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Hi Robin

The dulcimer I am playing is the one that is in my thumbnail photo -- it is a teardrop shape -- it's really very charming -- I am hoping to sit down with the maker -- but holidays are a busy time and I need to wait until there's a hole in his busy schedule. Meanwhile, I toddle on. The truth is most of the odd sounds are likely due to me. Ellen

Robin Clark said:

Hi Ellen,

Do you have a photo of your dulcimer - I'd like to look at the set-up you are using.

It is interesting that the maker designed the instrument for Gdd tuning and a short scale. There were a lot of old dulcimers that were pitched up to the key of G, particularly those with a slightly shorter scale - and that can give an instrument a really bold voice. You don't need to drop to the key of D if you like the instrument's voice in G. There are ways around that issue. For example you could tune to GDg with the right string gauges on that 24" VSL and still follow all the DAd TAB and lessons (you just pretend you are in DAd and everything works out fine but you are in a higher key). If this is the dulcimer you bought from your local friend who build it you could get him to help you set it up to playperfectly inthe style you want - I'm sure he would help you get absolutely the best tone and playability from the instrument for your prefered playing style.

Hi Ellen,

Do you have a photo of your dulcimer - I'd like to look at the set-up you are using.

It is interesting that the maker designed the instrument for Gdd tuning and a short scale. There were a lot of old dulcimers that were pitched up to the key of G, particularly those with a slightly shorter scale - and that can give an instrument a really bold voice. You don't need to drop to the key of D if you like the instrument's voice in G. There are ways around that issue. For example you could tune to GDg with the right string gauges on that 24" VSL and still follow all the DAd TAB and lessons (you just pretend you are in DAd and everything works out fine but you are in a higher key). If this is the dulcimer you bought from your local friend who build it you could get him to help you set it up to playperfectly inthe style you want - I'm sure he would help you get absolutely the best tone and playability from the instrument for your prefered playing style.

Thanks, Everyone, for helping out. I will try the single melody string. I am really learning to appreciate FOTMD -- I would have a hard time moving forward without the internet support. Ellen

Ellen said "I am a bit confused on one other thing. It sounds like many people switch back and forth between Daaa and Dadd tuning -- but Ken's string calculator suggests two different string sets. So does one just go with the strings most often used in one of the tunings?"

Yes we often change up a note or two and down a note or two using the same strings. As you saw, from a set of DAd strings you can go up to EBe, and perhaps FCf; but you'll probably break a string trying for GDg. Likewise you can go down to CGc easily, and perhaps BFb before the strings get too floppy.

Going from DAd to DAA is even easier because you're just slacking off the melody string from d down to A.

You can also tune to Dorian Mode -- DAG -- and Aeolian Mode DAC without changing strings. Those tunings give you very minor sounding scales for tunes like Shady Grove, Drunken Sailor, Scarborough Faire, City of New Orleans, Be Thou My Vision (all Dorian Modal tunes). Aeolian Mode gives you tunes like Come All Ye Fair and Tender Ladies, Greensleeves, Long Black Veil, and Wayfaring Stranger.

Ellen, I was just about to suggest the same thing as Randy. You will get a cleaner sound if you use one melody string. Try it and see if the dulcimer sounds better to you.

Ellen...slacken one melody string and lay it over to the side.....then play without it and see if the 'echo' is gone.

Yep, it's still Mixolydian... all the tabs still work... you'll just be playing in E instead of D. Strother's calculator is a little "light" for my taste, so if you can ease them up a pitch it may take away some of it. However, it could be that you just have an instrument which has a lot of sustaining power and it seems like an echo. Some people like that in a dulcimer; some don't.

OK. So is that still a Mixolydian tuning? Your comment made me smile because when I heard the audio clip, I thought the same thing. "That doesn't sound so bad" -- but in real space the drone is . . . really long. It's not sounding charming like it should. There's a big buzz from inside the box at some points.

Elaine, I really didn't hear an excessive echo in your sound clip. However, just for curiosity's sake you could try tuning up to EBee and see if that takes away some or all the problem.

OK, We followed the advice here. The dulcimer is now strung thusly : Bass string 22 Middle String 14 Melody Strings both 11 and tuned Dadd. I think there is too much echo. Oddly, when I tried an "Appalachian capo" (pencil held with rubber bands) across the first fret, it all sounded better. The dulcimer came to me tuned Cggg and the original strings were bass =26 and all others = 18.

I am going to upload an audio file and I would most deeply appreciate advice. I am a bit confused on one other thing. It sounds like many people switch back and forth between Daaa and Dadd tuning -- but Ken's string calculator suggests two different string sets. So does one just go with the strings most often used in one of the tunings?

Ah, even more helpful insights! We're about to put the new strings on and will try Ken's suggested 22, 14 and double 11's. Hopefully that will get us to the place that we just have Operator Error to explain why the dog heads out the dog door after the first strum . . .

Ellen, I'll just add one thing here- your 24.5" scale length/VSL is rather shorter than most dulcimers. McSpadden dulcimers for example are 28 or 28.5". What this means simply is that if you and someone else with say a McSpadden were BOTH tuned to DAdd and you both had the very same strings on, then your dulcimer's strings would feel a little 'flabbier' because of your shorter scale length. To correct that, one would typically put slightly thicker strings on a shorter instrument to achieve enough tension to play and sound taut enough in standard tunings. If you tune a regular string and a slightly thicker string to the same note, the thicker string will feel tighter at higher tension. But then, you've also learned that one can tighten a string too much! That's why we use VSL length and string calculators to figure out what gauge of string we need for tuning a string to a certain note.

Wow. That is VERY helpful. We will brave the Black Friday crowds to see if we can come up with 22, 14 and two 11's.

Onward!

OK Ellen. I went to the Strothers String Calculator -- www.strothers.com and plugged in your 24.5" VSL Here are the results.

C = 24 G = 16 G = 16

D = 22 A= 14 A = 14

D = 22 A= 14 d = 11

If you go to the first page of the Beginner's Group here, Lisa has written out tuning directions, and there is a link so you can hear which C, D, and A you should be tuning to...

http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/group/beginnerplayers

You're on the right track with the strings, gauges and tuning Ellen. Hope the new bass string makes everything sound good. Whoever made this pic did a helpful thing.

I just measured from the nut to the bridge and came up with 24.5 inches. I'll need DH's help to get an audio file uploaded - might be a couple of days.

I did wonder if I was in the right octave. Going from memory, I thought "I start with middle C" - so I started heading for middle C on the bass string. Well, that was wrong. I broke the string! Then replaced it with a different product that seems to make the sound worse still. What a muddle. Will try to dodge the shopping crowds tomorrow to get a duplicate of the bass string I broke. Then will begin again, tuning the MELODY strings to D just above middle C. Once we're at that point, we'll try for the audio file upload.

Meanwhile, Turkey Day was filled with dear friends and good food. I am blessed (no matter what my levels of dulcimer ineptitude).

Many thanks for the quick responses -- makes me feel like I'm not alone with this particular knot.

Ellen -- the gauges mean nothing to us unless you give us the VSL, as the two are intimately related. 26/18/18 isn't bad for some VSLs and some tunings.

Ditto what Rob said...

Ellen... those strings sound like they should be "right." What is the vsl of the instrument? Sounds like you might not have the melody string up to the right octave. Remember, It should be an octave above the bass. Are you using an electronic tuner? Most of them show which octave you're tuning to by a number. As for the "echo," if you could post up a sound file, it might be easier to diagnose.

Hope your Thanksgiving is Happy

Rob

Hi All,

My lovely local dulcimer came to me tuned CGG. The strings were pretty heavy wire (Bass string = 26 and the others = 18). I visited a knowledgeable shop in Big City where I was advised not to try to tune to DAD with that set up, so I switched as follows: Bass = 26, Middle = 16, Melody = 12

Now I am getting more than a drone -- I am getting an unhappy echo. And the melody strings seem sort of flabby.

What would you do in this situation? I am happily in Dulcimerschool (learning tons) and I think it does help to be in DAD so that what I am attempting sorta sounds like the instructional video (well, in my dreams we are at the NR -- "nearly recognizable" stage).

Meanwhile, don't forget that this is the night to set your scale back ten pounds. It's an important thing to do every fall.

Happy Thanksgiving all.

Ellen R

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Strumelia said:

Garland, can you post that link here? I'd love to know it too! Thanks.

Garland, thanks so much for the advice. I just checked out weebly and it appears to work about the same as webs.com, which I am using now (see the link in my original post). It is certainly easy. The problem for me, though, is that while these web hosting sites allow the quick setup of a site, the prefabbed templates also limit what you can do and maybe I'm too much of a control freak. I have a vision of what I want a page to look like and get frustrated if I can't get exactly that. I think I am more likely to find another web hosting site that supports Wordpress. A couple are specifically designed for Wordpress and have one-click installs. When things slow down at work (erhaps over the holidays) I'll probably junk the website I just set up a couple of days ago, register my domain name, and set something up from scratch, probably using WordPress.

Thanks for your suggestions. And Byron, I will definitely check out Luna Pages. How is their customer support?

Garland,

I had never heard of Webly. A quick look at their web site and I have to agree with you that for an easy set up and the price it would be hard to beat.

I use Word Press through Luna Pages, installed through cPanel. The good thing about installing through cPanel is the updating through cPanel, a click or two and you're done. Luna Pages also does domain registration with the ability of some large number of subdomains.

Garland, can you post that link here? I'd love to know it too! Thanks.

Hi Dusty,

I teach Internet marketing and design many client sites.

The simplest tool I have found for a beginner to set up web sites is Weebly.com. The one that gives you the most flexibility and power for a free content management system is Wordpress. Wordpress has thousands of plugins to add things like shopping carts, forums, membership area, video galleries and much more.

I highly recommend Wordpress but do NOT use Wordpress.com. Instead just get hosting from a reputable company that gives you cPanel access. You can install Wordpress yourself in a couple of clicks from cPanel.

I will send you the link to the hosting company I use - about $7 per month for unlimited web sites.

Thanks, Lois. I guess it's about time I figured this stuff out, huh? If I do go the Wordpress route, I will certainly choose a host that is designed for WordPress so that I get the extra support. We'll see.

I use WordPress for our church library's catalog and Blogger for 3 blogs. They have limited support, but are free and fairly flexible.

My own website is through HostMySite.com, with great support 24/7. You can get your domain name through them, too. To design it I started out year's ago with a template, but nowadays I use Serif WebPlus which is easier and less expensive than DreamWeaver and way easier than Microsoft's web program (I forget the name, but I tried it and hated it; worked out a return). I'm overdue on upgrading my site with some planned changes I want to do, but know that if I have questions the user forum for it is a good group. Serif's about to come out with a new version, so you might be able to find an older edition which ought to still do all you need. I remember the last time they upgraded, Office Depot had the previous edition drastically reduced.

I know a webdesigner who thinks equally highly of KingWebHost.com.

Wow, Kevin Y., thanks for all those links. That will save me a lot of time. The more I ponder this the more I think I am going to use wordpress and take control of the whole process rather than continue with the pre-fabbed stuff that is quick and easy but not necessarily what I am looking for. Plus, I should probably learn moremore web designfor work, so I can sort of justify whatever time it takes. I may indeed contact you with questions down the line!

Kevin M., thanks for the encouragement. I've found it pretty easy to just plug content into the templates at webs.com but I end up with pages that don't look exactly the way I want them to. I think I'm going to abandon that site you were looking at and start over. Once I do that we could definitely link between our sites. The main purpose of the River City Dulcimers site is for our local group to have a resource to find tablature, information on our meetings, and so forth, but I still find myself fielding questions about luthiers and instructional materials, so even our local group would benefit from links to people like you.

I've also done several web sites. I would recommend that for content control use WordPress it's free and not too difficult to use. I just restarted by travels site at http://trips.kinnamans.net Check it out, that's wordpress. A little bit of menu work and you're up and running.

As for hosts I use Lunar Pages, by pay for 4 years at a time my monthly cost is around $5.00. There's lots of free web applications available with these folks too.

I've done both HTML and WordPress also used a few other tools.

Go to kinnamans.net follow some of the links and you can see some of html and CSS stuff. But, I wouldn't bother trying to learn it unless I was going to a lot of web stuff.

Very nice start Dusty, you have been busy. I will continue to check on your progress. At some point if you want I can put a link to your page on my site. Never know maybe someone from your area might find you that way.

Dusty,

I would recommend the HTML5 CSS3 quick Start Guide: http://www.amazon.com/HTML5-Visual-QuickStart-Guide-Edition/dp/0321... It is a good reference book to help you master all the coding. Another thing you can do is look at some of the free online tutorials about how to do some of the basic features, these can be very helpful.

I will give you a very basic concept to remember and you can work from there. The HTML is the structure or framework of the website. It will contain all the elements that make up your site. <body> tags, <div> tags etc. The body tag is where all of the content of the page will be placed. It can contain multiple <div> tags, <img src= ...>tags, etc. If you do some simple coding already you probably already know this. The CSS is where you beautify the site. The CSS controls the location(somewhat) the colors, the fonts, the navigation menu is formatted here, etc. There are several sites that will supply CSS code for your site, all you have to do is modify some of the code to give it the appearance you desire.

Hereare a couple of HTML sites:

• http://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_intro.asp
• http://webdesignledger.com/tutorials/15-useful-html5-tutorials-and-...
• http://www.html-5-tutorial.com/ This site allows you to select each section that you want to know about. Similar to the W3schools site above.

Here are a couple of CSS sites:

• http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/HTML5-CSS3-Fundamentals-Development... This site has videos that explain both the HTML and CSS3.

If you need any help or explanations let me know. I would be more than happy to help.

Wordpress is a good site to use to develop a website and blog. Has a lot of plugins that allow or enable a lot of features. There are several tutorials and explanations concerning Wordpress too.

• http://www.danconia.com/images/stories/wordpressguidewinter2013.pdf I like this one. It is simple and easy to use.
• http://www.web2learning.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/wordpress-infolink1.pdf

Thanks, Kevin and Tom.

Kevin, the link I provide above is to the beginnings of a website on webs.com. I can see why people would like it. My only objection is that I'm limited to certain templates that can't be altered. And I am unsure if I want to continue with them or switch. It's good to know their customer support is good.

Tom, thanks for the encouragement. I do use pieces of HTML coding in courses that I design, so I'm not afraid of it, but starting from scratch still seems a bit much. It's good to know it isn't that hard. I could probably get a free web desing class where I teach if I really wanted to put that much time into it.

I took a web design course at my local community college back in 2008. The cost was minimal, maybe $300 + a book, and the instruction was excellent. Besides the canned problems in our book, the class had a small business owner as a client. She was starting out as a consultant, intending to act as a one-woman HR department for firms to small to justify a full time person in that role. Interesting concept, I thought. We each built a website for her, and she actually chose one of them for her internet presence. The guy teaching the class drove a rotating collection of pricy sports cars to work, money earned by his web design "sideline." We looked each week at a big-name site that worked and one that really didn't (news, insurance companies, etc.) and so learned about design elements. I much preferred the mix of real classrooms with online assignments to straight online learning.

Anyway, that was prehistory in online terms, so I have no current advice to offer except that with Dreamweaver or similar software and some training, even HTML coding it isn't that hard.

Dusty, I use , webs.com. They are very reasonable and have great customer support. You have full control over designing your site, and for me to be able to build a site was something I never thought I could do. Check them out.

Strumelia, that seems like good advice. The fact is that what I want to do with the website is pretty simple, but that does not mean I'm happy with the generic design elements of these prefabbed websites.

I took a look both at the website you and Brian did and the wordpress site, and it looks like it might be a good plan. At this point I'm leaning to wordpress and one of the web hosts that are designed specifically to integrate with it.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Thanks, Kevin. That is helpful information about the <header> section. The link above is to a webs.com site, which I used only because I was able to give it a try without paying anything. Now that I want to register a domain name and develop a more permanent website, I am not sure webs.com is what I want. Among other things, it does not let you code in HTML on your own. I guess I'm still searching for a web host.

I do indeed do some instructional design, but I am not an instructional designer. I teach online classes, and over the last few years I've found it easier to design my own courses than try to give the "content" to someone else and have them do it. For similar reasons, although I would love to have one of your students design a website for me, I really need to learn to do it myself. In the past we've had people who found a really nifty way to present some content in a course, but then 10 months or a year later we want to make some changes only to find that individual has moved to a different job and no one knows what they did.

Anyway, thanks for your response. I may have some specific questions for you as I get more into this.

Dusty have you really considered Wordpress, or wordpress with using their social network plugin = BuddyPress? Sounds like it might be quite do-able with the simplicity of what you are talking about.

Check out the Wordpress site that Brian and I had a big hand in designing and setting up for our local village's new site:

http://villageofchatham.com/

We got to choose all the colors, fonts, layout, our own banner, etc. This was done even without a BuddyPress plugin. We did pay a very small fee for the calendar, which was better than the free ones.

Dusty,

What you are wanting to do with the banner picture will require a <div> tag or putting the image in the <header> section of the new HTML 5 code. I teach Web Design and Interactive media, if you would like to have a hosting site I would recommend almost anybody except GoDaddy.com. I have had nothing but trouble with them and I don't like their business practices. If you would like a simple site designed let me know and I might be able to talk a student of mine into designing something for youas a project for my class. I am always looking for real world examples for them to be able to put in their portfolios for graduation. On a side note, did I read correctly that you work as an instructional designer? That is what I do for my full time job also.

Talk to you more soon.

Kevin

Thanks, Bobby. You confirm that webs.com is a reasonable site. At least they let you built a website before you decide if you want to upgrade and start paying. The other cheap web hosting sites out there want you to pay upfront before you start building a website.

I hadn't explored the podcast app, but I'll look into it. I did add an audio file to the home page.

I guess what I find frustrating is that you have to choose a backdrop for every page based on the pre-fabricated templates. I would like one template that is just a blank page so that I can customize that backdrop. I did make myself a banner. It is in .jpg formate and I can resize it to any size. But I can't seem to make that banner part of the backdrop of the pages. I am stuck with webs.com templates.

One final question for you: have you ever used customer service at webs.com? I am curious how responsive they are on the phone or through text messaging or whatever.

Hey folks, I seek advice about how to start a website.

I want to find acheap web hosting service that will allow me set up a basic website for my local dulcimer group so I can keep a page of tab for the songs we play, a list of local events, some pictures, and so forth.

I started using one free web service that offers dozens of basic templates for the website, but I really want more flexibility. I don't know HTML code, but I do design online courses, so I have some experience with this stuff. The problem is that I have a vision of what I want for each page and am frustrated stuck in the pre-fab templates the web service offers. I would much prefer something with blank pages that allows me to just move items (pictures, text, audio files, etc) to where I want them and resize them at will.

For example, this is what I have so far: http://rivercitydulcimers.webs.com/ . But I want to be able to put my banner (that image with the Sacramento River and skyline with the words overlaid) on the top with the tabs for the different pages underneath that, as well as customize the rest of the page. This free web service has me locked in to one prefabbed format or another. It seems to me that what I seek is pretty unsophisticated and basic.

Before I pay to register a domain name and to get some kind of medium amount of customer service, I want to make sure I have a web host that will let me do what I want.

Any advice you can offer would be most appreciated.

Great display, Mike! I knew you could come up with something creative!

"Sweet" (No. 56) is just about done now. I'm trying to get her to her owner by Christmas, but I'm running out of time.

It feels weird to work on such a small dulcimer now...