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Strumelia
@strumelia
10/26/22 05:52:48PM
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Dulcimer Moving when I play


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

It's a great solution. But to confirm what Dusty warned on- do NOT store the rubber shelf material directly in contact with the wood. It WILL leave strange waffles patterns on your dulcimer over time. Not residue, but actually lightening the color of the wood so you can't just clean it off.

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/22/22 01:17:55PM
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Thanks to our FOTMD welcoming "Greeters"!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

On behalf of all site members, I just wanted to give a hug of appreciation to our wonderful VOLUNTEER Welcome Wagon here on FOTMD.

Our "Greeters" post warm welcome comments on the profile page of every new member who joins the site. They do this simply because they know how good it feels to receive a friendly post or two on your page when you first join.  Our greeting team puts the "friends" in Friends of the Mountain Dulcimer, and they do it out of their own kindness.

I'd like to add that there are no special requirements for joining them as a FOTMD "Greeter"- you just have to love people and make a friendly welcoming comment on new members' profile pages with some regularity- whenever you feel you can. If you'd like more info just catch FOTMD Moderator Jim Fawcett early on most mornings in the ChatRoom here on FOTMD.  To open the Chat, click the blue "quote bubble" button at bottom right of any page on the site.

Let's all give our thanks to our site's current Welcome Wagon Team!:

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updated by @strumelia: 10/22/22 01:18:45PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
10/18/22 05:52:45PM
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The Positive Thread...


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omg Dusty, too adorable!  catdance

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/15/22 04:56:37PM
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Aha! Experience with modes


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Hey, that's so nice of you to let me know how it helped you! Makes my day.  inlove

If anyone wants to check it out, here's a link:
https://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2010/09/few-of-my-posts-about-modes.html

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/15/22 01:42:38PM
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My own thoughts are that a VSL of between 25"-27" is really ideal if one is intending to play in the key of D a great deal. (most dulcimers play in D more than in any other key). Once you get in the longer 28-30" vsl range, you are going to start breaking strings a little more often, and the shorter you go ...say 22-24", the heavier strings you will need to put on in order to play comfortably in the key of D.

That's the reason epinettes (which often have a typical vsl of only 21" or so) are usually tuned higher for the key of G (3 steps up from the usual dulcimer D). And dulcimers longer than 28" scale length often do better when tuned to C (1 step lower than the usual D).

Beginner dulcimer players often worry that they 'need' a shorter vsl because they have small hands. What they don't take into account are two important factors: 1) They be using also their thumb while fretting ...which extends their reach way beyond what most guitar players do using only four fingers ...and 2) Because of the drone-friendly tunings of dulcimers in the first place, one frequently is making use of open strings while fretting chords. So it's not really all that common or critical to make a long stretch when chording. When it does come up that a long stretch is needed, your thumb can neatly solve the issue most of the time.

While I wouldn't necessarily recommend a 28-30" vsl dulcimer to people with smaller hands, I think that vsl's of 25-27" are great for people with any size hands, even small hands.  Just my two cents.

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/15/22 09:47:50AM
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(runs and hides my trusty can of Pledge before anyone sees it...) duck

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/13/22 08:38:55PM
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How do I create a new forum discussion?


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?

Folks, be sure to look over ALL the discussions in the "How Do I...?" forum, for help in figuring out how to do things on the site here.

Check it out, the answers may already be there waiting for you:

https://fotmd.com/forums/forum/site-questions-how-do-i

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/11/22 04:02:42PM
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Fret that won’t stay put


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@molly-mccurdy - I need to contact you right away. I've sent you a private note here. Can you please check your FOTMD inbox and respond to me? Thank you!  -strumelia

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/07/22 07:27:23AM
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Help identify this épinette.


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@marg - if you are tuning to the key of D, then the note D would be "1" as you count on your fingers with the alphabet... and the fifth (5) from there would be A (D, E, F, G, A). That's the 1 (the tonic or key note) and its 5th note in the scale... D with A. Hence the popular tuning DAA.

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/06/22 01:44:53PM
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Help identify this épinette.


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Curtis Carlisle Bouterse:

All - but two - of my almost hundred banjers are fretless.


and i thought *I* had a lot of banjers.  what

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/06/22 07:51:39AM
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Help identify this épinette.


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Well that's a really lovely instrument! I like that it's got a relatively shallow depth, so the sound will be bright and project nicely. Love the little sound holes too. Must be a bit of a job to tune though! 

Who made your fretless banjo?


updated by @strumelia: 10/06/22 07:52:13AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
10/05/22 09:27:57AM
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Introduce Yourself!


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Welcome to the site!
Wow what a lot of music playing runs in your family- how nice! music

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/24/22 08:30:56PM
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Holiday


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That's a crazy adventure Ken. Hope you don't get hit too badly by the hurricane now. crossfingers

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/14/22 08:59:43AM
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North country dulcimers floating bridge replacement


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+Plus to what Dusty said, but with one added thought:

Usually hardwood bridges are preferred and give better tone. Violins and banjos most typically have maple bridges.
However, I found out that with early style banjos the best most resonant sound is achieved with softwood bridges like spruce, cedar, pine, etc. I was at an early banjo gathering once where a fellow was selling bridges made from many various woods, and it was suggested by more than one person that i try a softwood bridge. I tried many bridges that day and they were right- the evergreen ones gave a noticeably richer more resonant tone... which very much surprised me. I bought several and put them on my 3 early style banjos.
I can only guess it's a similar effect as when a dulcimer has a spruce, redwood, or cedar top- which is softer wood but gives a very mellow resonant tone. I should note that the early fretless banjos use nylgut strings rather than steel strings and this may have relevance, other things being equal.

So don't destroy that cedar bridge once you make a new hardwood one. Swap them back and forth and do a sound test!  banjo

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/28/22 01:47:43PM
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End of Finger Stabs


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

That's pretty cute Sheryl! Clever.

I usually take a small needle nose pliers and bend the very ends right back on themselves like a little loop.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/24/22 09:41:23AM
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Holiday


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Yeah that does sound awesome Ken. Have a great time!  Don't catch covid.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/23/22 02:36:56PM
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Fret necessary?


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DouglasCoates:

If I never used the 6+ it probably wouldn't matter to me (?).

You said you would like to probably experiment with chord playing, so i strongly suggest adding at least the 6.5 fret. (And it's 'octave companion' 13.5 fret if you get up that far)

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/16/22 07:20:27PM
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Making a noter


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Only enough pressure to make the string touch the fret. Sometimes with higher frets, if you press the string all the way down to touch the wood, then you are further stretching the string and making it sound sharp.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/16/22 06:17:05PM
2,320 posts

Making a noter


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I think skip means you don't have to push the string all the way down to the wooden fretboard when pressing down the string between the frets. Also try to keep the noter not slanted- it gives a clearer sound. (unless you are purposely using the slanted noter technique for other reasons)


updated by @strumelia: 08/16/22 06:17:38PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
08/12/22 08:55:28AM
2,320 posts

Dulcimer and mandolins


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Dave, this is an interesting question and subject.
I can see that you are a pretty accomplished musician. I'm afraid I can't think of examples of the kind you are looking for in particular, but it shouldn't be a hard thing to do if you have musicians who can play along with each other by ear.

I went to our site's video section, and punched in "mandolin" in the search box, and came up with this:
https://fotmd.com/search/results/jrVimeo,jrYouTube,jrVideo/1/25/search_string=mandolin
There looks like maybe a couple of examples of dulcimer and mandolin playing together in a group, but you'll have to look through them.
Sorry I can't be of more help!

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/09/22 08:03:55AM
2,320 posts

funny frets


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I've seen some guitars made with slanted or curvy frets. It's an overly-complex way of avoiding a compensated bridge. A compensated bridge is a heck of a lot easier and gets the job done, maybe a tiny bit less precisely than curved/slanted frets.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/01/22 06:52:19PM
2,320 posts

Ionian tuning question


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Of course, if you can't sing either of those songs, you're in trouble. lolol

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/01/22 11:43:03AM
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Show Us Your Pets!


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Strumelia
@strumelia
08/01/22 08:54:51AM
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Ionian tuning question


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John, that is so coooool!!! I'll remember that one and use it. music

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/31/22 11:27:19AM
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Ionian tuning question


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The Cripple Creek dulcimer book instructs one to tune to the key of G for ionian mode, but without using a reverse tuning.

They instruct to tune the bass string to the G below middle C for bass string (G3 in octave labeling), then to the D (D4) right above middle C for the middle and melody strings. (Gddd for ionian key-of-G, as opposed to our typical key-of-D ionian tuning DAAA which has all strings below middle C). 

(Note that this Gddd 'might' strain your bass and middle strings if they are heavy gauge or if you have a long vsl.)

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/30/22 08:58:25PM
2,320 posts

Ionian tuning question


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Dusty you correctly surmised the reverse tunings in the chart while I was typing my endless novel. yak

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/30/22 08:57:15PM
2,320 posts

Ionian tuning question


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It's worth reading Robert Force's story about the book:
https://robertforce.com/SongsAndInstruction/InSearchOfTheWildDulcimer.html

And you can read the book itself online here:
https://robertforce.com/SongsAndInstruction/InSearchOfTheWildDulcimer-PDFs.html

NOTES:  in the "Tuning chart" page, at bottom he states the string length as being 24"... quite a short vsl.

He also states the strings as being listed 'from low to high', therefore he writes his mixolydian tuning in the chart from top to bottom: DADD meaning the top D is the low bass string and the two bottom d's are the pair of melody strings. He refers to the melody string s , plural. He lists the gauges as 22(low bass), 12, and 10 (0.22, 0.12, and 0.10)

He's giving DGdd as the tuning for Ionian mode. That's a 'reverse Ionian' tuning for the key of G.

Why that somewhat unusual tuning for playing in ionian mode? I figure this came about because when he tuned to DAAA on a 24" scale with the melody strings being 0.10, they were just too floppy for him to think playable. The third fret on the melody strings in DGdd is a G note, so that's the tonic/key he indicated. But if you tried to tune typically (1-5-5) for ionian in the key of G, you'd tune Gddd. The Bass string would break long before hitting that higher G, and it'd likely be too loose and jangly if tuned to the G below the usual D.  To avoid breaking the bass or middle string is the reason some folks use a 'reverse tuning'- where the tonic low note is instead on the middle string and the heavy string is tuned instead to a fifth below the tonic. The bass and middle string notes get swapped. It saves strings from breaking or from being too low to play.
For the key of G that reverse tuning would then be DGdd as in the chart, with the middle string taking over the job of the tonic low note, the melody strings playing high g tonic on the 3rd fret, and the bass string tuned to a fifth from the tonic (the 5th note in the key of G being a D) but in the lower octave. The bass and middle strings have exchanged duties, and you don't break any strings.

If the scale length of the person mapping out the tuning chart had been a more typical 26-28" length, then the normal key of D ionian tuning of DAAA would have worked fine. OR, it also would have also worked fine in DAAA on a 24" scale if he had put heavier strings on.
It's little wonder folks tuned up from the key of C to the key of D if they were making or playing 24" scale dulcimers. I also notice he has the chart use the key of E for aeolian mode. I think a lot of this was to accommodate that short 24" scale whoever wrote the chart was working with, assuming they didn't want to try changing to heavier strings for whatever reasons.

Robert's intro clearly states that he (and others he was working with) didn't really know much of anything about dulcimers or how they were traditionally played when they started having fun with them. They experimented, improvised, adapted, and learned as they went along.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/30/22 04:53:43PM
2,320 posts

Ionian tuning question


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Dan:

You aint' got none posted for sale yet? I'll take one....



How to make $20 by selling dulcimer buttons:
Start by spending $70 to make and mail a dozen of them.


biglaugh

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/30/22 10:15:40AM
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Ionian tuning question


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I really think there should be a button one could wear that just says: bim bim BOM.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/28/22 07:48:58AM
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Ionian tuning question


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I agree with Dusty's thoughts in his last post below. As a banjo player, and as I'm sure many guitar players also know, there are 'open tunings' that create a satisfying tonic-note-heavy resolved sound when strummed across all open strings. Fiddlers sometimes use open tunings as well, in order to play tunes heavy on paired drone bowing- they call them cross tunings. In the dulcimer, DAd is such an open tuning, while DAA (for playing in ionian mode) is less so... until you fret the melody string on 3rd fret to create that high D note... and then it's not an 'open strum'.
Many of the young people during the 1960s folk revival who were discovering playing the mountain dulcimer started playing folk music on guitar. The use of a tuning like DAd that both facilitated making chords, playing barr chords, and which had an open/unfretted tonic chord... I imagine was naturally appealing to them.
They added the 6+ fret so they could play popular American folk songs from the newly favored 1-5-8 open string tuning. They also enjoyed turning their dulcimers up on the side to play them in guitar fashion, sometimes hanging them on straps and playing while standing up performing or jamming, and some even played them 'underhand' with their left hand wrapped around to the fretboard from underneath like guitar players do as well. They adjusted the dulcimer and its playing traditions to serve more modern needs.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/26/22 11:07:29PM
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mountain dulcimer at Newport Folk Festival 2022


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Oh, that last line that Joni sang out in the video- "Oh you're a mean old daddy but you're outa sight"....  so wonderful to see that, it made me cry. 

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/25/22 07:51:26AM
2,320 posts

Best instruction material?


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Steven there's no need at all to understand modes at this point in time. Just sayin'!  earplug   lolol

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/24/22 09:42:02AM
2,320 posts

Best instruction material?


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs


Steven, you said you were interested in a basic strumming style, fretting only the melody string. That would be either noter style playing, or fingerdancing style where you fret with the fingers on the melody string only.

You might find some helpful instruction, over 30 beginner tabs, and videos in my online free blog for beginner noter players:
https://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/search/label/strumming
(Be sure to browse the posts sorted by date (earliest posts first) and/or by subject matter, using the right hand column indexes found on every page.)

I find KenH's article very simple to follow, until it gets to explaining modes. Modes are always a challenge for new players to learn about. But like many FOTMD members, you don't really have to understand modes to enjoy playing in noter style. It's fun to learn about modes later on, and get those wonderful 'light bulb moments' as you change tunings.
I've written a very simplified "modes aren't so scary after all" method of learning about the basic modes in my blog, but I suggest you delve into that later on, after you are comfortable with playing a few simple first tunes. And it doesn't get any simpler than the tune for Hot Cross Buns.
For now, just know that tuning to DAA to begin with will make it easier if you are wanting to fret notes only on the melody string.


updated by @strumelia: 07/24/22 09:45:20AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
07/21/22 09:40:57PM
2,320 posts

Bill Taylor, McSpadden dulcimer values?


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It's easy to see lots of McSpaddens on ebay and you'll get a quick idea as to what they are currently selling for.

The Bill Taylor I imagine is a nice playable dulcimer, but it's not that old or a big collectable yet, so you might try asking what you paid for it. If nobody bites then lower the price by 20% and that stimulate a sale.

Are you working with someone to sell it in person, i.e. to another dulcimer player in your area, without shipping involved?

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/20/22 08:20:03PM
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Tuning peg replacement question


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Most strings I've bought for either dulcimers or banjos have at least 8" surplus length. I'd just clip off the loop and make a new loop right there. Use the pencil or a dowel to help make the loop around, and avoid making bends that are too sharp when you twist the end.

Something here might help:
https://heritagedulcimers.wordpress.com/articles/making-your-own-loop-end-strings/

you might use a screwdriver rather than a pencil if the loop is sized better that way.


updated by @strumelia: 07/20/22 08:25:30PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
07/20/22 07:49:54PM
2,320 posts

Tuning peg replacement question


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Why not just clip the loop off the end of the string and make a new larger loop? I've done that. Use a needle nose pliers and wrap the end of the string around a pencil and then make several twists using the pliers. cut the excess end off. avoid nicking the string with the pliers while bending or twisting the loop end.


updated by @strumelia: 07/20/22 08:25:12PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
07/20/22 06:56:04AM
2,320 posts

Tuning peg replacement question


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FWIW Roy, I always use PegDrops brand on my wooden pegs, and ONLY that. Everything I've tried has been too slippy. I make sure all other products are gone from the pegs completely, and then I follow the bottle instructions exactly, only like two drop per peg right in the spot where they touch the box as they spin, and spinning them there a bit. Then i let them 'cure' overnight before putting them to the test. They have liquid rosin in them and are just right for my wood peg banjos at high tension. 

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