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Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
05/04/12 11:42:19PM
1,553 posts

Redneck tour bus


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Woo-hoo-- another tour! I didn't know there were still any Lee's Famous Recipe places left.

Dana, seems like Carter is a helper dog for your dad! And he helps himself, too, to whatever he wants. I love dogs!

Hope you've gotten some time to re-charge your own batteries!

Dana R. McCall
@dana-r-mccall
05/04/12 05:24:28PM
168 posts

Redneck tour bus


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Well the bus is getting ready to leave the station on another trip.

The group minus me and dad are heading up to Mt Sterling just 15mins up the road to eat at Lee's famous recipe and then to the Hee Haw Review. Dang and I'm missing it!LOL

OH well right now I'm watching dad on the vid monitor eating a plate of fresh pinapple(his and my favorite fruit)I just cut up for him.

Carter his little dog has gotten wise to me and when the door opens he jump down and under the bed where I can't get him to put him out.I just watched as he stole a piece of pineapple off dad's plate and back under the bed. Now that I'm out and back in the livingroom the little thief jumped back up on the bed and nosed his way under the covers. Dad loves that little dog to death and I think it goes the other way to.

Well the bus is pulling out, dad is loving on Carter and I get some down time. Hee Haw!


updated by @dana-r-mccall: 08/03/23 07:56:54AM
Paul Certo
@paul-certo
05/01/12 08:35:31PM
242 posts



It's mighty hard to find fault with "delighted"!

Paul

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/30/12 04:57:23PM
2,157 posts



Depending on how the string slots in the nut and bridge are made, you may be able to 'just swap strings'. However you may also find that the thin melody string is not seating properly in the wide bass string slot, and that will cause problems. Most builders (and I'm one) create the nut bridge slots for right handed players unless specifically asked to set up for a left handed player. Also a wide bass string may not seat correctly in a narrow melody string slot, and that too can cause problems.

If you are going to play left-handed, I strongly recommend that you tell your dulcimer builder that you are left handed so that he or she can 'make it right'.

Mandy
@mandy
04/30/12 09:27:20AM
140 posts



Great way of explaining things PAUL. All this time I was the one who was right and everybody else was playing wrong. MUUUUUUAAAAHHHHH. I am a lefty and must whole-heartedly agree with everything you have said. The strumming does get much easier (after all it's really only repeated patterns), while the fretting hand needs to be very dynamic and free flowing. Fretting was no big deal at all for me when I started playing. Harder chord shapes were easier to accomplish for me on my first instruments.

What's a challenge for me now really is the thumb. I really need practice with it, even though I'm left handed and that's my most dexterous hand it's still difficult to master that thumb.

Go enjoy, dance with the one who brung you - Love that Paul

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
04/29/12 11:52:32PM
242 posts



Ken isn't commenting about left handed musicians at all. He is saying that the dominant hand, in your case the left hand, would be better utilized if put to the more demanding part of playing a stringed instrument, which is the hand fretting the strings. The reality is almost all of us righties are playing backwards. We are playing the way lefties should be playing. Same for guitar, banjo,and ukulele. I play all of those, and know the left hand to have the harder job. I suspect mandolin and fiddle would be similar, but I don't play them so I really have no experience to back that up. Our dominant right hands should be on the frets, not strumming. Eventually, strumming becomes the easier job, once we put the time in to learn it.

If you have a left handed dulcimer, and feel you are progressing, that's fine, stay the course. There are millions of right handed people playing backwards to prove it can be done. Ken's advice is probably more aimed at aspiring players who haven't yet purchased their first dulcimer, and are concerned about finding one built for their dominant hand. The bottom line is this:

1)For the beginner, both hands are untrained, and have to learn their job.

2) Either hand can learn either job, but there is a certain unfixed amount of time required for this to take place. How long this time is varies with a lot of contributing factors. But the destination isn't the important part, the journey is what counts. Enjoy the ride.

3) Since both hands have a new job to learn, it really isn't critical that they learn a specific job. There are two jobs to be learned, and we have two hands to assign to these jobs. If one is accustomed to fretting from playing another stringed instrument, continue in the path you have been following. If neither hand has done either job, go ahead and pick one and start learning.

For the record, I concur with Ken's assessment that most of us are playing backwards. But I started guitar in 1966, and banjo in 1968. By the time I realized I was playing with the "wrong" hand on the frets, I wasn't about to start over. The "lefty" guitar I tried showed me that even with 30 years playing, both hands only knew the jobs I had taught them. Neither knew the other hands job. It was day one all over again. I could spend a lot of time relearning how to play "backwards", or I could play as I had been and enjoy what I had learned/was learning. Go enjoy, dance with the one who brung you. You'll learn just fine with whichever hand you prefer to put on the frets.

Paul

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/29/12 10:08:22PM
2,157 posts



Why advise lefties to at least try right handed? Well, for one thing, there's no harm done if it works out good for them.

Second, there are Zero left handed dulcimers being manufacturered. And technically it's more than just swapping the bass and melody strings to convert a right handed instrument - the nut and bridge really must be tweaked as well because of the difference in string thicknesses.

Third, there is practically zero re-sale potential for left handed dulcimers.

For another thing, playing right handed makes a leftie's dominant hand do arguably the more important part of playing - getting the notes right. Strumming is a pretty automatic sort of thing and your dominant hand is, in some sense, wasted playing rhythm rather than playing notes. IMHO this is especially important if the leftie wants to do complicated fingerwork like fingerpicking.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/28/12 01:29:01PM
2,157 posts



The only issue with your GD strumming left handed, as you know, is that the dulcimer needs to be swapped end-for-end so that the head is on the right side, not the left.

You said "In most cases left handed people are advised to try to play right handed.". Yes we SUGGEST that lefties TRY playing right handed; but use whatever works for them. Obviously right handed didn't work for you. And that's OK.


There is no right way or wrong way to play the dulcimer. Just the way that works for you.

Unlike the old days, no one will beat your fingers with a ruler to force you to play right handed, the way some people were forced to learn to write right handed.

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
01/23/13 11:30:13PM
242 posts



I don't think I have the nerve to do what Schnaufer did. I sweated when forced to gate check my guitar, and it was in a case designed for airline use, even down to TSA approved locks. What would he have done if they called his bluff, put it in the hold, and handed him a bunch of shattered splintered wood at his destination? "Sorry, Sir, but You threw the case away." When they break an instrument that was in a strong case, it's a nightmare to get a claim through. Just ask a few people who have had to file claims.

For the current time, most dulcimers will fit into the overhead bins of most aircraft, even in a good case. Most acoustic guitars are going to have a problem on most airplanes. Once baggage fees are charged for carry on bags, the issue with overhead space may actually ease up. If it costs the same to carry on as to check, most people will only hand carry fragile or valuable items. A lot of people are using carry on bags to limit the cost of checked bags. And they stuff the daylights out of the carry on bags, with no weight limit.

Paul

Stephen Seifert
@stephen-seifert
01/17/13 10:12:15AM
22 posts



I always stick my Lee Felt double-dulcimer bag in the overhead. Especially if I only take one dulcimer, I can fit clothes and product into the other side. I like that my bag looks like something my grandma made me. I've also used the compact looking McSpadden soft cases. Sometimes I hide the top of the second instrument by covering it with a shirt or something. I don't want them to think I'm over doing it. Here's my routine:

  • I do my best to get to the gate early. I want to board as soon as possible.
  • Before they start boarding, I wait as close as I can to the gate door with my bag unzipped. I want everyone including passengers to know I don't have golf clubs. I also want the gate workers to see I'm not trying to sneak an oversize item on board.
  • I keep the instrument in plain site as I hand over my boarding pass. If offered, I always take the baggage claim ticket. As soon as I'm in the tunnel, I put it in my pocket.
  • I smile at everyone and make eye contact. I don't want them to sense I'm going to be trouble. I keep the open bag in front of me as I board. (I really think they hate it when you try to trick them.)
  • When they ask me what I have I often say, "miniature guitars called dulcimers." I want them to think SPECIAL and SMALL. I get them talking right away. I ask, "ever seen one before," or "do you play music?" I really need the stewardesses in particular to be on my side.
  • If anyone says, "You'll have to check that. It won't fit in the overhead," I say, "I promise to cooperate either way but may I please try? I've never had a problem in the past. Most of this bag is filled with air. These instruments are very narrow."
  • I pick the first overhead that's available incase there's none in the back of the plane.

I've never had to check an instrument on what's got to be at least 100 flights. If I ever have to, I'm likely to do what David Schnaufer did after they wouldn't let him fly with an antique dulcimer he'd acquired at a gig. He took the dulcimer out of it's case, put the case in the trash, and handed them the naked instrument. He said they all treated it like a baby the whole way.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/16/13 08:42:09PM
1,848 posts



I'm sure it was your sweeter-than-blueberry-honey smile.

Whatever the reason, I'm glad things worked out for Rainbow.

Jeannie in Paradise said:

Maybe my nearly white hair and occasionally limping a bit helped, too!

Jeannie

Jeannie in Paradise
@jeannie-in-paradise
01/16/13 08:37:36PM
11 posts



I just want to add my May 2012 experience here. I had decided to buy a Clemmer "Sweetie" church style dulcimer to take to Wisconsin, so I could play at a private memorial for my mom. It has a well-fitting soft bag. When time came to fly with it, for each flight I made certain to board early... sometimes claiming to belong in the group of "people who need extra help," sometimes just being sure I was at the head of the line. Each time I carefully positioned my Sweetie into the overhead bin right above me, and then halfway stood right there, keeping track of what else was about to go into that overhead bin. I found passengers and flight attendants to be very respectful and cooperative, and Sweetie made it safely through five separate plane rides. (Maybe my nearly white hair and occasionally limping a bit helped, too!)

Jeannie

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
01/15/13 09:39:01AM
2,157 posts



Lois;

Practicing? Sure. First you could get something like Harpmaker's Travel Dulcimer where the top flips over and stores the fretboard inside, and the result looks sorta like a wooden flute case. Fits in overheads. Great instrument.

Second you could make, or have made, a hinged solid body practice dulcimer that folded down to two lengths of 1x4 plank. Extend an lock the two pieces, tighten the strings, and play. Such a device would easily fit inside a standard suitcase. Drop me a PM if you're interested.

Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
01/14/13 11:13:43PM
197 posts



O.k. other things I've heard + this discussion convince me: I'd need to be gone for a long time in a location beyond possible driving to it before I'd try to take a breakable musical instrument on a plane.

That said, is there a way to do any kind of practicing without a dulcimer available?

Butch Ross
@butch-ross
01/08/13 12:42:55PM
22 posts



Yeah, I was bummed that I wasn't able to meet you too.

and it was my dealings with Ryanair that almost got me kicked out of the country: never, ever again will I fly Ryanair.

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
01/08/13 04:11:07AM
239 posts



That's great advice Butch - thanks for sharing your extensive experience of this issue. And I'm really sorry to have missed your visit to the UK last year

The UK airports are very strict about hand baggage and security in general, and we don't have a government regulation on the carrage of instruments as hand baggage. But, luckily, some of our airlines are very understanding and spell out very clearly in their terms and conditions what you can carry as additional handbaggage. Even EasyJet will allow any musicalinstrument up to the size of 30cm x 120cm x 38cm(easily a full size Mc Spadden dulcimer case) to go in an overhead. But stay away from RyanAir !!!!!!!!

One final point - make sure that you don't have anything in the dulcimer case pocket that is a restricted item such as a multi-tool for fitting your strings - orthat will get you into trouble at security

Butch Ross
@butch-ross
01/07/13 08:23:43PM
22 posts



Long post, so get a cup of Joe:

I want to start by saying that Paul and Robin have offered you some great advice, and I agree with just about everything they've said.

I have flown with two to three dulcimers (the third would be a Griebhaus electric, which is very thin) in a standard TKL double-gigbag oneverythingfrom a Canada Regional Air (CRJ-700 and 900 but not 200) which means that it'll also get on the Embraer E series (E170 and E175 but not the 125 and probably not the ERJ145)and definitely the MD88 MD90or larger (those are the regional jets that I've had experience with). A general rule of thumb, look at the layout when your picking your seats. if the seat layout is 2 and 2 or larger, you're golden (tho' I have gotten it on planes with a 1 and 2 seat arrangement...but just barely)...if it's a turbo prop, yr screwed.

Because I do this for a living I HAVE to get the cheapest flights possible, which generally means the back of the plane. Fine with me, 'cuz I'm first on last off too, and I can fill up the overheads before everyone else. Being a man of average height, I'm also quick to "help" other passengers stowing stuff in my overhead (note the possessive) if they resist (usuallybecausethey're men and they "got this") I point out that that is a musical instrument and that I'D HATE TO SEE IT UNINTENTIONALLY GET DAMAGED (I'm never rude, angry or impolite, but you can imagine that the language i use is a quite bit stronger than that)

Here's what I used on the last trip....

That's a single TKL bag with two dulcimers in it (one in a cloth bag made by Mary Rockwell) I DO NOT recommend this, but i didn't have my double bag and was in a bind.

From the moment I get out of the car, the dulcimer is in it's straps and on my back (except for security of course). This makes it seem smaller, and is lessnoticeable...in fact they generally don't see how big it is until I've passed, and by then it's too late. If I get grief at the gate or the ticket counter (usually the ticket counter) I do three things:

  1. remain unfailingly pleasant and polite
  2. talk as slowly and loquaciously as I can
  3. I am quick to gate check it

Pleasant and polite should be obvious, your beloved instrument iscompletelyin their hands and they have the power to do everything from charge you extra, force you to check it, to kick you out of the country (I have been threatened with all three). But, I once got to take three carry on bags to England because the woman at the counter took pity on me (and anyway, she said she wouldn't see any of that $200 extra baggage charge she could've hit me with. YOU READ THAT RIGHT $200).

Speak slowly....especially if you are on early, there are a lot of people behind you and the staff don't have much time to process the flight, so if you're nicebut slowthey may make an exception for you... I once flew from Philly to Nashville with my guitar under my seat (with my feet on top 'cuz it was WAAAAAY too big to be under there) because they didn't have the time to hold the flight to make me go to the ticket booth and get a gate check tag.

IF I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, I will gate check, even with gate checking yourinstrumentis doomed if it goes into the hold in just a gig bag. So I have been known to ask for the gate check and then remove the tag. I did this once on a flight back from England. It means that someone has to come onto the plane and then remove it from the overhead ...in front of everyone, making them the jerk that took it and put it in the hold. That's right, if i can i'll use peer pressure

If that seems harsh, listen to this. I own a flight case, a very expensive case (intended for keyboards) that I bought SPECIFICALLY for flying with my dulcimers. In 2008 on my way to my first UK tour, I was told at baggage claim that the case was oversized and that i would have to pay an additional $175 each way to fly with it. In other words, cough up, or don't fly (the lady literally said "well you can leave it here but since it's an unintended bag, it'll be destroyed") In addition, when I got to England I had to bang the thing back into shape with a hammer to undo the damage that it had suffered in transit. So I got the message loud and clear: it's us verses them, and we don't have much leverage.

The people who work for the airline, in my experience, are overworked andunderpaidand forced by some corporate bean counter to adhere to rules thattheylikely think are BS too. Be considerate, and friendly but resolute.

finally a BIG caveat... Most of my issues have been in ATL and leaving the Uk. Usually for me, the first leg is out of Nashville, and there probably isn't a better airport in the world to fly out of with an instrument. All that to say YMMV.

That said, you never know. Philly is astraightup hostile airport in some ways. Yet the only conversation I've ever had about myinstrumentswentlike this. Them: "what are those" Me:{briefexplanationof the dulcimer and how it works} Them: Cool!

Also, I don't recommend Apple Creek dulcimers for the most part...but if you can get this one for $64 it's worth it just for the case. http://www.amazon.com/Applecreek-PKACD150K-Hourglass-Shaped-Dulcimer/dp/B001AV3OZG/ref=sr_1_11?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1357598580&sr=1-11&keywords=apple+creek

anything that fits in a McSpadden bag should be fine.

Good Luck!!

folkfan
@folkfan
01/07/13 04:33:47PM
357 posts



The post that I have had pop up very quickly and then disappear mentioned Aaron O'Rourke. I've missed the bottom half of the comment every time. Was that the one you deleted??

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/07/13 02:47:51PM
1,848 posts



It's just me and my elusive ways. I like to keep you guessing.

Actually, folkfan, there was an earlier comment that I deleted, but my most recent comment in this discussion just preceding your post is still there, as far as I can see.

folkfan said:

Dusty, Every time I try to read your reply, it disappears and never comes back. Weird

folkfan
@folkfan
01/07/13 02:34:33PM
357 posts



Dusty, Every time I try to read your reply, it disappears and never comes back. Weird

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/07/13 12:02:59AM
1,848 posts



It is true that the law only guarantees that you can bring your instrument on board if it fits in the overhead compartment. However, that is more than is guaranteed for other carry-ons which are limited in size.

At a dulcimer festival this past summer I asked Aaron O'Rourke how he traveled with his dulcimers. He uses a David Beede dulcimer with a radiused fretboard whose precise curve is customized and a Clemmer banjammer that has also been fitted with a custom bridge and nut to bring the strings closer together. Neither is easily replaceable, in other words. He puts them in one of those double gig bags which he then puts into one of those huge hard plastic (SKB?) containers made for a set of golf clubs. He surrounds the gig bag with clothes, towels, and other items to make sure it can't move. Since the airlines are used to those large golf bag containers, they seem to handle it OK, though sometimes it costs extra due to its size.

folkfan
@folkfan
01/06/13 09:56:27PM
357 posts



Paul, Thanks for confirming what I was going by. The law doesn't guarantee that you can carry an instrument aboard, just that instruments are allowed as in cabin carry-on, if they fit the compartment space and if that space is available when boarding. And that you won't have to render up your firstborn as payment. But as the article points out, since many people are carrying everything they can on board, the over-head space quickly fills up.

The last flight I was on had so much stuck into bins, that people boarding after me had to have their bags either gate checked or crammed in bins. And I mean crammed. Attendants were pushing and shoving and slamming bags in and out of bins trying to get them closed. Made me shudder, but thankful that my carry on bag had nothing fragile in it.

Having your carry-on gate checked isn't uncommon. Having the entire last section to board gate check their luggage has been known to happen. So it's a good idea to make sure that your instrument is prepared for the belly of the beast, along with anything that won't fit under the seat in front of you.

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
01/06/13 08:03:34PM
242 posts



This is the newest info: http://www.fretboardjournal.com/blog/skies-are-now-guitar-friendly-congress-orders-airlines-let-you-carry-your-musical-instrument

As Congress has made it's move, it will take a 10 Million Man March to make them revise it again. Don't expect any further changes in this law, unless the changes favor the Airlines.

Whether an instrument fits is dependent upon the size of the case and the size of the bins or underseat area. A Mt. Dulcimer is usually fairly small, compared to guitars, banjos and cellos, etc. I wouldn't worry about a 100 lb suitcase being placed on top of your dulcimer, the weight limit for checked luggage is 50 lbs and the overweight fees are downright scary. This is the reason so many people have large carry on bags. My dulcimer fit in the overhead bin of every aircraft I have boarded with it, but there may be some puddle jumpers it won't fit into. If you are concerned, my suggestion is a small dulcimer for traveling, such as Ron Ewing's Dulcimette, or David Beede's Edee Beedee. There is also Sweetwoods instruments travel model, and a number of other makers build small models. I lean towards Sweetwoods Travel Model, as it protects the fretboard. Plus, one can stash a couple sandwiches inside it. Most airlines don't provide meals any more. They will sell you food, but order early as they don't carry a lot. On a long flight, it can run out.

You may want to look at dimensions of the small models and see how much smaller they actually are. Try a few at a festival if possible. The short scale length may be to your liking, but if you have Grizzle Bear sized paws, you may be less impressed.

Alternatives: A cardboard dulcimer, or inexpensive beginner model, shipped to a friend near your destination, and held for your arrival. This can work if you visit fairly regularly, but if you have no friend in the area, it may not be workable.The cardboard ones are repairable with glue and brown grocery bag paper as long as the fret board isn't damaged. I suspect the fret board alone could be brought along, and attached to a small kitchen roasting pan for casual playing. You can buy the pan at home, or at your destination. I suspect a salad bowl might sound better than the roaster. If you try this, and start selling them, let me know. I might just buy one.

Paul

folkfan
@folkfan
01/05/13 07:08:57PM
357 posts



http://www.fretboardjournal.com/blog/skies-are-now-guitar-friendly-congress-orders-airlines-let-you-carry-your-musical-instrument

The gentleman who had a cardboard case was lucky that there was room in the storage closet. If the attendant hadn't stored it there, it would have had to fit in the overhead storage bin, and there would have to be enough bin space available for it to be a carry on.

Does anyone have any more up to date info on the current regs. in place?

folkfan
@folkfan
01/05/13 11:24:45AM
357 posts



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/vintage-gibson-guitar-delta-baggage-leevees-214634001.html

This hurts. Whatever the law says about carrying on an instrument, just don't assume it will be followed. Airlines break guitars.

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
04/20/12 08:07:03PM
242 posts



I haven't carried a dulcimer on an airplane for the past three years, as I have been carrying guitars on those trips. The times I did take a dulcimer, I had no problems at all. They fit into the overhead of every plane I got on, and no crew member ever said a word about it. One or two asked if there would be music during the flight, that was it. Full size dreadnought guitars in plywood or molded plastic cases will not fit the overheads of any except the largest aircraft, but that is off topic. My dulcimer has flown from Cleveland to Oklahoma city by way of Houston, and twice to Hawai`i by way of Chicago. Never a problem. I use a card board case, and that's fine in the overheads. The new law says you are allowed to carry an instrument on board "As long as it fits either under the seat, or in the overhead bin." If there isn't room for it, the attendant may be able to place it in a closet at the front of the plane. My guitars have been placed in closets at on least 5 flights over the past 3 years. This is a good option, and I highly recommend it when possible. If you are in the last few groups boarding, and the closet is full, the overheads are still an option, but if it won't fit, the attendant has no choice but to gate check it for you. Gate checking means it ends up in the cargo hold with the checked baggage, but it goes in on top, because you carry it to the airplane yourself, and hand it over to a flight attendant, after trying the closet/overhead possibilities. It probably ends up on top of the luggage, and it is supposed to be handed back to you as you leave the plane. This avoids the 2 most likely damaging parts of the whole experience: Baggage Handlers and the conveyor/carousel situation. Some airlines will not return the instrument to you at the plane, instead sending it to the carousel. Ask the flight attendant to have it returned to you at the plane with the baby strollers. Those are getting special handling, and will be given to the parents at the door of the jetway, just off the airplane. I never ask about boarding with an instrument, I just carry it to the plane, usually in some type of backpack harness. I use this for guitar/banjo cases: http://www.elderly.com/accessories/items/BACK.htm They make a smaller sized one that might work for a dulcimer case. When I reach the plane, I ask if there is closet space,if not, I put the dulcimer in the overhead. Done. I don't advise using a soft case. If the dulcimer has to go in the cargo hold, it could be damaged. Bing had this problem, there is a YouTube about the incident. No case is completely immune to baggage handler lunacy, but an aluminum gun case is probably as close to immunity as can be gotten. Don't buy a used one in a yard sale or thrift store, if it has had a fired gun in it, gun powder residue will make the bomb sniffing equipment go crazy! Buy a new one and don't use it for your Tommy Guns, keep it strictly for dulcimers or camera stuff. When you buy these cases, you cut the foam lining to fit the gun you are using it with. In your case, you cut it to fit your dulcimer. It's the best protection you can get for a dulcimer. There are very fine flight cases for guitars, but not enough market for a dulcimer version to be made. I don't like a gig bag in the back of my car, let alone in an airplane. You never know who will get on after you, and try to shove "who knows what" into a full bin. Cardboard cases have been OK so far, but it only takes once. It may be worth looking into a smaller sized dulcimer, or an inexpensive travel or beginner dulcimer, if you are still concerned. If you are playing gigs, this may not be an option. You may want your favorite with you.

Paul

Ben Barr Jr
@benjamin-w-barr-jr
04/20/12 08:13:26AM
64 posts



Not too much that I can add to this discussion. I haven't flown in many years now. However, when I used to fly about once or twice a year, I never had any problem, but that was a while ago.

I always stowed my dulcimer in the overhead bin and would keep an eye on things to make sure someone didn't try to jam things up against it. But now with tighter regulations and passengers attempting to carry all their gear by carry-ons, it certainly has become a different game.

On one flight I was seated in the mid section of a plane near the front (not first class) and there wasn't enough room, so the flight attendant stored it nearby in another section and showed me where it would be and she was very polite and asked if there was anything else I needed.

folkfan
@folkfan
04/20/12 03:53:49AM
357 posts



I think a major portion of the problem you'll have is on loading. Depending on which section you manage to get in on and how much others have carried on before you, there may or may not be much room left in the bins. And the space breaks up in to smaller and tighter spaces as those overhead bins fill up. There have been a couple of times I know of recently that the last loading section had all their carry on luggage gate checked. No ifs ands or maybes. There was not room in the bins for what they were carrying and it went to the belly of the beast.

If you are travelling on different airlines be sure that the size for a check in bag is the same size. Though as I remember Bing Futch got on one plane and discovered that the bins had all been cut down in size and his instrument didn't fit anymore. Here's part of that story.

http://www.everythingdulcimer.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2...

Hope your travels are better, and that you can find an overhead bin with enough space for your instrument, and don't have any other passenger force their bag in on top of yours. The last trip I took on American to England was a disaster with over crowding. One of the earlier flights had mechanical problems and half of that flight ended up traveling in the evening on mine. Not one seat was free. And bags were being shuffled up and down the plane trying to fit them in. It delayed departure. So be prepared.

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
04/20/12 03:20:41AM
239 posts



I'm sure you will be fine. I've carried a travel guitar (baby Taylor size) and a dulcimer (McSpadden Ginger) on inter-continental flights to Asia and Central America from the UK - and we don't have the benefit of the new US regulations. I would suggest that you actuallyfly with the smallest, lightest case you can for the instrument - a fitted gig bag like the McSpadden one is great.That way itlooks like an instrument to airline staff and security will look certain to fit easily in an overhead. And place it yourself in the overhead bin - just keep an eye on other passengers loading that bin and offer to help them. I never ask permission to carry on - wait until you are challenged and then pull out the new US regs.

A Ginger has proved an excellent option for travelling - it's gig baglooks like a fiddle case and so airline staff are dead scared about its potential value and leave well alone!!!!

Here it is in Costa Rica

folkfan
@folkfan
04/19/12 10:19:32PM
357 posts



If you can try to get into a situation where you can board early and get your dulcimer in the overhead. Then pray that all other bags that will also be shoved into the same compartment don't over fill. I remember one attendant yelling down the length of the plane to a man who just put in the last suitcase in the bin that the bin had to close. She ended up coming down and taking it out. I don't know where she finally stuck that case. It's alright for the government to say that the airlines have to take the instruments but no one has quite figured out how they are going to get all the extra carry on bags in the plane. Several times now family members when traveling have been in boarding groups where their carry on bags weren't even taken into the plane as the plane's compartments were crammed full. Everything for that group of passengers had to be gate checked. Or you could always buy a seat for your instrument and have no problem.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/19/12 08:14:18PM
1,848 posts



Just a couple of months ago, Congress passed a law on this issue, mandating that all airlines allow passengers to carry on any musical instrument that will fit in the overhead. Check out the New York Times article: http://intransit.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/flying-with-instruments-gets-easier-for-musicians/

Of course it would still be a good idea to garner the support of the flight attendants, but you now have the law on your side.

folkfan
@folkfan
04/19/12 07:54:12PM
357 posts



Whatever you do don't plan on putting your case under the seats. I've yet to see a plane that has a completely obstruction free area under the seats to begin with. Plus the person sitting next to you might seriously object to having what foot room the plane does proved for each seat taken up by your extra long under seat bag. Plus if the flight is of any length, your legs might protest the cramped spacing they'd get if you completely fill the space in front of you with a bag.

If I was going to carry a dulcimer with me, I'd get a gun case or golf club case and pay the extra for check in baggage. But trying to carry it on, nope. Sometimes passengers even end up having to check their carry on bags as there isn't enough room for all the luggage people carry on in the overhead bins. So you'd have to be prepared for that situation anyway.

Ivan Bradley
@ivan-bradley
10/16/12 01:32:19PM
31 posts



I'd suggest you go to Psaltery Strings and check out some of the videos and/or audios linked there. As for Rick Long's Psalteries, his page Ringing Strings has all sorts of information as well as lots of videos of his instruments alone and in groups with other instruments. He also puts up a short sound file for each instrument he has listed for sale. I realize recordings don't always give an accurate feel for the true sound of an instrument but that's about the best I can suggest right now.

Ivan Bradley
@ivan-bradley
10/09/12 12:30:58PM
31 posts



I have both the tenor and tenor D psalteries from Rick Long. Although I must admit to playing the chromatic tenor more often, the D tenor is very useful for playing with dulcimer, Actually, it's not all that hard to tune the two C#'s down to C so you can play in the key of G as well. Also, remember even on the diatonic D tenor you can play in all the modes associated with the major keys of D and G with only the retuning of the two C strings as appropriate.

Susie
@susie
10/08/12 11:31:12AM
512 posts



Rick is the only maker that I know of that makes the D psalteries. All the makers usually make chromatic versions...which have pegs/strings on both sides. The one side are your natural notes, like the white keys of a piano and the other side are your sharps/flats, like the black keys of a piano. The D psaltery would be very easy to learn, but limited to playing in the key of D. My chromatic, from Unicorn Strings is nice in that it comes with clear plastic note guides that show the note of each string. It really helps learning, put you have to know how to read music. They can be removed later on as you get better or you can leave them on, as they are not obtrusive. I love the idea of its being chromatic, so I can play in any key.

Susie
@susie
04/18/12 05:01:52PM
512 posts



Rick makes fine psalteries. I have a Unicorn Strings 2.5 octave chromatic psaltery. They are fun to play, sound beautiful and accompany the dulcimer nicely. They are great portable instruments. Good luck in selling your dulcimer.


updated by @susie: 02/16/16 12:29:22AM
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
05/31/13 08:30:21AM
2,157 posts



DT -- many dulcimers can't use fine tuners because there just isn't room (even for a bead-type fine tuner, not to mention a violin-type fine tuner) aft of the bridge and before the strings turn over the end to the string pins. Especially one the older style instruments with nut and bridge at the extreme ends of the box.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
05/30/13 07:28:42PM
1,848 posts



I can't speak to the difficulties folkfan has using zither pins with arthritic hands. But in general I find that although zither pins are harder to tune than geared tuners, they stay in tune much better. Some folks who teach dulcimer to kids prefer zither pins because the kids can't mess with them and put their instruments out of tune.

On my autoharp (made by my uncle at Paw Print Autoharps) he uses not only zither pins but fine tuners similar to those on violins. I am surprised more dulcimers don't have fine tuners.

folkfan
@folkfan
05/30/13 05:07:02PM
357 posts



Jerry, Are you asking about the zither pins on my courting box dulcimer? If you are, then my answer would be that I don't play it as much as I do other dulcimers I have that use geared guitar type of tuners. I have arthritis in my hands. There are times that I a just can't get the zither pins accurately tuned using a wrench. Just gripping the wrench can hurt.

Here's a photo of a smaller instrument I have that uses zither pins.

http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/photo/img4887-1?context=user

I'm ready to trash this one as I can't tune the pins on it at all. Good day or bad they are so tight and stiff that controlling the wrench is just too awkward.

Susie
@susie
04/15/12 10:59:00AM
512 posts



Barbara, that is cool! Thanks for sharing it.

Folkfan, love your courting dulcimer, how does it sound? It's on the order of the Sweetwoods Travel Dulcimer.

The only one I can share is a picture of a dulcimer where the sound holes are actually natural holes in the wood. Not real unusual to some, but it isvery neat.

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