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Sagebum
@sagebum
01/17/22 03:18:58PM
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Mystery Dulcimer


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Thanks again Ken and Ken.  Yes, I had searched for info on a Wizard dulci.... nothing. No label can be seen thru the f holes. Nice to know it might be fairly decent.  I have been keeping it as close to 40% RH.  Not easy here in the high mountain/desert of western NV.

Sagebum
@sagebum
01/17/22 03:10:36PM
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Mystery Dulcimer


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Thanks kindly.  That explains a lot.  Thanks for the link to string info too.

Twain  (Sagebum)

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
01/17/22 03:08:59PM
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Mystery Dulcimer


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Offhand I'd say it looks like someone's attempt to have an Everything Dulcimer.  Something that could be set up with a wide range of string setups from 3 to 8 strings.  Which begs the question, "why not nine?"  A nine string dulcimer could at least have 3 courses of 3 strings.   Unless this was someone's attempt at a dulci-mandolin".

The body looks to have been made by someone who really knew what they were doing.  The quality looks top shelf. 

But that chicken-scratch "Wizard"  and date looks more like someone's poor attempt to individualize the instrument rather than a professional ID.  The old time dulcimer builders who hand carved their names into their products did a MUCH more professional signature than that!

No search I could make found any "wizard dulcimer" maker or company.  

No maker's label visible through the soundholes, on the inside bottom?  

To tell you what gauge strings you need, you need to tell us what the Vibrating String Length is (what a guitar player calls the Scale Length)  -- the distance between nut and bridge.   Then, assuming you want to tune to D like most dulcimers (the bass string is D the others are tuned relative to that), we can tell you string guages.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/17/22 02:53:10PM
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Mystery Dulcimer


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Sagebum, the dulcimer is really a four string dulcimer with doubled courses. There are a variety of ways this dulcimer could be tuned; DD aa aa dd, GG, DD, AA, EE ( like a mandolin), etc. It is hard to give you answer on string gauges  without knowing the vibrating string length. For the notes you have, you can just duplicate those strings. If you know the VSL you can use Strothers' string calculator to determine what gauges you need. http://www.strothers.com/string_choice.html

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
01/17/22 02:48:55PM
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Locating Bridge and nut


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Yep -- what Ken said -- photos of where the nuts/bridges "should" be would be a big help.  There should be wear marks, if nothing, else to show where the errant nuts and bridges were originally placed.  

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/17/22 02:41:55PM
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Locating Bridge and nut


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Bill, can you provide a photo of the dulcimer? The most important thing is to determine where the the nuts were located. Once that is determined, you can measure from the fret board side of the nut to the middle of the seventh fret. Double that measurement and that should be where the strings contact the bridge. A little fine adjustment may be necessary for better intonation.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Sagebum
@sagebum
01/17/22 02:33:30PM
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Mystery Dulcimer


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I am new to the dulcimer and have been given one. It has 5 strings but looks like it should have 8.  

1st Question:  How do I string this up properly with 8 strings and in terms of gauges.

2nd Question:  Does anyone know anything about this dulcimer?  Attached pics.  Also, lightly stamped on the back of the headstock Is WIZARD 030177.  I assume the number is the date it was made, Is Wizard dulcimer maker?  I live in somewhat of a folk instrument wasteland, so nobody has a clue about it. 

I play banjo, guitar, and bass fiddle so I don't know how far I will get with another instrument but even with just 5 strings it sounds very pleasant. 

Thanks for any help that can be offered.


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Bill Robison
@bill-robison
01/17/22 02:11:46PM
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Locating Bridge and nut


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Situation, old hand made courting dulcimer with no bridge, bridge reference or nuts.  What is the most accurate way to determine  VSL? 

Thanks, Bill R

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/17/22 12:37:46PM
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@AMaiorano , thank you SO much for your generous and thoughtful FOTMD 'Patron' donation! It is deeply appreciated and i use it to pay the monthly costs to keep this site running. HUG coffee2

AMaiorano
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01/17/22 08:43:10AM
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Thank you!  Donation to follow.  You all maintain an extraordinary site.  Well done and thanks

Dan
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01/17/22 08:40:58AM
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AMaiorano:

When I click the donate button it comes to a screen that says Lisa Sullivan.  Is that the correct recipient for a donation to maintain the website?  Thanks

Yes, Lisa is the wonderful young lady who coordinates all this.

AMaiorano
@amaiorano
01/17/22 08:33:42AM
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When I click the donate button it comes to a screen that says Lisa Sullivan.  Is that the correct recipient for a donation to maintain the website?  Thanks

AMaiorano
@amaiorano
01/14/22 09:36:14AM
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Introduce Yourself!


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Thanks Dusty.  I’ve been enjoying your videos, those with your Probst as well as all the others.  Got your songs of old Albion book which I’m enjoying/using a lot.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that Rick can build one for me.  No rush!!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/14/22 12:14:26AM
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@dtortorich, my wife uses that word all the time.  She will just ask me, "Are you dulcimering this weekend?"  She should just know that if I'm smiling, the answer is yes!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/14/22 12:12:53AM
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AMaiorano: Hello all, I’ve been playing the mountain dulcimer about 4 years.  I’ve contacted Rick Probst and I’m hoping he’ll build a dulcimer for me to play through my upcoming retirement years.  There are a few videos online, several by Dusty, of Rick’s dulcimers.  All sound wonderful!!  Does anyone have videos playing their Probst dulcimer?  I’d like to hear a few different wood combinations.  Thanks in advance!  Al

@amairano, there aren't a whole bunch of us playing Rick's dulcimers.  I think he only makes a few a year.  I think of his dulcimer as two dulcimers.  The box is plenty large and the bracing plenty sufficient to allow it to be strung as a baritone as well as a standard dulcimer.  If you compare my videos, you'll notice that I am playing in two tonal ranges with my Probst dulcimer. Rick's dulcimers have such a distinctive sound that I don't think wood choice will have a profound effect.  I would choose wood based on looks.  Mine is made of figured cherry with a Carpathian spruce top.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/14/22 12:07:51AM
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Thanks to those generous members who have made donations. Without you, we wouldn't be here! HUG

dtortorich
@dtortorich
01/13/22 07:57:31PM
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Hey!  I'm fairly new to this site.  I've been playing with Paul and Betty Sykes.  Are you familiar with them?  They're a great couple that teach and support our group.  Paul has written over 300 songs, and he is still writing new songs every week.   If you do a search for him, I'm sure you'll find him.  He made the double string dulcimer that I'm playing and it has a rich sound.  Recently, I bought Paul's small amp and now I can amplify my dulcimer and play with a couple more people who play acoustic guitars.  When I practiced with them they were drowning me out.  Paul suggested his amp and it's working great.  I hope this may help someone else who faced a similar situation.  Happy Dulcimer Ing!  That's probably not in Webster Dictionary.

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/13/22 05:49:41PM
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I would like to take this moment to thank a few very special members .
There have been a handful of people over the past couple of months who have made donations to FOTMD, unasked and without waiting for any public call for donations. They have thoughtfully and generously made site donations during this holiday season, without wanting any recognition. A couple of these kind folks even went to the trouble of sending their check in the mail... one of them from far overseas!

I just want to deeply thank these people who quietly supported FOTMD during this pandemic season, and during these dark winter months. You know who you are.
Your support is what enables me to keep this site up and running. I truly, truly appreciate your kindness and your generous hearts. 
May your good deeds shine back upon you with abundant warmth and love!  grphug   love

AMaiorano
@amaiorano
01/13/22 11:07:44AM
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Introduce Yourself!


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Hello all, I’ve been playing the mountain dulcimer about 4 years.  I’ve contacted Rick Probst and I’m hoping he’ll build a dulcimer for me to play through my upcoming retirement years.  There are a few videos online, several by Dusty, of Rick’s dulcimers.  All sound wonderful!!  Does anyone have videos playing their Probst dulcimer?  I’d like to hear a few different wood combinations.  Thanks in advance!  Al

Susie
@susie
01/11/22 03:20:34PM
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Bocote Wood - the 'eyes' have it.


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That is beautiful. Bocote always seems to have an eerie look to it.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/11/22 07:49:19AM
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Mystery Gerald Titus dulcimer 1967, odd fine-tuners


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Regarding the slot; I wonder if it was an attempt to loosen the top and allow it to vibrate more. I realize that as it flares out and extends over the sides of the dulcimer it would do little to lessen the stiffness of the top.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Longfield
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01/11/22 07:42:14AM
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Mystery Gerald Titus dulcimer 1967, odd fine-tuners


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Dusty is correct about Sunhearth dulcimers. Walt Martin's fine tuners were usually made of ebony and broke easily. I've never heard of Mr. Titus either. That is quite a list of folks you have contacted who have no knowledge of him. You may have already done this, but have you contacted Bob Dylan? I realize that Dylan is 80 years old and it may be difficult to remember back 55 years, but is worth a try.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
01/11/22 07:37:03AM
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Mystery Gerald Titus dulcimer 1967, odd fine-tuners


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A number of builders use(d) bead type fine tuners, but I've never seen them so tall!  I would think they would get in the way of your strumming hand!

Sorry, I've never heard of builder Titus either.  Others to query would be Robert Force and Neal Hellman, both of The Pacific Rim Project days.  Bonnie Carol is another of that crew, and a builder herself, who may also shed some light.

Like Lisa, I wonder at that slot... thinking that the bridge has been moved forward whether due to a miscalculation of the correct location (and the mis-cut slot never filled in) or something else.  You might want to query Joanna about that...

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/10/22 10:24:54PM
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Mystery Gerald Titus dulcimer 1967, odd fine-tuners


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I think some of the Sunhearth dulcimers used to have fine tuners as well.  They were smaller than the ones on this dulcimer, but they worked in the same basic way.

Sorry, I never heard of Mr. Titus.  I do know where Edith Street is, though. It's by MLK Middle School where I once heard Ricky Skaggs perform but which is better known as the school where the kids maintain a garden that sells fresh veggies to Alice Waters and Chez Panisse.

Scott Callow
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01/10/22 10:02:03PM
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Know this craftsman? C. S. Jennings, Nitro, West Virginia


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Thanks Linda so much for the articles. They make my instrument even more special.

The music store did get back to me, but they have no memory of the C.S. Jennings. The man who responded will pass on my craftsman's name to someone else just in case it rings a bell. The store is still run by a Gorby so its a family run biz I assume that has survived so far.  

I looked up the address on Google maps and found a small house in what is now considered Charleston (between a church and a tatoo parlor). I thought it might be his shop but its a home with no outbuildings. Maybe he had a shop in the basement and sold the dulcimers out of his home and not the store, but bought a Mel Bay book from Gorby's for each customer. Or maybe #103 was his personal dulcimer. I'll never know, but being a son of an American Historian, I am pleased to play a bit of dulcimer Americana. Thanks again Linda and Ken.

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/10/22 09:59:17PM
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Mystery Gerald Titus dulcimer 1967, odd fine-tuners


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Virginia dulcimer maker Keith Young used to make flat-bottomed fine tuning wooden beads similar way, with a hole to thread the string through. See the various photos in this thread.
Keith's dulcimers look very different than yours though in all other ways. I don't think Keith invented such things either, I'm pretty sure fine tuning beads that slide have been used on other instruments besides dulcimers.

I'm wondering the purpose of that deep slot. Do you think it might held an original wooden bridge? I've seen lots of dulcimers with their bridge inserted into such a slot. Even the Keith young in the above thread has its bridge set into a cut slot, though not as large as your slot.

Sorry I have not heard of this person Titus. Maybe someone else has.
You might ask @patricia-delich who is very knowledgeable about 1960s-70s California dulcimer people and who publishes "Hearts of the Dulcimer"- see her page here: https://fotmd.com/patricia-delich

(btw i removed your other thread that was identical to this one, only one is needed)

JoelPomerantz
@joelpomerantz
01/10/22 08:33:14PM
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Mystery Gerald Titus dulcimer 1967, odd fine-tuners


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Hello! I'm new here, dropping in with a story and a fun mystery .

I’m on a wild goose chase to find out about a 1960s Berkeley, California dulcimer maker who signed this instrument "Gerald L. Titus".

Just a couple weeks ago, my dear friend Joanna McClure gifted me a dulcimer that I adore. It's been hanging on her wall for many years and she always asks me to play it for her when I go to her house, here in San Francisco. Otherwise it has, according to her, hardly ever been played, which is too bad since it sounds pretty damn good!

It was given (1970s? 1960s?) to her former husband Michael (yes, the famous Beat Poet Michael McClure) by Bob Dylan, apparently (according to Michael) in an attempt to get him to learn it and play with Bob. But Michael lost interest and left it behind when he moved out some decades ago during their divorce. Michael died recently and so the dulcimer became unmoored, I guess. 

I wasn’t able to find Titus or anyone who has heard of him, so I’m asking around.

I already checked with:
Holly Tannen
JoEllen Lapidus
Howard Rugg (CapriTaurus Dulcimers)
Marc Silber
Hank Bradley
Larry White (Thin Man Music)
Claudia Schmidt
Cathie Whitesides
DJ Hamouris
Gregg Miner

Inside the dulcimer is a sticker saying:
1967 Dulcimer No. 5
Gerald L. Titus, 1516 Edith, Berkeley, California

That house on Edith has changed owners many, many times since then.

QUESTIONS:

Have you ever seen fine-tuning like this on a dulcimer? I think it's brilliant. It may be unique. JoEllen Lapidus says there's something a bit like it that she's seen with beads on a flat surface.

Have you heard of Titus or seen another dulcimer by him? I wonder whether his others use this same tuning mechanism. I wonder how many he made and for how many years (and what other instruments types he made, if any). I wonder how and to whom he sold dulcimers—just a hobby? It's nicely made!

Please let me know if you have any hint for me! Thank you so much!

Joel

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Ken Longfield
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01/10/22 10:25:20AM
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Bocote Wood - the 'eyes' have it.


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Very nice. That bocote wood is beautiful. You do good work. Enjoy your dulcimer. I'm sure your friend will cherish the other one you made. Like Ken H., I use a surface sander on figured wood, never a planer.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
01/09/22 07:41:40PM
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Bocote Wood - the 'eyes' have it.


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 Nice work!  The bocote is gorgeous.  I try never to use a planer on figured wood -- a surface sander is much safer!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/09/22 03:22:36PM
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Bocote Wood - the 'eyes' have it.


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That's a beautiful looking dulcimer.  I can see why you guys chose bocote wood.  How special is that!

By the way, I do the same thing with my pinky.  I tend to anchor it when I'm doing really tough flatpicking stuff, but I let it move around on the soundboard when I strum.  On one dulcimer with a red cedar top I put on a clear pickguard so you can still see the wood grain underneath.  I also try to keep the nail on that one finger super short.  That pinky scratching seems to show up more on cedar than on spruce.

J. Andy Crandall
@j-andy-crandall
01/09/22 02:39:01PM
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Bocote Wood - the 'eyes' have it.


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I have an acquaintance who wanted a special and unique dulcimer.  He also indicated that cost was not to be a factor, but I didn't really push this too hard. 

After some discussion and looking, I found a bocote board on Ebay that we both agreed on.  Never having worked with bocote, and not actually having a close inspection of the board, I had picked a board of a size that, if everything went perfectly, I could get 2 instruments out of it. 

I was really concerned about working the wood because of all the 'eyes' that make the wood so distinctive (see pic 43 b2).  Fortunately, there was only one problem when a planer tore out a chunk of one piece.   As a result, the 2nd dulcimer (pictured) is 1" shorter than intended.  I can live with that.   Other than that, the wood was quite easy to work.

Attached pics are my dulcimer #43 - the 2nd and shorter one.  It has a yellow cedar top and ebony binding.  The fingerboard is maple and wenge and I added a wenge pick guard because I may keep this one and I tend to either post, or drag my little finger and wear hard on the finish in this area.  The pick guard is only about 1/16" thick.

For what it's worth, except for length and top wood I made two identical instruments.  The one for my acquaintance had a redwood top, the 2nd yellow cedar.  As expected, the sound of redwood is mellower with slightly more emphasis on the base.  I can't tell if the 1" makes any difference but I think they both sound really nice. 

The bocote wood is spectacular and both instruments have a clarity that I think only comes from super dense tropical hardwoods.


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Ken Longfield
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01/08/22 02:59:50PM
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Know this craftsman? C. S. Jennings, Nitro, West Virginia


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You're welcome Scott. Do share, if you get a reply. I know it is a long shot.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Scott Callow
@scott-callow
01/08/22 02:39:39PM
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Know this craftsman? C. S. Jennings, Nitro, West Virginia


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Thanks so much Ken. I emailed the shop to see if there is any memory of CS but from the website it looks like they focus on HS bands and guitars. Didnt see a dulcimer on the website. Didnt look hard either though. I’ll share the reply if anything interesting comes up. 

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/07/22 08:33:05PM
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Know this craftsman? C. S. Jennings, Nitro, West Virginia


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Nitro is west of Charleston heading toward Huntington. It is a small town of around 6,500 people at spans two counties in the western part of central West Virginia. Nitro itself has an interesting history as the place that manufactured gun powder for World War I.  As to Mr. Jennings I know nothing about him. Here is a link to https://w ww.g orbysmusic.com  so you can look for yourself. My guess is that Mr. Jennings made a few dulcimers and put them in the shop on consignment, but maybe some of our West Virginia members know more about him. Perhaps you could call the shop and someone there might know something about him.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."


updated by @ken-longfield: 01/07/22 08:38:11PM
Scott Callow
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01/07/22 06:36:47PM
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Know this craftsman? C. S. Jennings, Nitro, West Virginia


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My dulcimer was a gift from my sister-in-law who found it at CA thrift shop. I call it a tear-box shaped dulcimer, mostly a long rectangular box with a tapered tear-drop styled top. I added a 6+ fret to this 1976 built dulcimer.

For anyone interested, it's an odd bird. It has 28 7/8 in. VSL to a movable bridge - sort of like a banjo. Overall length is 39 1/2 inches (The only affordable case I could find that it fit was a soft rifle case that I adorned with patches of musical notes and a Celtic knot and I keep a kazoo on the outside gun cartridge holders to avoid misidentification.) The box is 31 1/4 X 6 1/2 X 2 1/2 inches.  It has good volume and excellent sustain. 

Anyone know anything about builder? C. Swanson Jennings from Nitro, W. VA 

Or the town or region?

Or the music shop it came from?  Gorby's Music in So. Charleston, W. VA


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