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Strumelia
@strumelia
04/10/18 07:16:20PM
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Dusty Turtle:I'm actually surprised.  Less than 4 GB for the whole thing.  Makes me wonder why servers have to be so big.

Hey I remember when 4 GB was considered HUGE... :D
ED is mostly a PHP forum, and text does not typically take up that much in terms of server size. Because of our multimedia content, FOTMD currently uses 23 GB of our 48 GB dedicated server.  If I wanted to put fomtd on a smaller/cheaper 24 GB server, we wouldn't have room for any new members or content, and I'd have to remove a bunch of content and members to allow for normal growth.


updated by @strumelia: 04/10/18 07:33:25PM
Brian G.
@brian-g
04/10/18 07:07:01PM
94 posts

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Dusty - it's tough to say because I was at work when the process was finished. I also did not realize that, although I was using a very fast computer I was accidentally connected wirelessly. Therefore, my transfer speeds were very slow, and the time wouldn't really be representative anyway.

I can state, though, that with that slow connection I was averaging about 25 kb/s, and last time I looked I had downloaded 84% of the site in 13h, 20m (using no more than 4 active connections).  A fast wired connection would dramatically reduce that time, and for someone just interested in the tunes, they
total what, a little over 200MB?  That wouldn't take much time at all.


updated by @brian-g: 04/10/18 07:08:25PM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/10/18 07:00:44PM
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Thanks, Brian. Just out of curiosity, how long did that download take?

I'm actually surprised.  Less than 4 GB for the whole thing.  Makes me wonder why servers have to be so big.

Brian G.
@brian-g
04/10/18 06:37:51PM
94 posts

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I promised to post final results, so here's what I have;

Total Website Size: 3.66GB

Number of files: 82,247

Number of Folders: 3,063

 

I know many people are interested in the tunes, specifically, so here's some information on that;

 

Tab PDFs: 1,397 files, 90.7 MB

Tab GIFs: 7 files, 268 KB

Tab JPGs: 15 files, 3.68 MB

Tab Word files: 6 files, 101 KB

Tab RTF Files: 2 files, 8 KB

MIDI files: 694 files, 2.43 MB

MP3s: 107 files, 123 MB

Lyrics Text files: 270 files, 716 KB

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
04/10/18 05:52:31PM
1,565 posts

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Thanks a million, Greg!  I've traveled through Logan hundreds of times and  Hide-A-Way Hills is in the Hocking Hills region, a rural area.  I hope I'll be able to find time to do some investigation into Amburgeys in the area! 

MTWaggin
@mtwaggin
04/10/18 04:19:38PM
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Wow that looks cool!   Not to be too light hearted but I'm thinking I'm going to need to figure out a craft project for all my extraneous picks eventually!  LOL


 


Elvensong:

 


 


Here's a couple of photos:  Pykmax


 


 



 

notsothoreau
@notsothoreau
04/10/18 03:45:08PM
46 posts

Possible Source of Wood for Instruments


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I sometimes go to Scrap in Portland. They have all sorts of donated art supplies. Last time I visited, they have a lot of piano parts. There were keys and some metal parts. The keys were not exotic woods, so we didn't buy any of it. We have an old portable pump organ in storage at our other place. I'd never thought about salvaging wood for a dulcimer, so I should take a second look at it.

Strumelia
@strumelia
04/10/18 02:57:24PM
2,416 posts

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I find my idea of my favorite pick changes from year to year.  I have a whole box of favorite picks I've collected over time, and they are not all that similar... It's funny how our own playing preferences can change and evolve!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/10/18 02:21:53PM
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Strumelia: Don't forget, Bruce did write the following:"We have some great resources like our tablature, articles and other items not directly associated with a user account that needs a place to live. I’m going to look for options of how best to make these resources available in perpetuity."

Bruce may well be making plans to house the Tabs and articles someplace online himself. 

Folks, just a reminder about Strumelia's reminder.  From what Bruce has said, it is likely that even if ED is shut down, the stable content (tabs, articles, etc) will likely still be available.


updated by @dusty: 04/10/18 02:22:30PM
Elvensong
@elvensong
04/10/18 01:55:14PM
9 posts

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Dusty Turtle:

It's probably not a good look on stage, but it's better than losing control of a pick and having it fly into the audience! 


 



I liked your entire response but I can definitely relate to the above. I found a fantastic new pick (I use the 1mm) and it addresses just about any pick foible you can imagine. Here are a couple of photos on my page:  Pykmax

Elvensong
@elvensong
04/10/18 01:50:43PM
9 posts

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I discovered my favorite pick only recently. It's called Pykmax and is a revolution in guitar picks (IMHO). It's really hard to describe how it works but it basically is a mini-platform that holds a pick and is cradled in your hand. It's fantastic! They come in different pick sizes but I use the purple 1mm.

After 5 minutes of playing I no longer realized it was there except for the wonderful freedom from pick slips, turns, bounces, fly aways and any other picking mishap you can imagine.   :D

Here's a couple of photos:  Pykmax

 

Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
04/10/18 01:42:52PM
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Terry Wilson:
MTWaggin:

So glad I am not the only one just starting and already collecting picks!  You guys are awesome!   I went to the local music store and just got one of any that looked interesting and had different shapes and sizes.  I did however avoid the finger picks (for now).   I also just ordered some felt and leather picks just to see.   I am struggling with the clacking (just makes me cringe) and realize it may also be the WAY I am strumming.   Anyway, I'm going to keep reading and learning.   Right there with you Nigelbleddfa.


I know we're not to hate on people, places or things, but I really do hate "clacking".

Imho: When strumming, try and strum across the strings, not down. But maybe you are already working on this approach.

I used to love to strum at around the 12th and 13th hole. But now, 80% of my strumming and picking are right at the end of the strum hollow, going left. No clacking!

I anchor the meaty part of my hand against the board where the nut is. This approach also helped to lessen hand pain.

All of this, of course, is a work in progress.

Good luck and happy strumming.
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/10/18 01:32:15PM
1,859 posts

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A few comments on pick clack.

First, you probably notice it more than any listeners would since you are right above the instrument and the clack does not bounce around in the box and get amplified the way the sound from the vibrating strings does. 

Second, you might indeed be hitting the fretboard when you pick or strum, but that is probably the only technical "mistake" that one might make. 

Third, although it might seem counter-intuitive, thinner picks make more of a clacking sound than heavier picks.  Consider moving to heavier picks and holding them loosely rather than tightly.

Fourth, you might indeed reduce pick clack with leather or felt picks, but you will never be able to control those picks enough to play lots of single notes, something you may want to do eventually even if you are mostly strumming now. 

And fifth, some of us don't hate the pick clack, so don't worry about it too much.  I liken it to the sound of fingers squeaking as they move along the strings. It is a nice reminder of the tactile nature of the instrument.  This is music being made by a person holding an instrument, not some digital creation made in a vacuum with no ambient noise.

Banjimer
@greg-gunner
04/10/18 01:31:51PM
142 posts

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Robin, 

There was a connection between Morris Jethro Amburgey and the Logan, Ohio area.  Here's the rest of the December 17, 1975 article from the Logan Daily News:

"Hide-A-Way Hills Man Creates Appalachian Music Instruments

By SUE CHENOWETH Daily News Staff Writer

Morris Amburgey thoroughly modern man. He’s the city engineer for Lancaster and flies his own Cessna 180 airplane. He and wife Gertrude frequently go camping in their recreational vehicle Their residence on Cardinal Lane in Hide-A-Way Hills is admirable for its beauty and originality. But Amburgey is also a Kentuckian from Hindman in Knott County, where the hills are so steep there’s no bottom land and no farms, just gardens. And remembering his mountain heritage and the songs he heard played on the dulcimer, Amburgey now makes the unique Appalachian instrument from an old pattern passed on to him by his father, Jethro Amburgey. “We try to make them with as few mechanical tools as possible,” Amburgey says. “We whittle and cut and chisel a lot of things out.” Among favorite tunes for the dulcimer are “Jackerow,” “Barbara Allen” or “Turkish Lady,” — heartbroken songs, Amburgey calls them. “If we lose our heritage of music like that, we’ll never regain it,” he says. To help keep the dulcimer and its music alive, Amburgey works about 40 hours making one dulcimer, which he’ll sell for about $50, only $10 above the costs of the materials. Amburgey’s dulcimer pattern came originally from Eddridge Thomas of Hindman, who taught Jethro how to make them. Jethro made 1,389 dulcimers, several of which are in the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, DC. Morris says his father was one of only two or three people who could make dulcimers in the decades from 1930 to 1950. Morris follows his father’s habit of distinguishing each dulcimer by etching his name, date and place completed, and number made. Since Morris owns a log cabin in Hindman, he puts that place name on the instruments. As long as Jethro lived, Morris didn’t make dulcimers, but after his father died in 1972, Morris picked up the tradition. He made his first one in 1973; the first five dulcimers were to finish his father’s orders. He has subsequently made about 40 of the instruments from either cherry or walnut. Amburgey explains that solid wood like his father used splits. His home workshop is well equipped, but Morris Amburgey carves, whittles and cuts in an old-time tradition to make the mountain dulcimer, a musical instrument native to the southern Appalachians. Amburgey makes his instruments in the same style as his late father, Jethro Amburgey. Morris’ 22-year-old son, Kenny, also is learning the techniques. (Daily News photo by Sue Chenoweth)"

It looks like Morris and his family lived on Cardinal Lane in Hide-A-Way Hills, but maintained ownership of a cabin in Hindman, Kentucky.  Are Cardinal Lane and Hide-A-Way Hills near Logan, Ohio?  There are a couple more interesting facts in the article. First, Morris's 22-year old son, Kenny Amburgey, was learning the techniques of dulcimer making from his father.  And second, Morris refers to Ed Thomas as the man who taught his father the craft of dulcimer-making, but calls him "Edridge Thomas".  It is not clear whether or not Kenny Amburgey followed through and made any dulcimers on his own, but he'd be about 65 years old now if he's still living in the Logan area.

Elvensong
@elvensong
04/10/18 01:28:54PM
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[quote="Ken Hulme"]

"There's no right way, or wrong way to play the dulcimer."  Just YOUR way. 

 

Hear Hear!

 

MTWaggin
@mtwaggin
04/10/18 01:23:35PM
2 posts

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So glad I am not the only one just starting and already collecting picks!  You guys are awesome!   I went to the local music store and just got one of any that looked interesting and had different shapes and sizes.  I did however avoid the finger picks (for now).   I also just ordered some felt and leather picks just to see.   I am struggling with the clacking (just makes me cringe) and realize it may also be the WAY I am strumming.   Anyway, I'm going to keep reading and learning.   Right there with you Nigelbleddfa.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
04/10/18 12:34:23PM
1,565 posts

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Wow, in the Logan Daily?  Was there a connection between the Amburgeys and Logan OH?  

Banjimer
@greg-gunner
04/10/18 11:55:29AM
142 posts

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From the December 17, 1975 Edition of the Logan Daily News – Logan, Ohio

“Dec 17, 1975 - As long as Jethro lived, Morris didn't make dulcimers, but after his father died in 1972,Morris picked up the tradition. He made his first one in 1973; the first five dulcimers were to finish his father's orders. He has subsequently made about 40 of the instruments from either cherry or walnut…”

John Gribble
@john-gribble
04/10/18 10:35:47AM
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That's very interesting. I hope we can learn more.

This instrument looks like a return to the craftsmanship, materials, and attention to detail Jethro's earlier instruments had.

 

 

nigelbleddfa
@nigelbleddfa
04/10/18 10:08:32AM
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Hello Joe,

It is quite a big job to download the entire website because you download its structure as well as its content  (tablature, articles, classifieds, etc).

I have already downloaded the site and have discovered that there are only 970 tablature files. PDF files are small and the whole lot of them take up only 82.2 MB. (I have not had the time to check the "articles".)

I am new to this forum but very experienced in forums generally having been on many, at different times, for the best part of twenty six years. As a newcomer, I am reluctant to make suggestions particularly as my announcement here of the proposed closure met with a response which I regarded as being rude. That post and my reply to it have been removed, presumably by moderators.

So, it is not for me to tell forum members what they should do. I would imagine that the site owner and moderators have already discussed the implications of the future closure and I should be grateful if they would offer some guidance on what may, or may not be, discussed here in relation to it.

Banjimer
@greg-gunner
04/10/18 09:29:44AM
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Jethro's son was named Morris Jethro Amburgey so the "M.J. Amburgey" signature on this dulcimer is most likely that of Jethro's son.    

Joseph Besse
@joseph-besse
04/10/18 09:03:31AM
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How can I download all of the tabs and articles to a flash drive? I do not know how to clone the site as Brian G. did.  I have a MacBook Air with 128 gig.

 

Joe

Brian G.
@brian-g
04/10/18 06:56:45AM
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Hi Jim,

I'll post my final results when I'm done, but as of right now, we are at 2.46GB, 69,150 files written, and elapsed time of 13h, 20m (using no more than 4 active connections).  I am using a very fast computer (overclocked i7-7700k CPU, liquid cooled, 32 gigs RAM), but am also using a wireless connection (that was an oversight on my part - my cable for hardwiring my connection is actually plugged into another computer nearby I was testing recently and I didn't notice it until now) so my transfer rate is pretty slow ~25kb/s).

Also, as I mentioned in my initial post (and Nigel also wrote below), this type of software is doing more than simply downloading. It actually parses the HTML files of websites and rebuilds the original site's directory and link structure. The result is that you can then load a page of the mirrored website in your browser and browse the site just as if you were doing it online.

John Gribble
@john-gribble
04/10/18 03:58:21AM
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Actually, Jethro Amburgey passed away in 1971. By that time he had made and numbered over a thousand instruments. The signature on this one is "M J Amburgey," dated 3-7-76, and is #42. So I would guess it was made by another member of his family, perhaps a son. Someone else who knows more about this stuff than I do can bring more information to the table. 

No matter. It looks like a very nice instrument in excellent condition. Enjoy!

 

 


updated by @john-gribble: 04/10/18 04:00:19AM
nigelbleddfa
@nigelbleddfa
04/10/18 02:56:42AM
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Having read the banner on the "ED" site I posted a notice here. Then, I set to work cloning the website. The owner of the website had given his implied consent for copying. I used HTTrack and I believe that I now have the whole site intact on my local computer.

The figures for me were as follows :

Computer using i5 processor and download speeds of 45 Meg

Website Site = 2.3 GB

976 Folders

57,617 files.

 

The software is "mining" software and it does more than just download data. The data is downloaded repeatedly as the website is reconstructed on your computer. In my case I think the whole operation took just over ten hours to complete.

 

 

 


updated by @nigelbleddfa: 04/10/18 05:58:24AM
Jim Hedman
@jim-hedman
04/10/18 02:22:40AM
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Brian, did you (or anyone else) download Everthing Dulcimer and if so what was the folder size?  This information would be useful with respect to the capacity of the external device contemplated.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/09/18 10:44:55PM
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Ken Hulme: As Dusty also says (he steals all my good lines)  Ask questions, and if we don't know the answer we'll make something up! 

Well there's no reason to steal the bad ones! nahnah

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
04/09/18 10:09:16PM
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ShowtimeGary's is an Amburgy from 1976. Signature in the strum hollow is seen on one of his images. I'm jealous.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/09/18 09:54:59PM
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Look inside the rear soundholes; there may be a maker's label visible.  Beautiful instrument, as Dusty says it is build for more traditional playing since it has no 6+ fret and traditional wooden pegs.  I've attached three articles I wrote for new players. 

The first is called I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What?  It's an illustrated glossary of dulcimer terms (so we all speak the same lingo), plus answers to many beginner questions about the tuning, playing, care and feeding of your new acquisition.

https://fotmd.com/forums/forum/dulcimer-resourcestabs-books-websites-dvds/17129/i-just-got-a-dulcimer-now-what

This one is an introduction to playing Noter & Drone -- one of two or three traditional ways to play (the others are Fingerdancing and the rare bowing)

https://fotmd.com/forums/forum/dulcimer-resourcestabs-books-websites-dvds/15049/get-noterized

The other attached file is all about the older Modal style of tunings (not the modern DAd, although it's mentioned) and how they relate to the diatonic (non-chromatic) fretboard of the traditional dulcimer.  

As Dusty also says (he steals all my good lines)  Ask questions, and if we don't know the answer we'll make something up!  

Enjoy your dulcimer journey!

 


Uncontrite Modal Folker.pdf - 92KB
Brian G.
@brian-g
04/09/18 09:31:23PM
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Hi Irene. Yes, you can choose the output location for the files, so you can specify to an external drive such as a USB thumb drive or an SD card, as long as it's big enough to hold the contents of the site you're trying to "mirror" (ie, copy).

IRENE
@irene
04/09/18 09:10:40PM
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great news.  however, I have an older computer and way slow internet.  bummers.  Could it all be downloaded to a THUMB DRIVE?  I could have a friend do that and then I'd have all those tunes, and so much good info on building dulcimers and etc.  Why can't someone else take it over?   aloha, irene

Brian G.
@brian-g
04/09/18 08:34:13PM
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The Wayback Machine is a great resource, but because our site of interest (ie, EverythingDulcimer.com) still currently exists, there's a better option - use a website copier program to simply download the entire website to your hard drive.

Properly configured, programs like this will rebuild the entire website locally, with all of the tab, mp3s, midis, articles, etc.  This takes a long time to do (as in hours in the case of EverythingDulcimer.com), depending on your internet speed and how "beefy" your computer is, but if you set it up and run it before you go to sleep, or before you head out to work, you may never notice. And it's a whole lot faster/more efficient than going through hundreds of tab files, articles, etc. to decide which ones you might like to keep and then downloading those individually. 

I use HTTrack because it's free and has a pretty good interface (as far as these types of programs are concerned).  But there are others that will also do the job, including WebWhacker, SiteSucker, SurfOffline, Grab-A-Site and more.

ShowtimeGary
@showtimegary
04/09/18 06:16:28PM
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Thanks all. I will be playing it Dusty. If it's got strings on it at my house it gets played.

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
04/09/18 05:49:05PM
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Showtimegary--that is an awesome instrument you have. Enjoy it.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/09/18 05:32:28PM
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@showtimegary. there is nothing we can tell you. You're on your own.

Ha! I'm kidding, of course. giggle2   You are going to get tons of advice from this site, and some of it might even be helpful!

First off, I would suggest you join both the Beginners Group and the Old Style Drone Players Group , since your dulcimer is intended for traditional styles of music.  Poke around there and see if there are old conversations that might help.

Secondly, don't be afraid to just play.  Put the dulcimer on your lap, tune it up, and start playing.  If you like what you hear, do it again.  If you don't, try something different.  Lots of people learned to play this instrument long before the internet or even tablature had been used.

If you are a beginner, Strumelia's Noter and Drone Blog  might be very helpful.

And when you have questions, speak up. If we don't know the answer, we'll make something up!winky

ShowtimeGary
@showtimegary
04/09/18 05:08:01PM
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Just bought my first Dulcimer and know very little about it. Is there anything you all could tell me ?


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linseytn
@linseytn
04/09/18 09:40:56AM
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I just started playing the dulcimer in January using a borrowed instrument.  Quickly decided that I wanted to continue playing and started looking for one of my own.  I knew I didn't want to play traditional music on an instrument made overseas so that ruled out some of the less expensive commercially produced instruments.  Stumbled across OldTyme Dulcimers on etsy.  He is located in north Georgia.  He built this instrument for me at what I thought was a very reasonable price.  Walnut and butternut with the two cute little cats for the soundholes.  I found the cat silhouettes I wanted to use and emailed to him.  He chose the tweety bird for the upper sound hole.  It came with four strings.  I just attended an intro to flatpicking workshop given by Tull Glazener which was excellent.  Love that sound and took off one of the melody strings to make it easier to flatpick.


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IRENE
@irene
04/08/18 11:19:49PM
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Thanks so much for all you teach here, including a way to find old sites closed down.  I read his letter as to why he's closing down and it's so understandable.  I'm sure we all wish Bruce the BEST in where he puts his time and efforts.  aloha, irene

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/08/18 10:28:45PM
2,157 posts

Possible Source of Wood for Instruments


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions


Most piano keys were never solid ebony or ivory, but rather maple or another hard wood with thin ebony or ivory overlays, and later phenolic and other early "plastic" overlays.  

A woodworker would need some special equipment to salvage the wood from a piano.  I built several dulcimers when I lived on Kwajalein, from WWII era solid mahogany desks and other military officer furnishings that I recycled.  A deep-throat bandsaw with the special jigs to re-saw thick wood into thin planks for starters, and a wide-mouthed plane as well as a wide-mouthed surface sander.  Otherwise the waste is horrendous.


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