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Guy Babusek
@guy-babusek
08/28/09 11:35:14PM
96 posts



Anything I can do to help!!;-) Deborah "DJ" Hamouris said:
Ahhh, Tuning pegs! I didn't think of that! I've been clipping my little contact tuner on any piece of real estate that would hold it, and all the time the pegs were right there!
Thanks, Guy.
Guy Babusek
@guy-babusek
08/28/09 10:55:04AM
96 posts



I also really like the Korg CA-30 or CA-40 tuners with the pickup clip. You clip the pickup onto one of your tuning pegs... I use this also on my harp. Korg tuners IMO have the very best calibration of the ones I've tried.
Bill Lewis
@bill-lewis
08/25/09 04:44:16AM
48 posts



I have a Korg TM40 Digital Tuner Metronome. Is this a good one? I'll pick up a clip on tuner from Peterson soon. Looks like a neat product.Bill
Rod Westerfield
@rod-westerfield
08/23/09 09:36:42PM
109 posts



I also prefer a Korg CA-30, I then use a signal/flex sf20 guitar tuner pickup with it, this is a suction cup pickup. I never really press it down, just use to isolate when tuning my dulcimer... I have tried several other tuners and have went back to the Korg ...
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/23/09 08:19:54PM
2,157 posts



I though Korg made a clip-on attachment for the CA-30 or CA-40. I prefer my Korg CA-30. This is my second one...
Sally Pena
@sally-pena
08/22/09 12:19:41PM
35 posts

Buzzing Strings


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Thanks Lisa... good idea! When I bought the dulcimer, it had the standard set of McSpadden strings on it. I called my guru "The Dulcimer Doctor" and he sold me a set of strings that he thought were better, with the melody string being .10 ga. and at the time, I wondered if that would suit me, I kinda like heavier melody than the others in my group (I think it's cause I'm bolder!). I'll get back with him soon to see if perhaps that will cure my problem. He's easy to talk to.
Strumelia
@strumelia
08/22/09 12:11:19PM
2,405 posts

Buzzing Strings


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

You might try the next up string gauges- just one size heavier all around- string buzz can come from the strings being a bit to floppy combined with low action. A slightly heavier set of strings will tighten the tension a little bit and keep the strings from moving so much when they vibrate. Its a cheap fix that's worth a try before paying a luthier for stuff.
Sally Pena
@sally-pena
08/22/09 09:10:32AM
35 posts

Buzzing Strings


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Well... I'm fortunate enough to live within spitting distance (actually, about 35 miles) of "The Dulcimer Doctor", Joe Shelton. I'm sure if I take my instrument to him, he'll do something like that too. I have another dulcimer, lovely instrument which was built specifically for me...) and it had some tone issues, which Joe fixed. I do like this McSpadden, though, and would like that small fault to not be there. The mellow tones just call to me. I'll give him a call, see if I can take my dulcimer down to him... he's always wonderful to visit with and his studio is something to behold.I see you live in Myrtle Beach... we have a friend in N. Myrtle and my golf friends and I go to Ocean Isle for occasional outings so, I'm relatively familiar with the northern extremes of your area.Thanks, Carson Carson Turner said:
I had some string buzz on one of mine and my string-things friend adjusted my frets (with a little hammer - I was so worried watching that) and sanded down the bridge some and it fixed it right up. Lowering the action really helped with finger-dancing too.

Then he worked on the sides of the frets - seems they were hanging over the edge a little and was causing some discomfort since I do mostly noter and use my finger to guide along the side of the fretboard. Spent about an hour with a fine file on those.

Oiled my machines, conditioned the fretboard, totally tweaked it up for me. Cost me a dinner is all.

Your mileage may vary though - I trust this guy to know his stuff. You need a tweaks strings-things friend.
Sally Pena
@sally-pena
08/21/09 11:28:43PM
35 posts

Buzzing Strings


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

My McSpadden dulcimer sometimes has a problem with the strings "buzzing". I already posted this to the dulcimer builders but thought maybe someone here may have the same problem. Seems there should be a cure for it.
updated by @sally-pena: 06/08/16 09:24:05PM
John Henry
@john-henry
03/20/10 03:01:47AM
258 posts



Kendra! England COOL??? Now that IS a quote to pass on to my grandkids. We all see things in different ways I suppose, which is good! I once took a very nice lady from the USA (called Maddie) to Castle Coombe, a small village in the Cotswolds, not far from Bath. It was twilight when we arrived, there was soft yellow light shining from house windows,the smell of Ash logs burning on hearths in those houses, no traffic, and no people except us. She thought that it was some sort of theme park I recall !!! As for the car park,you were lucky to find space in one in Bristol! It would be great to see you busking over here, just don't TAKE MY SPACE. No, you're OK, I,m getting a bit old for it now!Best wishes,JohnH Kendra Ward said:
Ha! Ha! John Henry!

No the Bobbies did not leave us a tip!!!! :-(

We always busked in Bath because that was the best place and Bob's family was there. We once heard a great Bluegrass band playing and we went to hear them and talk to them thinking they were American's because they were playing "Grandfather's Clock". When they stopped they had the English accent-we were surprised because they sang with an American accent! Hahaha

Gosh! We love England! It's been too long since we have been there!

Another funny story is that I broke some strings on my HD and I forgot to bring my extra strings with me! We went to a piano store in Bristol to get some extras but they kept breaking too. I had enough from them to keep up, but the funny thing was we couldn't find our car! We were so lost and turned around! We parked in a "car park" but found out there were lot's of them with the same name in Bristol and we were so confused and turned around!!!!! It took us about 4 hours to find the right "car park". Hahahaha

Bob's family came from England (Bath) and we visited them and had a wonderful time! I love it there! We are considering moving to England for a while because of the crap that is going on here in the states with OBAMA. I guess we would just have to rent our farm here???

Anyway, we love England and it's very cool!

Oh yeah! I will have to tell you about the time we were almost arrested in a laundry mat in Oxford for changing strings while we were waiting on our laundry. I was called a "tory!" :-)

Kendra
Kendra Ward
@kendra-ward
03/19/10 09:38:48PM
11 posts



Ha! Ha! John Henry!No the Bobbies did not leave us a tip!!!! :-(We always busked in Bath because that was the best place and Bob's family was there. We once heard a great Bluegrass band playing and we went to hear them and talk to them thinking they were American's because they were playing "Grandfather's Clock". When they stopped they had the English accent-we were surprised because they sang with an American accent! HahahaGosh! We love England! It's been too long since we have been there!Another funny story is that I broke some strings on my HD and I forgot to bring my extra strings with me! We went to a piano store in Bristol to get some extras but they kept breaking too. I had enough from them to keep up, but the funny thing was we couldn't find our car! We were so lost and turned around! We parked in a "car park" but found out there were lot's of them with the same name in Bristol and we were so confused and turned around!!!!! It took us about 4 hours to find the right "car park". HahahahaBob's family came from England (Bath) and we visited them and had a wonderful time! I love it there! We are considering moving to England for a while because of the crap that is going on here in the states with OBAMA. I guess we would just have to rent our farm here???Anyway, we love England and it's very cool!Oh yeah! I will have to tell you about the time we were almost arrested in a laundry mat in Oxford for changing strings while we were waiting on our laundry. I was called a "tory!" :-)Kendra
John Henry
@john-henry
03/19/10 07:39:34PM
258 posts



Kendra! Tis' is no wonder that I am not so well received when I play in Bath these days!!! LOL. (More likely cos' I'm getting old and don't like sitting on a plastic milk crate for long spells) It is the nearest tourest place after my home town, where I tend not to play for fear of 'the Neighbours' passing me by!!! Did our 'bobbies' put money in yer hat?Regards, JohnH Kendra Ward said:
Hi ya'll,

I love to busk! Bob and I have been busking many places.

I wanted to share my best all-time busking story with you. It's pretty funny!

Bob and I were on tour in the British Isles and busking is a big deal there. Me, having red hair and being very Irish, and Bob having family in Bath, found that if we did not open our mouths we were thought of as natives. (all the rich Americans would throw us money haha)

Anyway we were busking in this little town in northern England, doing a pretty good job of collecting money, and we noticed the local "bobbies" (policemen) were watching us closely. While we were playing they seemed to get a little closer and a little closer. We were sure they were going to make us quit or ask for a permit or something, so we were getting a little nervous.

Finally they walked up to us and said, "You are better than the usual lot that play here!" and walked on.

We were really relieved and thought that was one of the funniest things that ever happened to us.

We were mostly playing the "other" dulcimer that you play with hammers, and guitar, but we did have the mountain dulcimer and played it some as well.

Thanks for reading,

Dulcerina aka Kendra
Kendra Ward
@kendra-ward
03/19/10 06:00:00PM
11 posts



Hi ya'll,I love to busk! Bob and I have been busking many places.I wanted to share my best all-time busking story with you. It's pretty funny!Bob and I were on tour in the British Isles and busking is a big deal there. Me, having red hair and being very Irish, and Bob having family in Bath, found that if we did not open our mouths we were thought of as natives. (all the rich Americans would throw us money haha)Anyway we were busking in this little town in northern England, doing a pretty good job of collecting money, and we noticed the local "bobbies" (policemen) were watching us closely. While we were playing they seemed to get a little closer and a little closer. We were sure they were going to make us quit or ask for a permit or something, so we were getting a little nervous.Finally they walked up to us and said, "You are better than the usual lot that play here!" and walked on.We were really relieved and thought that was one of the funniest things that ever happened to us.We were mostly playing the "other" dulcimer that you play with hammers, and guitar, but we did have the mountain dulcimer and played it some as well.Thanks for reading,Dulcerina aka Kendra
Robin Clark
@robin-clark
03/18/10 04:50:28AM
239 posts



Yep, acoustic busking is the way to go - if possible! If you are quieter then folks feel happier coming closer, and tips are more likely. Also, I like to work closer in the same way that Lisa mentioned the intimacy of playing off-stage.I've yet to busk with my MD (although I've played it at gigs and open sessions loads of times). I play Galax style with a noter - so getting the volume from my MD is not a problem. Also, I'm not sure if I would be too inclined to work solo with an MD, as my playing method only tells half the musical story, I need another instrument to complete the sound. Hence the plan to work with Chris this summer to play as a Galax dulcimer and mandola/tenor guitar duo.If I was playing MD solo in chord/melody then maybe I would consider a small battery amp (one of the good quality ones) just to fill the sound out a little.There are regulations in some areas against amplified noise - but acoustic busking is OK.The only time I have used an amp while busking was when we went out as 4 piece one afternoon to the local high street to get some practice time in before an evening gig!!! On that day we used a 15 watt battery amp placed behind us (for balance) just for a vocal mic to lift the voices a bit across 3 resonator guitars and a double bass! The singers would have been straining to get above the instruments in the open air - not good when you have a gig later that day. Carson Turner said:
some people would say that playing a dulcimer through an amp is nothing short of blasphemous.
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
03/18/10 12:58:21AM
1,850 posts



Strumelia said:
Dusty Turtle said:
The hit of the day, though, was the limberjack. He danced around while I sang "There ain't no bugs on me" and the kids couldn't get enough. Whenever I tried to stop they began clapping their hands in unison and chanting "more, more, more." Finally the teacher had to bribe them with blueberry muffins to allow me to escape and get on with my day.

I had the same experience playing my limberjacks at farmers' markets and such.
Yes, there are some small children who seem jaded and uninterested, but then you get the other ones who make it all worth while. Last summer, a group of four children, ranging from age 4 to 7 or so, stopped dead in their tracks and came running over to watch my limberjack dance. You wouldn't believe how HUGE their eyes got, like dinner plates!, and then they all started laughing and pointing in delight, and the more he danced the more they laughed. Then they started trying to dance like the limberjack, and they laughed even MORE, finally collapsing right there on the ground in a heap of child glee and belly laughs. It made me so happy ! I think that was the very best audience i ever had . :)
I love playing my limberjacks. I have five of them, all different. I may wind up with more eventually, I love them that much. Plus, they are way cheaper than banjos! ;D Here are photos of three of them.
Wow, Strumelia, I must admit that I covet your limberjacks. In only have one made of walnut and without any decoration. I, too, adore that little pig of yours. I maintain a fantasy that I'll build some of my own, but that elusive free time I keep expecting has yet to materialize.It is amazing that in this media-saturated age when plastic novelties abound in all sorts of bright colors with lights and computer-generated noise, a simple, centuries-old, clog-dancing doll made of wood can create so much joy.Keep smiling,D.T.
Strumelia
@strumelia
03/17/10 10:03:31PM
2,405 posts



Dusty Turtle said:
The hit of the day, though, was the limberjack. He danced around while I sang "There ain't no bugs on me" and the kids couldn't get enough. Whenever I tried to stop they began clapping their hands in unison and chanting "more, more, more." Finally the teacher had to bribe them with blueberry muffins to allow me to escape and get on with my day.
I had the same experience playing my limberjacks at farmers' markets and such.Yes, there are some small children who seem jaded and uninterested, but then you get the other ones who make it all worth while. Last summer, a group of four children, ranging from age 4 to 7 or so, stopped dead in their tracks and came running over to watch my limberjack dance. You wouldn't believe how HUGE their eyes got, like dinner plates!, and then they all started laughing and pointing in delight, and the more he danced the more they laughed. Then they started trying to dance like the limberjack, and they laughed even MORE, finally collapsing right there on the ground in a heap of child glee and belly laughs. It made me so happy ! I think that was the very best audience i ever had . :)I love playing my limberjacks. I have five of them, all different. I may wind up with more eventually, I love them that much. Plus, they are way cheaper than banjos! ;D Here are photos of three of them.
Tom McDonald
@tom-mcdonald
03/17/10 09:05:29PM
26 posts



Carson Turner said:
some people would say that playing a dulcimer through an amp is nothing short of blasphemous.
Yeah, I get that a lot! I've had a few in my club tell me in so many words that it is somehow improper to play anything outside of the traditional tabbed-out-on-paper playlist, too. They're coming around, though.
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
03/17/10 08:35:23PM
1,850 posts



Connecting musically with children is indeed magical, and it sounds like that was the most successful part of Vicki's adventure.Just yesterday I brought my guitar, uke, autoharp, dulcimer, mandolin, pennywhistle and limberjack to my daughter's pre-school class. I did a few story/songs such as the Pete Seeger classics "Abiyoyo" and "The Frog" but also played some of the usual song suspects such as Tom Paxton's "The Marvelous Toy." I thought they would love the chorus ("It went zip when it moved and pop when it stopped . . .") but they were actually clapping excitedly in time with the music while I was still in the first lines of the first verse. I played a kid's song I translated from French that celebrates the diversity of animal life and had the kids acting like the animal mentioned in each verse. When I played the verse about the "snakes who slither in the grass" the kids all began wiggling on their bellies and converged in a big pile in the middle of the floor. The teachers all got a hearty laugh at that sight.The kids were enthralled with the fact that you could play a melody with a single finger on the dulcimer and of course they loved strumming the autoharp (which I have tuned diatonically, by the way, in order to double up on strings and get a fuller sound).The hit of the day, though, was the limberjack. He danced around while I sang "There ain't no bugs on me" and the kids couldn't get enough. Whenever I tried to stop they began clapping their hands in unison and chanting "more, more, more." Finally the teacher had to bribe them with blueberry muffins to allow me to escape and get on with my day.I didn't put out a donation bucket and didn't make any money. But the joy on the kids' faces (especially my daughter's) is worth more than any hourly wage anywhere.Thanks for indulging me; I had to share that fun with some folks I know would appreciate it.Cheers,D.T.
Tom McDonald
@tom-mcdonald
03/17/10 08:22:59PM
26 posts



Vicki, that sounds like fun. I've been following this thread, and I listened to a busker on trumpet near Dupont Circle in DC yesterday and got inspired. I was all set to take the plunge today and play the indoor outlet mall near the RDU airport. The place is only about 25% occupied, and could use a bit of livening up anyway. I figured that nobody knew me here, and the worst they could do was to throw me out. Sadly, they fight what would otherwise be tomb-like quiet with overbearing and inescapable overhead muzak. Most airport terminals are impossible to play in for the same reason. I'll try someplace else soon. I did play in a public area of the terminal in Boston yesterday, but quietly and in a fairly out of the way place. The probable reaction of my chief pilot if I were to salt my pilot hat with some singles and put it out for tips would not be good.This may already have been discussed: what about small battery powered amp and a mic or pickup? Seems to me you need at least a little more volume than you can get with a dulcimer.
Strumelia
@strumelia
03/17/10 07:56:22PM
2,405 posts



Carson Turner said:
The real fun busking though (my opinion)... - it's watching those little kids dance to a tune or hearing a story from someone about their now gone relative that "used to play that sort of music..."
Yes, my husband and i play fiddle/dulcimer/banjo for charity events sometimes and often for the local farmer's market. For those events we volunteer. My favorite part is when little children and toddlers start dancing around us in pure happiness- I love it! That's one reason I love to play right in with the people rather than on a stage area...i love when the children come up and touch my instrument gently in wonder, like it was magical. Awesome .
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
03/17/10 07:48:34PM
2,157 posts



Congrats Vicki! My favorite place to "perform" is at any well populated public park. I don't often put out a figurative tin cup, but that's just me. When I have, though, I use a cigar box, seeded with a couple bucks and change. It's a good size, not too big or too small.
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
03/17/10 05:38:14PM
1,850 posts



Vicki, you definitely deserve congratulations for gathering the moxie to play in public. I second the notion that you should open up your case for tips. Put a dollar or two and some coins in there as a little nudge in the right direction.And then you might ingratiate yourself with those exercising by putting out orange wedges and playing Springsteen: "'Cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run!"OK, maybe that's not the best song, but on a rails to trails area you might play a bunch of old railroad songs.As folkfan has said, you found a nice place to play where you won't interrupt traffic or anything, but people exercising don't usually carry around spare change, so if you really want to earn a little beer money you might find another spot.Keep up the good work.D.T.
folkfan
@folkfan
03/17/10 03:22:47PM
357 posts



Vicki, it sounds as if you picked a good site for playing in public. Congratulations. Vicki Miles said:
Hi Andy...Yes, it was a rails to trail. It is the section that goes thru town. There is a playground, several picnic areas and the depot, in the area.

Andy Huffman said:
Bravo Vicki! Bravo! What a great story. Was this on the rails to trail?
Robin Clark
@robin-clark
03/16/10 07:40:46PM
239 posts



Well done Vicki !!!!!I believe that doing what you did was a very adventurous act - and it will help you build the skills to play in public. And the experience will make you a better musician and performer without you even realising just how much you are learning.Good on you!!!Robin Vicki Miles said:
I busked this afternoon. Well, is it busking if you don't get any tips?! ~8-)

I had 20 minutes between my music lesson and picking up my grandson. I went to the riverwalk, sat on a bench and played. It was a very difficult thing for me to do. I've never played solo, in public. I took a deep breath and started playing. The world did not end, I did not throw up and no one noticed when I made a mistake.

Most people just walked by, some smiled and nodded. One little girl asked what I was playing...she thought is was some kind of violin. I told her about my dulcimer. In those short 20 minutes, I grew more as a musician than I have in years of playing in private or a group.

As for blocking traffic, I didn't. (People were exercising so they didn't stop, but they may next time. If they do, there is plenty of room to get off the trail). If they didn't like it, all they had to do was move a few steps away to be out of earshot.

My dulcimer was much quieter than the thumping music in the parking lot, the noisy motorcycles or crying kids. I'm going back...soon...but I'm taking a tin cup. ~8-)
Rod Westerfield
@rod-westerfield
03/16/10 06:59:52PM
109 posts



way to go Vicky.. just lat your case by where you are playing.. easier to hit.... :) :)
John Henry
@john-henry
03/16/10 06:11:32PM
258 posts



Congrats Vickie! You have broken the ice; may I say that a tin cup is a difficult target to aim for whilst on the move, LOL, give em a chance!!!JohnH Vicki Miles said:
I busked this afternoon. Well, is it busking if you don't get any tips?! ~8-)

I had 20 minutes between my music lesson and picking up my grandson. I went to the riverwalk, sat on a bench and played. It was a very difficult thing for me to do. I've never played solo, in public. I took a deep breath and started playing. The world did not end, I did not throw up and no one noticed when I made a mistake.

Most people just walked by, some smiled and nodded. One little girl asked what I was playing...she thought is was some kind of violin. I told her about my dulcimer. In those short 20 minutes, I grew more as a musician than I have in years of playing in private or a group.

As for blocking traffic, I didn't. (People were exercising so they didn't stop, but they may next time. If they do, there is plenty of room to get off the trail). If they didn't like it, all they had to do was move a few steps away to be out of earshot.

My dulcimer was much quieter than the thumping music in the parking lot, the noisy motorcycles or crying kids. I'm going back...soon...but I'm taking a tin cup. ~8-)
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
03/16/10 06:00:37PM
1,554 posts



Cool, Vicki!I plan to try playing outside in a public place-- a college green, I think-- just to get used to playing where people can see and hear me.Let us know how all goes the next time. Forget a tin cup-- go with a bucket! :)
John Henry
@john-henry
03/16/10 04:28:43PM
258 posts



To busk! Or not to busk! That is a question. Another is to ask why busk? I live in a city which gets its fair share of tourists, and I live about 12 miles from a city that probably gets a few more!!! (Bath) In both places it is possible to busk, and indeed it is to a certain degree encouraged, with the obvious proviso's that no nuisance occurs, no risk to health and safety is presented etc. People listen or not, is their right, and they may or may not put money in your hat, case ,whatever. Why busk? I have a friend who wished to accompany me to a festival in France; over the course of a few weekends in Bath he made the money he wanted, long hours tho', and cold, and sometimes just a bit dangerous! For me the initial push came because I was faced with doing a performance (I hate that term), I was to play in front of an audience and while I had played in pub sessions, or for friends and family etc, I had never been on my own with a dulcimer (hammered I should add) committed to making music for others to listen to. It was a salutary experience, I had not known just how fast it was to use up material that I had learnt or how often someone would ask if you could play ?......? (nearly always 'Duelling Banjo's on the grounds that I was playing some sort of 'hillbilly instrument') I learnt a lot from my first time,and gained in confidence as a result, and would never assume that everyone welcomed me or my music. I am reasonably sure that some places/situations gain from having buskers perform for whatever reason. My interest in dulcimers certainly grew from seeing a hammered dulcimer player named Jim Couza playing in front of Bath Abbey. He did it for money, I did it for the experience, tho' a little bit of extra cash did help the ego! I am not sure if our mountain dulcimer (minus amplification) is the right instrument for the hustle and bustle of a busy town centre, and if it is amplified, then like other instruments, it may be seen as becoming intrusive. It is always wise to check at least two things: Is a licence required fron the appropriate authority, and is there some sort of pecking order in existence among regular buskers at the place that you propose to play .my regards, JohnHPS On reading thro' the above I see some confusion may exist about the term "hammered"; it does not refer to me being under 'the influence', despite what Strumelia may have remarked upon in the past in relation to Rod's mountain dew, and my job of guardian of same at our past anniversity parties!!! Carson Turner said:
I've never been to Chicago - I can only imagine it's a pretty packed place the likes of NYC, London, Paris, Munich, etc... Those have a long and storied history of street performance (busking is simply playing in a public place for tips - so most "street performers" whether hired and licensed or begging for alms are buskers) that has at times even extended into some pretty important religious and political change movements.

I don't see that a performer takes up any more space than does a hot-dog or balloon vendor, nor does he impede traffic any more. The street performer certainly takes up less space than does a 'sidewalk sale'. He's no louder than the city's regular traffic and much less loud than a police or ambulance siren. He can't compete with a 500watt car-stereo rolling boom-box or even with a stock Harley Davidson. He can't take up all that much sidewalk that a normal person can't walk around him with minimal effort and if he's gathered a crowd then that would imply that someone wants to hear/see the performance, a passerby might want to notice that and take a minute to see why.

He doesn't inconvenience the foot traffic anymore than does a group of tourists standing in place staring at the rooftops. No more than does that couple saying goodbye with a long kiss - right in the middle of the doorway. No more than do old-friends meeting on the street and deciding to stop there in the center of the walk to reminisce on old times. Far less than do those poorly behaved children zipping in and out of every crevice and corner they can find while mom obliviously chats on her cell...

He's unlike any other business person you encounter - his product is try before you buy and he won't be all that offended if you enjoy the entertainment and don't offer to pay. He doesn't bombard you with billboards and bus-placards extolling the virtue of his particular art over all others, creating a visual cacophony of material greed, he just puts it out there for you - free. Take it, or leave it.

He can't, while performing, give the "can you spare a dime" pinch that the typical vagrant beggar offers and at least is offering some service - a moment of entertainment - in return for his lunch.

Given the pace of our society these days, he serves the needed function of slowing things down just a little. Of course, some people don't have enough time to slow down and listen to a musician or watch a mime or hear a story... they're in a hurry to reach the end of the race. They have places to be, things to do, people to meet, ... how sad for them - they don't even notice the birds in front of Saint Paul's.

I'm in no hurry to hasten the end of my life though - I'll take a minute to see if the busker can entertain or inform me. If not, I move on. If he can, I toss him some coin. He has an important social function that a free society can ill afford to restrain.

Just my thoughts though. Some people disagree.
folkfan
@folkfan
03/16/10 12:55:05PM
357 posts



Andy Huffman said:
it becomes a matter of free speach. The current ruling is you cannot prohibit free speach in any public area where it has a tradition of assembly.
It's funny people take art and culture to be a nuisance. Expression is shunned for quiet in a city overrun with the sounds of traffic, people, and technology.
Andy, I'm all for freedom of expression, but I retain the right to use an off switch on my TV if the music or "Expression" becomes something I don't want to listen too. It's difficult to turn off a street performance.The force sometimes needed to get around some of them reminds me of fast flowing water over stones. You get turbulence and rapids in the normal flow of pedestrian traffic. And when you only have a few minutes to get to your train stop, a slowing or stoppage of the flow of foot traffic is a pain. If a performer is in a park and out of the way, that's a different story.And as for taking art and culture as being a nuisance, well, a small jazz band playing in the canyon created by State Street in Chicago doesn't add to the cultural level of the city. It simply adds to the decibel level "in a city overrun with the sounds of traffic, people, and technology." It isn't the icing on the cake, it's the straw that breaks the camel's back.Some people call graffiti art, and freedom of expression, to me it's vandalism.
folkfan
@folkfan
03/15/10 10:36:51PM
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Vicki Miles said:
I'm not shoveling anything! I'm wondering though...I've been to Chicago and experienced the street performers. I think there is a difference between them and busking. Aren't the street performers licensed, usually found in the same location and trying to make a living? I think of buskers as transient entertainment...does that make sense, is there a difference?

Usually the street performers are licensed, but they are still out there with their instrument cases open for tips. They aren't paid performers. There are festivals around the city that also have stage venues and street performers. However the unlicensed busker still gets around. At least with a licensing system one can hope for some measure of performance level, though you couldn't prove it by me.My objection to most of them is simply that I hate listening to them. Music to me is very personal, I like what I like, and I don't listen to what I don't like. And I certainly object to having certain sounds bombard my ears including, rock, jazz, blues. And many of the street musicians are doing that sort of music. Many are now amped and the decibel level is deafening. I actually had to walk through a crowd of listeners to a small jazz band (loud on drums) and past the booming sound equipment. I clapped my hands over my ears to at least dampen the sound a bit and charged through. There was no way around the group and crowd unless I wanted to step out into on coming traffic. Not a good idea.I really hate street performers. I'll pay to go to a concert, but with street performers that you can hear a couple of blocks away, forget it. The only town that has had street performers and buskers that I enjoyed was Edinburgh. There were bagpipers in the park. And they weren't crowding the sidewalks. I'll take a bagpiper over a jazz or blues band any day. heheheheheee
Robin Clark
@robin-clark
03/15/10 09:26:48PM
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My friend Chris and I are working up old fiddle and dance tunes (Appalachian and Celtic) for a MD and tenor guitar/mandola busking and coffee house duet once the weather starts to warm up and the tourists arrive.RobinBTW - My registered company is Busker Limited !
Dusty Turtle
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03/15/10 07:50:48PM
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Dearest Folkfan and Vicki,First, there is no doubt that any kind of gathering on the streets can become a nuisance, but street performers are certainly no more guilty of causing problems in that regard than is anyone else. Lousy drivers, for example, are much more of a hazard, I would argue.I lived in Chicago one summer in the 1980s and discovered a guy playing sax on the street as I walked with thousands of others to Grant Park for the Blues Festival (it might have been the R&B festival, since I attended both that year). He was playing a jazzy version of "Rubber Ducky" from Sesame Street and was just twisting and turning that tune in every direction possible. He played all by himself but really had some pep in his step and a bunch of us were dancing around him. He was far better than any of the big-name, high-priced acts we saw on the stages at the festival.If anyone wants to hear a celebration of that kind of performance, check out Joni Mitchell's "Real Good For Free": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PljZrArrb3k In my mind, you have to put up with the occasional inconvenience if you want the chance to discover those diamonds in the rough. The problem folkfan describes is genuine, but it is not a problem with busking; it is a problem with a lack of consideration of others that permeates our culture.To answer Vicki's question, in some cities and some neighborhoods, you do indeed need a license to perform. In Faneuil Hall in Boston, for example, there are elaborate auditions for a limited number of licenses to perform in the summer. The competition is high as is the quality of the entertainment. A friend of mine did a juggling act there (Peter Panic if any of you have seen him or are on your way to Boston) and he made enough money in the summer to support himself all winter long.Maybe there is a difference between that and busking, but he still passed around a hat for his pay (actually, he rode a unicycle while someone chosen from the audience sat on his shoulders holding a hat for tips).I think anytime you rely on tips for your performance for your income, it is pretty informal.Now, to work out Rubber Ducky on the dulcimer . . .D.T.
folkfan
@folkfan
03/15/10 06:19:25PM
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I'm afraid I'm going to be in trouble here, (Heck, I KNOW, I'm getting in to deep doo doo with this), but Buskers for the most part really annoy me.Part of the problem is that in the canyons of Chicago, the sound of a sax, or horn player, or drummer can just bounce off the concrete walls, sidewalks, and road and create a cacophony of noise. Some Buskers, individuals and groups, just don't follow the rules of etiquette in that they take up a large portion of sidewalk room or place themselves in the middle of the sidewalk and disrupt the flow of pedestrians. So trying to get around them as quickly as possible is impossible. Especially if they have managed to gather any sort of a crowd. There was on idiot who chose to perform just outside entrance to one of the metra train stations and the log jam he created was a real nuisance as it was at the top of a long flight of stairs down.To me there is nothing more annoying than trying not to trip over an open instrument case carelessly place in front of the player/players. The feeling that I have to throw money into it because I've had to listen to music that I didn't want to hear in the first place is just plain irritating.
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
03/15/10 03:54:38PM
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I don't busk, per se - I don't put out a money collector. It's illegal here, I think. You don't see anyone doing it. But I do often play downtown in the park that runs between the two main streets. I get lots of "what is that?" as well as "Is that a dulcimer?" Always a good lead-in to explain about the instrument.Setting in the park playing is the perfect opportunity to people watch as well as get in some playing time somewhere else than home. Here near Tampa I can play outdoors pretty much year around.There is a fair amount of dulcimer activity here. During winter we have a lot of Snowbirds from New England and southern Canada, and there several active snowbird dulcimer groups connected to various condos, trailer camps and the like. But once they find out I don't play that other style, and don't play from tab that they can copy, then I'm not so welcome to their closed little groups with their focused-on-one-tuning teachers. There are only a handful of resident dulcimer players and we get together occasionally during the off season.
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
03/15/10 03:28:12PM
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The dulcimer has been called a lot of different/cool names that could be worked into a fun song! :)
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
03/15/10 03:21:16PM
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Yes, that line would work great, especially with a rim shot or other quick musical exclamation point right at the end. Strumelia said:
Dusty Turtle said:
As others have suggested, making a joke about not playing a request is probably the best route when you really don't know the material requested.

Dusty,
Having to do with that, one of my favorite things to say between tunes when we are playing out in public is:
"We've had a request from the audience.....but we've decided to keep playing anyway." Always gets a good laugh! :D
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
03/15/10 03:18:01PM
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Andy,There's an old kids' song [meaning an old song for kids, not a song for old kids ;)]by Tom Paxton about the "Marvelous Toy," the chorus of which isIt went zip! when it movedAnd bop! when it stoppedAnd whirr! when it stood still.I never knew just what it wasAnd I guess I never will.It might be cool to make up a song about the mystery instrument and sing that whever people ask what you are playing.D.T. Andy Huffman said:
I am dying to know what people in New England would request from someone busking with a dulcimer. Probably along the lines of "an explanation of what the heck that thing is???"
Strumelia
@strumelia
03/15/10 02:26:55PM
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Dusty Turtle said:
As others have suggested, making a joke about not playing a request is probably the best route when you really don't know the material requested.
Dusty,Having to do with that, one of my favorite things to say between tunes when we are playing out in public is:"We've had a request from the audience.....but we've decided to keep playing anyway." Always gets a good laugh! :D
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
03/15/10 02:15:04PM
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I just found this thread and realize you've all probably moved on, but I do have a story to share.I used to play mandolin in an informal trio (guitar, bass, mandolin) of friends. We had a very limited repertoire. We used to play the Dylan song "You Ain't Going Nowhere" until the guitarist wrote an original tune the rhythm of which sounded just like the Dylan tune, so we stopped playing the Dylan tune. Once we were asked to entertain at a small barbeque in the Berkeley hills and in about a half-hour had run through all the songs we had worked on. But just as we were about to tell everyone we were done, someone requested "You Ain't Going Nowhere." With smiles on our faces we broke into it right away, milked it for all we could, each taking a few solos, singing all the lyrics two or three times through, and then finally lifting our instruments in the air at the end as we said goodnight before any more requests could come our way.It was a great climax to our short set and until now we were the only ones who knew that the song requested was the only song not part of our set that we could possibly have played!When you play in public, in fact, you don't need a large repertoire because most folks only listen while they are waiting for their bus, as they shop for vegetables at the market, or whatever. They are not expecting to sit down and be entertained for 90 minutes straight. I would think the idea of learning some of the songs that are likely to be requested would be all that you need to play with confidence in public and not be afraid of a request.Then again, on one of his live albums, Loudon Wainwright III is asked to play a song and responds, "Perhaps I'll play that another time. But my therapist has encouraged me to be more assertive with women. So I'm sorry, but no." As others have suggested, making a joke about not playing a request is probably the best route when you really don't know the material requested. It is another example of Strumelia's axiom about smiling at your public rather than screwing your face into weird contortions as you stare at the fretboard.I've never seen a dulcimer player busking, but if I do, I'll empty my wallet.Cheers,D.T.
B. Ross Ashley
@b-ross-ashley
11/24/09 02:18:32PM
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Not all of us Northerners are Yanks, thankee. ::grin::And there's a reason the most sought-after busking locations in TO are inside the subway stations! Carson Turner said:
Of course, for all you "northerners" (aka "Yankees"); it's gonna get cold out there - you should move down here to the beach.
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