chicken poblano. I've had to give up on the stews and soups or any recipe with meat based borths, but this recipe: http://recipeland.com/recipe/v/Classic-Mole-Poblano-Sauce-45959 Sounds like it would be doable with a vegetable broth or a parve (meatless) chicken flavored stock. With all the spices to enhance the flavor I don't think the actual chicken stock flavor would be that noticeable. Ken Hulme said:
I sereve my leftover turkey with Mole Poblano, a fabulous mixture of 20-30 ingredients including several kinds of chiles and chocolate.
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Thinking in terms of leftovers in stew, I think turkey, cranberry sauce and stuffing make a nice grilled sandwich, but I wouldn't want to use them all in a stew. Ken Hulme said:
Whatchagot Stew can be a culinary masterpiece or an utter disaster
If you normally play in a chord or chord/melody style, getting used to the sound of the drones can be difficult perhaps. Since I've never played anything but drones, I'm quite used to them and find that songs such as Bonnie Dundee, Will Ye No Come Back Again?, Coulter's Candy, Flower of Scotland, The Minstrel Boy, Skye Boat Song and so on sound quite grand played in a Bagpipe tuning. The drones give the music the flavor or taste of the pipes where the drones are the same note only an octave apart and in tune with the chanter. So in olden days when the pipes weren't available (or forbidden), the dulcimer gave Celtic music and the Celtic ear the sound needed.I learned the Bagpipe tuning from an old book, so I'm in the key of C (1-8-8).
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You are far less likely to break a string going from DAd to CGG than going CGG to DAd. Lowering the note lessens the tension on the string. Your melody string may end up mushy though if you have a string gauge designed for DAd. To tune down from D to C and A to G is to simply go down one note. To go from d to G is to go down 5 notes.I wouldn't hesitate to tune DAA to CGG and back again, but I would worry about tuning CGG to DAd as my strings are meant for a CGG tuning. To go up to the d is too high as the increased tension would more likely to break a string. If it didn't the string would probably be to tightly wound as to be unplayable anyway. Dana Harlan said:
As a beginner: I'd like to ask, with only one dulcimer so far, Is there any reason not to tune DAD to learn one song then tune CGG to try to learn another. Is this behavior likely to break strings? I did get some spare strings.
Another thing to remember about the dulcimer in the olden days, which helps explain perhaps a bit about the change of key, is that the dulcimer as a solo instrument was frequently in an open tuning, not key specific. A person playing and singing to the dulcimer simply picked a tone that sounded and held well on the bass (not to tight or to mushy) and then tuned the other strings to that tone as in Ionian 1-5-5. It could have been a C or a C# or a sharped C# or any tone.When people began to play dulcimers together with other instruments then they had to be in a specific key, assuming whoever they were playing with wasn't tone deaf and could actually give them a true note to tune to. Using an open tuning for the dulcimer sort disappeared and as instruction books began to appear the key of C was frequently given to tune describe a note to tune to. Most of those books, that I've seen, will give directions on how to tune all of the most commonly used modes using the key of C as a base. A few gave directions for open tuning as well, but the idea simply of picking a "tone or note that sounds good to you" is sort of a vague way to teach the concept of tuning to people who perhaps have some musical background. Saying tune the bass string to the key of C is more concrete. One book I have gives the learner the choice between the C below Middle C and then Middle C on the middle and melody or using the Middle C for the bass and the octave C for the other strings. I guess that writer figured that the string gauges most dulcimer were strung with at the time would work either for one octave or other.Though the Cripple Creek Dulicmer by Bud and Donna Ford uses the key of G, it's a later publication than some of the ones I started with from the late 50's and early 60's. I don't know specifically when the change over to D came in to majority use. But Ken mentions the late 60's and early 70's which sounds right. Then the switch from DAA to DAd occurred.
Personally, I'm still in C, but I think it had to do with playing with other instruments in jams and such. And with the standardization of the 6+ fret on most new instruments, if someone tunes DAd they have two modal patterns (Mix and Ionian) available with one tuning.
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I don't know whose dulcimers you've been looking at, but I have a more diverse collection than you have described.13 dulcimers:Only 2 have heart shaped sound holes and one of those is a none standard heart shape.6 teardrops and 6 hourglass shaped, 1 box dulcimerOnly two intruments are designed for 3 string playing, the rest have 4 tuners even though one isn't used. Though I play only 3 strings, I usually buy an instrument capable of using 4 strings for resale purposes. Finding dulcimers designed for only 3 strings is not easy to do, you almost have to custom order them. So, of course, people who want to play with only 3 strings simply remove a melody string from a 4 string instrument.And, Ken, if you had the problems with your hands that I have with mine, you'd probably be playing on 3 strings too. I can't even hold a noter the way you do. And even when my hands were better, I preferred using 3 strings. Laziness has got nothing to do with it. Personally I can't understand your preference for 4 strings. :-)None of my instruments are tuned DAd, or even tuned DAA. I don't play in the key of D at all. I play Ionian and Aeolian modes predominantly in the key of C, A, B, G. But all in the lower register.All of my instruments have a 6+ fret and all but one have a 13+ fret. The only one with just the 6+ was one that wasn't built with any extra frets and I had just the 6+ added.Though I don't finger pick or flat pick I do know a number of players that use those techniques. And a number of players that use a noter. But as Ken said these are techniques for different hands.Modern Bowed Dulcimers aren't traditional mountain dulcimers, so whether they have diatonic or chromatic fret boards is purely up to the buyer. Bowing a dulcimer is an old tradition, but it was done on the standard dulcimer of the day.2 of my instruments are baritones.12 of my instruments have the same VSL. Many have the same depth and body size. The main difference is in the woods. The bodies are mostly cherry, walnut or mahogany, with aspen, WRC, redwood and wormy chestnut for tops. All the fret boards are the same width, except for one and the same depth except for 1.So Gerard, though your observations are mostly correct, you couldn't prove it by my collection of instruments.
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I like the look of your board, Robin. It looks like it would work quite well.I haven't made one for a specific instrument, as my board is adjustable to fit all sizes, which I have.Figured out that one board for 14 instruments was better than having 14 boards and trying to remember which one fit which instrument. At my age, I'd be all day just matching the critters up. hehehehehee Robin Clark said:
Hi D.T.
Here are some photos of the board. I simply cut it from a piece of ply. It really only took me an hour or so to build. I didn't put much time into it as I wasn't sure if it would work - but I've been using it every day for the last 9 months!
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Here's a picture of two of my possum boards. The backs of both are covered with a non slip rubber surface so they don't slide. The one with the extending leg allows me to change my leg positions easier as I have arthritis in my knees and sometimes just need to unbend them. The leg acts as a stabilizer when I stretch my legs out. I've never used a strap on a dulcimer, but I do know that people have added straps to possum boards to feel more secure.
Paul Certo said:
I'm new to the possum boards. What keeps them in your lap any better than the bare dulcimer? I have used a strap on everything I play, even my harmonica's are nearly always in a holder.
The zero fret is a manufacturing shortcut, for the most part. To adjust the string height at the nut takes longer, so some makers use a zero fret. I don't mean to imply that it is to be avoided. If the maker uses it, that's fine. What I meant to express was that it was no particular advantage for the player, and not worth adding as an option at extra cost. Frequently, manufacturers ship their instruments with high action, allowing the dealer to adjust it to the preferences of the buyer. I have seen a lot of guitars and other instruments on which the dealer didn't bother to adjust the string height at the nut, leaving the purchaser with an instrument that was hard to play. Some don't have personnel to make these adjustments, and tell you to take it somewhere at your expense.These dealers should be avoided. I shouldn't have said "maker" in my original post, as the problem mostly rests with dealers who don't build instruments. A lot of good dealers are out there, ready to adjust any instrument they sell. I hope I haven't created confusion. One of my dulcimers has a zero fret, but whether there is a sound difference from that, I couldn't possibly say. There are too many differences in my 2 dulcimers to narrow it down to any one factor.Paul
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D.T. One thing you might want to think about when it comes to a double back is substituting a possum board. You mentioned not playing flat in your lap, so I tried my possum board resting in a more up right angled position. It held my dulcimer securely, and did increase the sound in that position. Usually I play flat across my lap, but with it more at an upright angle it also gave me a place to rest my right arm. And a strap can be attached to the board rather than the dulcimer.The advantage I see in the possum board over a double back is that with one possum board all my dulcimers can have a freed up bottom for an increase in volume, or not if I don't want or need the extra sound. Just a thought.
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One thing you can do is make some phone calls to some of the builders here and on ED. Talk to them about what you are looking for by way of sound and see if they can build an instrument to your needs. Some builders, like McSpadden or other factory built instruments, don't modify their design as they are looking for a certain consistency of sound. Which is understandable as they do a large wholesale business as well as retail.Other builders will be more adaptable as to size, depth of body, woods, sound holes designs etc. Talk to them about your wants as a buyer. Let them play a few instruments from what they have in stock and see if you and the builder can come up with a mutual design. Dusty Turtle said:
Well, I am confused, folkfan, but that's not your fault!
It's apparent that there are a lot of variables involved, which makes me even more nervous about buying an instrument from someone whose work I've never played or heard.
D.T.
folkfan said:D.T. Remember when it comes to comparing the sounds of wood from a guitar to a dulcimer, there is a great deal more wood sounding on a guitar and the bracing is different as well. Your combination of woods can have both a bright and a mellow tone depending on the size of the instrument and where the bridge is place in relationship to the tail block. A longer VSL can have a tinny sound in the higher octaves if the construction of the instrument narrows the body out under those frets and you have a small strum hollow way out on the end of the instrument. Or you can have a shorter VSL that doesn't sound tinny as the body of the instrument is wide and deep well beyond the end of the VSL. But if the luthier has correctly placed the frets you shouldn't have a drastic sharping or flatting of notes in the higher octave. Even the same VSL can sound different based on the shape of the instrument. Is that clear, or have I just confused you????.
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D.T. Remember when it comes to comparing the sounds of wood from a guitar to a dulcimer, there is a great deal more wood sounding on a guitar and the bracing is different as well. Your combination of woods can have both a bright and a mellow tone depending on the size of the instrument and where the bridge is place in relationship to the tail block. A longer VSL can have a tinny sound in the higher octaves if the construction of the instrument narrows the body out under those frets and you have a small strum hollow way out on the end of the instrument. Or you can have a shorter VSL that doesn't sound tinny as the body of the instrument is wide and deep well beyond the end of the VSL. But if the luthier has correctly placed the frets you shouldn't have a drastic sharping or flatting of notes in the higher octave. Even the same VSL can sound different based on the shape of the instrument. Is that clear, or have I just confused you????.
purpose of design features on a MD
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A double back will increase volume and might with the way you play increase it even more as both backs aren't as muffled as the bottom back is when lying across the lap.Many makers allow the top to move more freely by decreasing the fretboard internally. They rout it out. Others will scallop. I like the full length fretboard for the bracing of the top along the complete length of the fretboard. Personal preference.I've never had a dulcimer with a binding so I can't tell you anything about them.Personally I like a semi gloss finish in a lacquer. The really heavy glossy coating on an instrument as small bodied as a normal dulcimer would deaden the sound, (IMO)For my hand size I prefer a VSL just under 26inches, I had one once with a 30 inch and never could play it. I tried to learn chording on a longer VSL, but had an increased problem with my hands due to the stretch and strain, so gave up chording entirely.I'd say go with the 1+ and 8+ if you think you'll use them.
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DT, I didn't find a cookbook exactly, but when I googled Honduran food recipes I came up with several thousand hits. How about browsing some of the different sites which frequently give you the option to do a special Print copy. You could come up with foods from Appetizers to Desserts and copy them off, add family pictures, and make up a notebook cookbook. Your mother in law could be encouraged to write down her own recipes and you could add pictures of her working them up. It would then truly be a family heirloom. Plus you could put all the recipes into those plastic notebook cover sheets and make it a wipe off the splatters cookbook. Dusty Turtle said:
Speaking of cookbooks, has anyone come across a Honduran cookbook? Perhaps even a Central American cookbook?
Several years ago I bought my wife an expensive and beautifully produced cookbook entitled The Taste of Colombia . She was really excited, as was her Colombian father. But her Honduran mother then replied, "Well now you should find her a Honduran cookbook, too." As silly as it seems, she really felt that her side of the family was being ignored.
But I have been unsuccessful at placating my mother-in-law by fulfilling her request. A Honduran cookbook? I am afraid there is no such beast.
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I'd have to leave off the shrimp too. But it does look like a delicious sandwich. Ken Hulme said:
Chourio or Chouriso is the Portuguese/Spanish spelling. It's a relatively 'hard' sausage. You can also use Andouille, the wonderful tangy Cajun sausage, or Linguisa.
Chorizo is the Mexican sausage, which is very loose and used more as a flavorant than a bite of protein. Start cooking slices of chorizo and it melts apart.
FF - you can make this with fried ring bologna and it would be pretty good too!
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Seems to be a bit of a difference between the Spanish sausage and the Portuguese version of these sausages.From Wikipedia:Spanish ChorizoSpanish chorizo is made from coarsely chopped pork and pork fat, seasoned with smoked pimentn (paprika) and salt. It is generally classed as either picante (spicy) or dulce (sweet), depending upon the type of smoked paprika used. There are hundreds of regional varieties of Spanish chorizo, both smoked and unsmoked, which may contain garlic, herbs and other ingredients.[2][3] Chorizo comes in short, long, hard and soft varieties, some of which are suited to being eaten as an appetizer or tapas, whereas others are better suited to cooking. Leaner varieties are typically better suited to tapas, eaten at room temperature, whereas fattier versions are generally used for cooking.[4] A general rule of thumb is that long, thin chorizos are sweeter and short chorizos are spicy, although this is not always the case.[5]Portuguese chourioPortuguese chourio is made with pork, fat, wine, paprika and salt. It is then stuffed into natural or artificial casings and slowly dried over smoke. There are many different varieties, changing in color, shape, seasoning and taste. Many dishes of Portuguese cuisine and Brazilian cuisine make use of chourio - Cozido portuguesa and Feijoada are just two of them.[citation needed]A popular way to prepare chourio is partially sliced and flame cooked over alcohol at the table. Special glazed earthenware dishes with a lattice top are used for this purpose.In Portugal there is also a blood chourio (chourio de sangue) very similar to the Black Pudding, amongst many other types of Enchidos, such as Alheira, Linguia, Morcela, Farinheira, Chourio de Vinho, Chourio de ossos, Cacholeira, Paia, Paio, Paiola, Paiote, Salpico and Tripa enfarinhada. B. Ross Ashley said:
Are those chorizos? Might be the same sausage, but I would like to make sure. (Should there be a cedilla under the c, as in chourio, I'd be more sure.)
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I've seen it done with the sliced mushrooms and some green onion, but not enough onion to hide the flavor of the Marsala. The bits of ham wouldn't be bad. Ken Hulme said:
Oops. My bad. Yes Porcini, if you can find them, or Crimini mushrooms, not proscuitto ham! I have seen Chicken Marsala with bits of proscuitto added for flavor...
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Ken, did you mean porcini mushrooms rather than prosciutto ham?I like the idea of the cornstarch for thickening the sauce. It seems a shame to have a good sauce stay on the plate rather than stick to the fettucini that Chicken Marsala is frequently served with. The sauce last night separated and the butter floated about 1/4 thick over the entire plate. UGH
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Anyone have a good Chicken Marsala recipe that isn't heavy on the butter. Last night at a restaurant I ordered it with the request that the chef not use a lemon butter sauce as the base for the Chicken Marsala. The waitress said that he tended to be heavy handed with the lemon, and I've never had a Chicken Marsala that used lemon. Well he what did was make Grilled Lemon Chicken Breasts (Greek style HEAVY on the herb and over done on the fresh cracked pepper) rather than browning the chicken and braising it in the sauce.There was so much pepper that my mouth actually reacted with burning lips and corners and you could taste the sourness of the lemons. The plate was afloat with butter in a very thin sloppy sauce. And I kept wondering if the chef had used the Marsala wine at all. The strong herbs, lemon, and pepper on the grilled chicken absolutely overpowered the Marsala if he did use it. Probably the worst version of Chicken Marsala I've ever eaten. So does anyone have a less pungent version of this dish????
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On the Tavuk Izgara, Ken. Do you think I might be able to substitute chicken breasts and bake them in the yogurt marinade? I don't have a broiler, though I've been thinking about getting a large toaster oven. I only cook for two and heating the big oven for one item is something I just hate to do. It's so big and usually the pan I put in it is so small. ;-)I've never fixed Talapia, but the recipe you posted sounds great. Red pepper flakes without the seeds shouldn't be as hot, I'll have to see about getting some.And Pico de Gallo is something both Larry and I love.I mentioned getting a carton of plain yogurt draining so I could make Tzatziki . He thought it was a great idea and immediately was wanting to go get Pita bread for dipping. We'd make a meal just on that and sliced tomatoes. Of course, American yogurt isn't as good as Greek for the dish, but I'll drain it over night through a clean cotton cloth and it will thicken up some. Ken Hulme said:
Tavuk Izgara -- Turkish Chicken Thighs
2 Tablespoons Cumin seeds
1 Onion, coarsely chopped
4 to 6 cloves Garlic, finely minced
1 Tablespoon Paprika
1 Lemon, juiced
1 cup plain Yogurt
12 boneless Chicken Thighs
Salt and freshly ground Black Pepper to taste
Lemon wedges for serving
Toast cumin seeds in a small pan over medium heat until the seeds are fragrant and start to pop. Remove from heat and grind in a spice or coffee grinder (or mortar & pestle).
Put cumin, onion, garlic, paprika, and lemon juice in a blender and pulse to liquify. Add the yogurt and pulse just until blended.
Put the thighs in a shallow non-aluminum baking dish or bowl. Pour the marinade over the chicken and toss well to coat. Let stand at room temperature at least 2 hours or cover and refrigerate overnight.
Preheat the broiler to its hottest setting. Place thighs on a wire rack inside a baking sheet; dust with salt and pepper. Broil or grill until the juices run clear, about 6 minutes per side, brushing with marinade. Serve hot with lemon wedges, couscous and brined eggplant and tomato kebabs.
Tilapia Cubano
Tilapia prepared Cuban style - with green olives, skillet poached in a white wine sauce.
4 large (4-6 oz) fillets Tilapia (or any white fish)
2 tablespoons Extra Virgin Olive Oil for frying (use water if concerned about fats)
1 Onion, thinly sliced
2-3 cloves Garlic, minced
4 fresh Garden Tomatoes, diced; or 1 can of Diced Tomatoes
1 cup White Wine (never cook with a wine you wouldn't drink)
1/2 cup pimento-stuffed Green Olives, chopped
3 tablespoons Capers, plus 1 tablespoon caper liquid
1/4 teaspoon Red Pepper Flakes
1 bunch Cilantro, chopped, to taste
Salt & pepper the tilapia to taste. In a large covered skillet, saute the onion & garlic for 2 minutes, to bring out the aromatics. Add the tomatoes, wine, olives, capers, and red pepper flakes. Simmer for 10-15 minutes to marry the flavors. Place the fish in the sauce. Cover, and simmer on medium low for 10-12 minutes until the fish flakes easily. Remove fish. Bring poaching liquid to a quick boil. Add cilantro to taste. If desired, add cornstarch slurry to thicken.
The side dish below is a quick Pico de Gallo of tomato, onion, cilantro and lime juice with a dusting of chile powder.
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Totally into poaching chicken breasts with a little spice to add flavor. I haven't tried poaching fish.Tomorrow night we're having Lake Perch which I normally do in a pan fried manner, but using a non-stick pan and a minimum spray of olive oil. Usually I dredge the fish in a seasoned flour mix after dipping it into a water and egg white bath. Salmon I grill on a George Forman grill with a sprinkle of dill and a very light spray of oil. Fresh dill if I can get it, otherwise dried. If I can't get fresh salmon, then I do Salmon Cakes or loaf using canned salmon.And you're right about no-fat, no purines being a water diet, which would really make me lose weight quickly. Only if I lose weight too quickly, I get a gout attack from the breaking up of my own fat cells. An example of that is that for quick weight loss the Atkins diet works really well for me. However it is too painful as within less than a month on it the gout strikes.Oh, do you have any good yogurt recipes. Fat Free yogurt with fruit in it is usually a daily part of my diet, but I'd love to vary it. I need to make Tzatziki, thinking about it.
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They all sound good and the fresh mushrooms would have fewer purines than dried, so I think I could probably handle them. I've added oatmeal to my diet and that has one of the highest levels of purines for the grain products, so until I'm certain that oatmeal once a day isn't going to set things off with a cumulative effect, I'm being extra careful. And my hubby loves eggplant, so that is also good.According to the American Medical Association, purine-containing foods include:* Beer, other alcoholic beverages.* Anchovies, sardines in oil, fish roes, herring, all shellfish and shrimp etc.* Yeast.* Organ meat (liver, kidneys, sweetbreads)* Legumes (dried beans, peas)* Meat extracts, consomme, gravies. Meat based soups* Mushrooms, spinach, asparagus, cauliflower.And this is just the start. I gave myself gout one week with split pea soup, mushrooms, asparagus, and spinach. (OUCH) This was before I started on a very strict low purine diet. I'd stayed away from organ meats (Yuck) and shrimp (Yum) per my doctor's advice. I didn't know about all the other foods that had higher level of purines in them. I very quickly learned. Legumes are a favorite food group which I've now learned to handle very carefully. Ken Hulme said:
So here are some low-purine, low-fat recipes for Folkfan. None of these are "spicy" as in hot, but they do contain spices for flavor. When you can't eat a lot of things, you can help satisfy your tastebuds by using greater quantities of spices and herbs to flavor the things you can eat.
Mushroom Barley Bake
8 ounces fresh sliced mushrooms
1 cup chopped onion
1 cup medium barley
1/2 teaspoon salt (to taste or need)
1/8 teaspoon pepper
4 cups vegetable stock (see below)
Preparation:
In a large skillet over medium-low heat saut mushrooms and chopped onion until lightly browned. Add barley and brown lightly, stirring. Add salt and pepper; turn into a buttered 3-quart casserole.
Pour vegetable broth into the skillet and cook until hot. Pour over the barley mixture and mix well. Cover and bake in a preheated 350 oven for 1-1/2 hours, or until barley is tender. Check the barley occasionally and add more broth or water if needed.
Low Purine Vegetable Stock
All the veggies below are listed as "low in purines".
4 quarts water
1/4 of a Red Cabbage, shredded small
4-6 fresh Tomatoes, diced
1 bunch of Celery Tops (save the stalks for something else), minced
1 Teaspoon Marjoram
1 Teaspoon Thyme
1 Teaspoon Oregano
1 Teaspoon Rosemary,chopped fine
1 Teaspoon Cumin
1/2 Teaspoon White Pepper
Simmer on low for 1-2 hours until the liquid is reduced by a third to a half and is flavorful. Strain. Use.
Rotkraut - Braised Red Cabbage
2 Tbsp Oil for sauting (or use water)
1 Onion, chopped fine
1 head Red Cabbage, cored and shredded
2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar
1 to 1-1/2 cups Vegetable Stock or Water
1 Tbsp Sugar
3 Whole cloves
2 Bay leaves
Salt and Pepper -- to taste
Over medium heat in a large pot saut the onions until translucent. Add the cabbage in batches, stirring each addition until it wilts and begins to cook down. Stir in the vinegar and then add the remaining ingredients. Reduce heat to low, cover and simmer for 20-30minutes until the cabbage is tender. Adjust seasoning and serve.
Greek Style Eggplant Boats
Cut eggplants in half lengthwise; hollow into "boats". Rub skin with oil (you arent going to eat the skins), bake 30 mins @ 350F.
Meanwhile, brown about half a pound of ground lamb (or use diced tofu), add onion, bell pepper, garlic, tomato, fresh sage, 1/2 oz feta cheese (just this once, for flavor), bread crumbs and eggplant guts. Simmer until thick. Stuff eggplant boats, top with breadcrumbs. Bake again @ 350 30-45 min.
Imam Biyaldi
Classic Middle Eastern Stew can be vegetarian or meated.
1 Eggplant, cubed
2 large Onions, sliced
6-8 Roma Tomatoes, chopped
1 teaspoon Cinnamon
1 Teaspoon All Spice
1 Teaspoon Cloves
Carnivores and others who can eat meats can add 1 lb of ground lamb.
Brown and drain the meat if you're using it. Combine everything in a pot with a cup or so of water and simmer into a thick stew. Serve with unleavened bread for scooping.
Moroccan Lemon Chicken
2 Chicken Breasts, boneless, skinless
1/3 cup Kalamata or other Green Olives, pitted
1/2 teaspon Oregano
1 Lemon, sliced
1 cup, uncooked Israeli Couscous (large pearl, not the small grain kind)
2 cups water.
Brining the chicken in a handful of Kosher salt and a gallon of water for 1 hour before cooking will make the meat much more moist, but not particularly salty. Rinse and pat dry. Sear the chicken on both sides. Reduce heat, add the other ingredients, and simmer for 30-45 minutes until the chicken is tender and the couscous is cooked. If you're not on a low purine diet, you can substitute a couple cans of garbanzos for the couscous.
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Ken, I forgot to mention that another item I throw into my Mac N' Cheese is half a bag or more of chopped broccoli. I'm fixing it for tonight. Since I have a bit of roast chicken left over, I'm going to chop it up and throw it in too. A one dish meal. (I really have learned to hate cooking. Especially if I have to chop up a lot of stuff.)
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Ken, While I admit to drooling over your recipe for Mac n' Cheese, leaving out the fresh cracked black pepper is not the only thing I'd have to leave out. My triglyceride levels are too high so I'm under doctor's instructions to lower my fat consumption. Also it will help in lowering my calorie intake as I've got to lose weight for the arthritis in my legs. So here's my Mac n' Cheese recipe.Use 2 boxes of a good mac and cheese mix and prepared as per box instructions only don't add the margarine or butter (a small amount of an olive oil based spread might be used), use skim milk, add a few slices of fat-free cheese. I don't add salt to the dish as I use a bit of kosher salt in the water when boiling the macaroni. Which I rinse and drain.I'd much prefer your recipe, but my doctor wouldn't. Got any good tasting low to no fat, not spicy, and low in purine recipes, Ken????? I'm getting kind of desperate as there are just so many things I'm suppose to stay away from. DANG
Ken, You might want to try County Roscommon style (as my video instructor called it). It doesn't use a tipper, but the knuckles of the hand. You can get the triplets by the way you flick your hand.I had problems with jig beats until I learned to chant PINE-ap-ple, AP-ri-cots. Hit harder for the PINE and the AP .Worked wonders or maybe it was just thinking about two of my favorite fruits that did it . Ken Hulme said:Doumbek drum, Scottish Pipe Band Bass drum, assorted hand drums (just can't get the hang of that backwards stroke style of the Bodhran)Psalmodikon