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Gstringer
@gstringer
06/01/24 11:06:22AM
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Folk Instruments?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Since I come from simple folk, it was explained to me quite simply:  a folk instrument wasn’t a commercial instrument, and widely available. It was made by folks who wanted music in their lives. Similar (albeit more complicated a build) to spoons, washboards and jugs. Now, most instruments (ie, kalimba, djembe, cajon, dulcimer, etc) are widely used in commercial recordings, by professional musicians.  Folk is a state of mind.

Susie
@susie
06/01/24 10:42:53AM
515 posts

Folk Instruments?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Reminds me of of a joke.

A violinist changes their strings, while a fiddler changes their strangs!

Nate
@nate
05/31/24 06:49:11PM
440 posts

Folk Instruments?


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What makes it a folk instrument? Being played by folks, of course! Not fancy musicianers or college educated theoreticians, or masters of stage.... just folks. Lol, but seriously I think that the interpersonal nature of folk tradition and instruction really defines a folk instrument, like Dusty said.

I also think that, more importantly, folk music and folk instrument tend to be words that people self describe with, denoting a modesty and sincerity to either the style of music or to the instrument. The word "folk" tells me that I can expect music that is intimate and genuine and not under some allusion of being excessively formal or pretentious.


updated by @nate: 05/31/24 06:51:14PM
Wally Venable
@wally-venable
05/31/24 06:12:02PM
130 posts

Folk Instruments?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

I'll go along with three "keys" to being a folk instrument:

(1) Not usually encountered in a standardized form, with variations limited to size and materials.

(2) Not formally taught in conservatories (or equivalent) over a multi-year period.

(3) Not typically used to play from written scores in standard notation.

Using an instrument to play "folk music" doesn't make it a "folk instrument." Mozart played the country music of his day rather well, as I recall, and I think he jammed as well.

Things get complicated, though. I think the Russian Balalaika is still probably classified as a folk instrument, although it fails all three of my tests.

Dwain Wilder
@dwain-wilder
05/31/24 05:01:05PM
73 posts

Folk Instruments?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

I think Dusty hits it square in the middle.

But an exploration of the edges brings me to feel "folk" vs "some other kind" is notional, communal, and somewhat conventional —and more than a bit bizarre and ultimately uninteresting. I remember the '90s, for instance when arguments raged about the 'rightness' of putting a 6-1/2 fret on a dulcimer. The addition robbed the dulcimer of its folk status for some people, and cast it into some undefined state in which they seemed to imagine the proponents wanted to play chords and render Broadway hits music, which outraged them.

And that did come to pass! And some dulcimers are now commissioned as chromatic, not diatonic instruments at all. Blue Grass, jazz, renditions of classical music are arranged for dulcimers, either diatonic, altered diatonic or chromatice. DF#A is a well-known tuning scheme for playing Broadway musicals.

Another such edge is the status of the banjo, the ukulele, the African kalimba (thumb piano).

There are serious stylists and accomplished masters of all these instruments, yet only a few can walk onto a stage for an evening's solo concert and come away with much more cash than enough to pay their hotel and travel expenses.

That seems to imply another 'edge' to the consideration of whether an instrument is 'folk' or is somehow otherwise meant for 'serious' music —in other words, music people are willing to pay $50-$100 for a ticket.

In the world of rock, pop music, currently, people are paying truly fabulous amounts for leading singers and bands, while other very worthwhile, serious musicians keep squeaking by financially for the love of the music. Yet no consideration is in evidence about whether they are 'folk performers' or not. Is what Taylor Swift sings 'folk?' Nobody cares about the answer.

In sum, I think the love of the music is a much more interesting way to consider an instrument, those who play it, and the breadth of its repertoire, than whether it is a folk instrument. In the end, isn't any instrument available to and actively used by ordinary people a folk instrument?

BTW, a good friend of mine is a master of the hammer dulcimer.  She made her first mountain dulcimer in my basement—while playing the French horn in high school. And she may still have a French horn. I'll have to ask her sometime.


updated by @dwain-wilder: 05/31/24 05:09:35PM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
05/31/24 03:31:55PM
1,844 posts

Folk Instruments?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Interesting question. I think at the core of the answer is the manner of transmission.  Classical music is taught in schools and conservatories.  Folk music is transmitted informally and orally, within families and communities.  A guitar can be a folk instrument but might also be a classical instrument. Same with violin/fiddle.  French horn?  Definitely not a folk instrument.  But there is no corpus of dulcimer music taught at the New England Conservatory of music.  The music is passed on in dulcimer jams and--until tab became ubiquitous--entirely by listening and observing.

Homer Ross
@homer-ross
05/31/24 01:19:16PM
19 posts

Folk Instruments?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Both dulcimers are considered a folk instrument. Why is that? What makes an instrument a folk instrument? Is it the builders of the instrument (professional luthiers vs everyday builders), the people who play the instrument (lack of formal concerts) or something else? How does a folk instrument...say a guitar change status and become a instrument of higher regard in some circles? Looking forward to everyone's thoughts. 

varedschoolhouse
@varedschoolhouse
05/24/24 10:12:45AM
2 posts

Rest in Peace, Larkin Bryant


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

How lucky you were if you had the chance to meet/hear Larkin in person!  After hearing Larkin's CD "A Lark in the Twilight", I was able to find and buy a copy of it.  It's absolutely wonderful, and I play it all the time -my favorites are two original songs that Larkin wrote herself. I also have a copy of Larkin's Dulcimer book.  I was wondering if she ever put out any other CD's, books, or tabulature.  Anyone know??  

Dwain Wilder
@dwain-wilder
05/22/24 02:21:41PM
73 posts

buzzy strings


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

MJ:

Hi Dwain; here are my answers . Thanks for your help

Are all the strings buzzing? YES
Are the buzzes on a single fret or a group (or groups) of frets? Mostly from fret 2 and up.(the lowest string is not as bad)
What is the scale length (measure from the nut or the center of the zero fret to the 7th fret to get the nominal scale length).

12 1/4 inches 

What are the string gauges? .012 .012  .020 ( ( think)
What is each one tuned to? D A D 
Can you slip a nickel coin between the last fret and the bass string? YES
Is there any buzzing on the open (not pushed down at any fret) strings? Yes but its slight and intermittent.

 

Oops! I forgot to say multiply the measurement by two! So your scale length is 24-1/2"

From your description it seems likely the problem is at the nut/zero fret. I forgot to ask which you have. If it is a zero fret, you might try slipping a thin palette knife under it and gently pry it up a bit. Not a long-term solution, but if it decreases the buzzes that's a clue the you need a zero fret with a slightly higher crown.

If your dulcimer has a nut, there are two options:

1. Examine the top of the nut to see whether the strings are in slots deeper than the bass string. The bass string should not be much lower than its diameter (so its top surface in its slot should be about level with the top of the nut, perhaps a frog's hair lower). Over time with much playing and re-tuning, strings can wear the nut down, digging deeper into their slots and begin buzzing. Since this is a donated dulcimer, there is no telling how well it was treated before it got to you.

2. If the strings look fine in their nut slots, there remains the possibility that the nut never was high enough. Ya never know what some else is able to tolerate (or play around, despite) in the way of odd buzzes. In this case, pry the nut loose and slip a piece of business card stock, sized to fit the base of the nut, in as a shim. Retune and check for buzzes. You may need two such shims.

But more than two shims would suggest something even more fundamental and dire is going on —such as the whole tailblock becoming loose from its glued foundations in the sides and back, and cocking up when you tune the instrument. Let us then pray...


updated by @dwain-wilder: 05/22/24 02:23:27PM
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
05/22/24 10:29:13AM
1,542 posts

FOTMD one year anniversary on July 29th, 2010 !


OFF TOPIC discussions

Whoa, fifteen!?!  This time next year, FOTMD will be looking forward to driving.  cake

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
05/21/24 10:27:53PM
1,310 posts

FOTMD one year anniversary on July 29th, 2010 !


OFF TOPIC discussions

Wow! Fifteen years. I'm looking forward to the anniversary party.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
05/21/24 10:02:04PM
441 posts

FOTMD one year anniversary on July 29th, 2010 !


OFF TOPIC discussions

Well, Lisa, I'd say this teenager you brought forth 15 years ago has been on his best behavior, wouldn't you?

MJ
@mj
05/21/24 08:00:18PM
3 posts

buzzy strings


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Hi Dwain; here are my answers . Thanks for your help

Are all the strings buzzing? YES
Are the buzzes on a single fret or a group (or groups) of frets? Mostly from fret 2 and up.(the lowest string is not as bad)
What is the scale length (measure from the nut or the center of the zero fret to the 7th fret to get the nominal scale length).

12 1/4 inches 

What are the string gauges? .012 .012  .020 ( ( think)
What is each one tuned to? D A D 
Can you slip a nickel coin between the last fret and the bass string? YES
Is there any buzzing on the open (not pushed down at any fret) strings? Yes but its slight and intermittent.

Strumelia
@strumelia
05/21/24 07:59:52PM
2,399 posts

FOTMD one year anniversary on July 29th, 2010 !


OFF TOPIC discussions

I just stumbled on this discussion again... what a blast from the past.
So... this next Summer, in July 2024,
FOTMD will be  fifteen  years old.  surprised    oma

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
05/21/24 07:17:58PM
441 posts

New Knopf Dulcimers website!


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

Thank you, friends!   If I can assist you in your dulcimore requirements, please let me know.  I'm now starting another cherry Jethro Amburgey dulcimore, just like the one I finished a few days ago!

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
05/20/24 05:28:11PM
273 posts

New Knopf Dulcimers website!


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Looks great John. Glad you are back up with the website.

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
05/20/24 08:24:14AM
441 posts

New Knopf Dulcimers website!


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

Thank you all!  I had plenty of assistance from Michael Willey, one of our members here.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
05/20/24 06:38:09AM
2,157 posts

New Knopf Dulcimers website!


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Bravo, John!   Love the new website!  Love my Thomas replica too!

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
05/20/24 06:26:36AM
1,542 posts

New Knopf Dulcimers website!


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

John, your site looks good and easy to navigate!  I saw pretty dulcimers when I was there.  nod  

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
05/19/24 10:04:12PM
441 posts

New Knopf Dulcimers website!


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

Finally I have a new website for my dulcimer-building work!  It shows my current model range, as well as a few dulcimers ready to sell right now.  Give it a look, and thanks very much!

John Knopf

Dwain Wilder
@dwain-wilder
05/17/24 10:53:51PM
73 posts

buzzy strings


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

MJ:

Thanks for the good advice about anchor pegs- that dulcimer  now has a new anchor, loop end strings and her owner is delighted.  

Now I have a new question. Is there an easy way to fix buzzy strings.  I recently replaced friction tuners ( no screw on the end- just pegs) with geared tuners - in order to make a donated dulcimer tunable and playable. the Strings buzzed before I changed to geared tuners, I think it is slightly better but I was wondering if there is an easy fix for buzzy strings.

 

Hi MJ, we'll need more info about buzzing before giving advice:

Are all the strings buzzing?
Are the buzzes on a single fret or a group (or groups) of frets?
What is the scale length (measure from the nut or the center of the zero fret to the 7th fret to get the nominal scale length).
What are the string gauges?
What is each one tuned to?
Can you slip a nickel coin between the last fret and the bass string?
Is there any buzzing on the open (not pushed down at any fret) strings?

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
05/17/24 07:26:59PM
441 posts

buzzy strings


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

A string buzzes if it's too loose, or if the next fret up from where you're noting is too tall.  The tall fret needs to be filed down slightly so the string doesn't hit it. 

You could also try raising the nut with a shim, or raising the bridge with a shim.  All of the frets need to be level with each other to keep the buzzing away.

MJ
@mj
05/17/24 05:55:41PM
3 posts

buzzy strings


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Thanks for the good advice about anchor pegs- that dulcimer  now has a new anchor, loop end strings and her owner is delighted.  

Now I have a new question. Is there an easy way to fix buzzy strings.  I recently replaced friction tuners ( no screw on the end- just pegs) with geared tuners - in order to make a donated dulcimer tunable and playable. the Strings buzzed before I changed to geared tuners, I think it is slightly better but I was wondering if there is an easy fix for buzzy strings.

Nate
@nate
05/16/24 02:57:51PM
440 posts

How Many Dulcimers Do You Own?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I have been giving away my dulcimers to people around town, and out of the 10 or so that I had a couple months ago, I now own 3. One problem with making experimental dulcimers is that I end up with *tons* that don't look or sound that good. I'd still feel bad just breaking them down for their hardware, though, so they pile up until I offload them on local musicians. lol

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
05/15/24 09:59:33AM
67 posts

Tenor Guitars


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Jim Yates:

About 45 years back, I found this little old tenor guitar at a yard sale.  I kept steel strings on it for about a decade, but, being worried about its integrity, I switched to nylon and put it in Chicago tuning (DGBE).  It was mostly a wall hanger for a long time, but since joining Ukulele Underground, I have been making some videos and occasionally whip out the tenor guitar/baritone uke.  Here's what it sounds like.


 

Wow you did an amazing job trying to to preserve that guitar.

Jim Yates
@jim-yates
05/15/24 09:14:41AM
68 posts

Tenor Guitars


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

About 45 years back, I found this little old tenor guitar at a yard sale.  I kept steel strings on it for about a decade, but, being worried about its integrity, I switched to nylon and put it in Chicago tuning (DGBE).  It was mostly a wall hanger for a long time, but since joining Ukulele Underground, I have been making some videos and occasionally whip out the tenor guitar/baritone uke.  Here's what it sounds like.

Homer Ross
@homer-ross
05/14/24 05:19:56PM
19 posts

Hammered Dulcimer Forums


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Thank you for your feedback.

Strumelia
@strumelia
05/13/24 11:52:07PM
2,399 posts

Try these sites for free tab


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Thought I'd throw in this additional link for where to find free dulcimer tab:
https://dulcimertab.com/click-here-for-tablature-list/

(btw I think a lot of their tab is actually taken from the original Bruce Ford's Everything Dulcimer site, which is no longer existing.)


updated by @strumelia: 05/14/24 09:34:44AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
05/13/24 10:16:15AM
2,399 posts

Where should I post TAB


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?

(@Ken - I removed your post because it gave inaccurate advice, sorry)

Strumelia
@strumelia
05/13/24 10:14:52AM
2,399 posts

Where should I post TAB


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?

Hi Sarah, FOTMD does not have a TAB section, since there are places where one can post tab online or on their own websites.  Try looking amongst the sites in this thread for good places to post your tab:
https://fotmd.com/forums/forum/dulcimer-resourcestabs-books-websites-dvds/5559/try-these-sites-for-free-tab

That aside, since your TAB is for a copyrighted (non-public domain) song by Merle Haggard, it would not meet the criteria for sharing with other members here on FOTMD. Our site has fairly firm guidelines about posting or hosting copyrighted material.

However, I would say that if instead of attaching your file to a post here,  if you instead post your TAB elsewhere online, I would not mind if you post a LINK here on fotmd, telling members about the fact that you are offering it on that other site. That way, our site is not technically 'hosting/offering' the file here. 

Sorry for the inconvenience!

Sarah-Miner
@sarah-miner
05/13/24 09:08:50AM
1 posts

Where should I post TAB


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?

I wrote a TAB arrangement I would like to share but I do not know where to share it so people can see it.


updated by @sarah-miner: 05/13/24 10:00:38AM
Lorilee
@lorilee
05/11/24 09:24:37AM
20 posts

Try these sites for free tab


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Thanks Dusty! I got it, and the notation is not a problem. So thanks again!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
05/10/24 06:04:25PM
1,844 posts

Try these sites for free tab


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

@lorilee and @robin-thompson, Neal is only charging $5 for a download of that Richard Fariña book, but the version of "A Swallow Song" there does not contain tab. It's just the melody in standard music notation and chord names to strum while you sing.  Most of the book is tab, but there are 2-3 songs like this where the melody is not provided in tab.


updated by @dusty: 05/10/24 06:05:12PM
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
05/10/24 03:13:44PM
1,542 posts

Try these sites for free tab


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

@lorilee The Richard Fariña Dulcimer Book is available for purchase as download from Gourd Music here: https://www.gourd.com/Books.html

Lorilee
@lorilee
05/10/24 02:26:38PM
20 posts

Try these sites for free tab


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Does anyone have tablature that they are willing to share for RIchard Farina's A Swallow Song?

Jim Yates
@jim-yates
05/10/24 02:14:34AM
68 posts

Call 'em Ukes, Ukuleles, but never Ukeleles!


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

This is actually a fun song to play.  You don't have to use the falsetto voice.

Tiptoe Through The Tulips Al Dublin & Joe Burke 1929Intro: C / A / |Dm / G7 / :||[C] Tiptoe [A] to the [Dm] window [G7]By the [C] window,[C7] that is [F] where I'll [Cdim] beCome [C] tiptoe [A] through the [Dm] tulips [G7] with [C] me [A][Dm][G7]Oh, [C] tiptoe [A] from the [Dm] garden [G7]By the [C] garden [C7] of the [F] willow [Cdim] treeCome and [C] tiptoe [A] through the [Dm] tulips [G7] with [C] me [F][C][C7]Knee [F] deep in [Em] flowers we'll [A7] strayWe'll [B7] keep the [Dm] showers a[G7]wayAnd if I [C] kiss you [A] in the [Dm] garden, [G7]In the [C] moonlight [C7] will you [F] pardon [Cdim] me?And [C] tiptoe [A] through the [Dm] tulips [G7] with [C] me [A][Dm][G7]



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