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Dan
@dan
06/30/25 07:35:38AM
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Black Thomas replication


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John Pettreemusic:

Very nice Dan! haven't heard the "dance" in quite a few years. Thanks for the trip.

A few questions if I may...

1. the fret spacing "seems" to wander back and forth. Is this a mater of the angle the photos were taken? if not, is there a reason or rule to be followed? Looks "older, doesn't matter as long a the fret is under what it needs to be , etc?

2.is there a "dulcimore" rule to dictate what direction a carved heart points? Or is it strictly artisan choice?

3. If it is not a guarded secret....what is the formula used for the finish?

...asking for a friend

....

 

Thank you for asking John,

1) the staples are set by hand so there will be a little variance, yes the proper VSL at that staple is what is important

2) the Thomas pieces had the hearts pointed that way as did most early pieces (Edd Presnell made reference to "hands and hearts to God" was the reason they pointed them that way)

3) there are a thousand YouTube videos about this...

  • skim milk to white vinegar 8/1 let set in warm place over night (makes quark)
  • rinse quark through cheese cloth three times to remove the acid
  • slake hydrated lime and mix with quark about 4/1 quark/lime
  • let this set in fridge over night
  • warm to room temperature and add color pigment (depends on the color pigment?)
  • I use an electric stirrer to keep the mix from settling

You don't have to let the mix set over night. Some folks mix it up and go with it right then but I like to give it time to wet out properly. Yes I have some guarded secrets in my mix and method beyond this recipe! 

Some folks take issue with the methods I use. I have electricity, they didn't. I take issue with folks who take liberty with modern materials and call it traditional. I have heat and air conditioning in the Dulcimore Den but the materials in my replications are authentic! I'm very proud of this...

Dan
@dan
06/29/25 03:11:38PM
196 posts

Black Thomas replication


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Thomas using traditional hide glue, galvanized wire and hand made milk paint.


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Dan
@dan
04/24/25 07:05:56AM
196 posts

six string Dulcimer


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Just liken it to a 12 string guitar vs. a six string. I will say different but not better.

Dan
@dan
03/13/25 11:34:40AM
196 posts

Scale length


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Strumelia:

Adding to what Dusty said, tone can also be greatly effected by the wood thickness... not simply by the size of the sound box and its scale length.

@Dan ...what note and what string gauge do you use for a 36" scale? Surely not the usual high d note... you must be tuning to lower keys/notes?

Perhaps simply comparing the sound/tone of a shorter 23 5/16" scale McSpadden Ginger to a regular 29" scale McSpadden would answer TonyG's question. However, the Ginger is described as being tuned to the key of G, several steps higher than the standard DAA or DAd.
So, Tony asks if a different scale will effect the tone or sound... I guess part of the answer would also depend on whether you specify tuning both scales to the same notes or keys.

 

I have two pieces, the hourglass loosely based on the I.D. is a four string using .009, .009, .016 and a wound .022 long neck banjo strings. To get that unique tonal quality you slack the regular baritone ADD down about a full note and a half.  My other is a Virginia style three string using music wire @ .016, .016 and a .020 tuned around DAA. Sorry it took so long to respond, I kept forgetting to bring my dial calipers in from the wood shop.

Dan
@dan
03/10/25 09:45:10PM
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Scale length


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

If you tune a 26 inch and 29 inch Dulcimore the same, the longer scale will have more tension and usually have a little better "punch" to it. I also prefer the longer scales, 36 inch is my favorite!

Dan
@dan
08/07/24 12:44:46PM
196 posts

Choosing for bad weather..?


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Any of my traditional pieces. The old finishes are not in any way prone to cracking the way the lacquers can and so long as you are under 140 º and don't loosen the glue you should be O.K. Pegs are often not conducive to the changes in humidity but remember what Jean said, "spit on it".

Dan
@dan
04/18/24 07:25:29AM
196 posts

Hindman Boys (and Gal)


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THE EXPRESS WAY WITH DULÉ HILL

Appalachia

Will air again:

Wednesday, May 01

01:00 am ET


updated by @dan: 04/18/24 07:26:53AM
Dan
@dan
04/18/24 07:14:41AM
196 posts

Hindman Boys (and Gal)


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...will be in a PBS program Tuesday night the 30th.

https://www.pbs.org/video/dule-meets-master-luthier-doug-naselroad-d6qxa3/


updated by @dan: 04/18/24 07:22:44AM
Dan
@dan
04/13/24 09:58:12AM
196 posts

Does soundbox tension affect volume and tone


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NateBuildsToys:

A while ago on here I saw a dulcimer that had gap under the tail end of the fingerboard, with the string tension pulling it up from the box. The idea was that by having the tail end of the fingerboard (where the strings were mounted) detached from the box, the string tension would pull hard on the area with the string pins, lifting it so that it hovers a couple millimeters above the soundboard potentially increasing volume. Does anyone know what this feature is called, so I can look into it more?

 

Dan
@dan
04/02/24 07:51:20AM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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Dusty Turtle:

I think Ken's correct.  It's pretty clear that all those different spellings of what we now refer to as a dulcimer -- delcymore, delcimer, dulcimer, dulcimore, dulcymore -- reflect local or regional pronunciations of the word.  Especially among people with low literacy rates, few people would have seen the word in print, so there was nothing like a "standard" pronunciation.  In the same way that folk songs varied from one region to another, so would the pronunciation of a word vary.


As for dulciwhacker or duckslammer?  confusey


 

Would doctors and educators be folks of low literacy? Why would they use the term "dulcimore"? 

Dan
@dan
04/02/24 07:49:33AM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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Ken Longfield:

As far as I am concerned, there is no difference between a dulcimore and a dulcimer. They are different names for the same instrument. C.N. Prichard call the instruments he manufactured "The American Dulcimer." J. E. Thomas called the instrument he made a dulcimer. As to where the name originated, it is anybody's guess. One theory is that mountaineers familiar with the King James Bible new the list of instruments in Daniel. One instrument on that list was dulcimer. Since no one knew what a dulcimer was, they adopted the name for their instrument. (Biblical scholars think the instrument called "dulcimer" is really a reed instrument like a clarinet.) Strumelia already mention that the name may have derived from the Latin for sweet (dulce) and the Greek for sound or song (Melos). Who knows for sure? Pretty much all of the early scholarly literature and much of popular literature refers to the instrument as "dulcimer."

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

 

I've had the opportunity to go through my records and can't find the reference of Uncle Ed using the term "dulcimer". Please share your reference?

Dan
@dan
03/10/24 08:10:47AM
196 posts

Wanted: Replacement Friction Peg for Homer Ledford Dulcimer


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I'd contact Warren May in Berea. His pegs are replicated from the Homer pegs and I know he has plenty of them on hand.

Warren May

Dan
@dan
02/03/24 06:10:28PM
196 posts

How precisely do you tune up?


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I play traditional, usually in Ionian and I tune do-so-so by ear. 

Dan
@dan
06/05/23 02:08:30PM
196 posts

Sarah Kate on mountain dulcimer on a Hazel Dickens song


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CJ2dulci:

I've been looking for the tab for this beautiful song.  Anyone know where I can find it?

You might want to ask Sarah Kate, she is pretty knowledgeable about that sort of thing. 

Dan
@dan
04/17/23 09:38:40AM
196 posts

FOTMD Advisory...


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We'll cross our fingers for ya!

Dan
@dan
03/11/23 06:06:17PM
196 posts

Benefits of longer VSL?


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Sorry, to answer the question, personal preference. If'in you like that sort of sound go for it!

Dan
@dan
03/11/23 06:02:00PM
196 posts

Benefits of longer VSL?


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The "36" inch is at least a fifth lower. I.D. slacked it a note or two below that so no issue with string tension. (Long neck banjo strings) And another tune on a "36" inch...

36 inch sound clip

Dan
@dan
01/17/23 07:37:28PM
196 posts

CBS piece on Troublesome Creek Stringed Instruments


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Just a note, not "all" employees are recovering...

Dan
@dan
01/08/23 09:35:40AM
196 posts

W. Martin Dulcimer History


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Yes those are wonderful pieces with a very "big" sound!

Dan
@dan
11/05/22 10:35:18AM
196 posts

Clemmer Peg head


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I believe Bill retired in the late 80's. Not sure what the intonation was set to, I'd imagine the melody was an A vs. the contemporary d.

Dan
@dan
11/05/22 06:19:37AM
196 posts

Clemmer Peg head


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Not a Clemmer but a Bill Davis peg head. Bill taught Sam Carrell who in turn trained Mike Clemmer. Bill sold a lot of kits back in the day. His pieces where marked on the lower right back. (Early pieces had labels) They have a "big" sound!


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Dan
@dan
11/04/22 05:40:26PM
196 posts

Clemmer Peg head


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Sounds like a Bill Davis kit to me.....we need images!

Dan
@dan
08/14/22 05:47:48PM
196 posts

Making a noter


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I believe river cane makes the best noter. (Historically correct and indigenous)  Bamboo is very similar being high in silicon content that makes them last a very long time and slide quite nice..... 

Dan
@dan
07/30/22 05:22:32PM
196 posts

Ionian tuning question


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Strumelia:

Dan:

You aint' got none posted for sale yet? I'll take one....



How to make $20 by selling dulcimer buttons:
Start by spending $70 to make and mail a dozen of them.


biglaugh



Well, maybe I could invest the tens of dollars I make with Dulcimore making and start me a button making empire? lol

Dan
@dan
07/30/22 04:24:18PM
196 posts

Ionian tuning question


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Strumelia:

I really think there should be a button one could wear that just says: bim bim BOM.

You aint' got none posted for sale yet? I'll take one....

Dan
@dan
07/30/22 09:56:00AM
196 posts

Ionian tuning question


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[quote="RoyB"]

[quote="ocean-daughter"]

I think some of the dulcimer renaissance pioneers developed their own ways of thinking and talking about theory and dulcimer playing.  For instance Force and d'Ossche playing the dulcimer with it "sideways" on a strap, though they still fretted and strummed "overhand" like lap players would.  And I've heard people refer to tunings as "AAD" or "CAD", treble to bass.

Thanks, I'm starting to figure that out, as I read more about the dulcimer, especially from older sources.  I did note that Jean Ritchie, for one, would indicate GGC, where today we'd say CGG.

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And Jeans daddy Balis, "you tune her like this: Bim - bim - BOM."

Dan
@dan
07/12/22 06:15:53AM
196 posts

Finding a tuning Peg


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No there is no off the shelf peg for your dulcimer. Each maker had his own way of making pegs and the pegs were "fitted" to it's own hole. If you can find a local luthier learned in historical dulcimer making, they can "make" you a peg and "fit" it.

Dan
@dan
07/11/22 04:30:26PM
196 posts

KY Fretboard


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The Kentucky and North Carolina pieces were usually around 28 inch VSL.  (29 inch was common) The Virginia pieces were closer to 26 inch VSL. (Many shorter than that!) With that said, there were pieces in all regions that fell longer and shorter! Basically the Kentucky would have been a few inches longer than the Virginia in VSL...why? I have no idea. VSL is just one variation, the Virginians also pushed the nut farther up the staple board where as the Kentucky kept it agin the tail piece. Very different tonal qualities between the two methods, personal preference I suppose.

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