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Your idea of adopting an orphan is someone's unwanted dulcimer.

If your "Mac" is a McSpadden rather than an Apple product.

Hey Phil, those are great.

Your Bumpah stickah says, "I brake for Dulcimer Jams".

Your tattoo of your Dadd is a three-string dulcimer on your forearm.

Great, Phil. Describes me to a T.

sorry had to do it, I was looking for some new jokes and found this.

You might be a dulcimer redneck if . . .

.....you have a tattoo that says, "Born to play DAA".

.....you decorate your dulcimer at Christmas time.

.....your idea of the ideal honeymoon is going to a dulcimer festival.

.....your dulcimer rides in the front of the truck and your wife rides in the back of the truck.

.....your wife owns a camouflage dulcimer case.

.....your garbage man is confused about which dulcimers go and which dulcimers stay.

.....you have no idea how many dulcimers you have.

.....your idea of "girls night out" is going to a Schnaufer/Siefert workshop with your friends.

.....there is a dulcimer hanging in the outhouse.

.....you go selling all your harps and buy dulcimers instead.

......your dog can sing "Old Joe Clark" recognizably.

......you sleep with more than one dulcimer.

......you insist on playing your dulcimer during a eulogy.

......your dulcimer costs more than your truck.

......there are tobacco stains down the sides of your dulcimer.

......you change your strings more often than your t-shirt.

......your truck horn plays the A part of "Mississippi Sawyer."

......you have Mason jars filled with dulcimer picks.

......your neighbor complains about the weeds in your yard growing up around stringless old dulcimers sitting on concrete blocks.

......your capo is made from a recycled Bud Lite can.

......you think safe sex is when the participants play a courting dulcimer.

......your front porch collapses under the weight of so many dulcimer players gathered for the weekly Friday night jam.

......your front porch is held up by old dulcimer cases.

......you skip your mother's funeral because it's the same time as Kentucky Music Week.

......you have a dulcimer rack in the back window of your truck.

......Mail Pouch is painted on the back side of your dulcimer.

......you spent your child support on a new McSpadden.

......you lost your favorite dulcimer in a poker game.

......Junior's first word is "DAdd."

......you don't know the alphabet past G.

......your family portrait is of all the dulcimers you own.

......when Junior counts to ten, 6 1/2 comes before 7.

......you don't make it to work because your dulcimer has a broken string.

......you carry your picks in an empty "Skoal" tin.

......Junior asks you to play with him and you reply, "What key?"

DT;

The new one I received in the mail yesterday is the only snark I've had any experience with. I have a feeling that the 'accuracy' claim is pure advertising. My Korg CA-1 seems just as good. The key feature for me though WAS the new display. I can see it while it's clipped on to the headstock of my dulcimer without using my glasses. I do question the durability of the snark. The Korg is very robust (except for cement floors). I won't use the swivel on it much, I think it would wear quickly. The clamp does seem adequate.

I had trouble on occasion with background noise (tv etc.) registering on the Korg. The snark 'reading' vibes through the head stock may be a real advantage. Still new, I'll have a more objective opinion once I've used it a while.

Sam, I have a Snark SN2 (the red one)and was wondering how the SN8 is any different. Is it just the display or is the tuner actually more accurate?

Got my new Snark SN8 in the mail yesterday. The display bars are bigger and easier to read than on earlier models. I have a Korg CA-1 and I like it but I really do like the 'clip on' feature of the snark. With preliminary testing it does not appear to be anymore accurate than the Korg. It comes with a default setting of 440, I'm not sure if I need to change that, but my dulcimer tunes nicely at that setting and it seems to agree favorably with the Korg.

$12.69 FREE shipping ebay.

That's it Kristi - the Seiko was the one I saw. I see it on Ebay foor $19.95 with free shipping. Heading my way soon! Thanks.

I need to add a disclaimer: I went back an looked at the TU-80C listing on Amazon and although the picture clearly shows a "C4" on the screen, the model number shown on the pictured tuner is TU-80. So I can't be sure that the TU-80C is the same model or has the same features or not. Given the inaccuracy of listings I've seen on Amazon, I wouldn't be too sure that the listed tuner has all the same functions. OTOH, I can't find any reference at the Boss site for the TU-80C, so I don't know what the deal is.

The Boss TU-80, $29.99 at Elderly, shows the octave. Its range is E0 to C8. The TU-80C, available at Amazon for $19.41 also shows the octave, but I couldn't find its range anywhere, although it's described as having an "ultra wide" tuning range.

John - I looked at that one, and several others similar. That's not displaying the octave, 5G is the 5th string G note...

iphone? I barely have a cell phone!! Thanks for the note Christian.

if you have an iphone you can take the apply : cleartune !

it cost less than one dollar (in europe it's 0,79 euro !!!).

it does all of that and is realy good.

Yeah - this is beyond a battery job - one too many drops onto hard floors I think. You can get the Snark from Amazon for under $15, my local store sells them for darn near full price - over $25...

Ken, first, are you sure you don't just need a new battery? My tuners get a little hinky when the battery gets low.

I have a Shark and love it. I have the red SN2, but I think there is a newer model out that is supposed to be even more accurate. The metronome feature is pretty useless, but I like that it can work either through the vibration of the instrument as a clip on or through a microphone if your instrument has no convenient place to clip the device. Search the web and you can find some for less than $15.

Oh yeah. I don't need an octave display, but it would be nice if it were $20 or less. I'm looking at the Snark clip on and the new Korg small clip-on too. Both are under $10 if you shop the 'net.

It's my only guess. Maybe it wasn't what you were thinking of. Yes, $69 is a bit steep. I bet there's a better option out there somewhere for you Ken.

That could have been the beast, but I don't remember that big triskele dial. Price little sucker at $69 Amazon price, isn't it!

Was this it?

http://www.amazon.com/Korg-OT-120-Octave-Chromatic-Orchestral/dp/B000GFCYPS

OK, so my third Korg CA-30 tuner is biting the dust after 4 or 5 years - displaying B# when I know I'm near D...

What I want is a tuner that displays the octave that you're in, not just the note -- D3, C4, A4 etc, not just D, C, A.

I've seen and used one, but can't remember where or who it belonged to (Senior moment?) Any ideas who makes such a critter and how much it costs?

The reason it sounds off to our ears is because the drones are in D, while the melody is played in C ionian as Ken has it. You can tune to the "dorian" mode, but if you finger the ionian scale that's what you get. A point to remember is this: every mode is available in any tuning, by starting your scale on a different fret. But the drones must be tuned correctly to give you the harmony for that key.

If we start our scale on the open string, we get the mixolydian mode. Always. If that string is tuned to C, we have C mixolydian. To harmonize this, we tune the drones to C and G. If we leave that melody string tuned to C, but begin our scale on the 1st fret, we have the aeolian mode of the key of D. We must now tune our drones to D and A to harmonize this new key and mode. Leaving the melody string at C, and starting our scale at the 2nd fret, we now have the locrian mode of E, and we need to tune our drones to E and B. This continues all the way up the fret board, with each mode in a new key. Drone and chord players alike are bound by this. The mode not only gives us the notes we need for that modal melody, it also gives us the notes used by chord players to harmonize that melody. This is also true for drone players, just not as readily visible. But as we learn to hear, and to trust our ears, we recognize when the harmony is right for the key and mode of the melody. Playing alone, this is dissonant, but try adding a chord player to the mix. If you play this song tuned to DAG, what key do you tell your guitarist buddy to play it? In C or D? If he plays it in C, his chords will sound good against the melody, but will clash terribly with the key of D drones. If he plays it in D, his harmony and yours will work, but the melody will clash with both harmonies. The key of the melody string must match the key of the drones.

Paul

OK, Ken, so you're saying that by tuning the melody string one note lower you're tuning into Dorian mode, which I understand. But playing a tune in an Ionian mode against the drones doesn't make it a Dorian sound. As you said in your first post, the Dorian scale begins on the 4th fret. Thus if a tune is to truly sound Dorian with the melody string tuned down it must (usually, there are exceptions to every rule) resolve to the 4th fret, not the third. Our western ears are accustomed to music using certain chord progressions and resolutions and, like folkfan, I find the sounds as you've given the melody weird. But if I raise everything one fret (melody string still tuned down), then it sounds Dorian.

Ivan, Ken previously wrote that "All Through The Night" was in Ionian. The reason I asked about his fretting was to see if he was working with a different variation of the tune than I was. If so, then how it sounded in Dorian would be different than the version I'm playing. I'd tried my version in Dorian, but I'm so used to playing and singing it in Ionian that I couldn't get it to sound right to me.

A lot of people experiment with different tunings on modal music and come up with interesting sounding tunes. Lisa just did a video of "Go Tell Aunt Roadie" or "The Old Grey Goose" in Dorian. It sounded "Medieval" and not like "The Old Grey Goose" at all. Spooky.

Ken mentions doing the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald in Dorian, my version is in Mixolydian, but I don't use a 1-5-8 tuning for it. My tuning is DGG with the G being played at the open string on the melody. This has a different sound than the more traditional GDg tuning for Mix, but it works for me.

Yes, Ivan, I'm well aware that the melody line and the tune is Ionian. In both Ionian and Dorian Modes the drones are tuned to the same notes - D and A. It's the G tuned melody string which gives the effect Folkfan has noticed. I've never said that this tune is anything but Ionian. I am simply saying that - right, wrong, or indifferent - it can be played with a Dorian Modal tuning. Many Ionian tunes can be played from a Dorian modal tuning to give them a unique and different mood.

Ken, the melody line you give above is for a tune in the Ionian mode. No matter what you tune the melody string to, any scale that begins on the third fret without using the 6+ fret is Ionian. Tuning the drone strings to something else may make for some strange harmonies and may even make the song sound Dorian, but the truth is that the melody you give denotes an Ionian tune.

You play the same fretting positions that I do, but our tunings are different. Going from Ionian to Dorian really hits my ear as wrong and leaves my mind in a muddle . My ears are going "what the heck??? that's all.

Here's the melody line that I worked out.

3..2..1..3 - 4..3..2..0 - 1...2...33 (repeat)

sleep my child - and peace attend thee - all through the night

Guardian angels He will send thee - all through the night

6...5.6.7.8..7..6..5

While the drowsy hours are keeping

6..5..4...3-5..4..3..2

Hill and vale to-gether sleeping

3..3..2..1-3..4..3..2..0 - 1...2...33

I my lo-ving watch am keeping - all through the night.

What fingering are you using for say "All Through The Night". Mine in Ionian goes All/1 Through/2 the/2 night/3. Tuning to Dorian (1-5-3) and using that sounds wrong so how are you transposing it?

All Through the Night may not technically be a Dorian Mode tune, but it sounds pretty neat that way....

http://sniff.numachi.com/lookup.cgi?ds1=C&ds2=C&ds3=F&ti=THRUNITE&tt=THRUNITE&tab=d

Ken, What version of "All Through The Night" do you play? The one I do is basically the same as this one. Doesn't strike me as a minor song. I do "Come O'er The Stream Charlie" and "Cindy" in a major mode too.

Ken, that's a great list of tunes that can be played in Dorian mode, especially since they include some modern tunes too.

Just to round things out, here are a couple of my noter Blog posts that walk beginner's through the Dorian mode, with simple tuning diagram and an easy-level tab for Little Sadie:

http://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2009/11/golly-modes-arent-so-scary-after-all.html

http://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2009/04/little-sadie-in-dorian-mode.html

Lisa's playing of Aunt Rhody in Dorian Mode has brought up interest in one of my favorite Modes.

Dorian is a minor Mode with the 3rd and 7th notes of the scale flatted* and the 6th note of the scale sharped* -- when compared to the major Ionian Mode scale (mi-flat, la-sharp, ti-flat). Dorian is identical to the full minor Aeolian Mode except that the 6th note of the scale is sharped in Dorian but flatted in Aeolian.

Dorian is most commonly heard in Celtic music and early American folk songs derived from Irish melodies. Dorian mode sounds a little melancholy because the final note (re) doesn't quite resolve itself. The song may be over, but the singer is still unsettled.

The Dorian scale starts on the 4th fret and runs to the 11th. Traditionally it was tuned in D -- DAG, but a 1-5-7 tuning will give you Dorian mode in whatever key you choose -- CGF for example or GDC. To get to Dorian mode from Ionian, tune the melody string down -- DAA to DAG for example.

Here's a list, in no particular order,of Dorian tunes that I've compiled over the years. Some of these can also be played in other Modes, and there are tunes like Aunt Rhody which can be given a new interpretation by being played in Dorian. Give it a try!

Clinch Mountain Backstep
What Do We Do With A Drunken Sailor
Star of Munster
Star of County Down
Shady Grove
Cluck Old Hen
In the Pines
Black is the Color of My True Loves Hair
Dear Companion
Little Sadie
Pretty Polly...
Over the River, Charlie
Wedding Dress a.k.a. Little Doney Gal
Bachelor's Hall
Nottamun Town
Over the River Charlie
Drowsey Maggie
Cindy, Cindy
Cripple Creek
Sovay
Swallowtail Jig
Hughie The Graeme
My Little Welsh Home
The Mist Covered Mountains of Home
Motherless Child
All The Pretty Little Horses
All Through the Night

Modern:
Scarborough Fair (Simon & Garfunkle)
Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (Gordon Lightfoot)
City of New Orleans (Arlo Guthrie)
Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia (Vicki Lawrence/Bobby Russel)
Summertime (Gershwin)

Hymns:
Wondrous Love
Be Thou My Vision a.k.a Banks of the Bann

Rounds:
Hey Ho Nobody Home

Rock:
Moondance (Van Morrison)
Smoke on the Water (Deep Purple)
Light My Fire (The Doors)
Oye Como Va (Carlos Santana)
Eleanor Rigby (Beatles)
Along Comes Mary (Association)
Knockin' on Heaven's Door (Dylan)
This Diamond Ring (Gary Lewis & The Playboys)

** Note that flatted and sharped are not the same as flat and sharp. If the natural note is F# for example and it is flatted, it becomes an F. If F# is sharped it becomes a G.

new Mandolin Player checking in I have been playing about 3 months and love'n it right after get my cheep little mandolin I had a accident and took most of the tip of my first finger off. Now me being the hard head that I am was not going to put it away till I was healed up. I used my three good fingers to start learning to play. Ya got to love two and three finger chords.

If anyone is inserted I do have some links for free tabs. I will gladly share

Hi Bill,

That clip 'Kitchen Sessions 3' is also on the .mp3 player on my home page near the bottom of the list of tunes I have uploaded to my page.

Robin

I used to play dulcimer regularly with a mandolin playera couple of years ago. The two instrumentsgo together well as long as you think about the arangements you are going to use. To get over the 'volume' issue I played in noter drone style and that gave me the punch to keep up with mandolin. I've just had a look through my sound files to see if I had any recordings and I've found one of me on dulcimer in d,d,d,d tuning and Chris on mandola rather than mandolin - We are just jamming around with an old Welsh tune but you'll get the idea of how we arranged for the two instruments: