Thanks for quick reply….the VSL is 27 ¾. I was planning on DAD tuning but if this particular instrument was not designed for DAD I would try something else. You answered my question on keeping it original and will forgo adding 6 ½ fret. Dusted and hanging in humidified room with my guitars.
What is the VSL (vibrating string length)? Measure in inches from the nut to the bridge. Also tell us what tuning you are hoping to tune to.
You should know that your dulcimer by Martin is one that is coveted by many. Don't make changes to it! It is pretty valuable especially since it seems it is in pristine new condition with original packaging. Just wipe off the dust. Let us know about the VSL and your preferred tuning.
I recently picked up a Sunhearth AD3 made by Walter Martin in 1976. It’s his number 266. The date, number and his signature are visible through the sound hole. Condition is near new and still in original cardboard box with sales sheets and the setup paperwork. The “mimeograph” setup paper states it had 3 strings @ .009 and one .12. This is my first dulcimer, but these gauges don’t seem to be what is standard. Any insight on this instrument and advice would be appreciated.
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Aspen is 'waaay too soft for a dulcimer; nearly as soft as Balsa! I made a blanket chest from aspen once -- worst wood choice I ever made!
Ok, I'll consider myself duly advised!
Aspen is 'waaay too soft for a dulcimer; nearly as soft as Balsa! I made a blanket chest from aspen once -- worst wood choice I ever made!
Notyhing wrong with cottonwood as a dulcimer wood. Poplar (particularly Yellow Poplar) in particular was very popular among the traditional dulcemore builders. Light in weight, works easily, can have great grain structure or poor grain can be painted/stained over...
That's good to know. I come from a drumming background and there's a lot of lore there about desirable woods and their sonic properties, with maple seeming to reign supreme. But I tend to form attachments to certain kinds of trees and find meaning in using their wood. Out here cottonwoods grow in river bottoms and I have a lot of fond memories of rambling around river bottoms, so the cottonwood actually means a lot to me. Not that I wouldn't love to get - or make - one out of cherry or walnut.
For that matter, I wonder about the suitability of aspen...
Now I'm off to look up more forum posts about woods.
Notyhing wrong with cottonwood as a dulcimer wood. Poplar (particularly Yellow Poplar) in particular was very popular among the traditional dulcemore builders. Light in weight, works easily, can have great grain structure or poor grain can be painted/stained over...
I know nothing about Mr. Burton yet I love the wood! Osage Orange wood?
Apparently it's cottonwood, with natural worm holes. Seems pretty unusual (for all that the wood's so cheap). I'm curious to hear how it sounds. I've made several walking sticks out of worm-tunneled branches, including a mountain mahogany shillelagh, but that's another story.
If the instrument seems very muted to you, you could -- with some careful and judicious work with a fine toothed jewelers saw -- open up those holes.
Now that you've really got DAd -- Dulcimer Acquisition disease -- when you're ready, we can talk you through making your own dulcimer similar to that teardrop -- from less than $100 worth of materials and simple hand tools. I've attached a picture of a simple conversion one of my students made using the fretboard from the cardboard dulcimer he started with...
That sounds like fun. Something to keep as a goal to prepare for.
Some more photos, before and after: https://fotmd.com/jim-yates/gallery/rs-williams-banjo/all
Great news! I'm looking forward to the new podcasts.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
I know nothing about Mr. Burton yet I love the wood! Osage Orange wood?
Well done and best wishes for '22.
Jim, sounds like your friend Teilhard is skilled at restoring an old banjo. I love to see that! A happy new life for a lovely old banjer... and joy for you to play! 
That's lovely to hear Patricia! 
If the instrument seems very muted to you, you could -- with some careful and judicious work with a fine toothed jewelers saw -- open up those holes.
Now that you've really got DAd -- Dulcimer Acquisition disease -- when you're ready, we can talk you through making your own dulcimer similar to that teardrop -- from less than $100 worth of materials and simple hand tools. I've attached a picture of a simple conversion one of my students made using the fretboard from the cardboard dulcimer he started with...
Just this weekend my friend Teilhard Frost, a wonderful gourd banjo builder (and player) paid us a visit toreturn my R.S. Williams banjo which had been in terrible, unplayable condition since I bought it for $20 at a yard sale in 2018(?). I could see that it had promise and when Teilhard saw it, he said that he could bring it back to playable condition. Well he sure did that. It was made prior to 1879 (when the company was renamed R.S. Williams & Son) and has been restored with rosewood pegs and nylon strings. I have been playing it constantly since I got it back.
One photo before Teilhard got hold of it and one after he worked his magic.
Good to know, thanks. I won an auction for this on ebay so when it gets here I'll be able to inspect and photograph it up close. Not surprised about the hole size: they did look quite small to me.
I recognize the risks in buying this, but at least at last I'll have an actual wooden dulcimer at a fraction of what I expected to have to spend.
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Jumping ?? Jumping ?? We don't jump--we levitate --why do you think we get paid the big bucks for concerts ?? We spend hours meditating & considerable yoga hours for that :) We are training to ascend :)
My bass string was out of tune--so I walked away from the mic to tune. Then back again to play. Cameron is my favorite fiddler & he knew my string was out--so he just held the tune and the stage. Happy Holidays :)
That jumping was fun, Mary.
I'm curious as to why you left the stage for a while- ?
Here's a little banjo from Saturday night with Boston fiddler, Cameron Freer. This is our levitation verson of dance tunes Black Eyed Susie/Forked Deer. :)
Nope. Never heard of him. Looks like a simple kit build. Needs more sound hole area to get the best sound from it -- there are complex formulas to calculate the optimum area, but it's roughly 4-5 square inches for most dulcimers...
Close up photos of construction details and scroll head would be nice.
Anybody heard of him? Located in Robbins, NC, built this instrument:
That's good news SoR. Glad to hear that some of this discussion was helpful to you. Keep on strumming.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
When I put the thin string on the bass it wouldn't hold a pitch lower than the G below middle C but if I tuned it to the D above middle C the other strings would pull their pins and/or break. When I put the thicker string on I just tuned it up to the same pitch - like, how did it not occur to me to just try the lower D again? Well, now that's done with.
The DAC I'm playing in now is the D and A below middle C and then middle C itself. That tuning I got from my old book and the old Jean Ritchie record, if I'm remembering right. I just strummed out "God Rest Ye Merry, Gentleman," "Noel Nouvelet" and "Douce Dame Jolie."
Onward and upward!
In any case, it appears you and I don't really disagree on the appropriate string gauges; we are just not sure how studentofrhythm has his dulcimer set up.
I agree that we don't really disagree. I was trying to find the appropriate strings for the first tuning he mentioned which was GDD. As I understand the pattern for identifying the notes by letters in the system we use, middle C is designated by a lower case "c". The octave below that is capital letters. The next octave lower is a capital letter followed by an apostrophe. The octave with middle c is lower case and the next octave above is lower case followed by an apostrophe.In American Standard Pitch Notation notes are designated by letter and octave; middle c being C4.
The original poster wants to tune his dulcimer "up to minor tuning." If that is D minor those notes would be D, F, A. I don't know whether one would tune those strings in the same octave giving a open minor when the dulcimer is strummed. I guess I need a more information and a better knowledge of music theory.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
Well, heck it if I didn't get the thing tuned right finally! I've got me a DAD tuned dulcimer at last, and it's now a cinch to get it down to DAC and play in minor! I see I was making very silly n00b mistakes, and after paying more careful attention to octaves and gauges I've got it sorted out. Thanks all for your discussion and your patience!
Ken, maybe I am misunderstanding something. @studentofrhythm appears to be tuning to a G ionian, which would either put him in the baritone range or in the ginger range. Ken H concluded that studentofrhythm was tuning to a "high Gdd," meaning the G below middle C and the D above middle C. I could obviously be wrong. It has happened before. 
In any case, it appears you and I don't really disagree on the appropriate string gauges; we are just not sure how studentofrhythm has his dulcimer set up.
Dusty, if the string VSL is 24 inches and the tuning is the D below middle C, according the the Strothers string calculator the string should be a 0.022. If you were tuning the "d" an octave higher the recommended string is a 0.011 but I think you could use a 0.012. I based my calculation on G and D as I thought that was what the original poster was going for in his question.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
@ken-longfield, I think you mean .012 and not .022 for the D strings. Is that correct?
And GDD would be a 0.016 for G and 0.022 for the D strings. String companies market dulcimer string sets mostly for two tunings, DAA and DAd and a VSL of about 26 to 28 inches. Dulcimer players need to learn that if they choose to explore other tunings and VSLs they need to find the right size strings. That's what is good about FOTMD. People can ask questions and folks here help them find the correct information. I trust that has been helpful to you StudentofRhythm.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song.
To be clear; The notes for DAd are D3A3d4, much higher the strings break.
Sounds like you're trying to tune UP to the "high" Gdd. Optimum string for the G, based on 24" VSL would be a 16 or 18 plain, not wound as they can be hard to find. For the high ds you'll want an 11 or 12 gauge.
VSL is 24" and the string gauges are 20 wound for the bass, 12 for the others. I bought a pack of GHS dulcimer strings and broke the bass string immediately, then one of the 12 gauge. That was when I gave up on the fourth string. I tuned it as low as I could while still sounding clear and then compared notes with the piano and found it to be GDD. Recently I bought another 20 wound and put it on the bass again and it sounds much better, even on that low G. I paid more attention to how I put the string on to avoid stressing it like I did the last one. I've been thinking about all the discussions here about how to put strings on and I'll probably try starting over with the melody string one more time.
As Dusty says, the string gauges you are using for the tuning you want may be the issue.
First the VSL -- What is the distance betwen the nut and bridge (Dusty calls it the "scale length). This is one of two pieces of information you need to have in order to get the right strings for a given tuning.
Second, the Tuning... which GDD are you trying to tune to? There are two common tunings which can be called GDD -- one higher in pitch than the conventional DAA, and one lower in pitch.
Is your bass string G three notes higher in pitch than the bass string D of a 'regular' dulcimer tuned DAA?
Are the Ds in your GDD tuning the same pitch as the bass string D of a 'regular' dulcimer tuned DAA; or are they an octave higher like the d in DAd tuning?
In either case you probably cannot achieve a GDD tuning using "regular" dulcimer strings without either breaking strings or having them be uselessly floppy...
