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Dan Goad
@dan-goad
07/13/17 08:44:47PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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The search function is at the top of the page beside your name (looking glass icon) and everythingdulocimer.com has a listing of teachers for MO and KS.  By the way, we are not bothered by a lot of questions, we are here to answer any and all.

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
07/13/17 08:18:48PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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Two final questions and I'll quit----for a while.

1. Is ther a search mechanism so I don't bother you guys too much?

2. Is there a mountain dulcimer instructor in the Clay/Platte county area of Kansas City, MO?
Don Grundy
@don-grundy
07/13/17 08:10:22PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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I grab my backpacker to go to the jam. Should I have it retuned to DADD?
Strumelia
@strumelia
07/13/17 07:22:58PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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Don, you might want to bring your dulcimer with the 6.5 fret to any dulcimer club/jam you go to.  Many dulcimer clubs play mostly in chord/melody style rather than noter style, and play from DAd tab that uses the 6.5 fret a lot.  If you bring your backpacker you won't be stuck trying to adapt on the fly to what they are doing.

Skip
@skip
07/13/17 07:05:46PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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I'm not sure that there's more options, just different ones. DAA is probably more useful to noter drone players because of the 'extra' notes below the 'D' on the 3rd fret but there's a lot more written data available for DAd. I imagine everyone starts by playing ND [noter/drone] style at first, it feels natural, and easy to do. Many folks never change to the chord style. It's one of the advantages of taking up this instrument, being able to play how, and what, you want and like.

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
07/13/17 04:47:14PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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1. On my dulcimers tuned DAAA and GDDD I have been playing noter style. The backpacker has a 6 1/2 fret. I don't have much information on chords.

2. I purchased the little GDG tuned dulcimer to begin to learn DAD fingering. DAD tuning seemed to offer more options.

3. I use tabs. On the noter style I seem to play and find the notes....because of the dulcimer...not any innate talent of mine.
Skip
@skip
07/13/17 04:30:30PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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VSL = vibrating string length. You can get the gauge from the builder or use a micrometer or vernier calipers. The gauge is the measured reading, ie., .011 [typical for melody strings]. Your string are probably close to; .018, .012, .009, so you can probably go down to DAd but the strings may be a bit slack.

Yep, or you can play one string at a time [finger pick or flat pick with a pick]. These can be done in any tuning. 

 

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/13/17 04:21:18PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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VSL= vibrating string length.  (the part of the string that vibrates freely, i.e. between the nut and bridge)

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/13/17 04:19:38PM
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Don Grundy: Way too many questions .... Do you play DAD strumming like DAA?

Up til now, have you been playing any chords on your dulicmer by fretting all the strings?  Or have you only been fretting the melody string so far?

The answer to your question depends on two things- the tune and arrangement (or maybe the TAB) of the piece you want to play or follow along with, ..and also the style of playing you aim to play in.  These two things (rather than just the tuning) are more what determine how you'll be strumming/playing with your right hand.

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
07/13/17 03:44:54PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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Way too many questions ....

Do you play DAD strumming like DAA?
Don Grundy
@don-grundy
07/13/17 03:36:29PM
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The VSL (what's VSL?)---string distance is 22.5 inches.
I don't know string gauge.
Skip
@skip
07/13/17 02:58:49PM
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Maybe. What is the VSL [distance between the nut and bridge] and what is the string gauge [thickness]. You can try loosening them to DAd. The strings may be too small [thin] which will allow the to be too loose or floppy.

This site can give you a starting point for your string gauges, they will be a bit on the light size.

http://www.strothers.com/string_choice.html

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
07/13/17 02:43:01PM
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Can I retune my backpack dulcimer from GDG to DAD?
Same strings?
Skip
@skip
07/13/17 02:30:33PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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Changing to these different tunings is pretty easy. Starting with your present tuning of DAA:

1- to tune to DAdd, tighten the melody string(s) to the same note as the 7th fret on the bass string.

2- to tune to the other tunings, loosen the melody strings from DAdd to the note desired.

3- to tune to other tunings, such as CGc, etc, you usually loosen the strings [there are a few exceptions]. Keep in mind that the DAdd tuning tightens the strings to very close to their maximum strength, about 2-3 notes below breaking point. 

For reference; a standard MD, bass D is D3, A is A3, melody D is D4, and it is written as DAd(d). Bass dulcimers are tuned an octave lower, D2, A2, D3.

Strumelia
@strumelia
07/13/17 01:58:08PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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Usually when a dulcimer is 3 or 4 strings, it simply means there is a low Bass string, a medium Middle string, and either 1 or 2 identical Melody strings which are tuned the same and played close together as if they are 1 string.  (there are less commonly "4-string dulcimers" with equidistant strings, often used for fingerpicking, but I'm not referring to that)

So you can have a 3 string or a 4 string dulcimer (with 1 or a pair of melody strings)- that you can tune to different common dulcimer tunings such as DAd or DAA or DAC.  

I suspect the dulcimer club you'll be attending will most often be tuned to DAd, and it does not matter whether your melody string is single or is a pair.

Here's a little video I put together showing tuning back and forth between DAd, DAC, DAA, and DAG... perhaps you'll see that it's not something to fear too much:

https://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2010/02/video-re-tuning-between-four-common.html

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
07/13/17 01:30:51PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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Do DAD players use 3 strings? I hope to go to the Prairie Dulcimer Club next month. So they will probably be tuned DAD?
Do you just readjust your strings to different tuning?
I do apologize for the really most basic questions.
Thank you.
Strumelia
@strumelia
07/13/17 01:16:16PM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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I'm sure you'll get lots of good responses to this question Don!

I can only answer for myself, but here an explanation of why, as a noter/drone style player, I tend to like playing in DAA:

https://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-i-like-daa-tuning.html

But DAd is a great tuning as well!  With the addition of the 6.5 fret DAd becomes quite versatile.  And there is certainly more teaching material for beginners available in DAd, much of it in chord style playing methods.  Most dulcimer 'clubs' and workshop settings currently lean towards DAd tuning and chord/melody playing style.  It's convenient to have everyone starting out the same with the same tuning and books, etc.

But you can really do whatever you like!  pimento

I think DAC is my second favorite tuning after DAA- it's in Aeolian mode which has got the 'lonesome' sound.

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
07/13/17 11:39:58AM
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DAA or DAD as primary tuning ?


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My first dulcimer is DAA. To have near me; I got a backpack dulcimer... the gentleman said let me tune this GDD...okay. I got a feather dulcimer for trips...the gentleman said you'll like this tuned GDG. Soooo, if DAA and DAD are primary, why was the novice steered to other tuning. They both sound terrific....although the feather is a stinker to keep tuned. Explanation?

Linda2
@linda2
07/11/17 11:51:55AM
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That Fleming ad was from a different Fleming, though (who is also listed in the Directory of Contemporary etc.)!

marg
@marg
07/11/17 11:30:22AM
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Linda,
I was hoping to find an image of your dulcimer on line but instead found an old add for a Fleming, very old.
I can't seem to attached from my phone but it was a 2011 add for $500. For a 1959 Fleming. Let us know how it turns out
Linda2
@linda2
07/11/17 10:51:14AM
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How lovely! And good to know that using a capo can make it playable, in the event that mine suffers from the same ailment as yours. I have plenty of dulcimers that need special accommodations to be played :), so perhaps this will be one more of those-- I will ask about the fret buzzing, but I don't think it will be productive since this person doesn't know dulcimers (that's the story, anyway!!).

JenniferC
@jenniferc
07/11/17 10:41:34AM
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Linda, I have a recording here of me playing the fiddleside. The song is "the ash grove". It will give you an idea of the sound. Used a capo, so was able to bypass the buzzing frets, lol.
JenniferC
@jenniferc
07/11/17 10:32:31AM
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Oh, wow! That's the same builder of mine! It's very well made, mine just has been played so much the frets are worn. Maybe ask about fret buzzing.
Linda2
@linda2
07/11/17 10:30:54AM
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HA Fleming is in the 

Directory of Contemporary American Musical Instrument Makers


but that doesn't guarantee playability ! ;)

Linda2
@linda2
07/11/17 10:29:49AM
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The maker is HA Fleming, but I can't hear or play it before buying. It looks great. . .

JenniferC
@jenniferc
07/11/17 10:26:23AM
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Linda, $100 is a fantastic price if it is playable. I bought mine from someone out of state, so wasn't able to try it out first. Will you be able to hear it played/try it before you buy it? Do you know who made it?
Linda2
@linda2
07/11/17 09:59:50AM
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Jennifer, Thank you for your prompt reply! If this is not too presumptuous to ask, would you say 100.00 was a fair price? That's the cost of the one I'm looking at, but can't play.


updated by @linda2: 07/11/17 10:00:08AM
marg
@marg
07/11/17 01:25:36AM
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george,

(ones he personally built were signed by him carving/engraving his name on the back side of the dulcimer,)

Sam Carrell also, I just picked up a Carrell fiddleside dulcimer. He also signs his name on the back

jenniferc, 

I hope you enjoy your fiddleside dulcimer, I have my Sam Carrell '84 fiddleside tuned DAA (only using 4 strings, not the 5th string) and the tone is also so beautiful. 

JenniferC
@jenniferc
07/10/17 04:04:38PM
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Hi Linda,

This particular dulcimer turned out needing the frets redressed, or possibly replaced, which I haven't had done yet. It was made in 1973 of mahogany. It has a beautiful tone with incredible sustain. Eventually, I'll get the frets fixed so it doesn't buzz so badly. It has a 29 inch VSL (vibrating string length), which makes it rather difficult to chord if you have small hands.

Happy dulcimer shopping!
Jennifer
Kusani
@kusani
07/10/17 12:31:19PM
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The Gauges of the Strings


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You may like the lack of 'squeeking' as you slide up and down the fretboard.  I, and my family, do. 

Sean Ruprecht-Belt
@sean-belt
07/10/17 09:45:39AM
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I'm going to have to try an unwound string for the bass. Thanks to all for the unwound posts!

Susie
@susie
07/09/17 08:54:42PM
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Show us your sound holes!


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Custom Folkcraft dolphin soundholes with matching dolphin fretboard inlay. One of Steve Ash's last creations, before his untimely death.
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Linda2
@linda2
07/09/17 05:44:07PM
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How did this dulcimer turn out? I'm thinking of buying one like it. Thanks.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
07/08/17 09:25:16AM
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Happy Anniversary!!


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Happy Anniversary to all whether you have been here all eight years or just joined. This is a great virtual community. Thank you Lisa and all the moderators who help keep this site moving forward.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

marg
@marg
07/08/17 02:30:38AM
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Happy Anniversary!!


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Impressive, good going

Steven Berger
@steven-berger
07/07/17 11:39:58PM
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The Gauges of the Strings


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I use an unwound bass string (18 ga. if I  remember correctly) on my Will Singleton (3-string) dulcimer. I did some experimenting before arriving at what I like. The other 2 strings are 12 ga. for the melody, 14 ga. for the middle.

 

Steven

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