odd tuning problem
Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions
Irene-
Hi Linda, welcome!
Hey you might want to re-evaluate that Tignor- some folks collect them and if it's in decent shape it could be a good player!
I hear you about the too-many-hobbies/interests thing.
If you think you'll be tuning mostly to DAA or CGG, then it makes sense to get melody and middle strings that are all the same gauges. However if you will mostly be tuning in DAd or CGc, then get the set with the middle string slightly heavier than the melody string (since it will be tuned lower than the middle string, not the same).
That a creative work is over 50 years old does not mean it is public domain material. Further research and confirmation is necessary for each author and even for each work. Many deceased writers and musicians have some of their work in public domain and other work still under copyright because the rights were acquired or maintained by others.
Definitions can be tricky. When i think of a "tune" that means a melody or piece of music without words/lyrics, written by a composer/musician. When I hear the term "song" I think of words set to music, written by a songwriter. Thus, if someone says they 'wrote a song', most folks take that to mean they wrote/composed the lyrics and the melody. When using work from literary authors, one should be careful in defining or describing the resulting product, and of course copyright status of the authors' work must be researched as well.
Thank you Jan for making us aware of John's passing. John Wood was a volunteer 'greeter' of new members here on FOTMD for several years, making hundreds of new members feel welcome. I'm glad he was able to enjoy his music and being here with us in this dulcimer community. He will be missed.
The Room reminds me of Myst. Which my whole family was hooked on about 18 years ago. But I suspect the Room is a shortened experience....solve puzzles in mysterious 'worlds', houses, ruins, and environments on your own...explore odd things and put together clues from various locations to eventually unlock the secrets. I used to love Myst, but I just have less patience nowadays i think. lol
It might help a bit to put on a slightly thinner gauge of strings. Heavy strings will be at higher tension/stiffer and will tend to 'bend' the sound just a bit when fretted down, even if the string is perfectly in tune when played open.
What gauge of strings are you using now and what is your instrument's scale length (from nut to bridge)? Is the action high?
Can you use an electronic tuner to test each string?- make sure the open string is in tune, then test each fretted note on that string, trying to use the same light pressure to fret it. If all strings are sharp or flat on the same frets, then the fret placement may be off. If however there is one or more strings that are perfectly in tune on every fret, then it points to a string issue that likely can be lessened by changing string gauge or playing action.
Welcome Claud!
If you click on the "Forums" link along the top of any page, you'll see we have forums that focus on various subjects. I'd suggest you make a new discussion in this forum: http://fotmd.com/forums/forum/instruments-discussing-specific-features-luthiers-instrument-problems-questions and put Pyle's name in the thread subject line. That way, more folks will see it and possibly someone will have more info for you about it.
Did you look on the INSIDE of the dulcimer for any labels with maker info? I ask that because it's possible the taped on label in your photo was the name of the dulcimer's owner, not the person who actually made it.
Lisa...cool beans on the 3 black cats! We have our big greyboy Teddy, our big redboy Rufus, and our graceful modest brown tabby girl Sheba. (all three from the local shelter)
Rock star, hahah... well I'm getting a bit long in the tooth to be in that category. But I'm sorry to have caused that you to need to explain it to folks repeatedly.
Funny thing is, last few times i was at a dulcimer festival and a couple other music fests, nobody asked me nothin'. Go figure. lol
Cecil Sharp's book of Appalachian ballads collected around 1910 contain many many regional versions of Barbara Allen- more versions in fact than of any other ballad he and his assistant collected. The ballad was very popular and the versions can sound very different from each other, even back then. I'd wager that multiple versions came over here from Europe and were different regionally there as well even before they got here. We're talking 1600s and 1700s now.
"Every so often I have to explain to people that yes, I am a dulcimer-playing Lisa on the internet, but not the one you had in mind " :)
Lisa, is that really true?
I do remember some years back when a new member was applying to join FOTMD and had picked the username "Strumella". It surprised me, and I felt it would be way too confusing for everyone. I asked her if she wouldn't mind terribly picking some other name instead, which she graciously did. Now I can't remember what else she picked or if she's still here. I felt a little embarrassed at the time because it sounded kinda like I had a big ego, but I really just thought it would lead to people asking her for site help and endlessly getting all confused. lol
Lisa, is Nick a grey cat or a black one? -I've sometimes wondered. Hard to tell from the vintage-y photo. I have a beautiful grey boy cat named Teddy. :)
Mary, just to clarify- you are perhaps thinking LisaGolladay's post was written by me? ...but 'tis not so.
Speaking of slip jigs...here is a friend of mine Mark Weems on his gourd banjer playing a lovely slip jig published in 1782 from Virginia....
Personally, I believe that yes, instruments with wooden sound boxes will tend to sound better, more resonant if they are played a lot, as opposed to new or long stored instruments. The amount of change would naturally be quite varied....from almost nothing to something pretty noticeable...and depending on the listeners sensitivity as well.
I think the term myth implies that it is incorrect, whereas theory implies it's something that has yet to be proved right or wrong. So in this case I'd refer to it as a theory rather than a myth.
Mary, the genre of old ballads referred to were largely either brought to America from England..Ireland..Scotland, or derived from those ballads, back in the 1800s, 1700s and earlier. They were traditionally sung without instrumental accompaniment, and the singer sang in a storytelling manner that often had irregular timing, gapped scales, and other very individualized and archaic characteristics typical of that style of singing.
When guitars were introduced into general use around the turn of the century and popular music began to be produced and more available later via radio and 78s, there was a new commercial and popular market for this 'mountain folks' music. But people wanted it to have chord or guitar accompaniment, and to generally be more 'accessible' to listen to as MUSIC...not simply as a sung story. A Capella sounded to raw and unfinished to most people after 1900. Guitars were generally used to 'fill in the music'. Singer guitar players who were not familiar with a Capella trad ballads almost universally straightened out the timing, unified any odd mode changes, eliminated accidentals and 'in between' notes, and generally made the ballads conform to modern music listener expectations. They made the ballads sound 'prettier' because that's what people wanted...not some odd sounding archaic piece you couldn't tap your foot to.
People like Joan Baez and Jean Ritchie either grew up in the old ballad tradition or else made a study of it...they found the old stylings to be beautiful and compelling, and kept them in their personal interpretations of the ballads, even in their instrumental treatment and timings. Other singers and or musicians embrace the more modern treatment of the old ballads, whether intentionally or by just following their usual approach.
As Rob said, you should do what inspires you personally....there is no 'right' way to play a tune or sing a song...there is just each our own way.
Yeah many of them are missing Jan...but they're not even in the source code so there's nothing I can do to dig them up. (Update: I've deleted a few posts and responses that made no sense since the photos were no longer there) Onward and upward! (or should I say under and backward?)
Here's me in 1997....about 19 years ago....possum on a stump? with my Keith Young curly maple dulcimer that's seen in the fotmd logo. Ah, would that I were still that spry and willowy!
I think of Rod often and fondly, and I truly miss him. Such a kind and thoughtful man... he was deeply dedicated to his family, his music, and to all his many dulcimer friends both old and new. Thanks for the reminder CD, ....and good to see YOU back here again.
Rod's music is still very much worth a listen: http://fotmd.com/rod-westerfield
David, the mostest simple of the simplest tunes for noter playing beginners:
http://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-player.html
After that, move on to Go Tell Aunt Rhody, and then Amazing Grace...ionian DAA tabs are there in my blog as well for those tunes.
So, pay someone to do it!! :)
Yes, definitely!
lol
Hi all,
This is a great subject! - but I feel strongly that it will be more accessible and will benefit everyone in the future as well if it's located in our Dulcimer Therapy Group here: http://fotmd.com/strumelia/group/57/dulcimer-therapy
Unfortunately, I cannot move a discussion from a Forum to a Group, so I'm going to close this discussion to new replies and I'd like to ask SaltSprings to please create the discussion anew in the Dulcimer Therapy Group. That way it won't just sink down into oblivion on the General Forum..instead it will be very easily found in the Therapy Group discussions, and will be very helpful to members in the future who are looking for this specific information!
John Henry has posted a beautiful tune tribute, played for John P ....
Update, seven years later (!):
We no longer play at that farmer's market. Right now I gotta say that my favorite place to play is with my husband in our living room in front of the fireplace, whether there's a fire or not. Though we do still enjoy going down to town and occasionally playing under a tree on Main street somewhere...for no particular occasion. We don't put out a hat or case for money -simply to avoid anyone possibly complaining about 'busking'...ha ha!
I just listened to this again Kevin- it's awesome powerful.
As I recall you made this zither for yourself...do you still have it? What was the scale length?
Thought I'd revive this old thread in case some of our newer members wanted to add their own stories of how they first discovered the mountain dulcimer!
You're right Joe- there seems to be a little glitch in moving discussions. I'll look into it!
UPDATE: this has been fixed. This discussion is now in the General forum.
- I moved this discussion from the For Sale forum to the General music forum.
Thanks Dusty, these instructions are very helpful!
First, click the main links to FORUMS, and then choose the Forum that seems most appropriate to your intended subject.
Here's another image showing to click the "+" PLUS button to ADD a NEW discussion when you are in the Forum category of your choice:
If you don't make mistakes, you never learn. You would not be having nearly so much fun if someone had handed you the perfect instrument, two accessories, and taught you to play like Robert Force or Jean Ritchie in one afternoon. The journey matters.
Excellent point Ken. Even professional players never seem to be completely satisfied with their skill level- and that tells us something. To me, it's the ongoing learning and little steps in playing music that both keep my interest and give me a sense of accomplishment. The journey. The rest is simply the joy of making lovely sounds, no matter how simple they are.
It's a little confusing that we have both a Profile page picture and an avatar picture...and they can either be the same or different. On the other hand, it adds variety. :)
Dan, could be you changed the image on your Profile page, but not your actual user avatar.
Go to your profile page Settings and check the avatar image that shows when you go to your "Account" TAB in your settings. Then once that's changed too, SAVE your settings and also clear your browser cache to see the new results.
Every member has both an Account picture and a Profile picture. Oe shows up only on your profile page, and the other shows up next to every post you make. When in your Settings, be sure to go to both TABS and upload your chosen avatar picture: your Account TAB, and your Profile TAB. Also remember to SAVE your changes at the bottom of each page before leaving the page, after uploading your new picture.
Ah! Thank you Randy! I was a bit confused since Robin posted it.
How beautiful! We will all miss John...and as Robin said- Fare Thee Well.
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Fair thee well John P - you are sorely missed.
Robin, did you perchance compose that pretty tune in memory of John Phillips?
It's so pretty to hear you play it!
Patty's right about that, Erin- you can set your video to private, semi-private, or public on Youtube, but you won't be able to have it selectively view-able to only certain people here on FOTMD- it has to be set to public if you add it here on FOTMD. I'm talking about if you want it to be in our site's general Video section.
Adding audio/music files to FOTMD Music section:
1) upload either an MP3 (and if it's too large a message will say so)
OR 2) Add it as a Soundcloud clip. (you have a Soundcloud account where you've already uploaded your audio clips) -Soundcloud is like Youtube but for audio clips.
Adding a video to FOTMD video section:
1) Follow the instructions to add a YOUTUBE video that you've already uploaded onto your Youtube account.
2) OR... Follow the instructions to add a VIMEO video that you've already uploaded onto your Vimeo account.
Note- you can upload an MP3 directly from your computer to the Music section. You cannot upload a video directly from your computer to the video section.
This kid is as cute as a button!
(and she grew up into a popular and talented country musician)
Gotta love it...
I have been contacted by a good friend of his and by his son, and I've been asked to share the very, very sad news that John Phillips (FOTMD member John P ) has passed away unexpectedly at home from a heart episode.
John has been an active and respected member both here on Friends of the Mountain Dulcimer and on Everythingdulcimer for many years. His amazing musical knowledge, his humor and diplomacy, and his generosity in sharing and helping others has truly enriched the entire dulcimer community. John loved being part of our FOTMD 'family' and his absence will be profoundly felt. My heart is heavy today.
Please share here as we pause to reflect on John and on his family in their time of loss.
This is so cool!
Years ago, I had the typical daydreams about recording CDs or teaching at festivals, etc.... but as time goes by I find more and more enjoyment from just playing at home with my husband, and playing occasionally with a few friends.
Like Robin Thompson, my biggest love is playing home made music at home. I also enjoy the learning process and consider that to be a lifelong pleasure. My husband and I are able to learn a whole lot while playing music together.
I also do enjoy playing occasionally for events in my community- our village's Sidewalk Summerfest, a humane society fundraiser, and next to the Blacksmith/spinning wheel/candlemaking demonstrations in the "Old Timey" pavillion of our County Fair.
I still travel to one far away gathering (before I get too old)...an early banjo one in Virginia or Maryland. I kinda like that one and don't want to give it up just yet.
So, my goal is to continue doing most of the above.
EDIT: I want to add that another goal of mine musically is to be able to stop, or almost stop, working my day job (patent illustration) so I can have more precious time to explore and play and learn more on several different instruments that I would dearly love to get better at playing. I simply don't have enough time while still working every day.
I was just pondering about how we all have many things in common in our love for playing music, and yet we also have a wide variety of goals in our personal musical journeys.
Of course it goes without saying that we all have our own particular fondness of different types of music and different playing styles...but I'm not referring to that.
What I mean is the variety in our music goals- things such as:
I want to become a dulcimer teacher, ...or I want to be able to record some professional CDs one day and sell them, ....or I want to play for hospice situations, ...or I want to play during my church services, ...or I want to just play at home on my porch for an audience of birds, ....or I want to mostly play and socialize in my dulcimer club with dulcimer friends, ...or I want to be able to play with other musicians in a local bluegrass jam, ...or I want to be able to play my mother's dulcimer that she left to me...
Please share with us what your fondest goal is in your personal music journey!