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jost
@jost
08/02/22 10:42:50PM
66 posts

Ionian tuning question


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Well I couldn read music notation either when I started with the dulcimer since I also started with cowboy chords on the guitar.
The good thing is that you don't need this since dulcimer tabulature is so easy to read (just press the noter or finger on the fret number of the indicated string). 

I'm pleased to hear that you are making progress now, happy playing


updated by @jost: 08/02/22 10:43:35PM
jost
@jost
08/02/22 02:18:47PM
66 posts

Removable Magnetic Pickup for Dulcimers


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Another hint concerning the myers pickups/microphones: After a embarassing situation where the pickup didn't work (another open mic at a different location) it turned out that you might need an impedance transformer or a passive DI box to get a signal. I guess the other venue plucked me right into one they had at disposal. The passive DI box also has the advantage that it will shield the mic from any phantom power (which might toast it I guess this happened to my mic because at some point it suddenly didn't worked any more. Thanksfully my german music store has good customer service and just sent me a new one without charge). 

The information is a little bit hidden on the Myers website: 
https://www.myerspickups.com/support




It would be great if they would add a little information paper with stuff like this *sigh*

At least with a passive DI box the replacement mic  finally worked :)
updated by @jost: 08/02/22 02:19:14PM
jost
@jost
08/02/22 02:08:12PM
66 posts

Ionian tuning question


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

In my college days in Germany some fellow students and I  used to have a proverb: "Everything has already been said, but not yet by me" ("Es wurde bereits alles gesagt, aber noch nicht von mir"). It was used to make fun of people who love to hear themselves talk. At the risk of being one here some further thoughts:

First: I agree totally with Ken that you should stop worrying and start playing. I too was quite confused at the beginning  from reading to much about modes/tunings etc pp until I started just playing in Ionian tuning (DAA / CGG). I used tabs from Jean Ritchies Dulcimer book and Gamses "Best dulcimer method yet", later from Strumelias excellent blog.
At some point I wanted to try to play songs in a minor key and just used the given tuning (after some help from this forum). 
Continuing this I ended up playing songs in different tunings for different modes and somehow the whole mode/music theory stuff started to make sense because I heard the musical relation between the different strings. I also started to hear when the tuning sound wrong (still not good enough to tune by ear). 

It just needs time, so stop worrying and start playing. Before I played dulcimer I already messed round with chords on my guitar so I was quite confused by all this theoretical stuff. Why couldn't I just have some chords and started playing?
It got better when I realised, that noter/drone doesn't need chords so is actually easier for beginners but the price is that you need to learn some tunings. 

Second: For actually doing this two other books might be helpful  (they definitively were for me!):
First Neal Hellman's dulcimer chord book. Although it's for chord playing it was a big help for me when I started playing noter/drone. Why? Because he also has a big introduction of the several tunings and modes, something most chord instruction books don't cover. He need to do this however since he also gives chords for different tunings to give his readers and students more options in their repertoire. 
https://gourd.com/Books.html
Another great one is Mark Nelsons collection of dulcimer tabs for old time songs:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34496115-favorite-old-time-american-songs-for-dulcimer 

He also gives a lot of differnet tunings without getting to theoretical. He just says something like: Use this tuning for this song or any other tuning for the mode. 
Although many of the tabs are for chord style there are one for noter/drone too (I learnt The Cuckoo and Wedding dress from his tab). And like Hellman he uses chords for different modes, to give his readers more options. 

Although I'm strictly a noter/drone player I would recommend both books to any beginner (with Jean Ritchies Dulcimer Book and Dulcimer People which you already have) no matter which style they actually want to approach.

Just my two cents.

Best regards, Jost.


updated by @jost: 08/02/22 02:08:47PM
jost
@jost
07/24/22 09:46:12AM
66 posts

Best instruction material?


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

I started with Ritchies Dulcimer Book and would  recommend it to any beginner. 

In my opinion her introduction to Tunings is a good thing behause sticking to one Tuning  will limiting your Musical Repertoire.

For DAA tabs I would recommend Gamses Best Dulcimer Method yet. It‘s for CGG-Tuning, which is DAA just for C.

One caveat though: These are Books for Noter/drone /fingerdancing, so not a big help for Chord playing

jost
@jost
07/16/22 05:16:01PM
66 posts

Switching to Mountain Dulcimer due to guitar playing pain


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions


The style also depends on your instrument and your fingers ( at least in my humble opinion). My dulcimers fretboard is quite narrow thus I plain only noter/drone style ( Sound is great!) since my fingers always touch their neighbour strings. Of course one might argue that the fretboard isn't too narrow but my fingers to thick 😀

I'm saving money for getting another one with a wider fretboard now.

So: If you are interested in a certain style it might be an idea to get an instrument designed for it.

Like Dusty I would suggest to try several style and See what fit's you best.

Just my two Cents 

Btw: I'm playing guitar ( first chord strumming, now mainly finger-picking) too. I switch Instruments when one tires my fingers out too much.


updated by @jost: 07/16/22 05:17:30PM
jost
@jost
06/27/22 06:02:29PM
66 posts

Wanted: Solid Body Electric Dulcimer


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

Fellow fotmd member Martin Oesterle sell solidbodys in his webshop. I don't know whether he ships outside Europe and the shipping costs but asking never hurts:
https://www.dulcimerstore.de/c/dulcimershop/electric-scheitholt
https://www.dulcimerstore.de/c/dulcimershop/electric-dulcimer 

Kens suggestion will be cheaper in any case though

jost
@jost
06/13/22 05:29:10PM
66 posts

Warren May Hourdrop Question


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Concerning the string gauge: Like John pointed out you should be fine. One caveat though: Depending on the strings gauge not every tuning will work because the strings will be too sloppy or break. In my opinion this is not a problem per se: New strings are cheap and you can only learn by experimenting. Just keep always some fresh strings and a string bender ready for quick replacement ;)

jost
@jost
06/13/22 05:25:53PM
66 posts

Warren May Hourdrop Question


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Jean Ritchies Dulcimer book is a good start for noter/drone play. Her book "Dulcimer people" (available used) is also a good one, it even includes instructions for chord play. 
Neal Hellmans Dulcimer Chord book is also a great start for beginners since it also has a lot of explainations for odd tunings/modes even If (like me) you never play chords at all.
I like Mark Nelsons "Favorite Old-Time American Songs for Dulcimer" too, it's a mix of chord and noter/drone style.

Have fun with your dulcimer!

jost
@jost
06/13/22 12:46:57PM
66 posts

Warren May Hourdrop Question


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Congratulations to your new dulcimer. Look like you found a real treasure and bargain

jost
@jost
06/08/22 02:07:15PM
66 posts

Various Tunings


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

@melvoid I just noticed that you play bluegrass banjo and released a method for it. So I have another book recommendation: Mark Nelsons Favorite Old-Time American Songs for Dulcimer https://www.melbay.com/Products/97189EB/favorite-oldtime-american-songs-for-dulcimer.aspx 

It features what the title promises and features around 100 tabs of old time folk songs. Probably you will recognice most of the them, since  some of them are featured in your method too. What I like about this book that it contains tabs for the classic noter/drone playing but also for the modern chord style. So it's quite nice for beginner students which might need some time and experimenting to decide which playing style they prefer. Even better: It features several tunings and explaining them and their use for different keys, even for chord style. This might not sound like a big deal but most chord players and instruction books stick to DAD tuning. Which is just fine (everybody should do what suits them best) but I appreciate  that Mr Nelson give his readers more options. 

There is just one bad thing to say: He also has a kind of little story to every song. In most cases though I think that they are just goofy or too far fetched to be enjoyable. On the other hand I'm German so it might just be my humorlessness genes ;) Otherwise it's a great book and the storys are easy to ignore.

Regards, jost

jost
@jost
06/07/22 05:47:09AM
66 posts

Tull66


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

wally-venable makes a good point with using a tuner to check the freet placing/set up. 

So: If you can check in the store or order online with return policy this should be enough to check the basic playability of the instrument. This is btw a good idea to do in any case, even if the instrument is more expensive or from a renowed builder. You never know how it was stored before ;)

I remembered that this site had a warning against some cheap brands thus I used the search function. 
So for another point of view concerning Apple Creek and two other low level brands:

https://fotmd.com/strumelia/group_discuss/2332/beware-of-internet-ad-sites-of-the-best-dulcimers-to-buy

Of course wally-venables argument for trying Apple Creek with a tuning app/device holds true for these too.

Regards, Jost.

jost
@jost
06/02/22 03:28:53PM
66 posts

Removable Magnetic Pickup for Dulcimers


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

I wonder why the myers pickup didn't work for you. Which model did you try?

I'm quite happy with mine ( great sound and working on my other instruments too):

https://www.myerspickups.com/products/the-grip-flexible-micro-gooseneck

One reason I can imagine : They are real microphones thus feedback might be a problem in some cases ( e.g. in a  band or group setting). In the open mic at the local pub  I frequent I didn't had any issues up to now. I play solo though.

Did you try to contact their support for help or a refund? 

I didn't  need it up to now but read only good things about it.

jost
@jost
06/02/22 02:52:50PM
66 posts

Tull66


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Well according to fotmd and the Facebook groups AppleCreek is something of a lottery. You can end up with a cheap and great sounding instrument but you have also a high chance of getting expensive firewood. I wouldn't risk my bucks for it.

So I would also suggest a kit by Folkcraft or some other renowed builder.

If I would be living in the USA a cardboard md would have been my first Instrument.

The shipping costs to Germany were to expensive so I ended up with an nice instrument by a local builder.

Just my two Cents, your mileage may vary

jost
@jost
04/28/22 06:25:56AM
66 posts

baritone guitar


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Thanks for the explanation Dusty, so any guitar could be retuned like this? The Sound is lovely


updated by @jost: 04/28/22 09:09:02AM
jost
@jost
04/27/22 11:54:49AM
66 posts

baritone guitar


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

What's the difference to a normal guitar? The tuning?


updated by @jost: 04/27/22 11:55:14AM
jost
@jost
04/19/22 07:45:44PM
66 posts

Various Tunings


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Strumelia:

If you are at the stage where you want to experiment just a bit but don't quite understand all the details yet, then you can stay with your first familiar tuning, OR play with DAd and DAA both, OR you can dip your toe in the water by adding a third tuning- I'd suggest DAC, for playing the beautiful lonesome sounding Aeolian mode tunes like Shady Grove or Cluck Old Hen or Pretty Saro.



Isn't Pretty Saro a tune in ionian mode? I know you are a lot better and more experienced player than me I'm just bewildered since Jean Ritchies Dulcimer book claim it's ionian. On the other hand the table of contents claimed that Bachelor's Hall is a mixolydian tune while it's in fact a Dorian one. I'm puzzled since in the actual text and tabs the mode of Bachelor's Hall is dorian (which is the correct one). Thus I accepted that the table of contents might have errors but the tabs and actual text not. The tab says that Pretty Saro is in ionian mode . And it works pretty well for me in DAA or CGG ioinian tunings (imho it sounds better in C but this is just a matter of taste and personal preference).

As I said I don't want to be a smart ass I'm just curious whether there is another way to play the tune in a different mode I'm not aware of.
jost
@jost
04/19/22 07:38:27PM
66 posts

Various Tunings


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Many good answers already. I will just add something to confuse you even more

You asked for the GDG tuning. This is (in theory) the same tuning like DAD (mixoyldian mode) just for the key of G. There is a catch though. Depending on the VSL of the dulcimer the bass string might break if you try to tune it to this. 
For such cases there are the so called reverse tunings which change the key of the bass and middle string. Thus GDG gets DGG, GDD (G ionian) gets DGD, GDC (G dorian) gets DGC etc. It works quite well and might be of interest when playing something in the coresponding key. 

As introduction I highly recommend Neal Hellmanns Dulcimer Chord book which has a great introduction to the modes and tunings. I don't even play any chords (strictly noter/drone player on my Dulcimer, if I want to play chords I pick up my guitar) but would recommend this book to any dulcimer beginner (noter/drone or chords) because of the good introduction to the modes.

Another unorthodox way to tune are the so called bagpipe or unison tunings: They are mainly used for mixolydian mode. The idea is to tune the middle and melody strings like the Bass just one octave higher. Thus for D mixolydian the bagpipe tuning would be tuned like this: Tune the dulcimer to DAD. Tune midlde string from A to the same pitch as the melody strings. 
It works great for mixolydian tunes like Old Joe Clark, Going to boston etc. It's also nice to take tabulature for DAD (or another mixolydian tuning) and try it out in a bagpipe tuning: London Bridge, Mary had a little lamb, Brother Jacob and other nursery rhymes just get a lot more interesting just by changing the pitch of the middle string ;)
 Hellmann's Dulcimer Chord book and Jean Ritchies book "Dulcimer people" both have a section by Holly Tannen where she propagates these unison/bagpipe tunings for jam sessions with fiddlers/guitarists etc especially Irish music.


Stuff like these is part of the reason I love the dulcimer so much: Even as somebody who never had a real musical education (my last music theory lesson I had at school when I was twelve years old and I forgot everything) you get a basic introduction just by having fun with the instrument. 

I hope I didn't add to much confusion :)

jost
@jost
04/09/22 01:06:20PM
66 posts

12 String Guitar


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Yes I know both ( Leadbelly and Leo Kottke), alas my capabilities are not so high.

Lol@Pete Seeger quote :D

jost
@jost
04/08/22 05:08:42PM
66 posts

12 String Guitar


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Dusty Turtle:

Just noticed this post, @jost.  How's the 12-string been treating you?  I have a 12-string guitar made in Canada by Seagull that I bought several years ago, just before I discovered the dulcimer.  It's fun to play something with such a full sound, isn't it?




Well up to now I didn't have much time for music since my last post here due to the workload on my employer. Now I'm on a two week vacation so more time for music :D
The full sound is really the nice thing, same why I prefer playing with two melody strings on the dulcimer and what I love about my Hummel.

Ken Hulme:

I don't play, but have several friends and bandmates who play 12 strings, and I know 3 players of 24 and 30 string Harp Guitars -- talk about "full sound"!"

Hollar when you're ready, Jost, and I'll build you the dulcimer equivilent -- 9 strings (3 courses of three strings each), on a 3" deep x 9" wide body, 27" VSL, with a double-back like a Galax.




Yeah I knew of harp guitars. They are heavily used in Viennas "Schrammel Music" (named after Schrammel brothers who popularized these in Viennas wine pubs at the end of 19th century):


As far I know you can get them only custom built so for the moment out of my financial and musical capabilities. 
Interesting enough there used to be a so called "Bass lute" which was basically a lute guitar with extra bass strings: 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Basslaute


Concerning the dulcimer equivalent: I already own a eight stringed hummel ;) And I fear the transatlantic shipment costs from your place to mine would cost more than the actual instrument. A more radical "12 stringed dulcimer" would be the hungarian zither the maker of my Dulcimer offers them too (with 19 strings!): 
https://www.klangwerkstatt.de/ungarische-zither 

Ken Longfield:

I didn't notice this post before either. My only experience with at 12 string guitar was a Yamaha that a college roommate owned. I played around with it some, but I never got into it. That was over 50 years ago. I do like the sound of a 12 string, but it is not something I enjoy playing.




An understandable sentiment. I love finger-style guitar (listening and playing) and this is just not possible for me with the 12 string. On the other hand the 12 string is great for songs with heavy strumming (Eg Star of the county down, The Blacksmith etc).
jost
@jost
04/08/22 04:56:37PM
66 posts

Composition in G minor


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Do you have a sheet? I think a G minor tuning might work for Noter/Drone playing and would like to try this. Since you clearly want to play with chords this is propably not of much help to you though.
And thanks for the youtube recommendation: It's a lovely tune.

jost
@jost
02/22/22 06:20:55PM
66 posts

Steeleye Span with electric dulcimer on Germans TV 70s show


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Frank Dudgeon:

Thank you so much for posting this.  I was lucky to see Steeleye Span a couple of times "back in the day" when they were in their prime, when I lived in Boston, Massachusetts.  Fantastic video.




I envy you. The current lineup is still quite a great live band as far I can tell from youtube although Tim Harts Dulcimer and Peter Knights fiddle are surely missed. 

Their new fiddler Jessie Mae Smart is a great fiddler in her own right though. And the "young blood" (not only her, there are others as well) gives some nice changes to the sound even without Dulcimer ;)
 


Peter Knight now concentrates on his gigspinner projects where he combines folk tunes with afro beat, see this incredible rendition of "The King of the fairies":


Enjoy, Jost.


jost
@jost
02/21/22 02:32:28PM
66 posts

Steeleye Span with electric dulcimer on Germans TV 70s show


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

The TV show Rockpalast is still running today. It was started in Germanys public radio/tv WDR (Westgerman Broadcasting Westdeutscher Rundfunk) in the 1970s. Every episode features another show from a band/single artist. Most of the times they were actual live shows  other times (like this Steeleye Span show) they were recorded "live" in the studio.

For real live shows they often recorded them in the Dortmund Westphalenhalle since the WDR is located in Cologne. Both cities (Dortmund and Cologne) are large citys in the state   North Rhine-Westphalia. 
The Westphalenhalle used to be quite popular as venue for big names of show buisness. 

Youtube has a lot of these shows although mainly all kinds of Rock music.

So looking for Rockpalast episodes will often lead to live material with good audio/video quality :)

jost
@jost
02/20/22 06:08:20PM
66 posts

My frisian Hummel


Adventures with 'other' instruments...


Hi everybody,

I already posted about it in the "Dulcimer ancestors group" last summer . I now manged to record a little demo so I will repost here now:

Quote:

When I visited my parents (they live in East Frisia near the town of Norden) some weeks ago  I bought an eight-stringed  frisian hummel from fellow FOTMD member Wilfried Ulrich. He is an outstanding artisan and showed me also his other instruments (including several hummels, epinettes, monochords, dulcimers and bowed dulcimers (one even with sympathetic strings!). If you ever visit Northern Germany try to arrange a visit and shopping at his place, you will not be disappointed:
http://www.ulrich-instrumente.de/


I also purchased Wilfrieds book about the history of the hummel, his instruction book and several collections of hummel tabulature. According to him the tabs should also work on a dulcimer.

Since then I try to play the hummel. It's big fun but also quite challenging in it's own. 
The fretboard is much wider than on my dulcimer and covers four strings. So I could even use it for learning dulcimer chord playing.  That's the nice part. 
Wilfried recommends in his instruction book to learn a kind of fingerdancing style. The benefit is, of course, that you can play notes on the other strings. I will need some time for it though since I play my MD only with the noter. So finger dancing  is a challenge, but a welcome one!
The other challenge  is to get the right strumming pattern to play all strings (including the four drones without fret board) without sounding bad or eleminating the melody strings. On my dulcimer I use the thumb for strumming from the melody strings to the drones and the HEDIM pick for playing from the drones to the melody strings. On the hummel you start always with the melody strings  and play the drones just when they fit in (usually at the beginning of a bar). So this is a change as well. 



Up to now I didn't manage to get the fingerdancing right or do some chord playing.

Playing droner/note style works great though although there is still room for improvement. 

I recorded one instrumental verse of the German folk song "Wenn alle Brünnlein fließen" based on the tab I posted here so you might get an idea of the sound


Photos can be found on my profile page

I remember we have some more members who play this beautiful instrument (Luigi, Gregg Schneemann etc). What are your experiences with it?  How do you approach the playing style (aka strumming pattern/finger dancing/noter drone)?

Best regards, Jost.
jost
@jost
02/20/22 05:07:04PM
66 posts

12 String Guitar


Adventures with 'other' instruments...


Hello everybody,

some weeks ago I saw an interesting ad in Facebook: A gentleman offered to sale his fender 12 string guitar for 50% of the original price. Since this sounded to good to be true I googled the model.

It turned out to be a "signature model" of some punk musician (thus kind of silly "evil" "Hellcat" and "Skull" inlays). Although the inlays are debatable the reviewers agreed that the sound has much value for money. 

And it has a pickup included. 

So I wrote the owner a message I would be interesting to try it. 

From the first sound I was hooked. He explained to me that he had a kind of serios "Guitar acquisition syndrome" (I feel with him) and needs to downsize his collection. 
Good for me, I ended with a great sounding fender twelve strings guitar:

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Better quality pictures on my profile page.

And a demo recording so you might get an idea of the sound:




What I like is that just with pick and a simple strumming pattern one can create quite great sounding music. 
Finger-Picking is a lot harder though expect your name is Leo Kottke
What are your experiences with twelve string guitars ?

Regards, Jost.
updated by @jost: 02/20/22 05:51:54PM
jost
@jost
02/19/22 03:58:49PM
66 posts

Steeleye Span with electric dulcimer on Germans TV 70s show


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hello,

somebody posted this in one of Facebooks dulcimer/Steeleye Span groups. Great sound and video quality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHuI-2YYG8 

Enjoy, Jost

jost
@jost
01/17/22 04:40:03PM
66 posts

Playing Slurs


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Do you have a sheet for the tune? Which Mode / Tuning do you try?

jost
@jost
10/26/21 05:28:23PM
66 posts

Song(s) for retirement


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Well in the end it turned out my musical skills are not enough to learn a new song in such a short time. Since I already can play it on the guitar I took my guitar to my coworkers farewell event. Even without the dulcimer he was quite happy about it and we had a nice farewell party. 

Thanks for your input, I guess I will practice the song the next months so I can play it on new years evening :)

jost
@jost
10/19/21 06:41:53PM
66 posts

Auld lang syne


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs


Hello everybody,

here is a tab for playing Auld Lang Syne in DAA tuning in noter/drone style. Thumbstrum might work too. 

For the tune I used the version in Peter Burschs 1970s songbook "Das Folkbuch". Since the tune sounds like most versions I'm aware of it should be safe regarding copyright. 

For the lyrics I used the German wikipedia.

Happy droning, Jost.


Auld_Lang_Syne.pdf - 45KB
jost
@jost
10/18/21 03:19:33PM
66 posts

Song(s) for retirement


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thanks Ken, he does the same thing as I: Maintaining Linux servers :) 

Thanks for the referece to Morgenrot but I think I'll stick with Auld Lang Syne. Finding the  three tunes and unterstanding their differences are a bit of hassle tbh. There are versions with 2/4, 3/4 or 4/4 rythm. 
Then they tend to be in different keys and  different notes as well krazyhair
Last but not least it's nearly impossible to find a tab-file to use MuseScores3 "dulcimer tab conversion". Guess I will have to do the tab by myself from the version in Peter Burschs (German guitar teacher and author) songbook "Folkbuch". 

I can already play Burschs tab on the guitar, so I have a reference how it should sound. And I have a combined guitar/dulcimer tab for usage with my brothers and mother. 

Best regards, Jost

jost
@jost
10/18/21 06:17:12AM
66 posts

Song(s) for retirement


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions


Hello everybody,

one of my coworkers has his last working day next week. We will have a little farewell party. 

I'm thinking to play something for him. Sadly I don't know any song that would be fitting. 

Do you have any ideas and tabs? Song should be easy to learn and for noter/drone playing. 

One idea of mine is auld long syne but otherwise I'm lost.

Best regards, Jost.

jost
@jost
10/17/21 12:51:51PM
66 posts

German folk song tabs


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Another lovely song from the Zupfgeigenhansl is this one "Dunkle Wolk". Originally it was a song of traveling journeymen. Most verses were lost for a long time thus Hans Breuer assumed it was about the thirty year's year since his source was a print of the first verse from 1646. He wrote a second verse and added a third from a song of moravian journeymen thus creating the most known version today. This version was recorded by Hamburg folk group Liederjan in the 1970s . Another version was made by singer/songwriter Hannes Wader. A quite nice touch is in the version of actor/singer Manfred Krug with lute accompiement.

I used the tune printed in the songbook "Kein schöner Land in dieser Zeit" of Thomas Friz and Erich Schmeckenbecher. The tune is identical to Breuers version, they give some different chords for the guitar though. Since the tune is the traditional tune they might be typos or other errors. 

Tuning is DAg or any other dorian tuning (CGF,DGC etc)
As with "Wenn alle Brünnlein fließen" I still have to practice so no sound file at the moment.

Have fun :)


Dunkle_Wolk-fotmd.pdf - 49KB

updated by @jost: 10/17/21 12:52:05PM
jost
@jost
10/17/21 09:24:43AM
66 posts

German folk song tabs


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Here is the variant with the changes by Friz/Schmeckenbecher, dear moderators please remove if you consider the legal risk to high. 


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updated by @jost: 10/17/21 09:34:36AM
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10/17/21 09:22:52AM
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German folk song tabs


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Hello everybody,

some might remember I tried to arrange transsylvanian saxons folk song "Klein wild vögelein" for mountain dulcimer. In the end it didn't worked out so I'm still playing it on guitar.

In the process however I discovered some other German folk songs who work a lot better. Although I still need to practice them (so no sound files at the moment) I'm ready to upload my tabs now. 
One caveat though: Although I think the songs are in public domain it might be they are actually not. I took versions from several songbooks. Although the songs are traditional the tune in the song books might be a newer arrangement. I'll flag these versions so moderators might remove them, if they feel that they are not ok.

The first song i want to provide you with is the charming love song "Wenn alle Brünnlein" fließen. 
There are several great recordings, one by German folk duo Zupfgeigenhansl:

Zupfgeigenhansl-Wenn alle Brünnlein fließen

They changed the tune a little bit to fit the mandolin accompaniment of Erich Schmeckenbecher. 

Austrian-American Singer Martha Schlamme recorded it with Pete Seeger on Banjo:
Martha Schlamme/Pete Seeger-Wenn alle Brünnlein fließen

Seeger also did it in a concert in East Berlin, there is a nice video of his performance (including audience partizipation ;))

The songs lyrics are like this: 

1. Wenn alle Brünnlein fließen, / so muss man trinken, / wenn ich mein Schatz nicht rufen darf, / tu ich ihm winken, / wenn ich mein Schatz nicht rufen darf, / ju ja, rufen darf, / tu ich ihm winken.

2. Ja, winken mit den Äugelein / und treten auf den Fuß! / 's ist eine in der Stube drin, / die meine werden muss, /  's ist eine in der Stube drin, / ju ja, Stube drin, / die meine werden muss.

3. Warum sollt sie's nicht werden, / ich hab sie ja so gern; / sie hat zwei braune Äugelein, / die leuchten wie zwei Stern', /  sie hat zwei braune Äugelein, / ju ja, Äugelein, / die leuchten wie zwei Stern'.

4. Sie hat zwei rote Wängelein, / sind röter als der Wein; / ein solches Mädel find'st du nicht / wohl unterm Sonnenschein. / Ein solches Mädel find'st du nicht / ju ja, find'st du nicht, / wohl unterm Sonnenschein.

5. So herzlich wie mein Lieselein / ist keine auf der Welt, / vom Köpfchen bis zum Füßelein / ist alles wohl bestellt. /    Vom Köpfchen bis zum Füßelein / ju ja, Füßelein, / ist alles wohl bestellt.

6. Ach herzger Schatz, ich bitte dich, / ach, lass mich gehen! / Denn deine Leut die schmähen mich, / ich muss mich schämen. /    Denn deine Leut die schmähen mich, / ju ja, schmähen mich, / ich muss mich schämen.

7. Was frag ich nach den Leuten, / die mich tun schmähen? / Ich liebe ja ganz ewiglich / dies schöne Mädchen! /    Ich liebe ja ganz ewiglich / ju ja, ewiglich / dies schöne Mädchen!


A rough English translation provided by deepl:
1. When all the fountains are flowing, / you have to drink, / if I'm not allowed to call my sweetheart / I'll wave at it, / 
if  I'm not allowed to call my sweetheart, l'll wave at it.
2. Ses, wave with the eyes / and step on the foot! / There's one in the parlor, / that must become mine, / 
There's one in the parlor,  in the parlor, / that must become mine.
3. Why shouldn't she be, / I like her so much, / she has two brown eyes, / that shine like two stars, / 
she has two brown eyes, / that shine like two stars.
4. She has two red cheeks, / redder than the wine; / you won't find such a girl / under the sunshine. /
 you won't find such a girl   under the sunshine.
5. As hearty as my Lieselein / is none in the world, / from the head to the feet / everything is well ordered. / 
From the little head to the little feet / ju ja, little feet /  everything is well ordered.
6. Oh dear darling, I beg you, / oh, let me go! / For your people revile me, / I must be ashamed. / 
For your people revile me, / yes, revile me, / I must be ashamed.
7. What do I ask of the people who revile me? / I love forever / this beautiful girl! / I love forever / yes, forever / this beautiful 


The most prominent version was collected by German folklorist Hans Breuer in his book "Der Zupfgeigenhansl" in 1910, which features just the first four verses. The verses 5-7 are regional variants collected by the Bavarian folk art center of the states government.

Since Breuer was killed in action in world war 1 it's safe to assume that his version is in public domain now. 
Thus I will add it as attachment to his post.

Thomas Fritz and Erich Schmeckenbecher founded the folk group "Zupfgeigenhansel" (obviouvsly a reference to Breuers collection) in the 1970s. They took several songs from Breuers and other folklorists songbooks. Sometimes (when the tune got lost) they made up their own tune or changed it to better fit their style. They also published song books with their versions. I also adopted their versions (they mainly changed the D7 chords to D, propably  for the mandolin) but I'm not sure whether it's considered fair use or not. Thus I will upload it in a answer, so it can be removed if a moderator has obligations. 

You can use any ionian tuning for Noter/Drone playing. The original key is G-major thus I use DGd-tuning on my Dulcimer and the G ionian tuning on my hummel. Up to now my playing is not fit for recording. 

Have fun and best regards, Jost
Edit: Fixed some wrong chords.


Wenn_alle_Bruennlein_fliessen (breuer).pdf - 29KB

updated by @jost: 10/17/21 09:35:08AM
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08/09/21 05:37:35PM
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That's a beauty. The bridge reminds me of bowed dulcimers or cellos. Maybe the builder was inspired by them?

I wish you big suchen with your move and building the dulcimer case.

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The link leads to an "online casino", are you sure it's correct?


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Yeah some of my friends got their shots too, so we are looking forward for meeting the first time after one year.

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Got my Johnson & Johnson shot today. Up to now without side effects.

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Making a dulcimer humidity resistant?


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I agree with Lisa and Ken that the instrument needs to adapt to it's environment. In fact I think that more humidtiy is better than the opposite: One of my gutiars lost it's bridge due to the winter room climate (coming from the gas oven). The luthier, who fixed it explained to me, that wood continues to "work" (means changing depending on it's environment). He even gave me a handout exlaining how different degrees of humidity influencing the wood:  Although it's for guitars I guess it's not much different for dulcimers, it's still a plucked wood instrument too :)

I will try to give the most important things from it (Text is from Tobias Ahlke Luthier at Essence Guitars, Oberwinter-Remagen, Germany, translated with DeepL by me). If somebody here understands German I can also post a scan from it.
Although it might sound a bit scary I also agree with Ken that you are overthinking it. Even if the dulcimer might suffer a bit from the climate at your sisters place, it should be fixable and in the worst case  she can always get a new instrument. But now to the wise words of Mr. Ahlke:

"Wood is hygroscopic. This means that even after decades of storage and in the installed state, it can still absorb moisture from the air or release it into the air. If it absorbs moisture, it increases in dimensions; if it releases moisture, it shrinks.  

The ideal humidity for guitars made of solid wood is about 50% relative humidity at a normal room temperature of about 21%. The woods of your guitar are stored and processed in my workshop at a controlled humidity between 45% and 50%. In this range your instrument can be played great and sounds best. If the humidity deviates, typical symptoms quickly appear and massive irrversible damage can occur:

  • 60% relative humidity and above: The  string action  may increase, the curvatures of the top and back are exaggerated, glue bindings may break, frets and tuners are dull and tarnished, uncoated strings oxidize excessively fast.
  • 40% relative humidity and below: The fingerboard shrinks, which is noticeable protruding fret edges. If necessary, the string action decreases. The wood is under tension
  • 35% relative humidity and below: The grain of the wood is clearly formed through the varnish (e.g. the ceiling looks streaky). Cracks may appear in the ceiling and floor
  • 30% relative humidity and below: Glue joints can break, cracks become larger and larger, the statics of the instrument are in danger!
  • 25% relative humidity: glue joints can break, frets become loose, the instrument unplayable, maybe forever!

Humidity can be easily controlled with commercially available electric hygrometers, which are either stored in the instrument's case or placed at the instrument's location. If you do not want to or cannot regulate the humidity in the whole room, it is recommended to place a humidifier or dehumidifier near the instrument in the closed head. From our point of view, the "Humidipak" from D'Addario/Planet Waves has proven itself here, as this can keep the relative humidity constant at 48%, regardless of whether humidification or dehumidification is required.

Climate and temperature

A guitar feels at home where the player also feels at home: Neither does one like to sit in the blazing sunlight, in the middle of a draft, nor in front of the turned-up heater or in a damp cellar.
Temperatures between 0 and 40 degrees Celsius (32 - 104 ° F) are usually no problem for your guitar, although you should make sure that the guitar can slowly get used to the new temperature. Otherwise, fine cracks may appear in the wood and varnish and glue joints may be damaged.
40 degrees Celsisus (104 °F) and above: the woods begin to bend with the string tension, deformation occurs. The varnish may soften, feel sticky, or develop pressure marks under light loads.
0 degrees Celsius (32 ° F) and below: wood, varnish and glue joints are cold, hard and brittle, cracks and breaks are likely to occur with stress."

So I think a high humidity might less a problem than the other extrems (lower humidity and to much heat): At least the potential results sounds fixable. If the climate is really to much for the dulcimers storing them in a case with a Humidipak or a simmiliar system ( https://www.daddario.com/products/accessories/humidification/automatic-humidipak/humidipak-maintain/ ) should help. Note: As said above this tool and the hints from Mr Ahlke are for guitars, but since dulcimers are made of wood too, I thought, they might be helpful :) 

If somebody asks for it I can scan Mr Ahlkes handout.

Regards, Jost.


updated by @jost: 05/24/21 01:32:10PM
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