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Hello Dana,

I haven't been anywhere yet where I could hear different dulcimers. I have read some about the barritones. I'd like to hear one. I hope to make it up to Black Mountain or Boone NC soon and visit the shops there. Thanks for the info.

Dana R. McCall said:

Charles my group plays everything in CGC you play it just like DAD tab. Chords are all the same. If you really sing low you might want to get you a baritone dulcimer later. You can tune to AEA it is really low and mellow. Some dulicmers you can put heavier strings on and tune to AEA . AEA plays just like DAD and CGC DAD tab works for each of these tunings.

Charles E. Jones said:

Thanks. Are you able to play everything in CGC that you could play in DAD?

folkfan said:

I'm with everyone else on this. For singing go lower. CGc would be only one step down from your DAd tuning, and does make for easier singing. I don't even tune up to D anymore as I always want to sing with my instrument. I'm in CGG or lower for everything.

Thanks. Are you able to play everything in CGC that you could play in DAD?

Yes. Just tune down to CGC and pretend you are still in DAd. (Just remember you are now playing in the key of C- in case you ever want to play with others this will make a difference.)

Sam says:

I too know more less.

Well Sam, you know what the definition of an expert is:

Someone who knows more and more about less and less until finally they know everything about nothing.

Thanks. Are you able to play everything in CGC that you could play in DAD?

Yes. Just tune down to CGC and pretend you are still in DAd. (Just remember you are now playing in the key of C- in case you ever want to play with others this will make a difference.)

Sam says:

I too know more less.

Well Sam, you know what the definition of an expert is:

Someone who knows more and more about less and less until finally they know everything about nothing.

With the dulcimer and modal tunings, you can play any tune using the same note relationship. A DAd tuning is a 1-5-8 relationship. The 1 is the first note of the scale (a D), the 5 is the 5th note of the scale (an A/as in DEF#GA) and the 8 is the octave higher d or the 8th note of the octave (DEF#GABC#d). Any other 1-5-8 tuning is played with the same tablature and fingering. CGc, AEa, GDg, EBe are the keys of C,A,G, and E in a 1-5-8 tuning. This tuning is commonly called Mixolydian mode, which isn't quite accurate as many Ionian mode tunes are played in this tuning as well.

I use a CGG which is an Ionian mode tuning. The note relationship of this tuning is 1-5-5 with the melody string being tuned to the same note that the middle string is tuned to. The scale starts at the third fret and I would use DAA tab not DAd. DAA, CGG, GDD, AEE, EBB are all 1-5-5 tunings in the Ionian mode (no half frets used).

A simple example of the difference in the two tunings is Brother John. In a 1-5-5 tuning, I'd play 3453, 3453, 567,567, 787653, 787653, 303, 303.

In a 1-5-8 tuning I'd play 0120, 0120, 234,234, 454320, 454320, 0-0middle-0, 0-0middle-0.

In either tuning (CGG, or CGc) I'd be playing exactly the same notes CDEC, CDEC, DEF, DEF, FGFEDC, FGFEDC, etc.

The only tunes that I can't play when tuned in CGG are true Mixolydian mode tunes with a flatted 7th note of the scale and are played on the 6th fret (NOT the 6+) in a 1-5-8 tuning. Old Joe Clark is an example of a true Mixolydian tune. It has to be played in a 1-5-8 tuning and uses the 6th fret. The only difference is between the Mixolydian scale and the Ionian scale is that one flatted note. That's why so many tunes are now tabbed in DAd, as you can play two different modes with the same tuning since most modern dulcimers have 6 and 6+ frets which gives you the correct note for either scale.

Charles E. Jones said:

Thanks. Are you able to play everything in CGC that you could play in DAD?

folkfan said:

I'm with everyone else on this. For singing go lower. CGc would be only one step down from your DAd tuning, and does make for easier singing. I don't even tune up to D anymore as I always want to sing with my instrument. I'm in CGG or lower for everything.

Thanks. Are you able to play everything in CGC that you could play in DAD?

folkfan said:

I'm with everyone else on this. For singing go lower. CGc would be only one step down from your DAd tuning, and does make for easier singing. I don't even tune up to D anymore as I always want to sing with my instrument. I'm in CGG or lower for everything.

Dear Charles;

I too know more less. And Lisa has NEVER seen me dance! Welcome to FOTMD.

Sam

HI Charles,

As per you being the village idiot, may I point out the old Japanese proverb:

We are fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance!

I always liked that one.

you are not the only person to find it difficult to sing in the key of D.

My first recommendation is to simply tune your dulcimer down one whole step on every string, from DAd to CGC. That way you will be in the key of C instead of D. See if this solves those few highest singing notes for you. A lot of people play and tune their dulcimers in the key of C. It will not present any problem at all unless you are trying to play with others who are in the key of D.

If that's still too high for your voice, we can get you into the key of G instead and have you sing in the lower octave. This would be 3 whole steps lower than D. But try simply tuning down to the key of C for now- that might be all you need. It's easy to tune one step DOWN on every string to CGC from DAd!

Hello Dennis, for what it is worth I have posted a few 'constructional' details on this site of a TBM I made last year, shown in some of my photos, with additional comments contained in a couple of blogs. Also put up a couple of Vids of it being played. Glad to help if I can?

JohnH

I'm a computer idiot and it's mostly dumb luck that I can do anything with the machine that turns out okay.

We're patient here, Dennis.

When they got us voice mail at work, I told my boss he was going to have a parade of body men using his phone to check for messages. He told us we had to do that at home, and I told him my rotary phone wouldn't do that. For 3 or 4 years afterwards, I was assumed to be living at Green Acres, and having to climb the pole to answer or make calls.I don't have much confuster knowledge either. When the library got computers and gave up the microfilm catalogs, I was lost for a long time. My wife would send one of the daughters to "Go get your Father out of trouble." She finally dragged me, kicking and fighting, into the 20th century just as it was ending. I can sympathize, I still don't know how to work the darn things.

But it's true, we all like to drool over each others new toys, and even more so, to hear how they sound. When you're ready.

Paul

Dennis,

Paul's right-- we love to see stuff!

Since you're new to dulcimers, we won't insist on an immediate video, but patience will only last so long!

Have fun learning.

Paul

Dennis,

In the years I've been involved with mountain dulcimer, I've seen nothing but praise from folks who have gotten Dave's Student Model. In the dulcimer world, there are a few makers who offer entry-level instruments that would put instruments of other types costing a lot more to shame.

Enjoy your Sweet Woods!

PS-Dave's a nice guy, too!

Today I had lots of fun buying a new bow for my two tagelharpas. Yes, I've decided to call them by their Swedish name, tagelharpa (which means tail-harp) rather than their Finnish name jouhikko, because I found that NOBODY could remember the name jouhikko. So now I'm calling them 'tagelharpas' which my friends seem much better able to pronounce and remember. I also like that it means 'tail harp', after the strings made from twisted horse hair.

Anyway, the two bows that came with my tagelharpas were becoming a little problematic for me- one was too small and lightweight ...skittered around and didn't give me a hearty tone. The other, which looked cool because it was made from a bent stick bark and all...gave a good tone but was a little too heavy- difficult to be agile with it when playing.

I went to my local music store and was able to try out about 7 bows for cellos and for violas- full sized ones and half sized ones, etc. None of them were very high quality or expensive, but that was fine- I was just looking for a good weight bow I could work with better than my current ones. I had also been borrowing an old cheap fiddle bow from Brian, but that was too light and a little too long again. that told me I should maybe look at the viola and cello bows.

After spending 45 minutes rosining and trying the bows back and forth in the music store, trying them on my tagelharpa (much to the amusement of the various teenage electric guitar customers coming and going).... I found the nicest feeling one with the best tone of the bunch was a full sized viola bow. There were two of them for sale- for $80 and $40, and oddly i liked the feel and tone of the $40 one better. It was made in China. I know it's not a very good bow, but it's a step up from what i've been using!

So I went home with a new bow to practice with, it was quite exciting for me!

I had been shamefully neglecting my tagelharpas over the past 2 months, but for the past two weeks I've plunged back into practicing them again. I found that changing my practice time from evening to morning really helped me, as too often in the evening I was simply too tired mentally to want to get practicing. It seems more inspiring and fresh somehow in the morning, so that change is helping me to better stick with it and progress.

I also ordered a book and CD of simple Finnish kantele tunes which are specifically for the 5 string kantele and will likely be perfectly suited to the tagelharpa which is based upon a 5 or 6 note note scale.

I am very slowly making progress. But more importantly, I am still really loving playing this instrument even though it's a great deal of work and a huge challenge for me.

Thanks guys! Yes randy, I shouldn't apologize so much- after all it does sound not so bad for only playing a month. I'll try to stop groveling!

robin, this instrument is really designed to play a drone constantly. I'm not so sure bowed dulcimer is, so it's possible you may well have to work harder than me to get the same drone effect.
Randy Adams said:

....what's Brian think of it? Does he offer a few pointers?....or disappear with the cats?... : ).....

He disappears with the cats.

Lisa!!! You've been holding out on us. Doggies, that sounded good!

I can't for the life of me bow a decent drone on my bowed dulcimers on any consistent basis. For my own amusement, I'll keep trying, though.

Ok, here is my very first (rather embarrassing) recording attempt on my Michael King jouhikko. It's quite rough, and the intonation leaves a LOT to be desired...but hey there isn't even a fretboard! lol! It's a start!

This is a tune Michael played for me but he doesn't know what it is, neither do I.

So listen: here I am scratching away on it and scaring off the cats.

Robin, I am enjoying 'trying' to play just very old and very simple folk melodies. I have a few Finnish and Scandinavian type ones. They have to be really simple for me to even attempt them.

I plan to stick with mostly old European/Scandi folk tunes, and maybe find a friend with a (subtle) drum to get a medieval feel to it eventually once I can actually play the thing. :)

Hey Randy thanks!
You are right on all counts except... right now it's anything BUT relaxing!!!

These things are pretty wild and uncontrollable at the moment- screeching whiney sounds aren't too relaxing. YIKES! lol!

But i am having fun making a mess of it all and trying hard. It'll take me weeks to be able to do a little ditty like michael whips off. Meaning he's busy apologizing for his playing....

Randy Adams said:

I love the sound of it in the video. It has to be such a relaxing instrument to play....ya know....you don't have to be Perlman or Paginini right?....just play some nice little melodies.....fun!

And it looks to be a very well made instrument...horsehair strings!....curly maple!....2 piece back!

I love the sound of it in the video. It has to be such a relaxing instrument to play....ya know....you don't have to be Perlman or Paginini right?....just play some nice little melodies.....fun!

And it looks to be a very well made instrument...horsehair strings!....curly maple!....2 piece back!

Since YOUR jouhikko is already a star, your own stardom can't be far behind, Strumelia! Do you have particular ideas about how you wish to use your new instruments-- say, do you plan to focus on tunes in a particular regional tradition(s) or in accompaniment to another player's instrument(s)?

Seriously, Lisa, if I ever get to your neck of the woods, I'd love to give one of those instruments a go.

In the YouTube video on Michael's website, it looks to be your new jouhikko & case that are showcased!?

Strumelia,

Wonderful slideshow! I'd love to give a pull of the bow or two on each of your bowed lyres-- they're so lovely and your case with the leather handle, forged latches, and knitted interior are neat.

In the YouTube video on Michael's website, it looks to be your new jouhikko & case that are showcased!?

OK, I got my other jouhikko today! (Remember I sold a banjo and was able to buy TWO jouhikkos with the money...wooHOOO!)

This one is SO DIFFERENT from my other one- and that's what I wanted- to try two completely different setups, tunings, and modes of playing. They are both very very cool.

Here is an album of pix of my new beauty.

They are both challenging to play in their own ways...but I got a head start of 3 weeks on the other one so now I have to work at this new one. The case is almost as wonderful as the instrument!

This jouhikko (bowed lyre/Talharpa) was made by FOTMD member Michael King of the UK. What a great guy and artistic craftsman! Here is his website: http://www.michaeljking.com/

I'm so excited! I have lots of new stuff to work on all winter now!

It's so neat that you have Swedish ancestors, Lisa! And bowing is a ton of fun. Except for when it isn't.

PS-The discussion about being able to drag smiles should've been able to be seen by everybody but me!

I have taken a little time off of doing patent drawings for a type of spray gun today, to work on getting a couple of interesting new tunes to try to play on my new jouhikko (Finnish/Swedish/Estonian folk fiddle-thingy).

I bought a CD of old recordings of Finnish folk songs and have been picking out a couple of tunes to transcribe and play. Wow, talk about non-chord based archaic music!

This will now give me a total of 6 old simple traditional Finnish folk tunes to work on. I can look into Swedish tunes as well (my Swedish grandfather would have loved that, maybe even my Swedish ancestors played the jouhikko/tagelharpa!)

Now if only I could fret the thing in tune...no fingerboard makes it pretty interesting.

The good news is that after about 2 weeks of playing now i do sound a little bit better- less squeaking and scratching with the bow, and a little less horribly out of tune. Just needs few more years of playing now!

Cool, Lisa! You get a few weeks under your belt and keeping the bow perpendicular to the strings will come easier, I'd bet. I have a ball bowing (my BD's) and have learned that just feeling more comfortable, relaxed with a bow in my hand helps yield better sound. Well, most of the time, anyway. lol

I can't look at jouhikkos much because I want one and don't need to feed that monster right now.

Flint, I'm listening to sample music from Nordisk Sang right now-- really fine. Thanks for the recommendation.

Well I've spent about 45 minutes to an hour each day so far for 4 days. I am excited because i actually see a little improvement just from that short time practicing.

I am only working on 2 VERY simple Finnish folk ditties that came with the instrument- one is in minor mode and one in major. That's all I need to work on for now, because I'm using these two simple tunes like exercises. They each only have 8 measures in them, and only six notes. It's weird to get used to rocking over onto the far (unfretted) drone string for the tonic melody note each time you want it, but I'm starting to get used to that idea. The main melody string is tuned to the second note (Re) of the scale! It's tuned AEB - the B being the melody string (the other two strings played open as drones and/or tonic note) in the key of A.

Still sounds like squeaky train brakes, but that's expected. Every once in a while I accidentally hit a couple of nice clear notes and that's enough excitement to keep me motivated! lol!

Mostly trying to hold the bow perpendicular to the strings and move it fast enough to catch the strings well instead of skreeking.

But I'm having tons of fun!!

Lisa, I use an underhand grip on the bow for BD and have used my middle & ring fingers to make some tension adjustments.

I'll keep my eyes open for a progress report from time to time. It's a mostly wonderful experience to be a beginner.

Randy, I love fiddle music and know I couldn't play a fiddle due to neck problems. Darn trouble's curtailed my music playing-- especially MD-- over the last several weeks.

Thanks Randy. I guess I like the challenge. I really respond to the primitive folk sound and the drones, so even the scratchy out of tune practice is pleasing to me in a strange way.

Sounds to me like you should try fiddling with the fiddle held down low against the ribs instead of in 'classic violin' form. brian plays that way often- he says it's the 'lazy' way to play, but it sure sounds good to me!

Randy Adams said:

I admire you for taking on the challenge Lisa. I was 41 (1992) when I started playing the dulcimer...had been playing guitar & banjo for 20+ years.... and I remember thinking I never wanted to learn another instrument....it's a huge undertaking. But I have enjoyed the journey.

The only instrument I would have liked to learn in my life is the fiddle. I have tried 3 or 4 or 5 times and never made it more than 2 weeks!... : (....I just can't do it. Hurts my left wrist to be in the position....my face, and ears, are right next to where the bow is squeaking and scratching... : ).....

Anyways...have fun! This is inspiring! Hope you check in ever so often with a progress report and trials & tribulations!... : ).....

Hi Robin,

i figure it will keep me out of trouble...sometimes.

Yes the strings are made of pretty firmly twisted horsehair. My strings have 6o strands for the low drone and 40 strands for the two higher strings.

Yes, you can make your own strings as they wear and get too thin. I bought extra bowhair hanks which can make the strings too. The bow is horsehair too, but straight not twisted, and somewhat loose- you create extra bowhair tension with your fingers as you bow (underhand grip). you are almost always playing two strings at once.

Robin Thompson said:

Lisa, I'll wait-- got nothin' but time.

Glad Randy started the thread because I was wonderin', too. You probably haven't had it long enough to tell much about the horsehair strings. . . Are the hairs twisted? Do they have to be replaced often? Can you buy hanks of horsehair and make your own strings?

I admire you for taking on the challenge Lisa. I was 41 (1992) when I started playing the dulcimer...had been playing guitar & banjo for 20+ years.... and I remember thinking I never wanted to learn another instrument....it's a huge undertaking. But I have enjoyed the journey.

The only instrument I would have liked to learn in my life is the fiddle. I have tried 3 or 4 or 5 times and never made it more than 2 weeks!... : (....I just can't do it. Hurts my left wrist to be in the position....my face, and ears, are right next to where the bow is squeaking and scratching... : ).....

Anyways...have fun! This is inspiring! Hope you check in ever so often with a progress report and trials & tribulations!... : ).....

Lisa, I'll wait-- got nothin' but time.

Glad Randy started the thread because I was wonderin', too. You probably haven't had it long enough to tell much about the horsehair strings. . . Are the hairs twisted? Do they have to be replaced often? Can you buy hanks of horsehair and make your own strings?

Hey thanks Randy for starting a thread.

Heck, I've only had it about two days and we've been doing various other stuff so I haven;t been able to paractice it as much as I'd like yet, but getting some practice in today.

Here's a good example of a simple tunes played on a jouhikko:

It will take me many months before I can play something that well!

So how's it going. You luvin' it? Is it what you thought it was gonna be?

I'ts not easy- very challenging. Mostly because you are frettin the string in mid air, no frets or fingerboard to guide you. Also bowing is an art in itself and takes a LONG time to get decent. I'm sounding very scratchy and very out of tune- as I expected! It is what I thought it would be, perhaps a tad quieter than I thought, but then it's got horsehair strings, not steel fiddle strings. a nice 'chewy' textured sound.

<Are you taking to it like a duck to water?.. : ).....Are you having fun? Is it hard to play? Do you like the sound? >>>

It's GREAT fun, but not something I can just slip into doing- will take much work, but I kind of knew that going in. Yes, i love the sound, and as you know I love drones. The bowing is what will be the greatest challenge.

<How do you pronounce it? Is it a well made instrument? What type of songs are you going to play?>>>

Pronounced YOO-hee-koh. It's a very simple instrument, not refined like a guitar. Sturdy and wll put together, but primitive, like it was designed to be. (The other one that's almost done will be a little more delicate and refined).

Best suited for simple older folk tunes and some medieval tunes. Played in either major or minor. It uses only 6 notes in the scale, so the tunes must be very simple. On this one, the middle string is a low drone below the tonic note, a fifth. So this one is tuned to key of A and the low drone is an E.

My other one coming soon will be strung and tuned differently and will be played in G. It's low drone string will be on the top side rather than the middle.

<Any one else have/play one of these?>>>

Pristine (Richard) has one from this same maker- I think he got it a year and a half ago, but I don't know if he's been playing it much.

FlintHill said:

<Can't wait to hear you play these.>>>

I thought this subject deserved it's own thread?...hope you don't mind?

So how's it going. You luvin' it? Is it what you thought it was gonna be? Are you taking to it like a duck to water?.. : ).....Are you having fun? Is it hard to play? Do you like the sound? How do you pronounce it? Is it a well made instrument? What type of songs are you going to play?

Any one else have/play one of these?

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Lisa Said:

"Like Dennis, my positive thing for today was getting a new instrument too!

Last official 'real' new instrument was my Galax dulcimer about 6(?) years ago, so this is quite an event.

I got my first of two jouhikkos-- Finnish/Swedish archaic rectangular 3-stringed drone folk fiddles. I sold a nice banjo which paid for them (love when that can happen). I will keep them in two very diff stringing arrangements and tunings.

So tonight I started making some really awful bowing sounds, trying to pick out some notes...fun!

Thank goodness Brian doesn't mind the screaky scratches...and neither does the new kitty- she just snoozes nearby like it was nothing!"

Lots of different music sounds good on the mountain dulcimer. I've found that because folks tend to tune it with drone strings--it actually sounds very nice in duets with fiddles. You can favor the bass string when the fiddle goes high, and favor the treble strings when the fiddle growls low. :)

Very fun.

Best wishes,

Mary Z. Cox

www.maryzcox.com