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Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
11/12/17 07:12:35PM
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A tune that's out of reach


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@dulcimerjones  I'm always working at developing a better ear.  And learning the instrument-- what I think I can do with the mountain dulcimer within my playing capabilities.  It's a lifelong journey, I think.  :)

Figuring out a tune can take me months.  Most often, I prefer to work from a fiddle version(s) or a banjo version(s) of a tune to figure out the essence of a tune and how the tune will lay-out on the fretboard of a mountain dulcimer. 


updated by @robin-thompson: 11/12/17 07:16:41PM
Matt Berg
@matt-berg
11/12/17 07:53:28AM
105 posts

Fretboard Crack!!


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The builder did a wonderful job of putting together a unique instrument.  Eight strings on a thin scroll head is a lot of pressure.  The sides of the head are perhaps a tad thin for that many strings.

Every instrument has the danger of cracking.  An instrument as detailed as yours needs continuous care, especially to maintain constant humidity.  It cracked once and could crack again.  If you know a luthier nearby, ask them to look at the crack.

DulcimerJones
@dulcimerjones
11/11/17 05:17:04PM
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A tune that's out of reach


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I am so glad to hear some of your experienced players talk about working on a tune for years.  After 4 short years of playing mtn. dulcimer, I begin to realize I can't learn every song in a few days, or weeks.  When something seems out of reach, I put it down for a while & inevitably when I return to it, I find there is more to the tune than I previously thought.  I understand now that it's not the tune, but me who's changed-learned more, sharpened skills, etc.  Wow, still feels like magic to me! 

Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
11/11/17 04:00:42PM
197 posts

Mel Bay's "Dulcimer Sessions" articles have all disappeared?


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Hopefully this is as far as I need to explain it.    https://web.archive.org/web/20040330202706/http://dulcimersessions.com:80/ for Feb '04 issue was scanned on March 30 '04. If you go up to the top of the Wayback Machine where the little lines of scan are, you can also see blue arrows pointing forward and back in time.  Just click those to work your way through what was saved.

Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
11/11/17 03:42:52PM
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Mel Bay's "Dulcimer Sessions" articles have all disappeared?


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Since these are Mel Bay posts of earlier issues, I let myself hop down to Oct. 4, 2006  https://web.archive.org/web/20061004025712/http://dulcimersessions.com:80/

There I again see her with working links & this time it's actually the October of 2006 issue.

 

Stewart McCormick
@stewart-mccormick
11/11/17 03:40:19PM
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Fretboard Crack!!


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Is there danger of the crack spreading further down the board though?
Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
11/11/17 03:39:42PM
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Mel Bay's "Dulcimer Sessions" articles have all disappeared?


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Hi Dusty,

What I was able to find a lot of the time was an individual article on some Business site that may have been re-posting it, but try this one  https://web.archive.org/web/20160325051242/http://dulcimersessions.com/  which seems to come straight from Mel Bay and shows Lois Hornbostel, complete with working links.  I had earlier just seen the article on "Home-Middle-Outside", so this looks more complete.

Sorry it's clunky, but it's dependent on their scanning.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/11/17 03:30:14PM
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Mel Bay's "Dulcimer Sessions" articles have all disappeared?


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 Lois, I've been playing with the Internet Archive site, but I seem to only find information about when copies were made of the Dulcimer Sessions site. I can't find any actual pages.  I'll keep trying and let you know if I'm successful.

Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
11/11/17 01:23:28PM
197 posts

Mel Bay's "Dulcimer Sessions" articles have all disappeared?


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Go to the "Wayback Machine" at  http://Archive.org  and at the top of the page you will see "enter URL or keywords", put in  http://www.dulcimersessions.com/ and hit ENTER.  Working my way back through the "snapshots" usually does it.  The most recent snapshot was 9/29/17.  At first it didn't look promising, but scroll through the other articles down to "Welcome to the June/July 2010 Issue of Dulcimer Sessions" which has a posting date of Nov. 30, 2016.  Click "Read More" and it looks like you have access to other earlier issues.  I clicked Mountain Dulcimer Tunes and was able to reach that.  If there is more you should be access and can't, I'd go back to those other "snapshots" until you get a thorough one.  I'm not (yet) familiar with it, so those of you who know it will be a better judge.

Something I just discovered is Archive.org has been dumping some sites for lack of viewing, so the more people view it, the more it stays alive.  Had this happen recently with storyteller's site.  Supposedly it wasn't there, yet I noticed in the middle of the page it looked like a link.  Clicked it and got it!  

The "Wayback Machine" is a great service when a long-running site is no longer active.  Use it to keep it going.

Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
11/11/17 07:09:25AM
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Dulcimer Players News 1975-2012 Searchable On-line Archive


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Shucks, I would have let y'all known that 2 years ago.  I've been using it to scarf up Roger Nicholson arrangements and articles from the old days of DPN to use in my fingerstyle workshops.  Thanks Roger's widow & daughter for giving me permission to use his material in classes about his style.

 

Stewart McCormick
@stewart-mccormick
11/10/17 09:43:03PM
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Fretboard Crack!!


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Thanks Matt! I was thinking it might needed clamped, glued, and possibly some thin cleats to hold...
Matt Berg
@matt-berg
11/10/17 08:50:20PM
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Fretboard Crack!!


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It looks like a fracture from drying rather than stress. Place the instrument so the opening Dave's up.mask off the sides of the crack. Then SLOWLY, one or two drops at a time put in thin super glue and let dry. It will take a while, but eventually the crack will fill. Patience.
Stewart McCormick
@stewart-mccormick
11/10/17 06:38:58PM
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Fretboard Crack!!


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Purchased a beautiful dulcimer that needs a little TLC! It has a crack at the nut on the headstock, any suggestions on where to start when it comes in?
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Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
11/10/17 03:03:13PM
197 posts

Mel Bay's "Dulcimer Sessions" articles have all disappeared?


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Speaking as another Lois who has found Lois Hornbostel's arrangements worth seeking out, I'd like to ask if anybody has the address of the old site.  As a librarian I know a few tricks for navigating back into the internet after a website goes down, but will need to know that address.

Selah
@selah
11/09/17 11:52:22PM
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Suggested Strings for MD


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Ken Hulme:

Not too light.... a bit light.  But since you're playing bare finger chording and bare finger strumming, and are just getting started, the slightly reduced string tension will help your fingers.  I play Noter & Drone style, and would probably use a .022, .014 and .012 strings.  With experience you'll discover which strings work best for you.  Strings are cheap, and finding which strings work best for your style of play is part of learning the art of the dulcimer.

That .020 should be a wound string; the others should be plain steel.  The only other thing you need to know to buy or order strings is what kind of ends the existing strings have -- brass ball ends or plain loops.

Thank you, Ken! Great advice on trying different strings... I had one of those "I should have had a V-8!" moments when I read that! Of course! I'll pick several different ones and try them out. Figured out the loop or ball part too! Thank you so much! 

Selah
@selah
11/09/17 11:48:21PM
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Suggested Strings for MD


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Skip:

The strings recommended could be considered light so you could go to .022/023-.013/.014-.011/012. The lighter strings are easier to press down at the expense of a little volume. It doesn't really pertain to experience, but more to how the feel to your fingers and personal preference. 

Thank you for clarifying, Skip! That helps me a lot! I don't care as much about the volume right now as I do comfort while learning.. so thank you! 
Kusani
@kusani
11/09/17 10:25:04PM
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Selah, you are getting good advice and the members here are very knowledgable and have help me tremendously. From a personal perspective, I don't really care for the 'twang' or ''buzzing'/'squeal' you get when using a wound string.  It is a matter of personal preference.  

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
11/09/17 09:50:09PM
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Suggested Strings for MD


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Not too light.... a bit light.  But since you're playing bare finger chording and bare finger strumming, and are just getting started, the slightly reduced string tension will help your fingers.  I play Noter & Drone style, and would probably use a .022, .014 and .012 strings.  With experience you'll discover which strings work best for you.  Strings are cheap, and finding which strings work best for your style of play is part of learning the art of the dulcimer.

That .020 should be a wound string; the others should be plain steel.  The only other thing you need to know to buy or order strings is what kind of ends the existing strings have -- brass ball ends or plain loops.

Skip
@skip
11/09/17 09:47:39PM
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Suggested Strings for MD


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The strings recommended could be considered light so you could go to .022/023-.013/.014-.011/012. The lighter strings are easier to press down at the expense of a little volume. It doesn't really pertain to experience, but more to how the feel to your fingers and personal preference. 

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/09/17 08:57:51PM
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 Thanks for the link, Ken. I was looking for this a while back and couldn't find it.

Selah
@selah
11/09/17 07:37:59PM
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Ken Hulme:

Go to www.strothers.com and enter your VSL -- the distance between nut and bridge.  Then enter the basic tuning that you are using -- DAA or DAd (not DAD or you'll get the wrong string size) one at a time --  and the calculator will do all the work for you.

Brand is irrelevant -- there are a literal handful of companies in the world which make music wire of various gauges, and they sell boxcar loads of the stuff to Martin, D'Addario, D'Arco and other string "manufacturers" who put on the ends (ball or loop), cut the string to various lengths, and put them in packages.  It's all the same wire, regardless of the name on the package.

Personally I buy strings from www.juststrings.com because I can buy sets of strings for under $3 per set instead of the $5 to $8 you pay for brand name strings from a music shop. 

When it comes time to replace the strings, only remove and change one string at a time.  If you remove them all, you stand a chance of moving the location of the bridge, which can really mess up how your dulcimer sounds...

Thank you, Ken! I did go and use the calculator... results were 0.20  / 0.13 / 0.10  for DAd    Skip mentioned below that the results may be too light.  Any thoughts? I appreciate all your help! 

Selah
@selah
11/09/17 07:34:54PM
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Skip:

This will help. The results are a bit light so you can increase the size a couple of sizes. You should be aable to find single strings at a local music shop.


http://www.strothers.com/string_choice.html



Thank you, Skip! That helps a lot...  Can you help me to understand your comment about the strings being light? Are you saying a thicker string would be better as a newbie? or just in general. (totally green here!) thanks!

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
11/09/17 07:33:25PM
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David Bennet posted this on ED the other day.  The archive was on-line somewhere else a few years ago, and disappeared.  Now it's on ISSUU:

https://issuu.com/dulcimerplayersnewsinc/stacks

 


updated by @ken-hulme: 10/27/19 12:02:25PM
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
11/09/17 07:28:30PM
2,157 posts

Suggested Strings for MD


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Go to www.strothers.com and enter your VSL -- the distance between nut and bridge.  Then enter the basic tuning that you are using -- DAA or DAd (not DAD or you'll get the wrong string size) one at a time --  and the calculator will do all the work for you.

Brand is irrelevant -- there are a literal handful of companies in the world which make music wire of various gauges, and they sell boxcar loads of the stuff to Martin, D'Addario, D'Arco and other string "manufacturers" who put on the ends (ball or loop), cut the string to various lengths, and put them in packages.  It's all the same wire, regardless of the name on the package.

Personally I buy strings from www.juststrings.com because I can buy sets of strings for under $3 per set instead of the $5 to $8 you pay for brand name strings from a music shop. 

When it comes time to replace the strings, only remove and change one string at a time.  If you remove them all, you stand a chance of moving the location of the bridge, which can really mess up how your dulcimer sounds...

Skip
@skip
11/09/17 07:23:32PM
389 posts

Suggested Strings for MD


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This will help. The results are a bit light so you can increase the size a couple of sizes. You should be aable to find single strings at a local music shop.

http://www.strothers.com/string_choice.html

Selah
@selah
11/09/17 07:06:05PM
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Suggested Strings for MD


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Hello. I would like to replace the strings on my new-to-me dulcimer... I noticed a few of the strings have a small amount of rust. I am not sure how old these strings actually are so I figured best to start out with new ones. Anyway I would love to hear recommendations for strings... Brand and size would be helpful. My dulcimer has a 26.5" fret board from nut to bridge.  I am learning chords and picking with just my fingers and not using a noter or pick, plus I'm a newbie player, if that matters any also. Thank you in advance for your thoughts on the subject! ~ Selah

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/09/17 03:53:36PM
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Mel Bay's "Dulcimer Sessions" articles have all disappeared?


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Back in July I sent an email to Lois Hornbostel asing about this issue and suggesting that if Mel Bay was no longer willing to host the Dulcimer Sessions material we could find another site to do so.  Just today I received this brief reply: "I'm working on it."

Let's hope she succeeds.

Lexie R Oakley
@lexie-r-oakley
11/06/17 05:57:31PM
229 posts

Your "Dream Dulcimer?


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Well I have 3 of my dream dulcimers, now there is just one more which is a hogfiddle by Bobby Ratcliff.

Then a TMB by John Knopp would be nice.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
11/06/17 01:15:23PM
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A tune that's out of reach


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I've learned over the years how helpful it is to figure out the essence of a tune, what is tune at its most basic form.  The necessity of working on this skill became clear when I was honest with myself about my own limitations as a player.  

Mark said if you'd like to send an mp3 of you on PAR, he'll put back-up to it.  Just let me know.  :)

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/06/17 12:22:01PM
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A tune that's out of reach


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Robin, it's a skill, isn't it, to be able to hear the essence of a melody without all the clutter? And fiddles add a lot of clutter, that's for sure.  I sometimes examine several examples of sheet music for a tune I'm working on.  By looking at what they all have in common, you can sometimes isolate the core of a tune. Sometimes when I hear a fiddle tune I feel like the Austrian Emperor in the film Amadeus, who tells Mozart that his music has "too many notes."

Maybe you can lend me Mark for 15 or 20 minutes.  A guitar accompaniment to my flatpicking version of "Pig Ankle Rag" would help out a lot (and maybe hide some of the imprecision in my picking). If I knew how to do even basic home recordings I would record my own guitar rhythm track, but I have no idea how to do that.  Poor, poor ignorant me.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
11/06/17 11:19:23AM
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A tune that's out of reach


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Dusty, I look forward to hearing your Pig Ankle Rag!  I've heard it played on hammered dulcimer but don't recall having heard it on mountain dulcimer.

I've been thinking on Cattle In the Cane this morning.  First, I need to experiment with tunings to get an appriate key.  Then, since I'm dealing with a real fiddle-y tune (lots of notes), I'll work on the process of subtracting notes because there's no way I'll duplicate what a fiddle is doing.  

Gale A Barr
@gale-a-barr
11/05/17 02:38:34PM
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Your "Dream Dulcimer?


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My dream dulcimer at this point ... a large body , shorter scale VSL (25"), with false bottom - want the volume! happys  Built in pickup and chromatic setup. Wood, I am flexible but ebony fretboard would be nice.  Played a McCafferty dulcimer at Evart with a lot of these features - nice but open to suggestions....

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
11/05/17 02:30:15PM
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A tune that's out of reach


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This is a good topic for conversation, Robin.  Thanks for posting.  I may indeed have multiple responses.

There are lots of tunes that I would love to play but don't really "hear" yet on my dulcimer.  But there are also a couple I've been working on a really long time. I've been practicing "Pig Ankle Rag" for a few years now.  It took a while just to figure out all the notes for both the A and B parts.  Then it took a while to figure out the syncopated rhythms. But I've been playing the tune for a long time, just working on getting it smoother and cleaner.  Someday I hope to post a version that I'm happy with.  But playing the song is also just a great flatpicking workout, so even if I never get the tune ready for prime time, I know my technique is improving as I keep working on it.  My pinky in particular has been strengthened immensely by trying to play the tune.

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