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Strumelia
@strumelia
10/07/25 10:07:27PM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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Are you saying that you like the tone of the melody string when it plays the tonic D note on the open string?... as opposed to the melody string tuned to A and you playing the tonic d note on the 3rd fret?
I think the tone of fretted strings are inherently slightly more 'closed' sounding than open strings... is that what you mean?  That's one reason oldtime banjo players use various tunings... to take advantage of ringing open strings as much as possible.
But I'm sure others will have great input on this. 

P.S. what version source of Sal/Mud are you learning?


updated by @strumelia: 10/07/25 10:15:12PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
10/07/25 09:04:58PM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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@barnjam ... just from my personal viewpoint-  when playing oldtime tunes up high in the second octave solely on the melody string,  -because i play with a noter  I do not have the problem of my fingertips sliding quickly between frets that are very close together.  Just putting that little bug in your ear!  bug

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/07/25 08:34:45PM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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barnjam:

Richard Ash at Folkcraft has a great write up on the subject of hands, fingers, and VSLs.


https://folkcraft.com/pages/how-to-choose-the-right-scale-length-for-your-new-dulcimer


 

That's a great write up!

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/07/25 11:59:01AM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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You may as well try to trademark the name "Black Cat".
(But I shouldn't have veered as far off Barnjam's topic as I did. Will try to behave now.)  winky

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/06/25 06:47:40PM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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@barnjam ...remember you don't 'have to' play in the key of D, either. And having a chromatic means you don't have to worry about the usual diatonic 'gaps' in the fretboard when choosing your tunings and keys. 

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/06/25 06:42:05PM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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Nate:

The "stringjoy string tension calculator" says that a 35" VSL tuned to D4 with a 0.007 gauge string (lowest Ive seen in an ernie ball pack) will have ~13 lb of tension. 


 

Yikes.  I once started using .009 strings to tune to dulcimer high D (D4) on a 28" scale. The strings tuned to the note ok, but they were so thin that they broke all too often often while playing. So I went back to using .010 for my melody strings to tune to high D.  But i can't even imagine doing that with a 35" scale length (!) and a .007 string. 
Does that "Stringjoy" Tension Calculator tell you when one of its suggestions would likely result in a string that breaks, or a string that is too slack?  I doubt it includes such useful info. I suspect that like any non-human, all it will inform you of is what numbers are correct for the calculation.  BUT... if anyone could actually do that experiment Nate, it would be YOU!  worthy  grin

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/06/25 05:00:23PM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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Another factor when making the fretboard longer and longer is that, depending on what notes you want to tune the strings to, you will have to choose string gauges that will enable you to tune to those notes on that length of fretboard. The trick is that although you'll have a range of choices by choosing various gauges, the choices are not unlimited as to how heavy(low) and how thin(high) you can go for a particular length of fretboard and choice of open string note. You can't for example tune to a dulcimer high D on a fretboard that is 35" long... the required string would be so thin it would snap under tension long before being tuned to high d. The opposite is true as well (trying to tune to very low notes on a very short fretboard... the required string would be impossibly fat and slack).

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/06/25 10:48:14AM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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barnjam:

Strumelia, your suggestion of arching the fingers is excellent, and I will try to improve on that.


I wrote a blog post on the angling of our fretting fingers that elaborates on that subject a little more- you might find something helpful in it:
https://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2012/07/lazy-fingers.html


barnjam: Yes, I'd like to play notes that dip below the "home" note of D on the melody string. I did try DAA tuning and I enjoyed the ability to hit those lower notes, but I was then limited on the higher octave.
 

You can't really have it both ways. If a string is tuned to D, you cannot play notes lower than that D (except if you start by playing in the higher octave, as you said).  Adding inches to the fretboard and some additional frets near the nut will not change anything, if you continue to tune your melody string to D .
Here is a very simple explanation of how an 'extended neck' Pete Seeger type long-necked (w/extra frets) banjo works- I find it helpful: https://www.deeringbanjos.com/pages/understanding-longneck-banjos?srsltid=AfmBOoo4bvXWt71VmGRjwkBHRjKQaD0g1EMhYPkE42R3hx7m9mR8bc1i  (banjos are most typically tuned to play in the key of G, and Pete frequently made use of capos to play/sing in various keys on his longneck banjo)

Truthfully, I might be misunderstanding your request or your concept here. The bottom line though is that on any string, you cannot play notes lower than that particular string is tuned to... no matter how long the neck is or how many additional frets you put on.

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/06/25 08:44:49AM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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One added thing I'd like to just check on-
you say you have trouble with bumping into other strings when you fret and slide with your "large hands", yet your dulcimer has a larger than usual fretboard already.
Are you fretting with the bony TIPS of your fingers, with your hand arched up over the strings, or are you fretting with the fatty PADS of your fingers, with your hand held more horizontally as though you are typing on a laptop?  Fretting with te very tips of the fingers can make all the difference in the world when it comes to getting clean sound and not bumping into other strings or muffling your own notes while cutting off resonating notes.


updated by @strumelia: 10/06/25 08:48:43AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
10/06/25 08:40:54AM
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Extended Range Dulcimer


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I'm a little confused here and i have questions. You say you like to play the melody mostly all on your melody string while occasionally plucking the middle string, yet you also say you like to play melody on the lower string. 
Are you simply wanting a longer and wider fretboard, and will continue to tune to DAd and play in the key of D?...are you just seeking extra space for your large fingers?
OR... are you wanting to play notes that dip below the 'home' note of D on your melody string, as in tuning to DAA for example?
From your question, I'm not really sure of your goal.

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/03/25 08:55:36AM
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John Stockard Dulcimer For Sale


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@dave-shattuck  - you are not selling your dulcimer though, as Old Dawg is in this For Sale thread, correct?

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/30/25 05:52:16PM
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Listing A Dulcimer For Sale


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?

BTW the whole problem was the size of the images- that was also causing the text to stretch in order to be the same width as the giant pictures. Once i downsized the pix, the text fixed itself.

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/30/25 05:48:24PM
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Listing A Dulcimer For Sale


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I reduced the photo sizes and deleted the additional threads...  see if it's ok now:

https://fotmd.com/forums/forum/for-saleinstruments-music-items-cds-wanted-to-buy/48199/john-stockard-dulcimer-for-sale
(you may have to refresh your browser page to see the new version)


updated by @strumelia: 09/30/25 05:50:32PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
09/20/25 11:50:00AM
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jubilee


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Very cool.  I had to look up the difference between a shruti box and a harmonium... both play background drones. The shruti box is more simplified, without an actual keyboard like the harmonium has, instead with a handful of 'chord' buttons, like an autoharp.  learned something new!

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/15/25 09:27:44AM
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Jean Ritchie and her ballad repertoire


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Those very old Anglo ballads came from a time generations before Jean Ritchie, when there was no instant source of news in rural areas... no newspaper delivery, radio, or tv.  They served useful as warnings about disasters, illness, or criminals... and taught lessons in morality and behavior.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/28/25 02:26:58PM
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Jewish Music


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Lorilee:

Is there a collection of Jewish worship songs written for dulcimer?

 

Just for clarification... I'm assuming that you mean "tabbed for dulcimer", as opposed to written for (composed for) dulcimer.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/24/25 10:11:06PM
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Play Music On The Porch Day 2019


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Oh my goodness, Ken... that's both wonderful and amazing! 
Big warm congratulations to you both!  inlove

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/17/25 10:34:28AM
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"Extra" frets and JI vs ET


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I would add that the 1.5 and 8.5 frets come in handy if you play a lot of very old music, such as medieval and renaissance music. I have found that those genres tend to have 'accidentals'... occasional notes that pop in or out of major/minor key creating an unexpected edginess to the tune. I have also used those two frets for unexpected minor/modal notes in older traditional American fiddle tunes which can be wonderfully quirky.
But if you don't think you'll be playing any of the types of music mentioned by Dusty or myself, I'd say you can be pretty safe just getting the 6.5 and 13.5 pair of frets... those two frets will give you lots of future-proof options.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/15/25 10:03:28AM
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Listing A Dulcimer For Sale


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There is no waiting period for you before you can list a dulcimer for sale- you can do so right now, and posting an item for sale is free. HOWEVER there are certain site guidelines to follow-
Your for sale ad thread must only be located in our For Sale Forum . No sales promotions allowed in other parts of the site. At the top of the above linked page, please read the rules for posting an item for sale, and follow them. And if your item sells, we ask that you make a small donation to our site. If your item does not sell, no donation is asked. (though it's always appreciated)
Feel free to ask other questions if needed. Thanks for asking about this!   :)

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/09/25 08:46:56PM
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dulcimer music books for sale


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what a bout your shipping arrangenments and cost? where are you located?

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/09/25 08:01:56AM
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Tuners on Folkcrat instrument are difficult to turn


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Great advice from both Richard and Ken!

BTW lubricating the gears will not make the tuners less likely to hold tension when tuned. While that might be true of wooden tuning pegs, these geared ones don't function that way. So, no fears there.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/08/25 09:45:17AM
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Playing A Longer VSL


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Nate:I don't think the difference between 24 and 26.5 is that huge. Long stretches like a 1-2-4 chord might be about 1/2 inch further.
 

Nate makes a great point- just because the entire lengthh of the vsl between nut and bridge is a substantial 2.5" longer, that doesn't mean the chord stretches for your fingers will be 2.5" longer. The distance between frets you are using in a chord will be a modest amount longer.

Do you know anyone with a regular length dulcimer you can try out? ('regular' usually meaning somewhere between 26 - 28.5" vsl)
I have found that very often beginner players are solidly convinced they will not be able to make stretches that later on they discover are actually do-able.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/08/25 09:35:04AM
2,388 posts

Playing A Longer VSL


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Something else to keep in mind...  assuming you wish to tune both dulcimers to the same key and the same notes on your strings, you may have to use slightly thinner gauge strings on a 26.5" vsl dulcimer than on a 24" dulcimer. (Not sure if you are currently using heavy-ish strings now on your 24" scale dulcimer, and you also haven't said what keys you usually play in on your shorter dulcimers).
OR, you could take the opportunity to designate the new longer dulcimer to be play tuned down to a lower key, like maybe to the key of C instead of in D.
All this depends on your personal music goals and needs.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/07/25 10:50:54PM
2,388 posts

Playing A Longer VSL


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

I'm assuming you mostly play in DAd tuning?
Are you able to concentrate more on playing the melody notes without necessarily playing the full chords of the song you are playing? Perhaps some of the 3 finger chords you use can be played with only two of the strings strummed, avoiding strumming the third note of the chord altogether?

Another thought- people who do what's called 'fingerdancing' are sort of replicating noter style play but using their fingers .  This can be done over several strings, and you can learn to incorporate a little of that style and perhaps train yourself to play more the melody and less full chording. Not sure if i described this well or not.

I'll also mention that doing hand and finger stretching exercises actually CAN over time extend the distance that your fingers can stretch to make a chord. And such hand stretching exercises are supposed to be good for your hands and their dexterity.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/05/25 09:03:32AM
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Jean Ritchie and her ballad repertoire


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I read once about how some of the words, phrases, sentence structures, and pronunciations of what today might be considered to be a "mountain hillbilly" way of speaking... evolved directly from old Gaelic language.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/31/25 04:21:20PM
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Rebec


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

In the meantime, i downsized that photo to make things easier.  ;)

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/30/25 04:27:17PM
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New album


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Alex, I read with interest the description of your album in the link you provided- the combination of dulcimer player, singer, and Victorian era woman writer in your album seems like it would be a very unique and compelling interplay.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/29/25 09:43:13AM
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I need BASIC dulcimer help - Complete novice


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Looking at a closeup of that mystery empty fret slot...

My thoughts:
A good luthier would never have put that extremely misplaced slot there in the first place, and even if they did, they would not have left the empty slot there after moving the fret to the right place. So, I think someone later on did this.
If you look closely, there are also indications that other fret slots had been cut and then filled, around where the 6.5 fret might go. Again, that job ldoes not look professionally done.

I'm thinking that 'somebody' who didn't know very much wanted to put in a 6.5 fret by themselves, and they misguidedly decided that frets 6, 6.5, 7, and 8 should all be equally spaced. So they yanked the original 7th fret out and put their new 6.5 and 7 frets in, equally spaced between the existing 6 and 8 frets. Perhaps they could hear that the 6.5 was not in the right place, and they yanked it out agin and filled the slot... but left their new 7th fret in place.

Then later yet, someone else (or maybe the same person again) realized that the (new) 7th fret was in the wrong place and it just wouldn't play in tune, so they pulled it out and put in a new 7th fret back in its original slot. But this time they didn't bother filling the empty slot.. too much trouble trying to hide it or match the color.

I do not think the luthier would have done any of this.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/28/25 11:00:59AM
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Gary Gallier's Starsong Dulcimer dim.?


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It strikes me that a VSL scale length of 27" is in the normal/standard range for a dulcimer.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/26/25 08:35:34AM
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Dulcimer Value


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@ken-longfield , you never fail to amaze me with how much you know about dulcimers and their makers.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/24/25 08:40:41AM
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Dulcimer Value


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I agree- use a flashlight to really look inside there, peering in at various angles. It happens, but it's rare that a dulcimer that nice would have no label inside at all.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/20/25 12:18:18PM
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radius fret-board.


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As far as I know (which isn't much), a radiused fingerboard is intended to be helpful in making chord stretched and barred chords when your hand is curving around the neck, as in a necked stringed instrument. But on a dulcimer, you are coming down from above with your hand, not wrapping your hand completely around a neck from the far side and then fretting. I don't see any advantage myself- it would be kinda like suggesting a radiused fingerboard/keyboard for a piano. Just my guess.


updated by @strumelia: 07/20/25 12:19:45PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
07/12/25 06:34:38PM
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Mr Dusty T


OFF TOPIC discussions

Too funny!!  bigsmile

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/09/25 07:41:46AM
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Apologies


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

No apologies needed, Alex!  sun

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/08/25 05:52:22PM
2,388 posts

Lefties


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi, I'm a leftie who plays musical instruments as right-handed. I knit right handed as well. It just makes everything easier, and both hands are doing important things anyway.

BTW I moved this discussion from our 'For Sale' forum to this General forum. happys

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/01/25 09:34:42AM
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Tuning down a half step


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Yes, that's correct.
To sound good, you'll need to tune your other strings down the same amount (a half step, or a whole step).

Keep in mind that some note intervals have only a half step between them to begin with:  E to F, and B to C. Thus for example a whole step lower than C is Bflat. I find it helps me to remember which are the half-step intervals by thinking " E at F ood, B e C ool". Also, in most music situations, people call "Dflat" Csharp... different name for basically the same note.

Unless you are playing with other people, or practicing along with a recording in a certain pitch, there's no reason you can't tune your whole dulcimer down a step, for various reasons.

What are you up to?  popcorngirl


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