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Dusty Turtle
@dusty
06/13/21 07:16:26PM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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In the folk tradition, we generally agree that isolating "who" originally did something is pretty tough indeed.  Instead we talk about different regional traditions that developed over time. As @dan and @ken-hulme have explained, today, people sometimes use the term "dulcimore" to refer to traditional, pre-revival (1940s) instruments or replicas of those instruments.

Just for kicks, a few years ago I collected the attached list of the various names that have been given to our beloved instrument.


a dulcimer by any other name.pdf - 44KB

updated by @dusty: 06/13/21 10:36:40PM
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
06/13/21 01:32:28PM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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"Exact" is such a hard word!   As Dan sez, back in the day there was no standard spelling for dulcimer/dulcimore/dulcemore, and there were numerous regional names for the instrument as well. 

Today many of us use the dulcimore/dulcemore spelling to distinguish instruments made in a more traditional, less modern way.  Our "bible" as it were is L. Allen Smith's landmark book Catalogue of Pre-Revival Appalachian Dulcimers.  Hundreds of traditional designs to replicate or emulate.

Here are a few characteristics which a number of us use to distinguish between a modern and traditional "dulcimer".

  • With few exceptions, Traditional instruments have partial width staple frets, not full-width modern 'mushroom' frets.
  • Traditional instruments use woods native to the Eastern US (notablyu polar) ,  not the Western US or 'exotic' woods
  • With few exceptions, Traditional instruments do not have mechanical tuners; they use violin type tuners or autoharp type tuning pins
  • Traditional instruments have purely diatonic fret layouts -- no "plus" frets at all,
  • Traditional instruments have full-length fretboards.
  • Traditional instruments have no wound strings
  • Traditional instruments almost always have overhanging 'fiddle edges' rather than flush top/side joints
  • Traditional instruments were almost invariably played in the Noter & Drone or Fingerdancing styles, without fingerpicking, three-finger chords, or DAd tuning (unless the song absolutely required Mixolydian tuning).
  • The most common tunings seem to have been Unison (all strings the same gauge and same high note -- d-d-d) or Bagpipe (middle and melody strings an octave higher than the bass string D-d-d), with 1-5-5 tunings a close third. 

updated by @ken-hulme: 06/13/21 01:37:43PM
Dan
@dan
06/13/21 12:54:52PM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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Don't know there is any thing exact in the tradition. Some (I included) use the term Dulcimore to differentiate the traditional  pieces from the contemporary pieces. "Dulcimore" was just one of several regional names assigned to an Appalachian folk instrument some 150 year ago? Hog fiddle, scantlin', music box, harmonium to name a few, and those had varying regional mountain pronunciations too! There will be several sages to enlighten you to the origins of the terms!

You might be better suited to ask the difference between the traditional piece and a contemporary?


updated by @dan: 06/13/21 12:55:59PM
Corvus
@corvus
06/13/21 11:48:02AM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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From the pictures I've seen they both seem to be extremely similar indeed. Do you know who invented the word dulcimore, and who invented the word dulcimer?

 

B. Ross Ashley
@b-ross-ashley
06/12/21 11:28:04PM
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Strumelia:

Hey B.Ross, there are two bearded guys with plaid shirts in that video. nerd2



Ooops, the other one is Steve Taylor, our bass section leader ... my shirt is red.plaid. HIs hair is grey, and if you could hear him individually you would hear a North of England accent.

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
06/12/21 09:12:22PM
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Awarding the "giveaway dulcimore" in Berea!


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Great photo John and great dulcimore given to Diane. Contrats Diane. Enjoy your dulcimore

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
06/12/21 01:29:29PM
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The return to gatherings with family and friends is so wonderful. Scrabble, Banagrams, or just sharing a bottle of wine.

I just booked tickets for the family to visit my folks, whom we haven't seen in nearly two years, since the summer before the pandemic.  And we're attending a neighborhood party this evening, when we've all pitched in to hire a pizza truck, two guys with a wood-fired oven that they tow around from their van.  All the adults and kids over 12 in the neighborhood have been vaccinated, and we'll be outdoors anyway.  It will be so nice to hang out with people again.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
06/12/21 01:15:02PM
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John, with one exception, I am in the process of thinning the herd here.  We're thinking we're going to get a much smaller house (and no steps/next to none) someday.  Even if I don't own one of your beauties, I admire them greatly.  

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
06/12/21 12:51:33PM
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Thanks, Robin!  

There's one somewhere here in my stack of poplar with your name on it (maybe?).

Strumelia
@strumelia
06/12/21 08:41:38AM
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James that is so nice... enjoy your lovely visit!
I played Bananagrams at the kitchen table with my daughter and my son in law. So 'normal'  and so fun! This is their first time visiting anyone since Feb 2020.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
06/12/21 08:31:24AM
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John, that Will Singleton dulcimer is a treasure!  

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
06/12/21 08:28:50AM
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@james-phillips Have fun catching up with your mom and playing Scrabble!  

James Phillips
@james-phillips
06/12/21 07:21:23AM
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I can honestly say, the one thing about all this is, at least among the people I know, is the sense of community and that we are all in this together.  We've been been vax'd since April (with working at Dart Container we fell into Phase 1B of the roll-out here in IL) and for the first time since March of 2020 tonight we'll be going to my Mom's for dinner and Scrabble.  It's been tough not doing anything together in person with my Mom so am looking forward to it.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
06/11/21 07:52:11PM
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The Positive Thread...


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@susie I'm glad Nightbirde touched your heart-- she touched my heart, too.  

Strumelia
@strumelia
06/11/21 04:52:42PM
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Hey B.Ross, there are two bearded guys with plaid shirts in that video. nerd2


Dusty Turtle:I'm sitting with my daughter in the outdoor patio of a neighborhood café.  It feels so strange to be in public with no mask on. 

This morning i was sitting my MY daughter in the outdoor patio of our neighborhood cafe too Dusty!.  :)
Yes it does feel strange to be out and about without a mask on next to people outdoors. (like a lot of folks I know, we still feel better wearing masks when indoors with strangers, and when in stores)   I'm especially grateful the weather in our part of the world allows us to eat in outside restaurants.
I'm beginning to feel much safer near others. This mental adjustment does take a little time. When outdoors, i no longer wear mask at all, indoors I still do unless i know everyone has been vaxilated.  ;D  Us 'human magnets' gotta stick together, after all... ahahahah!!!  I find it so handy to just stick my car keys on my forehead now... i never lose track of them anymore.  biglaugh


updated by @strumelia: 06/11/21 04:54:21PM
B. Ross Ashley
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06/11/21 04:23:44PM
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Got my second dose of Moderna yesterday. Sandie is on track to get her second Pfizer shot in about two weeks. Ontario is opening up gradually ... patios opened last night just after midnight for al fresco dining, and so  forth.

Our community choir released our 2021 final concert video on Youtube about a week ago ... I'm the bearded guy wearing a plaid shirt in the three new songs recorded remotely.



The link is also posted on our website  www.commonthreadchorus.ca

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
06/11/21 02:26:08PM
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I'm sitting with my daughter in the outdoor patio of a neighborhood café.  It feels so strange to be in public with no mask on.  Here in California, where the state is approaching that magical 70 percent vaccination rate, the pandemic restrictions are going to be lifted in about a week.  This café is even hosting its first ever open mic night a few days after the state re-opens.  A return to normal?  I wonder how long it will be before I'm comfortable with no mask on.

Strumelia
@strumelia
06/11/21 07:31:02AM
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Wow, what an amazing prize!!  worthy

Lucky lucky lucky lady Diane.  flower

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
06/11/21 01:51:34AM
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Congratulations to Diane.  And what a nice gesture on your part, John.

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
06/10/21 10:40:51PM
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Each year we have the Berea Traditional Dulcimore Gathering, one of the founding members builds a dulcimore to be given away at the gathering.  Two years ago, Bobby Ratliff of Grundy, VA built a traditional Virginia dulcimore out of 9 native woods. This year I built the giveaway dulcimore for the event.  Actually there was a choice this year: the winner could select a J. E. Thomas replica dulcimore or a Will Singleton replica dulcimore that I built.  Both of these were old Kentucky designs, but few have ever seen a Will Singleton dulcimore in person.  The winning attendee, Diane Peacock, chose the Singleton.  Here's a photo of the presentation.


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Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
06/10/21 09:46:26PM
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With or without the video, The-5-easiest-houseplants-for-beginners is for those of us who claim a "Black Thumb." 

For my continuing adventure, I patted myself on the back for getting a Mandevilla through the winter.  (The local greenhouse didn't think I could do it.)  Next I was careful taking it in & out of our sun room during times when it got cold at night -- having it on a rolling platform helped.  Once that danger was past, however, I figured it was just a case of give it lots of water & let it enjoy that sun.  WOOPS!  The poor baby's looking dehydrated even with lots of water flowing through it daily.  Fortunately there's still plenty of green, so it's now rolled over to a shady corner of that sun room & I'm just hoping I can again bring it around.  (Bought my usual 2 for the front entrance.  Won't let my hold-over Mandevilla see them -- too painful seeing what greenhouses produce.)

Have some other adventures with indoor houseplants (& outdoors), am even occasionally feeling like my thumb is getting "gray", but it's a long way to Tipperary & a long, long way to green.

jost
@jost
06/09/21 11:44:39AM
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Yeah some of my friends got their shots too, so we are looking forward for meeting the first time after one year.

Susie
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06/09/21 10:21:20AM
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Robin Thompson:I saw this America's Got Talent video this morning and found it very moving.  The young woman in it is originally from the county just north of where I live.  Also, I saw a young real-life friend of mine post that he & she have been lifelong friends.

Wow, that touched my heart. ❤️


updated by @susie: 06/09/21 10:27:05AM
Robin Thompson
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06/09/21 10:06:04AM
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I saw this America's Got Talent video this morning and found it very moving.  The young woman in it is originally from the county just north of where I live.  Also, I saw a young real-life friend of mine post that he & she have been lifelong friends.

https://youtu.be/CZJvBfoHDk0 

 

Strumelia
@strumelia
06/09/21 10:02:42AM
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Good for you Jost!  Soon you will be able to do everyday things with less apprehension. I can vouch that it feels reeeeeally good to know you have strong protection.  catdance

jost
@jost
06/09/21 09:40:36AM
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Got my Johnson & Johnson shot today. Up to now without side effects.

Susie
@susie
06/09/21 05:14:17AM
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How Many Dulcimers Do You Own?


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Ethan Chastain:

but are always open to more ; )



thumbsup

Ethan Chastain
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06/08/21 08:22:01PM
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Our family owns 6 of them, but are always open to more ; )

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
06/01/21 08:28:07PM
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My mom’s teardrop dulcimer


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That is a beautiful dulcimer. Best of luck finding out more about it.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
06/01/21 02:56:59PM
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Dr. Sanjay Gupta on how music is good for your brain.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
06/01/21 02:51:31PM
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My mom’s teardrop dulcimer


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Ah, now we can see!  Thanks Lisa.  Nice workmanship on this elliptical.  John's right, not a Tignor, but perhaps "in that vein".  Multi-piece tuning head similar to the ones I make, and it does look like Oak.  Tuniing pegs appear to imitate commercial violin/viola pegs.  No idea who/what HRC designates; most builders sign their whole name.  Is there other writing in the other sound holes?

John C. Knopf
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06/01/21 08:49:56AM
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My mom’s teardrop dulcimer


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I have not seen such a dulcimer before.  It looks homemade, maybe of oak.  I'm not familiar with the "HRC" designation.  It's not TOO old, because the frets are made of guitar fretwire.  The late John Tignor used the trefoil hole pattern, but I'm sure it's not one of his.

Strumelia
@strumelia
06/01/21 08:48:54AM
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My mom’s teardrop dulcimer


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I reduced the size of all the photos to a width of about 500 px.

Beautiful dulcimer!  I would call its shape elliptical rather than teardrop. Is it made of oak, perhaps? 
I cannot venture who the HRC may be...anyone? I would think that without a known maker and with no cracks or other problems, it might sell somewhere between $250-$500. Sorry that's a wide price range, but you never know who might want to buy it and what their idea of 'too much' is these days. If you decide to try to sell it here on FOTMD, you'd have to create a new thread in our For Sale forum and follow the posting rules there.
Do you have no interest in learning to play?

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
06/01/21 02:21:17AM
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I found the 6-String Soldiers on Memorial Day.  This is good sh . . . stuff.

Ken Hulme
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05/31/21 10:49:55PM
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My mom’s teardrop dulcimer


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Sorry -- your images are so large they are more or less not usable.   Probably best to Attach the files than embed them in the text message.

reasprin
@reasprin
05/31/21 10:44:25PM
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My mom’s teardrop dulcimer


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Just wondering if anyone has ideas on the age, where it may have originated, and it’s worth. I found this at my mom’s house and have no idea how long she had it or where she bought it. It has HRC inside the left spade/clover. original original original original

Nathina
@nathina
05/31/21 02:36:12PM
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Making a dulcimer humidity resistant?


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Ken Hulme:

 YOU ARE SERIOUSLY OVER-THINKING THIS WHOLE THING!

"
-coating the inside of the dulcimer in something water protectant: an idea I had earlier that seemed to not be useful in general, but maybe in this context would help it hold up."

No, NO, NO!   I live much closer to the ocean than your sister, and coating the inside will NOT work.  If it did I would be doing it.  For two years I lived less than 100 yards from the ocean on an island in the Pacific near the equator, one of the saltiest environments on the planet!  If coating the inside would have worked I would have done it.  IT DOES NOTHING!

-gluing in frets with a strong glue: in general I know that stronger glues tend to make maintenance and repair much more difficult, but if I want to build it to last, maybe I should glue them in with something heavy duty to reduce the chances of them shifting?

It is worth noting that I have traveled down there with dulcimers I have built and always had to pummel some raised frets every time I got there, so this is a primary concern for me.


You should not need to glue frets in if your slots are the proper width (not too wide), cut to the proper depth (not too shallow), and you have hammered/pressed them in properly.  However, if you feel you must glue, use one of the slow setting Super Glues, as my friend John Knopf recommends will do the job.

Gel Packs -- WILL NOT WORK. Not the way you think. You'd need ten pounds of silica gel and it will only last a few days. 

The fact is that the Dulcimer needs to adjust to the environment where it will live.  If it can't because you sealed it up inside and out, one scratch will cause it to warp horribly.   If the dulcimer can't adapt to local conditions because you artificially adjust it's local humidity with gel packs, it will warp the instant you let the humidity change.




 I Agree. Although in Arizona, humidity is "relatively constant" except for the monsoon season. 
Nathina
@nathina
05/31/21 02:26:14PM
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It seems I somehow only have nine now.

1 McSpadden,

1 Arthur lee West,

1 Fred Martin Bowed,

1 Gardener Teardrop,

2 Blue Lions,

1 Rugg and Jackel,

1 Jenny Lind Gibson,

1 HA Fleming

and a Hoffner Electric 

and selling a RS dulcimer, John A Maxwell, Daron Dulcimer and an unknown + an 1850-1870 Friedrich Augusta Glass Violin

Ken Longfield
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05/29/21 08:42:44PM
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Haha, John. I can only claim four bells in our choir, E flat 4, E4, F4, and F#4. I wouldn't ever try to play all 12 bells in an octave.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Susie
@susie
05/29/21 08:23:09PM
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Rob and John, thanks for sharing. It's interesting to see the other instruments that people play too.

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