I need BASIC dulcimer help - Complete novice

JDNewberry
JDNewberry
@jdnewberry
6 hours ago
8 posts

Sorry, I've been traveling all day.  The discoloration at the 6.5 fret is exactly that.  Either Dad or my older brother (I blame Tom) took a thin wire and held it down with some electrical tape and used that as a 6.5.  I just haven't gotten around to deciding how to clean the residue yet.

As for the slot, it doesn't bother me but it's definitely a curiosity.  It was definitely cut with precision.  The side profile shows a squared channel, identical in profile, width and depth to the other frets, so that's what piqued my interest.  To be fair, I don't know who the luthier was and there's no label inside the soundbox that I can find, but it was definitely ordered in Townsend, TN around 1980 or 1982.  I know Sam Carrell was still making instruments at that time and was overwhelmed with orders, so he enlisted some help.  Maybe an apprentice cut the slot?  I also think that was about the time when Mike Clemmer was getting started.  Maybe it was an early build and a mistake was made?  Either way, It never seemed to affect the sound or the playability, so I'll just call it "character."

There may have been more luthiers in Townsend at that time, but I don't recall any others.  All I can say for sure is that we picked it up in the little dulcimer shop next to "Nawger Nob" if that means anything to anyone.

Jonathan

(Also, thanks to everyone for all the positive responses and words of encouragement.  Sometimes "enthusiasts" can be snobs, but not in the dulcimer world it seems!)

*Edit:  I just took a macro photo of the side profile.  I couldn't see this with my reading glasses, but it seems as if the slot actually was filled. it looks like its just worn away a bit.


updated by @jdnewberry: 07/29/25 06:44:19PM
Nate
Nate
@nate
7 hours ago
412 posts

Could what appears to be a slot near the 6.5 just be discoloration of the wood? In the close up photo it doesnt look like those 'slots' go all the way across the width of the fingerboard. The dulcimer looks great, so it's hard to believe the original builder just left the slot unfilled. You could always put a fret in it and call it "microtonal" lol.


updated by @nate: 07/29/25 02:56:02PM
Strumelia
Strumelia
@strumelia
12 hours ago
2,363 posts

Looking at a closeup of that mystery empty fret slot...

My thoughts:
A good luthier would never have put that extremely misplaced slot there in the first place, and even if they did, they would not have left the empty slot there after moving the fret to the right place. So, I think someone later on did this.
If you look closely, there are also indications that other fret slots had been cut and then filled, around where the 6.5 fret might go. Again, that job ldoes not look professionally done.

I'm thinking that 'somebody' who didn't know very much wanted to put in a 6.5 fret by themselves, and they misguidedly decided that frets 6, 6.5, 7, and 8 should all be equally spaced. So they yanked the original 7th fret out and put their new 6.5 and 7 frets in, equally spaced between the existing 6 and 8 frets. Perhaps they could hear that the 6.5 was not in the right place, and they yanked it out agin and filled the slot... but left their new 7th fret in place.

Then later yet, someone else (or maybe the same person again) realized that the (new) 7th fret was in the wrong place and it just wouldn't play in tune, so they pulled it out and put in a new 7th fret back in its original slot. But this time they didn't bother filling the empty slot.. too much trouble trying to hide it or match the color.

I do not think the luthier would have done any of this.




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Cindy Stammich
Cindy Stammich
@cindy-stammich
yesterday
70 posts

Hi Jonathan,
I am not going to be any help as far as your questions.  I just want to wish you all the best in your new adventure!  I have a dulcimer that my dad built and it is truly a treasure, as I am sure yours is too!  I look forward to hearing updates on how you are doing!  Above all - have fun!   🎶 😊

JDNewberry
JDNewberry
@jdnewberry
yesterday
8 posts

You're correct.  Strothers said 0.020", 0.010" and 0.013".  To be sure, I just ordered an assortment so that I'm sure to have something that feels and sounds good.  I really appreciate the help and the links!

Jonathan

Ken Longfield
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
yesterday
1,267 posts

Twenty-seven inches is my favorite VSL. I use 28.5 inches on dulcimers for noter playing. I think if you do the calculations on the Strothers calculator they won't be to far off from what I suggested. Restring that dulcimer. It deserves to be played and enjoyed.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

JDNewberry
JDNewberry
@jdnewberry
yesterday
8 posts

Here are better photos.  Just ignore the bath mat... That's the best light in this old house!  Also, the distance from bridge to nut is exactly 27".

Jonathan

John C. Knopf
John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
yesterday
441 posts

That's just what I was thinking!  One of those aggravating "OOPS!" situations that happen to a builder from time to time.   The solution is to play it up somehow, with some decoration or a nameplate or something!  Then tell folks "that's the way it's SUPPOSED TO look!"

JDNewberry
JDNewberry
@jdnewberry
yesterday
8 posts

Well, that makes perfect sense.  I didn't even think of that.  And thanks for the compliment.  I'll have a better photo in a few hours.

Jonathan

Ken Longfield
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
yesterday
1,267 posts

Thanks for photos Jonathan. It looks like the builder may have miscalculated the placement of the seventh fret and moved it but never filled in the slot. Not sure what another reason would be. Your dulcimer looks nice.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

JDNewberry
JDNewberry
@jdnewberry
yesterday
8 posts

Here is a better photo of the "mystery slot" for those who may be curious.

JDNewberry
JDNewberry
@jdnewberry
yesterday
8 posts

I have skimmed through the article by Ken Hulme and it seems that this will answer most, if not all, of my questions.  Thanks for this!  I'll print it out when I get home and study it more closely.

I strongly suspect the dulcimer was made by Mike Clemmer or Sam Carrell.  It's elliptical, but Mom ordered it in Townsend, TN around 1980 or '82.  I don't know of any other luthiers from that time in Townsend.  I have an email in to Mr. Clemmer, but he keeps limited hours these days.  My main question for him is about a slot that has been cut in the finger board, so that's the only photo I have right now.  I'll take another when I get home.  As for the slot, it looks like it's for a missing fret that should be immediately past the 7th, but I can't figure out why a fret would be in that location.  It's more of a curiosity to me.

Also, Thanks for the string calculator.  I'l get a measurement this evening and plug that in.

Ken Longfield
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
yesterday
1,267 posts

Jonathan, can you post a photo of your dulcimer? It may help us to better help you. Also, if you the maker of the dulcimer that would be helpful. Since your father played noter style, it makes sense to start learning in DAA. You double melody strings would be tuned to the A below middle C. The middle string would be the same. The next two strings would "d" and "D" respectively. The bass D, your thick string would be the D below middle C and the other "d" would be just above middle C.

Using 29 inches as the vibrating string length which you estimated to 28-30 inches, the "A" strings would be 0.012, the "D" string would be 0.018, and the high d 0.009. The Strothers string calculator tends to be "light" on string string suggestions so I would change the D to 0.020 and the d to 0.010. If those turn out to be to loose when tuned to pitch you could try 0.011 or 0.012 for the d and 0.022 for the D. You can find the calculator  here.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Longfield
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
yesterday
1,267 posts

I'm not Ken Hulme.I'm the other Ken. Here is the link to his article: https://fotmd.com/strumelia/group_discuss/2316/ken-hulmes-i-just-got-a-dulcimer-now-what-article  

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

JDNewberry
JDNewberry
@jdnewberry
yesterday
8 posts

Thank you for the information!  I'm searching for it now.

John C. Knopf
John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
yesterday
441 posts

JD, one of our members here, Ken Hulme, wrote a very helpful lesson on just such a situation. 

It's called "I Just Got A Dulcimer. Now What?"  He will no doubt be posting a message for you soon!

JDNewberry
JDNewberry
@jdnewberry
yesterday
8 posts

So, the information on the internet is only as good as the information people post online, and the google search results are only as good as the questions I ask it.  It seems that if a dulcimer is involved in the search term, I get answers that only confuse me more.

My oldest brother recently passed away and I'm now in possession of our father's dulcimer.  This is an instrument we were strictly forbidden to go near as children, so I understand very little about them.  I have figured out that the configuration would be referred to as a "5 string with double melody" and information on this setup seems lacking online.  Here are my big questions:

Is there any particular tuning that would best suit a complete novice?  I have read about DAD, DAA, etc, but nothing really explains what to do with the extra strings aside from the general consensus that the melodies are tuned the same.

If I try to tune the low string to D, I either end up needing to tune the melodies to an A that's way too high for their diameter or I have to tune the low string to a D that's way too low to even be considered a note.  More of a rattle than even a buzz, I suppose you could say.  Should this low string be tuned to A maybe?

Also, my father was a "noter," I think the term is, and that seems like a simple enough route to get started with.  My tuning questions are geared toward this playing style, if it helps.

I also have some questions about the strings themselves.  I know they are very old, possibly even original to the dulcimer.  If so, that puts them in the range of 45 years old, but I'm sure they're in need of replacement at the very least.  Without having the exact length of the finger board in front of me, would it be possible to get recommendations on sizes for new strings?  I do know the overall length of the instrument is 38.5" and would assume the distance between the nut and bridge to measure 28-30."  I ask, because the strings that are on it seem terribly small in diameter.  The melodies measure out at 0.009", progressing through to 0.010", 0.012" and 0.022" respectively.  Nothing online even mentions a string as thin as 0.009" so that has also added to my confusion.

I've been fascinated by this dulcimer, more so than any of his other instruments, since I was a small child when Mom had it made for him.  I'm eager to dive in and start learning, so any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated!

Jonathan


updated by @jdnewberry: 07/28/25 12:33:42PM