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Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/28/22 10:41:26AM
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baritone guitar


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jost: Thanks for the explanation Dusty, so any guitar could be retuned like this? The Sound is lovely

Jost, in theory you could tune any guitar like this, but I am using a guitar specifically made to be a baritone.  It has extra heavy strings and extra bracing and a strong truss rod to be able to handle the extra tension.  I would be wary of just stringing any old guitar like this.  Without that extra bracing, you might do some damage.  I am certainly no expert on instrument design, however.  The strings mine came with range from .016 to .070.  They are pretty big and give my fingers a workout.  

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/27/22 12:51:12PM
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baritone guitar


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jost: What's the difference to a normal guitar? The tuning?

Yes, a baritone is tuned a 4th or 5th lower than a standard guitar.  So the low 6th string of a standard guitar is the same note as the 5th string of a baritone.  A standard guitar is tuned (from low to high) E-A-D-G-B-E whereas a baritone is tuned B-E-A-D-F#-B.

It's basically the same difference as that between a standard and baritone dulcimer.


updated by @dusty-turtle: 04/27/22 12:52:27PM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/26/22 11:15:53PM
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baritone guitar


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Just got a baritone guitar!  Does anyone else play a baritone guitar?  What styles of music or specific songs seem to work well?

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/24/22 01:42:21PM
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FOTMD Chat Room!


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Thanks, @robin-thompson for that link. sun

@jimws, please note that the Forum to which Robin points you, How Do I . . .   is the best place for asking questions about how the site works.

You also might consider joining the Technology/Software/Amplifying Group .  There are several discussion there on MobileSheets.  You cannot see all the responses without joining, but the price of membership is very affordable. happys

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/23/22 11:55:28AM
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Teaching Advice


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Lorilee,

I'm no expert on autism, but if you think math might be the key to getting your granddaughter interested in music, there are lots of places to find it.

Right hand strumming is all a matter of fractions.  Does your daughter already know about note duration?  If we start with a tune in 4/4 time, then a whole note gets one strum to last the whole measure, but we can cut that in half and get half notes, so you strum twice in that measure, we can cut each half note in half and get quarter notes and strum four times in a measure, we can cut those quarter notes in half and get eighth notes, in which case we strum eight times in a measure, and so forth.  And we can mix and match those strums, with the understanding that all those fractions have to add up to 1 for each measure.

The left hand is all about math, too, but at least on the dulcimer we don't work with fractions but integers.  If your granddaughter is going to be playing other instruments--likely if her elective is band--then I would stress not the numbers of the frets but the intervals between notes.  So the root or tonic is the 1st, the next note of the scale is the 2nd, the next note is the 3rd, and so forth until you get to the octave, the 8th note.

I would have her start by playing in a drone style (she can use her fingers rather than a noter, I would think) and show her a simple melody, noting the intervals involved.  You might even make a game of it, playing the first notes of a song and asking her to figure out what the interval is.  Twinkle Twinkle begins with a 5th.  Here Comes the Bride begins with a fourth.  My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean begins with a 6th.  Show her those intervals on the fretboard and see if that piques her interest.

Having said all that, you might also just put the dulcimer on her lap, show her a simple melody, and see what she does on her own.  Some children with autism have the ability to very quickly learn pretty complicated pieces of music, and it might be that the mathematical patterns of music are more easily understood by people with autism than they are by the rest of us supposedly "normal" people.  I think if you are attentive to your granddaughter, you might find she takes quickly to music without you having to point out the math behind it.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/08/22 05:43:57PM
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12 String Guitar


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jost: An understandable sentiment. I love finger-style guitar (listening and playing) and this is just not possible for me with the 12 string. On the other hand the 12 string is great for songs with heavy strumming (Eg Star of the county down, The Blacksmith etc).
 

It is perfectly possible to play fingerstyle on a twelve string.  Leadbelly did it.  So did Leo Kottke.  Check this out.


The real problem with 12 strings was expressed by Pete Seeger: You spend half your life tuning your guitar and the other half playing out-of-tune.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/08/22 02:14:38AM
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Composition in G minor


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I would transpose to Bm. Then your chords would be Bm, D, and A.  You'd be all set in either DAd or DAA.  No need for a capo.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/07/22 01:26:30PM
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How do we indicate the extra fret in tablature


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6+ is exactly right, @melvoid.  We use the + for extra frets so that someone with a true diatonic fretboard and someone with extra frets can still refer to frets using the same numbers.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/07/22 03:03:10AM
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12 String Guitar


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Just noticed this post, @jost.  How's the 12-string been treating you?  I have a 12-string guitar made in Canada by Seagull that I bought several years ago, just before I discovered the dulcimer.  It's fun to play something with such a full sound, isn't it?

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
04/01/22 03:53:23AM
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Bing's Blues Blowout! April 16th at 6 pm EDT


Single-Instructor workshops, band & house concerts, Club activities, monthly Jams

Sounds like a lot of fun, Bing!  My in-person dulcimer club will be just finishing up when you're starting, so I'll encourage everyone to join you.

Well I tried to sing the blues, grabbed my axe but broke a string.

I said I tried to sing the blues, grabbed my axe but broke a string.

That'll make it hard to steal some licks from bluesman Bing.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/31/22 02:33:45AM
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For Sale Modern Mountain Dulcimer


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It's a beautiful dulcimer.  I love my MMD and have long thought about getting a baritone.  Alas, NH is a bit of a drive for me.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/30/22 10:58:21AM
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Confusion over Rueben's Train


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Well the bluegrass version is a lot faster, certainly, than @jessica-comeau's version, and fiddle players generally play a lot more notes than do dulcimer players, but those two versions sound like the same tune to me.  The underlying chord progression and basic melody seem the same.

I often find it hard to arrange tunes for the dulcimer based on fiddle versions of tunes.  They just play so many notes that the basic melody is often hidden in an overgrown forest of chromatic notes.

There are tons of dulcimer versions of this tune on YouTube.  I would watch about a dozen of them and then you'll get a feel for what parts of the song are essential and what parts are up to individual interpretation.

One thing is clear, though: you will want to tune to DAC or use a capo at 1 to get the minor tone of this one.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/27/22 08:21:52PM
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Introduce Yourself!


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Welcome to FOTMD, @canadian-dulcimer-boy, and congratulations on your find.  The best dulcimer journeys begin with a unique discovery like yours.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/26/22 04:58:12PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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It was so fun to wake up here on the west coast and find so many people had already been posting such good music on the first ever IADD. Thanks @robin-thompson, @ariane, @gordon-hardy, and @slate-creek-dulcimers, for sharing good tunes on our favorite instrument.


updated by @dusty-turtle: 03/26/22 04:58:52PM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/26/22 04:18:38PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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My online dulcimer club met today. We were over 20, and several mentioned that they had already posted something for IADD. We played 5 songs together: Green Grow the Lilacs, Harlequein Air, Marche Nuptiale, Rickett's Hornpipe, and Southwind. 

And separately I also posted a cover of a Lucinda Williams tune: Lake Charles .

Here's a screen shot one of the participants sent me:

Happy IAD DayappreciatingDusty.jpg


updated by @dusty-turtle: 03/26/22 04:52:49PM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/26/22 11:51:32AM
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Steve Eulberg in Concert March 31st


Single-Instructor workshops, band & house concerts, Club activities, monthly Jams

I'll be there, Steve.  Is it true there's a two-drink minimum at this venue?dancecool

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/25/22 03:38:16PM
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capo to Em


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hey Carolyn, the standard for fret numbers with a capo on a dulcimer is that all the frets retain their original number except for the one with the capo.  So if you capo at 1, that capo-ed fret is referred to as 0, but the next one up is 2 and then 3.  If you capo at 4, that fourth fret becomes 0 and the next one up is 5 and then 6.

This is different than guitars and banjos, which causes a lot of confusion. At least it did for me when I first started on the dulcimer.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/25/22 12:29:52PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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It's so cool that this is taking off.  Tull Glazener will be posting as well and just sent out an email with @steve-c's poster and offering tab for an original composition, available only on IADD!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/25/22 10:29:23AM
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How to Read tab for Shady Grove


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@Strumelia, don't you mean Suzette should tune to DAC?  Your link mentions "aeolian," after all.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/24/22 07:37:18PM
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How to Read tab for Shady Grove


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Suzette, in the drone style, you never fret the bass or middle strings. They are always left to drone, and you will play the melody on the melody string.

You will sometimes run across tablature that places the melody across all the strings.  That tab is just not for you, so ignore it.  But whenever the melody can be played solely on the melody string, you can ignore the chording indications on the bass and middle strings. Over time you'll discover that a lot of traditional tunes sound great in that style, but some more modern pieces don't.

Make sure you join the Old Style Noter & Drone Group . You'll find lots of guidance there. 

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/24/22 07:20:21PM
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How to Read tab for Shady Grove


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This is not the easiest tab to read, so don't feel bad.

The song is given in two sections.  In each there are three lines.  The top line refers to the bass string. The second to the middle string.  And the bottom line to the melody string.  So in that first section, you start by playing 1-1-1, meaning you fret the first fret on all three strings.  You end that line playing 3-3-5, meaning the third fret on the bass and middle strings and the 5th fret on the melody string.

However, if you are a beginner or if you want to play in the traditional drone style, tune DAC and only play the bottom line (melody string) of each section, letting the bass and middle strings drone.

The description on the page indicates how to read note duration, but if you know the melody, I would just follow the rhythm in your head.

For the record, there are plenty of examples of tab for this song that are easier to follow, so if you can't figure this out, I'm sure people can help you find other tab to use.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/23/22 01:01:55PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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To explain the confusion, I turned Leo's Word file into a pdf and posted it in his thread.  I was trying to be helpful smile , but this appears to have caused enormous confusionshrugger .  Just call me an agitator nahnah (or maybe a gremlin).


updated by @dusty-turtle: 03/23/22 01:04:32PM
Dusty Turtle
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03/23/22 01:46:27AM
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Strings for banjammer


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Hi Linda.  Congratulations on your new hybrid baby.

By all means, put steel strings on the banjammer.  I would offer to do that for you, but if you sent it to me you might never get it back!  Those gauges you list are about right.  You can buy them at any guitar shop.

If the floating bridge is in the right place now, then just change one string at a time without moving the bridge.  If it's not, then my suggestion is to put on the middle string first and adjust that one.  Guess where the bridge should be and tune up the middle string using a tuner.  Then fret that string at the 7th fret, which should be about halfway between the nut and the bridge. You should get an octave. If it's off, you need to adjust the bridge by moving it further from the nut if the octave was sharp and closer to the nut if it was flat.  Once you have the middle string done, do the same for one of the other strings, but this time instead of moving the entire bridge to adjust it, angle it, keeping the middle of the bridge where it was when you set the middle string.

This sounds harder than it is. Just take your time and use your head and you can figure it out.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/22/22 04:59:55PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Hey Gregg, I'm glad to hear there will be a live celebration of the first annual International Dulcimer Day! Make sure you take a picture or maybe a video and share it with us.
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/17/22 03:49:35AM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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The IADD stickers arrived today. The coloring came out significantly darker than I had expected, but they're perfectly fine otherwise.  The yellow lettering is easy to read against the background, but you have to look closely to see that the background shows the soundholes and fretboard of a dulcimer.

If anyone wants one (or a few), contact me by PM.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/14/22 01:35:56AM
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Hearts of the Dulcimer podcast in 2022


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I am looking forward to the latest episode, Patricia. joyjoy

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/09/22 03:28:29AM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Of course, @robin-thompson.  I'm sharing the image specifically so that others might make use of it.


updated by @dusty-turtle: 03/09/22 03:29:04AM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/08/22 05:37:06PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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I just ordered some square stickers using this design. Shipping costs may prevent me from sending them around to everyone, but feel free to download the image yourselves.


IADD for stickers.jpg IADD for stickers.jpg - 144KB

updated by @dusty-turtle: 03/09/22 03:28:47AM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/08/22 10:49:41AM
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Looking for a Small Dulcimer


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I have one of Ron Ewing's baritone dulcimettes and I absolutely love it.  Tight construction, low action, crisp, clear sound.  However, it is tuned usually to G or A rather than D, and the VSL is only about 21 inches, so it may not be perfect for this case.  That's why I recommended a McSpadden Ginger.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/08/22 01:37:29AM
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Looking for a Small Dulcimer


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

The McSpadden Ginger is the obvious choice.  The VSL is just over 23 inches.  McSpadden will set it up either to tune like a standard dulcimer to the key of D or a 4th or 5th higher to G or A.

Susie mentioned the " Little Dulcimers Little List " that I put together several years ago. It needs to be updated, since some of those luthiers are no longer active and there may be some new kids in town.  But it's still a good place to start.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/06/22 02:16:00PM
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Fret necessary?


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Randy makes a good point.  Diatonic frets create bumps just as much as chromatic frets do, and decent noter players seem to adjust just fine.

When you slide with a finger--which flatpickers and chorders do all the time--those bumps also exist.  But what's cool about the technique is that our ears play a trick on us. Instead of hearing each of the notes that correspond to each fret, our ears hear those slides as genuine slides, filling in all the microtones as thought there were no frets at all.  That is why a hammer-on sounds so different than a slide.  For example, when you slide from 3 to 4 and when you hammer on from three to four, you are just playing two notes.  But when you slide, our ears hear an infinite number of tones in between those two.  (Having said all this, one can slide in a precise and deliberate manner to approximate the sound of a hammer-on or pull-off, but now we're getting into nerdy nuances.)

As a flatpicking and chording player, I use extra frets all the time and wouldn't want it any other way.  But I understand the history of the instrument and respect deeply those who play truly diatonic instruments in the traditional ways.  That alone is a reason not to add extra frets.  The argument about "bumps" is less convincing to me, for I think you can adjust when you want to slide over the frets you don't need in a particular passage.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/05/22 10:12:02PM
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Fret necessary?


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Steven, if you plan to play traditional music on the dulcimer in the traditional drone style, you don't need a 6+ fret.  You will get used to re-tuning your melody string to get the appropriate mode for each song.

If you plan to play modern music, if you plan to play chords, and even if you just plan to play a lot of tablature written by others, you will probably want the 6+ fret, which has been standard for about 50 years now.

So is it important?  No.  But you might want it.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
03/01/22 12:03:01AM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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FOTMD member @david-bennett is the one who maintains that heritage dulcimer material, and he provides links to the relevant pages in the Mountain Dulcimer History and Traditions Group.  I would encourage everyone to join that group and give that compelling stuff a read, not only in March but all year long.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
02/27/22 07:03:38PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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OK, here's the latest version using @leo-kretzner's photo.  I had some square stickers made of something else a while back, and I as soon as I can get a discounted rate, I'll have some of these printed up.


square IADD with yellow letters.jpg square IADD with yellow letters.jpg - 138KB
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
02/27/22 02:43:29PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Yes, Leo, the other photo is one of my own.  It's a John Stockard baritone.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
02/27/22 02:15:59PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Here's another potential sticker.  Still playing around with the possibilities.


IADD on Stockard with red lettering.jpg IADD on Stockard with red lettering.jpg - 121KB
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
02/27/22 02:09:51PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Leo, I stole the image from among your soundhole photos,  It was made by James A. Tranthum.

I changed the coloring and some other details, but it was pretty red in your original.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
02/27/22 01:02:45PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Yeah, we should probably get @leo-kretzner's permission before we start circulating that pic.  I'm trying to come up with something that can easily be made into a sticker or slapped onto a website.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
02/27/22 12:54:29PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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It's good to know word is getting out there!   Here's another simple image some folks might like.

IADD bleeding heart more square with hashtags.jpg

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