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Dusty Turtle
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04/16/10 11:12:48PM
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purpose of design features on a MD


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Thanks, Folkfan. I don't think my fingers could hand a 30" VSL either. My current dulcimer has a VSL of 27" and there are some times when chording is a bit of a stretch. But on the other hand, when I move really high up the fretboard the instrument just sounds tinny. That might simply be due to mediocre craftsmanship, but I wonder if a longer VSL would help the strings ring out better when I finger them way up high like that.I'm undecided about the double back and scalloped fretboard. The idea of more volume is enticing, but there is something about the very simply design of dulcimers without those features that I find alluring. A simple folk instrument should be comfortable in a pair of blue jeans, not decked out in a tux.Thanks for your thoughts. Perhaps in a few months when I do get my new dulcimer I'll post an update so you can all know where I ended up.Thanks.D.T. folkfan said:
A double back will increase volume and might with the way you play increase it even more as both backs aren't as muffled as the bottom back is when lying across the lap.

Many makers allow the top to move more freely by decreasing the fretboard internally. They rout it out. Others will scallop. I like the full length fretboard for the bracing of the top along the complete length of the fretboard. Personal preference.

I've never had a dulcimer with a binding so I can't tell you anything about them.

Personally I like a semi gloss finish in a lacquer. The really heavy glossy coating on an instrument as small bodied as a normal dulcimer would deaden the sound, (IMO)

For my hand size I prefer a VSL just under 26inches, I had one once with a 30 inch and never could play it. I tried to learn chording on a longer VSL, but had an increased problem with my hands due to the stretch and strain, so gave up chording entirely.

I'd say go with the 1+ and 8+ if you think you'll use them.
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04/16/10 11:00:18PM
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purpose of design features on a MD


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Thanks, Paul, for taking so much time to respond to my post. I don't really have the ability to play a lot of instruments, which is a big part of my dilemma. The music stores in town don't carry dulcimers, and the one "festival" in the neighborhood (Redwood Dulcimer Day, about a 3-hour drive) isn't big enough to attract vendors. Except for the one day of that festival last summer, I've never heard a dulcimer played live other than my own. My 12-string guitar, which has a cedar top, has a more mellow sound than most guitars with a spruce top, so I think I know what people mean when they say one wood has a "brighter" tone than another, but honestly I'm not really sure. I wish I had the opportunity to play a dozen or more different dulcimers just to compare sounds, but I don't have that luxury.Anyway, thanks again for the information. You did clear up a number of questions I had.D.T. Paul Certo said:
The double back allows the back to vibrate more freely and allows a bit more volume. The scallopped fretboard would help in the same way by letting the top vibrate more. The scallops also allow you to use a guitar capo, if they are located under the area where you would capo each fret. So the scallops would have the same spacing pattern as the frets, at least up to the 7th fret. I'm not sure if anyone would capo above that point, but it's an option. There are a few other things builders do to increase volume, such as only allowing part of the fretboard to contact the top. Usually, the area towards the tuners is anchored to the top, and the other end of the fretboard is cut away to let the top vibrate free.
The zero fret is just in front of the nut. It allows the strings to be as close to the neck at the 1st fret as it would be to other frets when you press the string down to the frets. A skilled maker can adjust the nut height so the zero fret is unnecessary, but some makers use them. I have one guitar & one dulcimer with zero frets, and others without. I wouldn't order one on purpose, if your chosen maker doesn't normally use one. It does nothing to justify the expense, unless the maker doesn't want to take the time to adjust the string height at the nut. If a builder told me he wasn't willing to make his instruments play well, I'd find another maker. On the other hand, my dulcimers were both kits. The maker of a kit has no control over the abilities, or lack of abillities, his kit will recieve. I can completely understand the use of a zero fret in a kit. It's much simpler for a hack like me to get good action without ruining 2 or 3 nuts on the way. It also makes it possible to build a kit with less nut slotting tools. Again, the home hobbyist/builder is in mind here.
Binding is mostly decorative. It does seal the end grain of the wood, but I'm not sure how much need there is for it. Mine don't have it, I suspect most kit models don't.
A thick heavy finish will deaden the sound of an instrument. But a proper, thin finish can shine, it depends on the product used.
A short VSL will bring the frets closer together. If you have small hands, this makes it easier to play, if you use chords, or find yourself stretching to get your thumb on a fret far above your fingers. Playing noter style you might never see a problem either way. With a longer vsl, you have to tighten the strings to a higher tension to reach the same pitches. This extra tension makes the strings a bit harder to press to the frets, but with the action adjusted correctly, this shouldn't be a problem/ That goes back to the nut adjustment in the 1st question, plus the bridge height.
Softer woods such as spruce and cedar are pretty much the standard for most string instrument tops, with hard woods the standard for back & sides. The best thing to do is play as many dulcimers as you can to hear how the different choices affect the sound. Maple is a brighter sounding wood than walnut, mahogany or rosewood. It really comes down to what you want your new toy to sound like. Try as many as you can, and see what you like in woods, sounds and VSL's. Take your time, there's lots of choices. You wouldn't want to miss any!
Paul
Dusty Turtle
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04/16/10 05:46:50PM
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purpose of design features on a MD


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Howdy folks. The one-year anniversary of the purchase of my first and only dulcimer is fast approaching, and since it appears the dulcimer is going to "stick" with me, I am already considering a second dulcimer. There are so many decent builders out there it is intimidating, but there are also a variety of design features the purpose of which is not clear to me. Please help.

a double back : My understanding is that the false or double back just lifts the "real" back off your lap so that it can vibrate better and provide more volume. Is that correct? I play with a strap around my lower back and the dulcimer tilted up slightly, not vertical like a guitar, but not fully horizontal either. So when I play the bottom is raised partly anyway. With that physical approach, would a double back accomplish anything?

a scalloped fretboard : I may be using this term incorrectly. On a guitar, a scalloped fretboard is one in which the fretboard in between each fret is scooped out so that you finger the string but don't actually press it against the wood. But I think the term is used with dulcimers to refer to a style of attaching the fretboard to the soundboard not continuously, but at regular intervals like a series of arch bridges, so that the fretboard sits above the soundboard, as in this Nicolas Hambas Concert Grand: http://www.hambasdulcimers.com/MOUNTAIN.html . What is the purpose of that feature? Does it allow more vibration of the soundboard? Does it allow sound to come out from under the fretboard? I think I saw one dulcimer that had no visible soundholes, for the holes were "hidden" underneath the scalopped fretboard. What exactly is the purpose of a scalopped fretboard?

a zero fret : I may not have sufficient understanding of physics, or maybe myears just aren'tthat discriminating, but what exactly is the purpose of the zero fret? I think I read somewhere that a zero fret allows more precise intonation than using the nut. I don't understand why that would be the case, but is that correct?

binding : most guitars have some kind of binding along the edges of the instrument, but few dulcimers do. Is this merely cosmetic? I can't think of any potential effect on the sound, but a couple of luthiers offer binding as an option.

finish : some luthiers use a lot of lacquer and create a really shiny finish. My current dulcimer was not treated in such a way. As a result, it probably gets dirtier faster, but I would think that lacquer would restrict the vibration of the wood, so you would get a clearer and maybe louder sound if the dulcimer did not have a lacquer finish. Am I on the right track?

VSL : I've heard people with small hands request shorter VSL. But what are the advantages of a longer VSL? Does a longer VSL increase the playability (is that a word?) higher up the fretboard?

Finally, this is where I think I am headed with my next dulcimer. Please scream and yell if my choices seem ridiculous. I expect to get a dulcimer with a softwood top (western red cedar or sitka spruce) and a hardwood everything else (perhaps quilted maple because I like the look). It will be a six-string with the octave on the bass string. I am hoping to get a fuller sound out of my dulcimer and think the double strings will help. And I expect to add the 1+ and 8+ frets. I can see no reason save for tradition's sake not to add those extra frets. I play chord/melody style so I don't have to worry about sliding my noter over those extra frets.

I understand we all have personal tastes, but I just want to make sure I am not going to order some kind of disaster instrument that I'll never play. And there are other variables (tuners, for example) that I haven't mentioned. If you think of any other important variables I should be considering, let me know.

Much thanks in advance.

D.T.


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Dusty Turtle
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07/06/10 01:29:11PM
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I had never thought of sticking whole cloves into a salmon steak before, though I've done that with pork. Years ago I used to make a dill-infused butter specifically for seafood. It's been a while; maybe I should try that again.The Honduran tamales are steamed. They are much larger than Mexican tamales (but not as large as your Oaxacan tamales) and my mother-in-law also puts in what I consider odd ingredients, such as dates, raisins, olives, carrots and potatoes along with the chicken or pork. The last time we made a batch I made a few with crabmeat and corn, which tasted great with a green tomatillo sauce. The corn kernels added a nice contrast to the texture of crabmeat and masa. The hardest part about the tamales is actually wrapping them up in a uniform manner. They seem to taste great with almost anything you put inside.Your two-foot long zacahuile would be quite a sight! I'll have to tell my mother-in-law about those.I'm waiting for the Honduran cookbook to arrive. I'll write up a mini-review when it does. Ken Hulme said:
Awwww, man! I love wild sockeye! Orange sesame oil sounds about right; although I like both sticking a steak with whole cloves before grilling; or dusting with dill as well.

Are Honduran tamales steamed, or baked? Since we have banana leaves everywhere here, I make the Oaxacan style giant baked tamales (6" diameter x 2+ ft long) called zacahuile.
Dusty Turtle
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07/03/10 12:00:10AM
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Thanks, for your efforts, Folkfan.I had indeed spent a lot of time searching the web and never found a Honduran cookbook, though you might have noticed that Ken H did indeed find me one. I like your idea of making one of my own. The fact is that my mother-in-law isn't quite as coherent as she once was, so she can't really follow a recipe. Finding a Honduran cookbook was really just a way to show her that we value her background.I've ordered the bilingual cookbook Ken H found and hopefully we'll have some nice family moments recreating some of those recipes. I think I mentioned elsewhere that around the holidays we all make Honduran tamales together (they are larger than Mexican tamales and wrapped in banana leaves instead of corn husks). Maybe we'll be able to add some other Honduran recipes to that festivity.With my wife's mother from Honduras, her father from Colombia but of Lebanese descent, my mother of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage, and my father of Scots Presbyterian/French Huguenot stock, we can spend all our time trying to honor the various ethnicities, cultures, and religions that represent our ancestry and never really satisfy everyone. Maybe we'll just develop some kind of family gumbo that has a little of everything.

Dusty Turtle
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07/02/10 10:14:09PM
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Given the continuous pouring of oil into the Gulf, you might want to come this way just to get some fresh seafood.I just bought several pounds of wild sockeye salmon that was caught up north of here. The flesh of the fish is unbelievably dark red. My plan tomorrow is to drizzle some with an orange sesame sauce, wrap it in foil, and grill it. Add some wild rice, a jicama/cucumber salad with fresh dill, and a chilled bottle of white, and we'll enjoy a nice summertime meal! On the 4th, I'll probably grill some to serve with a mango salsa. I'll save you some leftovers, Ken. Ken Hulme said:
If I ever get out to the"other" West Coast, I'll take you up on that!
Dusty Turtle
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07/02/10 02:39:41PM
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Wow, Ken, I can't thank you enough. I've searched online and never found that book (or any other Honduran cookbook). That one seems like it is truly an informative resource. I'm about to order a copy.I don't know how to thank you other than cooking you some Honduran food should you ever make it out to northern California.Thanks so much. Ken Hulme said:
Ah, but the beast just lieth in hiding! I discovered that there was the definitive Honduran cookbook written in 1997 and a second edition produced in 2002. It is 312 pages of bi-lingual, Honduran Spanish and English recipes, food history and more.
Dusty Turtle
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07/02/10 11:17:41AM
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Speaking of cookbooks, has anyone come across a Honduran cookbook? Perhaps even a Central American cookbook?Several years ago I bought my wife an expensive and beautifully produced cookbook entitled The Taste of Colombia. She was really excited, as was her Colombian father. But her Honduran mother then replied, "Well now you should find her a Honduran cookbook, too." As silly as it seems, she really felt that her side of the family was being ignored.But I have been unsuccessful at placating my mother-in-law by fulfilling her request. A Honduran cookbook? I am afraid there is no such beast.
Dusty Turtle
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07/02/10 11:04:21AM
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Ken, I agree Lisa has a knack. In particular, her photos of her garden and fresh veggies are just beautiful. Perhaps you could collaborate on something like From the Garden to the Table where each recipe would highlight a particular garden crop, with a photo of the veggie fresh picked and then another photo of a dish fully plated.I watched you on the Food Network competition and was really impressed. I haven't made them yet, but I downloaded the recipes for the Spice Islands Salad and Shrimp & Pork meatballs, which I keep in a file entitled "Uncontrite Modal Recipes." Ken Hulme said:
Thanks DT;

I was actually moderately serious. Lisa takes beautiful food photos, and a collaboration could produce a really great project whether aimed at the dulcimer community or the world at large.

I have written and self-published a couple of cookbooks in the past. Those were without photos although I did have illustrations in one of them. No matter how good the recipes are, what really sells a cookbook today are the photos. But that is also the mega-expensive part of publishing a book - quality color photo reproduction. Self-publishing on-line; where the purchaser gets a .pdf or similar file would be the simplest, least expensive option. Electronic books are becoming all the rage.
Dusty Turtle
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07/02/10 01:02:58AM
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Ken, I don't know how serious you were being with this comment, but I would strongly urge you to put a cookbook together. You obviously have a lot of recipes for a variety of different foods. You are already spending the time to write them out and describe them. And you have all sorts of tidbits about local history and culture to add to the recipes. And you have a knack not only for how to prepare the food, but how to present it as well. And the best news for marketing purposes is that you already have a small audience of dulcimer players who would buy a copy immediately.In short, the book is half-completed, you obviously enjoy the process, and there are many a hungry dulcimer players out there. Ken Hulme said:
Lisa - you and I need to collaborate on a cookbook. My recipes and your photos. Maybe a dulcimer-focused cookbook. I'm a trained photographer, but you have "the eye" for food photography!!

We could self-publish online with a paid download for the whole illustrated book.
Dusty Turtle
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04/05/10 04:58:59PM
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Hi Hunter and others,I still consider myself mainly a guitarist, having only discovered the dulcimer under a year ago. I play 6- and 12-string acoutic guitar but also some mandolin along with the autoharp and now the dulcimer. I also bought my daughter a ukulele and play a couple of songs on that as well.My passion right now is for the dulcimer, but if I go to a jam, I have to have a guitar with me, since I am so much more proficient on that than anything else.
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04/06/10 11:02:19PM
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If y'all want to have a stinky cheese competition, I'll be happy to be the judge. I just hope you won't mind if I accompany the cheese with a nice dessert wine and some fresh fruit. Yummo!D.T. Paul Rappell said:
Not to get competitive with stinky cheese, but I could bring some Oka cheese, made by the monks at Oka near Montreal, which just might empty the room! On second thought, maybe we can put it in its own room.

Paul

John Henry said:
I will bring a whole 'Stinking Bishop' cheese from Gloucestershire.
JohnH
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04/05/10 02:58:31PM
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OK, I see I am going to be the one to corrupt this festive gathering with some potent libations.We have a Meyer lemon tree in our yard, and for those who don't know the Meyer, it is a sweeter, less acidic lemon often used by bakers for lemon tarts and the like. Some believe it was a cross between a lemon and a mandarin orange, and it almost has a tangerine tinge to the flavor. If you let the lemons age a bit on the tree to the point that you think they are beginning to rot, the sweetness intensifies even more.Last night, my wife, brother-in-law, and I enjoyed the most delicious cocktail. (You can obviously alter the volumes below so long as the ratios stay the same.) My wife calls this drink a lemon drop, but I've heard that name used for other drinks. I prefer not to name this one and just to think of it as a hard Meyer lemonade.2 ounces fresh squeezed Meyer lemon juice2 ounces vodka1 ounce simple syrupPour those ingredients into a cocktail shaker filled with ice. Shake well. Strain into a martini glass rimmed with sugar and garnish with a lemon slice.Tastes so good and feels even better!I wish I could mix one up for Strumelia for beginning this gathering and then go on to offer each of you one as well.Cheers,D.T.
Dusty Turtle
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02/19/10 06:00:53PM
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Ten Commandments of Jamming


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Although I haven't really joined jams since taking on the dulcimer, I used to frequent a couple on the guitar and mandolin.Without trying to mimic the language of the King James Bible, let me offer my own version of the jam circle golden rule: before playing a lick, sit back, watch, and listen. Once you understand the rules of the jam, you will know how to join it. Fitting in is always better than standing out.Other than that, keep pickin' and strummin' and smilin' . . .

Dusty Turtle
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10/29/10 11:37:01PM
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dogs & songs


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Back in the 20s, Cliff Edwards, known as "Ukulele Ike," sang a song called "My Dog Loves Your Dog."Some of the lyrics go:Look how she pets himAnd look how she lets himPlay around the wayI'd like to play with youChows and Pekinese who have pedigreesAre crazy over my houndBut your little mutt simply got him nutsAnd he gladly gave her his last piece of liver 'causeMy dog loves your dogYour dog loves my dogIf our doggies love each otherWhy can't we?
Dusty Turtle
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05/05/10 11:16:55PM
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dogs & songs


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That's it! I must have Doc's version on vinyl somewhere, because I couldn't find in in my CD/iTunes collection. Not knowing the name of that song was driving me crazy. Now I can sleep tonight.D.T. Flint Hill said:
Good one!

I believe that forlorn doggie was last seen in the song Life Gets Teejus, Don't It ?

Cal Tinney did a popular version in the late 1940s and Doc Watson did a live recording in the early 1970s.
Dusty Turtle
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05/05/10 12:39:21PM
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dogs & songs


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

"Hound dog howlin', he's so forlorn,The laziest dog that ever was born.He's a howlin' so 'cause he's a sitting on a thornAnd he's just too tired to roll over."That comes from some Doc Watson tune whose name I can't remember.And I heard years ago that the Beatles song "Martha My Dear" was about Paul's English sheepdog.Fun stuff.D.T.
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03/17/14 12:20:11PM
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Well I was not online yesterday and missed all the fun. I hope there's some Pavlova left over!

Dusty Turtle
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03/14/14 03:40:31PM
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Sorry, it's "green eggs and ham" not "green eggs and spam." Dr. Seuss would never advocate canned meat.

Robin Thompson said:

Patty, you can always have diced Sp*m in an omelette-- lots of eggs with little of the canned meat product. :) I'd eat it to get one of John's VA style dulcimers!


Dusty Turtle
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03/14/14 12:19:29PM
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John, we must have been posting at the exact same time! You need not join again. You are a super member and already count as 4 or 5 regular members.

Dusty Turtle
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03/14/14 12:14:28PM
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We are now six new members away from 5000! Who woudda thunk it? Perhaps we'll hit our milestone on St. Patrick's Day. Look! There's a leprechaun practicing the jig he's going to dance to welcome our 500th member!


Dusty Turtle
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03/09/14 03:47:00AM
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Wow, dulcimer players must be reproducing like rabbits!

And I think it's appropriate to resurrect this old thread about getting 500 members in which Rod figured so prominently as we reconfigure things for a membership 10 times that level!

Many thanks to Lisa for her vision and continued leadership here and to all the members who share their knowledge and joy of music in such a friendly manner. As I approach the fifth anniversary of the purchase of my first dulcimer, I wonder if I would still be playing without the advice and encouragement from everyone here. Heartfelt thanks to all.

5,000 strong! Let's celebrate!

Dusty Turtle
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05/07/10 12:48:45PM
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I bought several Intelli Chromatic IMT-500 clip-on tuners fairly cheaply off Ebay and am happy with them. Hunter is correct that if they have trouble picking up a note, they don't with the harmonic. I find with my guitar it can almost never pick up the low E string, but it has no trouble with the harmonic.I used to use a Sabine tuner but never bought the pick-up attachment, so I needed silence to tune. It works great if you are plugged in, for you can just put in in between two chords and follow the lights even while playing. But for acoustic instruments it really didn't function too well.I doubt, however, these cheap little clip-ons are as accurate as the more expensive Korg. It would be nice if Consumer Reports or someone would do a comparison for us.D.T. Hunter Walker said:
I found this too, however, it works like a charm if you use a harmonic.

David Swanson said:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the little Intelli or Tune Tech clip-on tuners that seem so popular. I have a TT500 and while I prefer my Korg, the TuneTech is very convenient. The Korg works great but the cord is a pain. The display on the TT seems to be slower, and for some reason it is less sensitive to the A string than either D strings (tuned DAdd).
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03/18/10 12:58:21AM
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Strumelia said:
Dusty Turtle said:
The hit of the day, though, was the limberjack. He danced around while I sang "There ain't no bugs on me" and the kids couldn't get enough. Whenever I tried to stop they began clapping their hands in unison and chanting "more, more, more." Finally the teacher had to bribe them with blueberry muffins to allow me to escape and get on with my day.

I had the same experience playing my limberjacks at farmers' markets and such.
Yes, there are some small children who seem jaded and uninterested, but then you get the other ones who make it all worth while. Last summer, a group of four children, ranging from age 4 to 7 or so, stopped dead in their tracks and came running over to watch my limberjack dance. You wouldn't believe how HUGE their eyes got, like dinner plates!, and then they all started laughing and pointing in delight, and the more he danced the more they laughed. Then they started trying to dance like the limberjack, and they laughed even MORE, finally collapsing right there on the ground in a heap of child glee and belly laughs. It made me so happy ! I think that was the very best audience i ever had . :)
I love playing my limberjacks. I have five of them, all different. I may wind up with more eventually, I love them that much. Plus, they are way cheaper than banjos! ;D Here are photos of three of them.
Wow, Strumelia, I must admit that I covet your limberjacks. In only have one made of walnut and without any decoration. I, too, adore that little pig of yours. I maintain a fantasy that I'll build some of my own, but that elusive free time I keep expecting has yet to materialize.It is amazing that in this media-saturated age when plastic novelties abound in all sorts of bright colors with lights and computer-generated noise, a simple, centuries-old, clog-dancing doll made of wood can create so much joy.Keep smiling,D.T.
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03/17/10 08:35:23PM
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Connecting musically with children is indeed magical, and it sounds like that was the most successful part of Vicki's adventure.Just yesterday I brought my guitar, uke, autoharp, dulcimer, mandolin, pennywhistle and limberjack to my daughter's pre-school class. I did a few story/songs such as the Pete Seeger classics "Abiyoyo" and "The Frog" but also played some of the usual song suspects such as Tom Paxton's "The Marvelous Toy." I thought they would love the chorus ("It went zip when it moved and pop when it stopped . . .") but they were actually clapping excitedly in time with the music while I was still in the first lines of the first verse. I played a kid's song I translated from French that celebrates the diversity of animal life and had the kids acting like the animal mentioned in each verse. When I played the verse about the "snakes who slither in the grass" the kids all began wiggling on their bellies and converged in a big pile in the middle of the floor. The teachers all got a hearty laugh at that sight.The kids were enthralled with the fact that you could play a melody with a single finger on the dulcimer and of course they loved strumming the autoharp (which I have tuned diatonically, by the way, in order to double up on strings and get a fuller sound).The hit of the day, though, was the limberjack. He danced around while I sang "There ain't no bugs on me" and the kids couldn't get enough. Whenever I tried to stop they began clapping their hands in unison and chanting "more, more, more." Finally the teacher had to bribe them with blueberry muffins to allow me to escape and get on with my day.I didn't put out a donation bucket and didn't make any money. But the joy on the kids' faces (especially my daughter's) is worth more than any hourly wage anywhere.Thanks for indulging me; I had to share that fun with some folks I know would appreciate it.Cheers,D.T.
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03/17/10 05:38:14PM
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Vicki, you definitely deserve congratulations for gathering the moxie to play in public. I second the notion that you should open up your case for tips. Put a dollar or two and some coins in there as a little nudge in the right direction.And then you might ingratiate yourself with those exercising by putting out orange wedges and playing Springsteen: "'Cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run!"OK, maybe that's not the best song, but on a rails to trails area you might play a bunch of old railroad songs.As folkfan has said, you found a nice place to play where you won't interrupt traffic or anything, but people exercising don't usually carry around spare change, so if you really want to earn a little beer money you might find another spot.Keep up the good work.D.T.
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03/15/10 07:50:48PM
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Dearest Folkfan and Vicki,First, there is no doubt that any kind of gathering on the streets can become a nuisance, but street performers are certainly no more guilty of causing problems in that regard than is anyone else. Lousy drivers, for example, are much more of a hazard, I would argue.I lived in Chicago one summer in the 1980s and discovered a guy playing sax on the street as I walked with thousands of others to Grant Park for the Blues Festival (it might have been the R&B festival, since I attended both that year). He was playing a jazzy version of "Rubber Ducky" from Sesame Street and was just twisting and turning that tune in every direction possible. He played all by himself but really had some pep in his step and a bunch of us were dancing around him. He was far better than any of the big-name, high-priced acts we saw on the stages at the festival.If anyone wants to hear a celebration of that kind of performance, check out Joni Mitchell's "Real Good For Free": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PljZrArrb3k In my mind, you have to put up with the occasional inconvenience if you want the chance to discover those diamonds in the rough. The problem folkfan describes is genuine, but it is not a problem with busking; it is a problem with a lack of consideration of others that permeates our culture.To answer Vicki's question, in some cities and some neighborhoods, you do indeed need a license to perform. In Faneuil Hall in Boston, for example, there are elaborate auditions for a limited number of licenses to perform in the summer. The competition is high as is the quality of the entertainment. A friend of mine did a juggling act there (Peter Panic if any of you have seen him or are on your way to Boston) and he made enough money in the summer to support himself all winter long.Maybe there is a difference between that and busking, but he still passed around a hat for his pay (actually, he rode a unicycle while someone chosen from the audience sat on his shoulders holding a hat for tips).I think anytime you rely on tips for your performance for your income, it is pretty informal.Now, to work out Rubber Ducky on the dulcimer . . .D.T.
Dusty Turtle
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03/15/10 03:21:16PM
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Yes, that line would work great, especially with a rim shot or other quick musical exclamation point right at the end. Strumelia said:
Dusty Turtle said:
As others have suggested, making a joke about not playing a request is probably the best route when you really don't know the material requested.

Dusty,
Having to do with that, one of my favorite things to say between tunes when we are playing out in public is:
"We've had a request from the audience.....but we've decided to keep playing anyway." Always gets a good laugh! :D
Dusty Turtle
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03/15/10 03:18:01PM
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Andy,There's an old kids' song [meaning an old song for kids, not a song for old kids ;)]by Tom Paxton about the "Marvelous Toy," the chorus of which isIt went zip! when it movedAnd bop! when it stoppedAnd whirr! when it stood still.I never knew just what it wasAnd I guess I never will.It might be cool to make up a song about the mystery instrument and sing that whever people ask what you are playing.D.T. Andy Huffman said:
I am dying to know what people in New England would request from someone busking with a dulcimer. Probably along the lines of "an explanation of what the heck that thing is???"
Dusty Turtle
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03/15/10 02:15:04PM
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I just found this thread and realize you've all probably moved on, but I do have a story to share.I used to play mandolin in an informal trio (guitar, bass, mandolin) of friends. We had a very limited repertoire. We used to play the Dylan song "You Ain't Going Nowhere" until the guitarist wrote an original tune the rhythm of which sounded just like the Dylan tune, so we stopped playing the Dylan tune. Once we were asked to entertain at a small barbeque in the Berkeley hills and in about a half-hour had run through all the songs we had worked on. But just as we were about to tell everyone we were done, someone requested "You Ain't Going Nowhere." With smiles on our faces we broke into it right away, milked it for all we could, each taking a few solos, singing all the lyrics two or three times through, and then finally lifting our instruments in the air at the end as we said goodnight before any more requests could come our way.It was a great climax to our short set and until now we were the only ones who knew that the song requested was the only song not part of our set that we could possibly have played!When you play in public, in fact, you don't need a large repertoire because most folks only listen while they are waiting for their bus, as they shop for vegetables at the market, or whatever. They are not expecting to sit down and be entertained for 90 minutes straight. I would think the idea of learning some of the songs that are likely to be requested would be all that you need to play with confidence in public and not be afraid of a request.Then again, on one of his live albums, Loudon Wainwright III is asked to play a song and responds, "Perhaps I'll play that another time. But my therapist has encouraged me to be more assertive with women. So I'm sorry, but no." As others have suggested, making a joke about not playing a request is probably the best route when you really don't know the material requested. It is another example of Strumelia's axiom about smiling at your public rather than screwing your face into weird contortions as you stare at the fretboard.I've never seen a dulcimer player busking, but if I do, I'll empty my wallet.Cheers,D.T.
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