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Oh, "Gnarled" is great and great fun-- thanks for including it here, fellas!Suzanne, I've never seen these lyrics nor before heard the song. Poignant. Thank you.
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Oh, "Gnarled" is great and great fun-- thanks for including it here, fellas!Suzanne, I've never seen these lyrics nor before heard the song. Poignant. Thank you.
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Thanks for the links, Ken. I was familiar neither with the legend surrounding Gelert nor the story of Saint Guinefort.Dogs rule! Come to think of it, cats do, too! :)
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Robin, I don't know the song, but the story is known as the "Gelert Legend" among English-speaking people. It's a Welsh story, also found in cultures worldwide, with the faithful dog replaced by a tame bear, a mongoose, or whatever.See also the noncanonical Saint Guinefort who is definitely a good sort of saint.
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Ken, "Old Blue" is deserving of the praise it gets.I heard a song on radio about a man who returns to his cabin to find his dog bloodied. Believing the dog to have killed his child, the man kills the dog. Of course the fellow then learns the dog had gotten bloodied protecting (or trying to protect) the child from a wild animal.This ring a bell with anybody? I don't remember the facts of the song well-- probably obvious. Maybe it's one of the maudlin coon dog songs Ken mentioned. Anyway, the song hit me right in the heart. My, was it sad!
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Thanks Robin, for using Old Blue to kick this one off. We lost both our blueticks this year, and they're the last ones we'll have. Too old to keep up with them. :)I think all these have been mentioned, but here are some links.There's "Coon Dog" , aka "Old Coon Dog" which uses pretty much the same tune as Angeline the Baker.Then there's "My Old Coon Dog" sung to the same tune as "Whoa Mule".Here's "Old Rattler" sung by Grandpa Jones.You can buy whole CDs of maudlin coon dog songs if you go to one of the big hunts, but I would recommend it. :)
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ff,I don't recall ever hearing all the lyrics. And you're right about that last line. I imagine the poor dog might've been off somewhere on a chase if he weren't charged with watching over feckless Betsy and Ike. :)
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How could you forget the dog:Oh don't you remember sweet Betsy from Pike,Who crossed the wide prairie with her lover Ike,With two yoke of oxen, a big yellow dog,A tall Shangai rooster, and one spotted hog?CHORUS:Singing dang fol dee dido,Singing dang fol dee day.One evening quite early they camped on the Platte.'Twas near by the road on a green shady flat.Where Betsy, sore-footed, lay down to repose --With wonder Ike gazed on that Pike County rose.The Shanghai ran off, and their cattle all died;That morning the last piece of bacon was fried;Poor Ike was discouraged and Betsy got mad,The dog drooped his tail and looked wondrously sad.It's the line "The dog drooped his tail and looked wondrously sad" that always catches me. I can just see him looking at his people thinking, "Well, this is another fine mess you've gotten me into!" ;-) Robin Thompson said:
Right now, I've got fiddler Rayna Gellert's Old Yeller Dog Come Trottin Through The Meetinghouse playing on my iTunes. Neat tune.
folkfan, I don't know all the words to Sweet Betsey from Pike so am glad she took her dog. Of the words I know, she only had her husband Ike with her.
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Flint-Hill's "Old Blue" tops my list!When I was little, I wanted to know if there was a dog heaven. Now that I'm well into middle age, I know where I want to go when I die. :)
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But, isn't the best dog song EVER, "Old Blue?"And you banja pickers ought to know "Cumberland Mountain Deer Race," with various dogs being called by name, and imitated on the banjo. More acoustically realistic is DeFord Bailey's harmonica rendition of "Fox Chase," on the same general theme, only the dogs are chasing a different critter.I regularly have deer and foxes in my yard, but almost never a dog (chasing them, or otherwise). Fairfax County has a leash law, applied pretty strictly to dogs, but not to wildlife. Hardly seems fair.
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Mary, have you ever heard John Hartford's old-timey version of "You Ain't Nothin' But a Hound Dog"?PS-The second YouTube link didn't take me to your favorite dog tune of all time. :(
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Also the fiddle tunes:Joke on the Puppy (also known as Rye Straw)Ole Coon DogPrairie DogThat's My Rabbit, My Dog Caught It (gotta love old-time fiddle tune names)Road DogCorn DogPretty Little DogLittle Lap Dogand of course,Salty Dog
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Right now, I've got fiddler Rayna Gellert's Old Yeller Dog Come Trottin Through The Meetinghouse playing on my iTunes. Neat tune.folkfan, I don't know all the words to Sweet Betsey from Pike so am glad she took her dog. Of the words I know, she only had her husband Ike with her.
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Happy Puppy, and remember that Sweet Betsey from Pike took her dog with her. The old yeller dog along with the Shanghai Rooster.
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There are a few fiddle tunes (with no lyrics) that I enjoy the names of-Stump-tailed Dolly is said to be named after a dog, as is Old Rattler.I also like the fiddle tunes Dogs in the Dishes, and Granny Will Your Dog Bite.
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Lassie, Ole Yeller, Spot. . . How much is that doggie in the window? B-I-N-G-O, B-I-N-G-O. . . Whether you actually had a dog or not, many grew up watching, reading, or singing about a dog.
Got any favorite dog-themed songs?
Here's one of mine and it's by FOTMD member Flint-Hill:
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Doug's photo of the burning dulcimer is almost a heart-stopper. And a prompt to think.It was a pleasure to hear Doug's music at Fort New Salem WV last August!
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I heartily concur. A cocktail of technical information, humour,philosophical musings and a wealth of illustrations related to many things from 'yesterday', plus the bonus of the occasional mention of dulcimers.I'd buy the book!!!JohnH
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Just had to mention the very interesting and well-crafted music-themed blog that Doug Berch has online:
http://dougberch.com/blog/
Will cure most cases of musical boredom. Lots of varied and entertaining entries. I certainly share Doug's enthusiasm for quirky archaic illustrations.
My most helpful discovery on Doug's blog so far?- his pointing me to the online version of the 1899 book titled The Natural History of the Musical Bow by Henry Balfour. Naturally this is particularly exciting to me due to my recent adventures in attempting to play the mouth bow.
Be sure to say hi to Zelda and Fifi while you're there...
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Actually, I don't use quite the same means to get my tab as KenH does. I find out what the starting note of the key is not the starting note of the tune. Let's say the key signature is G, I number my G's as 3 or 10 depending on their position (low to high) on the staff, then I find out what the resolving note of the music is. If it ends on 1 or 8, I play it in Aeolian, if it ends on a 4, I'll play it in Dorian. But I have many Aeolian songs that don't begin on 3. In fact none of my Aeolian songs begin on 3.Artsa Alinu starts 1 ends 1Dodi Li starts 1 ends 1Donna Donna starts 5 ends 1Erev Shel Shoshanim 1 to 1The Foggy Dew 5 to 1HaTikvah 1 to 1Jerusalem of Gold 5 to 1The Parting Glass 5 to 1Peat Bog Soldier 1 to 1Shalom Chaverin 5 to 1The Star of the County Down 0 to 1Black is the Color 1 to 1I really never pay attention to the starting note of a song as through the years singers have started higher or lower sort of at their choice, but you usually don't change the modal tuning at whim. So if you want to just take a folk song book that has a lot of tunes in it that you know, all you have to do to be able to decide what mode you need is to know what key the tune is written in and give that note the number 3 and go up or down from there. If it ends on a 3 or 10 it's in Ionian and can be tuned DAA . If the song ends on a 1 or 8, DAC would be the tuning/Aeolian/1-5-7. If it ends on 4, Dorian, DAG, 1-5-4. And if it end on 0 Mixolydian with the flatted 7th note at the 6th fret.If, however, you want to play in DAd using a tab for a major pattern tune (Ionian) you need to subtract 3 to get started on the zero. DAA/3 is DAd 0. Notes below DAA/3 can be played on the MIDDLE string at the same place DAA/2 is DAd/2 DAA/1 is DAd/1 and DAA/0 is DAd/0 However, DAA/9 is DAd/6+. It's fairly simple to find what mode you need for traditional types of folk songs. As for Phrygian, Lydian and Locrian, unless you want to write tunes in these modes, you're not going to be finding very many tunes all ready in them. One author of an instructional book I have that teaches modes had to write his own tunes to demonstrate them. Ken Hulme said:
Aeolian Notes
A Mode is an octave (8 note) scale in diatonic music. Tonal music uses a 12 step scale.Modes are divided into two groups major and minor. Ionian mode is the Major Scale in tonal music - no sharps or flats. Aeolian mode is the Natural Minor Scale in tonal music. Compared to Ionian, its 3rd, 6th, and 7th notes are flatted.Modes are defined by the pattern of Whole steps and Half steps in the scale, not by the actual pitches (notes) used.Aeolian Mode (W-H-W-W-H-W-W)Aeolian mode is referred to by many people as the minor key. Aeolian intervals create the same feel as many modern blues songs. Songs in Aeolian mode have a strong sense of sadness. The final note of an Aeolian scale feels resolved in a completely different sense than the Ionian. If Dorian mode sounds melancholy Aeolian mode reeks of despair.Dorian Mode (W-H-W-W-W-H-W)Dorian is most commonly heard in Celtic music and early American folk songs derived from Irish melodies. Dorian mode sounds a little melancholy because the final note (re) doesn't quite resolve itself. The song may be over, but the singer is still unsettled.Each mode starts on a different fret:Mixolydian starts at the Open and 7th fretAeolian starts at the 1st and 8th fretLocrian starts at the 2nd and 9th fretIonian starts at the 3rd and 10th fretDorian starts at the 4th and 11th fretPhrygian starts at the 5th and 12th fretLydian starts at the 6th and 13th fretThe Keynote (A-G) depends on the note to which the open Bass string of the dulcimer is tuned. Each mode has a "traditional Keynote" (low 'do') associated with it:Aeolian A traditional tuning AEGLocrian B typical tuning Bb F GIonian C traditional tuning CGGDorian D traditional tuning DAGPhrygian E typical dulcimer tuning E Bb GLydian F typical dulcimer tuning F E BbMixolydian G traditional tuning GDgSince so many people have become D-sensitized (all puns intended) to the traditional keynotes of the Modes, here are the key of D Modal tunings:Ionian.........DAA...1-5-5Locrian.......DAB...1-5-6Aeolian.......DAC...1-5-7Mixolydian...DAd...1-5-8Lydian........DAE...1-5-2Phrygian......DAF...1-5-3Dorian........DAG...1-5-4Only Locrian and Dorian are left in their traditional keynotes.If youre tuned in Ionian mode and are tabbing out a song... If the first note is on the third fret, but the last note is on 1 or 8 then play the music in Aeolian Mode. If the first note is on the third fret but the last note is a 4, play it in Dorian.
Aeolian NotesA Mode is an octave (8 note) scale in diatonic music. Tonal music uses a 12 step scale.Modes are divided into two groups major and minor. Ionian mode is the Major Scale in tonal music - no sharps or flats. Aeolian mode is the Natural Minor Scale in tonal music. Compared to Ionian, its 3rd, 6th, and 7th notes are flatted.Modes are defined by the pattern of Whole steps and Half steps in the scale, not by the actual pitches (notes) used.Aeolian Mode (W-H-W-W-H-W-W)Aeolian mode is referred to by many people as the minor key. Aeolian intervals create the same feel as many modern blues songs. Songs in Aeolian mode have a strong sense of sadness. The final note of an Aeolian scale feels resolved in a completely different sense than the Ionian. If Dorian mode sounds melancholy Aeolian mode reeks of despair.Dorian Mode (W-H-W-W-W-H-W)Dorian is most commonly heard in Celtic music and early American folk songs derived from Irish melodies. Dorian mode sounds a little melancholy because the final note (re) doesn't quite resolve itself. The song may be over, but the singer is still unsettled.Each mode starts on a different fret:Mixolydian starts at the Open and 7th fretAeolian starts at the 1st and 8th fretLocrian starts at the 2nd and 9th fretIonian starts at the 3rd and 10th fretDorian starts at the 4th and 11th fretPhrygian starts at the 5th and 12th fretLydian starts at the 6th and 13th fretThe Keynote (A-G) depends on the note to which the open Bass string of the dulcimer is tuned. Each mode has a "traditional Keynote" (low 'do') associated with it:Aeolian A traditional tuning AEGLocrian B typical tuning Bb F GIonian C traditional tuning CGGDorian D traditional tuning DAGPhrygian E typical dulcimer tuning E Bb GLydian F typical dulcimer tuning F E BbMixolydian G traditional tuning GDgSince so many people have become D-sensitized (all puns intended) to the traditional keynotes of the Modes, here are the key of D Modal tunings:Ionian.........DAA...1-5-5Locrian.......DAB...1-5-6Aeolian.......DAC...1-5-7Mixolydian...DAd...1-5-8Lydian........DAE...1-5-2Phrygian......DAF...1-5-3Dorian........DAG...1-5-4Only Locrian and Dorian are left in their traditional keynotes.If youre tuned in Ionian mode and are tabbing out a song... If the first note is on the third fret, but the last note is on 1 or 8 then play the music in Aeolian Mode. If the first note is on the third fret but the last note is a 4, play it in Dorian.
Edited again. Hopefully I'm fully awake this time. ;-) folkfan said:
I edited my post to correct the relationship between Dorian and Aeolian. Dorian is a 1-5-4 tuning so in D would be DAG which puts the d at the 4th fret. Aeolian, a 1-5-7 tuning, which in D would be DAC which puts the d at the first fret. In both the note that the melody string is tuned to is considered in the octave.
folkfan said:The notation for the mode indicates the key that the mode is being played in and the mode itself by way of the relationship of the notes to the start of the scale being used. So Dorian in D would DAG as Dorian is a 1-5-4 tuning putting the d at the 4th fret. The Aeolian note relationship is 1/5/7 as the first note of the octave scale is D, the fifth note of the octave is A and the 7th note of the octave is C. The C is still considered in the first octave of the D scale. In DAd the d is both at the end of the first octave and the start of the second. The smaller d is frequently, but not always used to indicate that the melody d is an octave higher than the bass D.
The definition of octave means a run of 8 notes in a particular scale pattern, such as D major, or Bflat minor. The note of the scale patterns starts and stops the octave.
What can I say? It was one of those days. I suppose it comes from looking at the tuning in the key of D. I absolutely hate trying to go from the key of C in my mind to the key of D that someone else would be playing. 1-5-5 is definitely Ionian, 1-5-4 is Dorian, 1-5-7 is Aeolian, and 1-5-8 is Mixolydian. Now we've got that straight, heheheheheheeee John Shaw said:
Hello folkfan - What you call Ionian in this last post is actually Aeolian. Ionian would be 1-5-5 (eg. DAA).
I edited my post to correct the relationship between Dorian and Ionian. Dorian is a 1-5-4 tuning so in D would be DAG which puts the d at the 4th fret. Ionian, a 1-5-7 tuning, which in D would be DAC which puts the d at the first fret. In both the note that the melody string is tuned to is considered in the octave. folkfan said:
The notation for the mode indicates the key that the mode is being played in and the mode itself by way of the relationship of the notes to the start of the scale being used. So Dorian in D would DAG as Dorian is a 1-5-4 tuning putting the d at the 4th fret. The Ionian note relationship is 1/5/7 as the first note of the octave scale is D, the fifth note of the octave is A and the 7th note of the octave is C. The C is still considered in the first octave of the D scale. In DAd the d is both at the end of the first octave and the start of the second. The smaller d is frequently, but not always used to indicate that the melody d is an octave higher than the bass D.
The definition of octave means a run of 8 notes in a particular scale pattern, such as D major, or Bflat minor. The note of the scale patterns starts and stops the octave.
I really like the sound of this, Dave! Sweet! I'll try playing with it when I have a few spare moments. Dave Holeton said:
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I decided to record Wayfarin' Stranger in DAC tuning (Aeolian mode) and upload the sound file to this discussion so the mp3 file is at the bottom of this reply. The version is very simple played on the melody strings only (no chords) with a light random picking on the drone strings. If you tune your dulcimer to DAC, you can play along with the recording to learn the song. Wayfarin Stranger starts on the first fret and it repeats the song twice with a tag (repeat of the final phrase) at the end. It takes a minute or two to load but once it is loaded you can replay it as many times as you like while learning the song. Try it and let me know if it works for you. Dave
The notation for the mode indicates the key that the mode is being played in and the mode itself by way of the relationship of the notes to the start of the scale being used. So Dorian in D would DAC. The Dorian note relationship is 1/5/7 as the first note of the octave scale is D, the fifth note of the octave is A and the 7th note of the octave is C. The C is still considered in the first octave of the D scale. In DAd the d is both at the end of the first octave and the start of the second. The smaller d is frequently, but not always used to indicate that the melody d is an octave higher than the bass D.The definition of octave means a run of 8 notes in a particular scale pattern, such as D major, or Bflat minor. The note of the scale patterns starts and stops the octave.
Just thought I'd mention it for clarity's sake. Using the small c in DAc would indicate (at least to me) that the c is tune to the octave above where the C should be. Aeolian in D is tuned DAC with the D, A, and C all in the same octave. DAc would be D, A in the octave lower than the c shown or D*,E,F,G,A*,B,C,d,e,f,g,a,b,c*.The small d is used in DAd because the notes used are in different octaves. D*,E,F,G,A*,B,C,d*Dorian in key of D would be DAG, and is again all in the same octave D*,E,F,G*,A*.For the purest among us, I haven't sharped the F's, and C's as they would be in running the scale of the key of D.It's interesting that DAd and DAD are both used and understood for a 1-5-8 tuning where the D on the melody is an octave higher than the bass. "Confusing and chaos writing tunings can be, young padawan"
Lorinda Jones Dulcimer a la ModeMark Nelson Scottish Airs and Ballads for Appalachian DulcimerLance Frodsham English Songs and Ballads for Appalachian DulcimerAnd if you are playing in DAd you are playing in a major tuning. True Mix. tunes are pretty rare, but a lot of what is in DAd is actually in the Ionian pattern if using the 6+ or if the 6th fret isn't used at all.DAC and DAG are minor modes and will sound strange played with a major tuning in a duet. It might be interesting, but strange. DAd, DAA, DAC, and DAG are all in the key of D but with the scale starting at different frets. DAd/the d is at 0, DAA/the d is at 3, DAC/d at 1, DAG/d at 4, so yes, your fingerings for each would be different.
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Wow, thanks! I'll have to try some of these. Many are already favorites of mine, but the 1 5 8 tuning, coupled with my middling playing skills, don't seem to do some of them justice. I opened up whole new horizons on the instrument when I got the 1.5 & 8.5 frets. Looks like this could do the same.Can you play the same song as a duet, one tuned DAD and one tuned DAC? Different fingerings, obviously. Or do you wind up in different keys?Here's a list of songs/tunes that are said to be in the Aeolian mode according to posters at ED and Mudcat.
DianeI decided to record Wayfarin' Stranger in DAC tuning (Aeolian mode) and upload the sound file to this discussion so the mp3 file is at the bottom of this reply. The version is very simple played on the melody strings only (no chords) with a light random picking on the drone strings. If you tune your dulcimer to DAC, you can play along with the recording to learn the song. Wayfarin Stranger starts on the first fret and it repeats the song twice with a tag (repeat of the final phrase) at the end. It takes a minute or two to load but once it is loaded you can replay it as many times as you like while learning the song. Try it and let me know if it works for you.Others on this site can provide similar arrangements on many of the suggested songs listed on this forum. If you ask, we might react much like the race for the Golden Spike to see who can get it there first, but we have the technology to share, why not?Dave
Here's a list of songs/tunes that are said to be in the Aeolian mode according to posters at ED and Mudcat. I collected these over a couple of years time. Additions and corrections welcome.I also have lists of supposed-to-be in the Dorian, Phrygian, and Lydian modes, but the error rate is pretty high. I can post those if anyone is interested.A ship was lost at seaArise AriseBabylon is FallenBanks of FordieBlack is the colorBloody GardenerBonny Hind (probably Dorian)Border Widow's LamentBotany Bay (Skibereen)CallahanCharlie is My DarlingCome all ye fair and tender ladies.Consolation (Sacred Harp)Cool of the DayCrafty Maids policyDabbling in the DewDaemon LoverDona DonaDrowned LoverEast VirginiaEl ShaddaiErev Shel Shoshanim (An Evening of Roses)Erin's green shoreFair Nottiman TownFarewell to WhiskeyFoggy DewFuneral Hymn - Sacred Harp 320God rest ye merry gentlemenGreensleeves (What Child Is This)HaTikvahHangman's reel in EmHouse CarpenterHouse of the Rising SunI Wonder as I WanderIn the pinesJohn BarleycornJohn HenryJohnny on the WaterKing of the FairiesLong Black VeilLord LovelLowlands of HollandMary Did You KnowMayn Ruhe Platz (Mein Rue Platz)North country maidO sacred head now woundedOutlandish KnightPeat Bog SoldierRaggle Taggle GypsiesRandall CollinsSatan your kingdom must come downScarborough Fair (Actually Dorian, I think.)Shady Grove /Mattie GrovesShalom ChaverimSprig of ThymeStar of the county downThe Cat Came BackThe CuckooThe Parting GlassThe Star of the County DownThe night they drove old Dixie downTwo sistersWayfaring StrangerWe Three Kings of Orient Are (verses only)What Do You Do With A Drunken Sailor (Actually Dorian, I think.)Wild Bill JonesWindham - Denson 38bWondrous loveYerushalayim Shel Zahav (Jerusalem of Gold)
I posted a few days ago 2 Old Hymns that are in Aeolian mode in the Hymn and Worship song group.. they both would be DAC tuning...The songs are Satan Your Kingdom Must Come Down and Windham..
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There's a Rain Captain? Can we get him fired or something? We've had enough rain, and we aren't even close to The Mississippi!
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Was this name brought on by all the rain captain.
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The flood gates have been opened .... my dulcimer decided to tell me its name is "Nemo" ( go figure! )
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LOL not a bug or a cat
it's a Boston Terror. HAHA
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That ain't no BUG, it's a CAT! I've seen those kinda critters before.
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OK, my dulcimer has told me her name finally, it's Ginger. :)