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Susie
@susie
11/25/23 07:49:53AM
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Reasons NOT To Get a Chromatic


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Nightingale:

So, in my mind, let a guitar be a guitar, let a banjo be a banjo and let a dulcimer be a dulcimer.

 

This is my feeling as well. I play (or played) several fretted chromatic instruments. The dulcimer is unique in its diatonic tradition. I find it simple, yet challenging; which in turn provides a refreshing approach to my music. 

That said, I respect others who have personal and valid reasons for choosing to play a chromatic dulcimer.


updated by @susie: 11/25/23 07:50:34AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
11/24/23 08:03:06AM
2,403 posts

Reasons NOT To Get a Chromatic


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@Lisa-Golladay 's post covered the practical pros & cons quite well.


updated by @strumelia: 11/24/23 08:03:37AM
Lenard
@lenard
11/24/23 07:10:45AM
9 posts

Reasons NOT To Get a Chromatic


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Ken Hulme:

TRADITION! 


When asked about dulcimer with “extra" frets, Jean Ritchie replied “In a strict sense it has a different finger board, it’s not quite a dulcimer anymore.”    


You can find all the notes in the dulcimer's range, but you have to be willing to re-tune at least one string to do so (takes less than 30 seconds, with practice).

If you want a chromatic instrument lay a guitar on your lap and play that.  Or I can build you an  "acoustic lap guitar". Just don't call it a dulcimer.   Part of the essential definition of Dulcimer, to many of us, is the diatonic fretboard.

If you are playing mostly "classic dulcimer songs" especially from tabulature rather than SMN, it will be 'more difficult' because the fret numbering convention is different, and you'll have to find the fewer diatonic frets among the plethora of chromatic frets.  You won't be able to simply count 1,2,3,4... to find a tab numbered fret.  With a chromatic instrument that becomes
1/2,1,1-1/2, 2, 3, 3-1/2, 4, 4-1/2, 5, 6, 6-1/2,7......

Dia-chromatic fretboard.jpg

Also, IMHO the 'sound' of a chromatic "dulcimer" is different when you slide from note to note -- because of all the intervening chromatic notes between diatonic notes -- I hear those slides as 'muddier'...


 

Yes, I agree with Jean Ritchie.  For me, the dulcimer is diatonic in nature, anything else is not quite a dulcimer.

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
11/24/23 07:07:57AM
67 posts

I've Just Bought a BANJO !!!!


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Let's see your performance to enjoy.

dulcimerbob
@dulcimerbob
11/23/23 10:28:10AM
2 posts

My music for free


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download all my dulcimer music for free at dulcimerbob.com

ocean-daughter
@ocean-daughter
11/19/23 07:12:49PM
46 posts

April Come She Will (Simon & Garfunkel)


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I just happened upon this.  Art Garfunkel has such a lovely voice, and presents songs so beautifully.  I have loved this song since I was about ten. 

ocean-daughter
@ocean-daughter
11/19/23 07:05:38PM
46 posts

What to call your dulcimer collection?


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Hi all.  I was just having fun re-reading this thread...I think I call mine the herd, though perhaps I should say the flock, because I tend to give them bird names...

ocean-daughter
@ocean-daughter
11/19/23 01:09:13PM
46 posts

Contra dancing :)


OFF TOPIC discussions

A few days ago at my ballroom studio (where I dance, not which I own Laugh ) we did a "quadrille."  It reminded me of scenes from Jane Austen movies.  We were one person short of two group of eight; I suggested calling someone in from the street, but instead they used a large balloon of Mickey Mouse as a place holder (but he couldn't go round the circle weaving between the "follows," aka the ladies.  Actually I think Mickey was a follow, he would have needed to weave between the leads). 

Anyway, it was fun.  In ballroom we don't usually do such organized formation.  It's just a bunch of couples waltzing or foxtrotting and making sure to avoid colliding with each other. 

I'll have to see whether (or where!) there is a contra dance here in Los Angeles county.  You know there's gotta be one. 

Strumelia
@strumelia
11/17/23 08:27:38AM
2,403 posts

I've Just Bought a BANJO !!!!


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

It's always a great time to get interested in banjos. (or dulcimers!)

Nate
@nate
11/17/23 07:39:12AM
442 posts

I've Just Bought a BANJO !!!!


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Well Ken, I'd suppose that is 6 years of skill developed!mrdance

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
11/17/23 07:30:11AM
2,157 posts

I've Just Bought a BANJO !!!!


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Shannon -- you do realize this thread was last editied 6 years ago, don't you?

Susie
@susie
11/16/23 06:56:32AM
512 posts

Dulcimer and mandolins


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@DaveBerry, beautiful music, talented artists, and awesome video. Thanks for sharing!


updated by @susie: 11/16/23 06:57:07AM
shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
11/16/23 02:54:33AM
67 posts

Dulcimer and mandolins


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

DaveBerry:

Hi All,


I'm new here and looking for examples of videos or audio of dulcimer and mandolin played together in an ensemble. I hope this is the correct place to put this. I love Appalachian Mandolin & Dulcimer by Butch Baldassari & David Schnaufer. My latest project shown in this video (thanks for the comments many have made) is more of an ensemble encompassing multiple genre's I'm more interested.


Thanks much for this wonderful site.


cheers,


Dave


https://daveberrymusic.net/home


DaveBerry:

Hi All,


I'm new here and looking for examples of videos or audio of dulcimer and mandolin played together in an ensemble. I hope this is the correct place to put this. I love Appalachian Mandolin & Dulcimer by Butch Baldassari & David Schnaufer. My latest project shown in this video (thanks for the comments many have made) is more of an ensemble encompassing multiple genre's I'm more interested.


Thanks much for this wonderful site.


cheers,


Dave


https://daveberrymusic.net/home


 

I bet the lack of videos of dulcimer and mandolin playing together is now pushing you to make a video of it.

Janis Lewman
@janis-lewman
11/14/23 05:54:24PM
13 posts

Jim Fox student dulcimers


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Does anyone have information on these dulcimers?  It is 3-string, tuned DAD, and elliptical shape. Amazingly sweet sound.  My sister had 9 that she used when teaching. All now sold but one and I have a potential buyer but would like any information available to provide to the buyer. 

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
11/14/23 01:52:20AM
67 posts

Any banjo players out there?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Paul Rappell: Paul Certo said:

I play banjo, also. I started with guitar in '66, banjo in '68. But after starting to learn dulcimer in '90,I really got more interested in banjo again after hearing clawhammer players playing with dulcimer players. The combination just feels right to me.
Paul


It's never too late to start over!Different combinations of instruments have appealed to me, too, Paul. Back in the seventies I thought that Appalachian dulcimer and synthesizer would make a great combination. Go figure.Kate and Anna McGarrigle used a variety of instrumental mixes, even dual clawhammer on "Excursion a Venise" in concert (you can find it on YouTube), with Kate and sister Jane. The Transatlantic Sessions (lots of it on YouTube) feature a variety of North American and British Isles instrumental combinations. Banjo and dulcimer sounds like a great mix. A friend once gave me "The Best of Just Friends", a dulcimer CD by George Haggerty from Vermont, and it's filled with combinations: dulcimer with guitar, tin whistle, concertina, fiddle, bodhran, banjo, mandolin. The Fuzzy Mountain String Band had dulcimer in among all those fiddles and banjos.Hmmm ... How about banjo, dulcimer, and Northumbrian smallpipes?Messing with the banjo could be the musical equivalent of working on your bicycle. The Orpheum has been "tweaked" lately with head tightening and replacing the bridge with the one that came with the banjo when first purchased. If the sound needs to be "plunkified", stuffing something between the head and dowel stick works well. The old metal mute also completely changes the tone.

 

The combination of instruments in use guarantees some excellent tunes for dancing.

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
11/13/23 09:25:34PM
445 posts

Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi, Matthew!  It's good to have you here on this site.  Lots of info and music to be learned.  If at some future date you'd like to try your hand at playing a historic reproduction of early noter-drone dulcimers (some of us call them "dulcimores"), there are a few builders of them on the site.  Have fun!

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
11/13/23 12:50:02PM
1,338 posts

A conversation with Italian dulcimer player Gianna Williams


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I agree with Ken. That's a great interview. You did a good job. Thanks for sharing it.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/13/23 12:13:16PM
1,848 posts

Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi @matthewlyon and welcome to FOTMD.  Glad to hear you've come back to the mountain dulcimer again.  And certainly, playing a dulcimer with really high action would be more comfortable in a noter style.

MatthewLyon
@matthewlyon
11/13/23 10:09:30AM
1 posts

Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hello all, thought I'd post an introduction here... I realized that my earlier attempt was on my own personal profile page! 

I'm recently returning to playing dulcimer; I played back in the late 1970's as a teenager and play several other instruments (guitar, banjo, uke, fiddle, Celtic harp, tin whistle, etc) and currently lead a community ukulele group with my wife.

I'm playing noter/drone style pretty exclusively with an interest in traditional diatonic music from a variety of sources from Appalachian old-time to bagpipe music and European folk of various types. My wife surprised me with a dulcimer earlier this month and it's very well suited to noter style... 29.25" VSL, pretty high action and no "extra" frets, it's purely diatonic. It's kind of a mystery as to how old it is and who built it. Very folksy craftsmanship, but the frets are accurate and it sounds good, so noter style it is!

We live in western Montana where dulcimer players are few and far between but I'm a childhood transplant here from Southern Illinois with many generations of folks from Kentucky... perhaps there's a dulcimer player not too far back in my family tree. Really enjoying browsing the forum, it's a great resource and so much knowledge here! Cheers, ML

Redmando
@redmando
11/13/23 06:09:05AM
28 posts

A conversation with Italian dulcimer player Gianna Williams


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The weather in Italy will be lovely next March. Wouldn't it be nice to have a mountain dulcimer festival there? Read on, in my "Conversations with Mountain Dulcimer Players" blog:

Conversation with Gianna Williams

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
11/12/23 03:12:51PM
2,157 posts

Maple, and only maple, for a dulcimer?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

I've made and played a number of all maple dulcimers over the years.   Durable certainly; it's maple after all, not Aspen or Balsa wood.   A bit harder than walnut or cherry.

 "Good sound", like "Beauty" is in the eye/ear of the beholder.  What you consider "good" might not be so 'good' to me or someone else.  I prefer a "highly silvery" sound, where others prefer a more "mellow" tone like a baritone uke or guitar.  This is why we highly recommend you hear the dulcimer you're going to buy.  

Mary_Adelee
@mary-adelee
11/12/23 01:57:37PM
2 posts

Maple, and only maple, for a dulcimer?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Thank you so much for the words of wisdom!  As usual, they are much appreciated!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/12/23 12:17:12PM
1,848 posts

Maple, and only maple, for a dulcimer?


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You do indeed see lots of dulcimers made entirely of a single hard tonewood, most commonly walnut, but cherry and maple as well.  They are not as common as dulcimers with  one of those woods for the back and sides and soft tonewood such as spruce, cedar or redwood for the top.  The top plays a bigger part in the sound than do the back and sides, so an all-maple dulcimer would, as Strumelia says, have a bright, crisp tone. Additionally, it would likely have exceptional sustain. I believe Linda Brockinton mainly plays an all-maple McSpadden specifically for the extra sustain to enhance her soft, fingerstyle play.

Strumelia
@strumelia
11/12/23 10:38:08AM
2,403 posts

Maple, and only maple, for a dulcimer?


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Speaking further about sound box sizes-  I also have an all-curly-maple hummel (mtn dulcimer like in many ways) which has a very large and deep sound box/body... and even though it's all maple it has a big resonant mellow tone. My maple mtn dulcimer has a very shallow depth body, and thus its voice is crisp and clear, less 'mellow'. They are both all maple but very different body dimensions and so have different tones.

"Good" sound can mean something different depending on personal taste.  Both my all-maple instruments sound wonderful, but they sound very different from each other!


updated by @strumelia: 11/12/23 10:40:24AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
11/12/23 10:33:38AM
2,403 posts

Maple, and only maple, for a dulcimer?


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My Keith Young curly maple dulcimer is all maple, even the fingerboard, and it sounds great and is in perfect condition after 26 years. I used it for this site's logo . Maple has a nice crisp sound, as opposed to slightly 'mellower' tone of walnut or spruce for example. It's also pretty hard, so (I'm guessing) would be a little less likely to get dinged. That said, I feel the volume and dimensions of the sound box tends to be a bigger factor in the tone of the sound than the type of wood does.

Mary_Adelee
@mary-adelee
11/12/23 10:12:37AM
2 posts

Maple, and only maple, for a dulcimer?


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Is a dulcimer with maple top, sides and back considered to be a good sounding, durable dulcimer?

Strumelia
@strumelia
11/10/23 01:07:18PM
2,403 posts

PLEASE Click to READ THIS before posting items for sale here. New requested small fee for sellers.


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

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Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
11/10/23 07:55:46AM
2,157 posts

VSL Breakpoint Angles, Radiuses, and Excess String Lengths


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AS Strumelia (the boss) said 3 years ago. Let's keep the discussion to the original topic Question:  String Break Angles, VSL, Radii, Excessive String Length

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
11/10/23 04:05:05AM
67 posts

VSL Breakpoint Angles, Radiuses, and Excess String Lengths


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Sam:

I'm seeing some fingerboards stop slightly south of the last fret and a saddle or bridge like that of a violin actually afixed to the body of the dulcimer. Matter of fact, I have come to believe that only imagination limits the styles and or structure of our beloved instruments ... and that's ok. If we accrue knowledge of the instrument and it's many variations, we will pick up sufficient terminology to understand what most folks are talking about. If we don't understand, I've yet to see a builder or musician that would not take a moment to explain. 

 

All it needs to maintain is its tune.

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
11/09/23 03:15:31AM
67 posts

ABC Notation songs and software


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John Tose:

I use ABC notation all the time. It's a great way to store a lot of music scores and pass them on as they use very little memory, it all being just writing. There are a lot of freely available software options depending on your operating system. I used to use ABC2Win but when we upgraded to Windows XP it wouldn't work properly so I use ABC Navigator instead. Only downside of that one is that it doesn't include a beginners guide to writing ABC. For the uninitiated the ABC above for Little Liza Jane - you would highlight it, and copy the whole thing into an ABC file on your computer, then using your ABC program when you open it it transforms it into a nicely laid out score. The program will even play it back to you, including endless repeats and at whatever speed you want, which is great for learning new tunes. ABC Navigator uses a quite pleasant concertina-like sound.

On the whole I find it very easy to use and after a bit of practice to write tunes out in. So much so that if I was jotting a tune down in a notebook now I'd do it in ABC, then when I got home I'd type it into the program and it'd play it for me.

Brilliant. One downside is that it only works for a single melody line. So great for folk music, but not if you want a score that includes a harmony line. Another is that ABC written on one program might not be entirely compatible with another, so if you've downloaded a song, you might have to change it a bit to work on your program. Looking at Liza above, I can see in fact that it wouldn't play properly on ABC navigator - it wouldn't like the unfinished bars at the end of line one and 3. Easy to fix though.

Just do a search for ABC notation and you'll find useful `how to' guides.

 

I want to hear what pleasant concertina sound is.

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
11/08/23 02:23:30AM
67 posts

Play Music On The Porch Day 2019


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I just love this thread and the people who make it as it is.

Brad Richard
@brad-richard
11/07/23 09:25:48AM
13 posts

6 String Dulcimer Question


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Appreciate everyone's input. I decided to drop and couple of strings and am now down to four (I kept the octave string at the bottom. I like it a lot more, but may end up going to 3 strings. I'm learning to play finger dance and fewer strings makes everything easier.

Bob Stephens
@bob-stephens
11/06/23 11:18:47PM
19 posts

6 String Dulcimer Question


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Another possible direction is to use the extra strings to create a non-standard sound.  I typically tune my five string dulcimers with an unmatched pair of notes in the upper and lower courses.  Use of DA-a-da yields a very contemporary sound that is great for improvising.  When playing with double strings it is important to have the action low at the nut so that it is easy to fret them.  Lots to try- have fun exploring.

Brad Richard
@brad-richard
11/06/23 09:18:10AM
13 posts

Basic Tuning Question


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Dusty - Great information. Thank you. I've been playing around with DAD and DGD and I've found I prefer DGD. For me the chord shapes seem easier to finger for the most part, through the first five frets anyway, and the melody string integrates easier. But I'm a rank newbie so it may change in time. Thanks for the help.

Brad

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/03/23 05:54:50PM
1,848 posts

Basic Tuning Question


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Brad Richard: Just out of curiosity, why is DAD tuning so popular?
 

I think there are two questions there, Brad. The first is why tuning to D became standard and the second is why DAd (or 1-5-8 or the mixolydian tuning) is so common.


I'm pretty sure that once upon a time, people would tune a dulcimer to whatever tone resonated most saliently in that given dulcimer.  They would "hoo in the hole," literally hum into the soundhole, find a tone that sounded really special, and tune to that.  Later on, I think tuning to C was most common, and to be honest, I wish we still tuned to C because it would make explaining music theory so much easier.  But I think around the time of the dulcimer renaissance in the late 60s or early 70s, people began tuning to D to play with fiddles, since there are so many fiddle tunes in D (and A -- It's those pesky guitar and banjo players who like playing in G).


In traditional drone play, you have to change the tuning of your melody string depending on the mode or scale of the melody you are playing.  In the key of D, the four most common tunings are DAA, DAd, DAC, and DAG.  The first two sound major and the latter two sound kind of minor.


When the 6+ fret became common--and it's pretty standard these days--a player could play in the mixolydian (DAd) or ionian (DAA) modes without re-tuning. How convenient!


You will often hear that chording is easier in DAd than in DAA.  I do not believe that the simple act of playing a chord is easier in one tuning than the other. And I actually prefer the sound of chords in DAA better than in DAd. They are more compact and more coherent.


This is only a theory, but I think playing melody & chords together is easier in DAd because out of one chord position you can reach a greater range of notes, basically three frets' worth.  The whole trick to chord/melody style is to be able to capture the melody out of chord positions with a minimum of hand movement.  And DAd simply gives us a greater tonal range out of any one hand position.  Anyway, that's my theory.


I happen to play in DAd 90 percent of the time because that was the most common tuning when I first started playing and I want to be able to play by instinct as much as possible, so that a musical idea goes from my head (or my heart) to my fingers with no hesitation, something that is much easier if you stick to one tuning. I also have a 1+ fret on my main playing dulcimers and find that with the 1+ and 6+, there is rarely a melody I can't get.


But I would never say that one tuning is superior to another.  DAd happens to be the most common these days, and that's why I started with it.  Now it's comfortable.  When I tune to other tunings, I have to think about what I'm doing, and who wants to do that?!dancecool


updated by @dusty: 11/04/23 02:35:53PM
Brad Richard
@brad-richard
11/03/23 05:30:45PM
13 posts

Basic Tuning Question


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Dusty, I see what you mean about the chromatic template. Thanks for the help. 

Just out of curiosity, why is DAD tuning so popular?

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
11/03/23 01:02:15AM
67 posts

ABC Notation songs and software


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Seems like I am going to check this software soon.

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