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marg
@marg
09/22/20 09:25:29PM
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Modern Mountain Dulcimer


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Beautiful dulcimer and I like that the fretboard is cut away. I have one like that and it allows me to put a Seymour Duncan pickup under the strings; so pedals, processors or amp can read the strings - not the vibration.

skip:  Interesting (so the string breaks over the slot further back.) I did not know this

JimGoodin
@jimgoodin
09/22/20 07:28:20PM
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Modern Mountain Dulcimer


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Skip thanks - I think I should leave it alone now as it's much improved but thank you re filing the string slot.  I had also and hand not mentioned but I put a new bridge on it last night as well as new tuner keys.  The bridge by the way is fixed though I know the floating allows some advantages in terms of adjusting on the fly.  I'm planning to get another at some point from a builder whose work I like but this Etsy one which has certainly taught me some things already re improving it's playability, for a modest investment is offering a good start with decent woods.  Here's a pic.

Jim


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Skip
@skip
09/22/20 07:08:01PM
388 posts

Modern Mountain Dulcimer


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If you have a floating bridge it can be re-positioned, which can help some. Another trick is to make the base string VSL a bit longer by modding its slot in the bridge. That's done by refiling i so the string breaks over the slot further back. It may be too late to try this though since you've already lowered the bridge [many times, refilling the slot lowers the string]. 

JimGoodin
@jimgoodin
09/22/20 06:55:56PM
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Modern Mountain Dulcimer


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Skip thanks.  I didn't note and just checked dime and nick again (this time right order as I think I had it backwards earlier) but they are much better in spect.  Just barely touching where they weren't and yes got it, re little can do huge and it did albeit positive thusfar.  Thanks again folks.

JimGoodin
@jimgoodin
09/22/20 06:52:12PM
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Modern Mountain Dulcimer


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Happy to report that I did 20 sand strokes with 320 (didn't have 400) to nut and saddle and it's notably better.  @+/-10 cents where it had been more like 20!  I will say I'm learning a lot re my ability to work on an instrument.  I have background of few years in other instruments and have danced with bit of work on other instruments but have done the most with this dulcimer which I bought the wrong way, took a chance on etsy but I am bringing it around so cool.  Thanks Ken for the lead!

Skip
@skip
09/22/20 06:48:19PM
388 posts

Modern Mountain Dulcimer


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Dime next to the 1st fret, nickel on the 7th fret. If its high on the 7th, then mod the bridge, then check both places. Be careful about modding the nut, a little bit can have drastic results and barely affects the 7th fret. I suggest doing the 7th first, leaving the space a bit high then doing the nut, if needed. If you have a zero fret, all change is done at the bridge since the nut there is basically a locator/separator.

JimGoodin
@jimgoodin
09/22/20 05:43:21PM
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Modern Mountain Dulcimer


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I'm new to the community and latching on to this as I appreciate finding the thread for current needs I'm having.  In my case my dulcimer is a bit high at the first fret meaning it's clearing the nickel instead of just touching and sharpening by the third fret.  I don't have an exact measurement but it feels high.  I realize other factors can be affecting intonation but don't at this time feel I have any warping.  I did go over the frets with a rocker finding inconsistencies and did some leveling which helped with some buzzs on bass string and couple spots on the high pair.  This dulcimer though new to me was used or been in storage.  It was made in 2003 according to it's inner label and appears in good shape but the intonation is few cents sharp in spots which I've been trying to improve so I'm hoping taking Ken's advice and sanding some on the nut in my case and possibly the saddle might avail.  Thoughts?

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/17/20 11:46:49PM
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Hurricane Sally


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Glad to know Jessica is OK.  It's hard to keep up with the disasters these days.

IRENE
@irene
09/17/20 09:53:39PM
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Hurricane Sally


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wow, I've been following the fires in the West that I didn't know there was a hurricane SALLY mind you.   I thought this was going to be a new tune on the dulcimer.  I'm grateful that Jessica made it through.   aloha, irene

Salt Springs
@salt-springs
09/17/20 07:36:33PM
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Hurricane Sally


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I got a quick note from Jessica Comeau who endured the storm without having serious damage to her home.

While Pensacola took a major hit, our friend seems to have weathered the brunt of it.  Any others of our community who were affected let us know if we can provide some emotional support and encouragement.

Nate
@nate
09/17/20 06:08:17AM
440 posts

Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Don Grundy:

Does anyone else hear a tune in their head and have to pick it out on the melody and middle string?



Pick it out and if you mess up you might just accidentally make a song :)
Susie
@susie
09/17/20 05:49:27AM
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Anyone bidding"


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I have so much respect for Dolly and how much she gives back, in so many ways. I hope it brings a lot of $ for the cause. I'll be passing on it though. Kinda puts into perspective the McSpadden Ginger that I have on order. giggle2

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/16/20 08:37:07PM
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Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


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No rush, Don.  Just enjoy yourself, but feel free to reach out if any questions pop up.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/16/20 08:33:01PM
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If I Had a Hammer (dulcimer) but no left-hand


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Thanks for the tip, @pmundy.  I saw the title to that book but haven't picked it up just yet.  The woman who gave me the hammered dulcimer included well over a dozen (mostly older) instructional books. I've been skimming through those and if I can't find exactly what I'm looking for I'll consider Ken's book.  I sure enjoy the music he makes with his son, who is perhaps my favorite clawhammer banjo player.

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
09/16/20 08:27:27PM
188 posts

Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


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I won’t have an opportunity to do much this evening.
Tomorrow we’re mowing and then have a 2nd grade granddaughter while her sisters play on the high school softball team. Five grandkids within 5 minutes of the house is a mixed blessing some days.
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
09/16/20 07:58:11PM
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Anyone bidding"


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I'm not one for fancy things yet it might be fun to give this one a strum or two.  Hope it raises plenty of money for the cause!  

pmundy
@pmundy
09/16/20 07:35:47PM
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If I Had a Hammer (dulcimer) but no left-hand


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Dusty,

Have you looked at Ken Kolodner's HD Theory & Mapping book? It is a great reference for learning the hammered dulcimer.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/16/20 07:35:00PM
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Anyone bidding"


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Sure, Dusty, I'll send you 3 bucks as soon as I find a few herds of deer.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/16/20 07:18:59PM
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Anyone bidding"


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If anyone is bidding on that dulcimer, I have a question: "Can you lend me a few bucks?"

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/16/20 07:17:27PM
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Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


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Contact me by personal message, Don, if you have more questions on this stuff. 

By the way, in explaining things to you, I've made a further change in the tab.  

In measure 2, instead of getting the F# on the 2nd fret of the melody string, I will now indicate it as the 5th fret of the middle string. So I would use my ring finger on the 2 at the end of the 1st measure and then slide that finger up to 4 for the second measure, leaving my middle finger ready for the 5 on the middle string.   That way the move up happens a little earlier, but it involves the same finger on the same string just sliding up two frets and then the hand is in perfect position for the next two measures.

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
09/16/20 05:50:29PM
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Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


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Thank you dusty, I’ll have to print this and read it more than once.
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/16/20 05:49:37PM
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Anyone bidding"


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I'm curious to know if anyone here is planning to bid on this dulcimer. 

http://www.cmt.com/news/1824963/take-this-swarovski-crystal-studded-four-string-dulcimer-off-dolly-partons-hands/

It should be a nice addition to anyone's dulcimer collection.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."


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Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/16/20 04:18:05PM
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Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


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Don, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "guideline."  A note on the melody string can be found 3 frets higher on the middle string, and a note on the middle string can be found 4 frets higher on the bass string.

If you're looking for guidelines about when you would want to move to another string rather than stay on the string you are on, I think you have to examine the specific notes you are playing and your hand position.  In my playing I try to follow a few golden rules: 1) minimize left-hand movement; 2) moving from one chord position to another, try to keep at least one finger on the same string; and 3) keep your left hand in a chord position as much as possible.

If you are not playing chords, some of that won't mean much to you, but you should still understand the principles.  Let me address the question of when to shift to another string by looking at the first two lines of a tune I just tabbed out last night for my dulcimer club meeting this weekend.

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The melody (pick-up note aside) is entirely played on the melody string in the first two measures, but in the 3rd measure I get the melody note of G on the 6th fret of the middle string. Why?  That same note is found on the third fret of the melody string.  But look at the subsequent melody notes; they are found on frets 5 and 7.  So rather than have to jump from 3 to 5 and then to 7, I just move my hand up, catching the 6th fret of the middle string with my middle finger, and then leaving that finger down, my ring finger falls onto the 5th fret of the melody string.  Those fingers stay down as I reach with my index finger (or thumb) to 7, then lift it up and hit the 5, where my ring finger can still be found.  And then, moving to the 4th measure, that position with my middle finger on the middle string and my ring finger on the melody string just slides down one fret from 0-6-5 to 0-5-4.

So by using the middle string for that one note, I am able to get almost two entire measures with my hand in the same position.

Notice that I said "almost two entire measures."  The last note of the first line is an F#, and I indicate it on the melody string at the 2nd fret even though it is the same note as the 5th fret of the middle string, where my finger already is.  Truth be told, I probably play that note on the middle string there most of the time when I play this tune. However, the 5th measure obliges us to move all the way down to the 3rd fret for the melody string and then everything that follows is down by the nut.  So to facilitate that move, I chose to tab this tune out using the 2nd fret of the melody string rather than the 5th fret of the middle string.

Obviously, there is no hard science to this stuff. You just try to figure out what will work best for you, meaning what will facilitate you finding the melody in the easiest way possible, with the least amount of movement.

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
09/16/20 02:54:56PM
188 posts

Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

GOT IT!  Is there a guideline to moving from string to string?

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/16/20 02:40:39PM
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Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Don, @Strumelia's correct. A lot of people cannot pick out simple melodies on the dulcimer. If you can do that you are ahead of the curve.  Just keep working at it.

Don Grundy: I seldom progress past my single string play.

If you want to challenge yourself, try to pick out melodies going across the strings as well as up and down a single string.  If you are tuned DAd, just add 3 to the fret on the melody string and you'll find that same note on the middle string.  

Here's a challenge for you:  Play "Three Blind Mice."  You will begin at the second fret of the melody string.  But when you get to "They all ran after the farmer's wife" you will have to move up to 7.  However, instead of continuing on down the melody string for the end of that phrase, try to move to the middle string.  You will finish the song on the 3rd fret of the middle string instead of the open melody string.  See how it works out.

Obviously, drone players will always stay on the melody string. But those of us who include chords in our playing try to minimize our hand movement.  Learning to find portions of the melody on the other strings will help you achieve that goal.


updated by @dusty: 09/16/20 03:02:01PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
09/16/20 02:06:30PM
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Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


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Being able to pick out a tune on your instrument is an ability that many folks wish they could develop.  Just saying!   :)

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
09/16/20 01:56:07PM
188 posts

Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


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I seldom progress past my single string play.
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/16/20 12:50:00PM
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Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


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No need to be embarrassed.  That's how you learn an instrument.  I still have trouble playing from tab but generally get a tune in my head and then find it on the fretboard.  Sometimes if I have trouble with a spot or two, I'll turn to tablature to see how someone else plays the tune, but then I just go back to the instrument.

Ballad Gal
@ballad-gal
09/16/20 10:05:05AM
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Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I pick it out on the melody string whether I hear the tune in my head or hear it on YouTube or elsewhere. It's how I learn to play any tune. Which means I generally don't consult a tab or sheet music. As I pick out a tune I usually do have to write it down bit by bit.

Don Grundy
@don-grundy
09/16/20 08:46:22AM
188 posts

Embarrassed: just picking out tunes


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Does anyone else hear a tune in their head and have to pick it out on the melody and middle string?

traildad
@traildad
09/15/20 10:34:41AM
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I ordered my own dulcimer


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@silverstrings: Yes, the deluxe with the package deal. I played the model 56 at his shop and it compared well to the McSpadden dulcimers I played in LA.
Silverstrings
@silverstrings
09/15/20 10:25:44AM
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I ordered my own dulcimer


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Very cool. I have 2 McSpaddens and a Black Mountain 58 deluxe. I still play my Black Mountain a lot. Did you go with the 81 deluxe and a gig bag? Those extra features are great and worth it. Also, the gig bag has a huge pocket that is actually large enough for books!!! My Black Mountain is my go to for my travels. 

traildad
@traildad
09/15/20 10:22:25AM
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@strumelia: that's what I'm counting on. All the McSpadden dulcimers had a nice tone but I think maybe I hear too much pick/string noise. I'm hoping it will have a bigger voice with good tone. I'm a little surprised at how good the kit dulcimer I'm playing sounds. It has a larger body also.
Strumelia
@strumelia
09/15/20 09:43:02AM
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Ken, that's very funny and also clever.. giggle2   (bff= best friend forever)

But.. wouldn't they have to be F#'s to equal the same number of steps up from the tonic as in DAA? (correct me if i'm wrong).

Traildad, that walnut and spruce with the slightly larger size will sound very mellow and lovely, I suspect.  :D 

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/15/20 07:04:58AM
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I ordered my own dulcimer


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Congrats on a new BFF!   Actually, you could tune it B-F-F and play DAA two steps lower!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/14/20 09:32:46PM
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I ordered my own dulcimer


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Congrats, @traildad!  I'm sure you two will make beautiful music together! jive

Dave Ismay
@dave-ismay
09/14/20 03:43:27PM
25 posts

Installing built-in pick up for 2004 dulcimer?


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A couple of years ago someone on here suggested The Cherub violin mic as a cheap and reasonably efficient way to hook up a dulcimer. I have found with a decent sound system they do work and are quickly swapped from one instrument to another and most importantly you get to test for the best position for next to no expenditure

Ilenef
@ilenef
09/14/20 10:24:22AM
4 posts

Does anyone know what kind of pick this is?


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Thank you, Wally! At least I have learned what the shape is called: #355. It could have very well been a home made pick. Ilene

Ilenef
@ilenef
09/14/20 10:21:51AM
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Does anyone know what kind of pick this is?


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Thank you, John and Susie! I am going to try the D'Andrea that Ken mentioned.  Not sure about thickness, though. Thank you for your responses. Much appreciated!

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