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Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/27/19 10:01:25PM
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That's Ken. It is the foibles of traveling. For some reason I wasn't getting the whole discussion on my phone. Now that I'm back on the computer I see those photos. The terminology being used is what confused me. I consider the fret board to be what was once the "scheitholt-on-a-box" feature of the mountain dulcimer. Truthfully, I would like to get away from the "scheitholt" terminology all together, but I realize I am fighting a losing battle there.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
09/27/19 08:25:05PM
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My first dulcimer arrangement


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I enjoyed your video,  Ariane!  I don't know how to play from written arrangement so can't offer any meaningful feedback on it though I am sure it is good.  

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/27/19 04:09:32PM
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As Greg says, there aren't any real dulcimer specific resources for Child Ballads and the like; just scattered its here and there.  Greg has given you a number of good printed sources.   One of the best online resources that I know is www.contemplator.com.  She has audio recordings of the Child Ballads and much more.  There are also a couple of folks who have recorded many, if not all, of the Child Ballads on YouTube (guitar mostly).  

You are going to want to teach yourself how to create tab by ear.  

If this is the kind of music you are passionate about, you really do not need 4 strings and a 6-1/2 fret.  A 3-string,  traditional, true diatonic instrument tuned and re-tuned appropriately is going to be most useful.  That kind of instrument will give you the high silvery sound that goes so well with that kind of music.  It took awhile, but after 30 years of playing I finally figured that out  -- about 10 years ago.  

Anytime you want to "talk shop" about that kind of music, drop me a PM here and we can swap email addresses.  I can also point you to some beginner resources that I created years ago...


updated by @ken-hulme: 09/27/19 04:11:17PM
Rachel Hendirckson-Pufahl
@rachel-hendirckson-pufahl
09/27/19 03:38:15PM
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George Hendrickson Dulcimers


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What a pleasure to see these.  I am George's only child.  He passed suddenly twenty seven years and two days ago.  If you bought these in the mid- seventies it is certain that my then small fingers helped to create them.  

I hope that you have picked them up again and are enjoying them.  My Daddy loved making them and we had fun traveling to shows to play and sell.

 

 

Ariane
@ariane
09/27/19 02:52:11PM
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My first dulcimer arrangement


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I have just posted the corresponding youtube video to the arrangement so that you can hear how it should sound.

Ariane
@ariane
09/27/19 02:44:32PM
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My first dulcimer arrangement


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Please find my first notated arrangement for mountain dulcimer for:


"Do you know how many stars there are"

My arrangement can be downloaded from my website:

https://arianemusic.jimdofree.com/arrangements/mountain-dulcimer/

The fingerpicking part is starting around minute 1:42 in the video.

Text: Wilhelm Hey
Melody: folk tune
1837 published for the first time

I hope you enjoy (best listened to it with headphones) and wish you much fun for playing my arrangement.

I would be very happy to receive your feedback if the notation is working well for you.



Weißt Du wieviel Sternlein stehen_mountain dulcimer.pdf - 46KB
Banjimer
@greg-gunner
09/27/19 11:50:46AM
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There aren't many mountain dulcimer books written specifically for the Child Ballads.  Ralph Lee Smith's books are probably the closest thing to what you are seeking.  Smith has written books containing mountain dulcimer tablature for selected ballads from Cecil Sharp's English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians. Among Smith's books you will find Smoky Mountain Memories, Song Treasures of the Cumberland Mountains, Folk Songs of Old Virginia, Folk Songs of Old Kentucky, and Songs and Tunes of the Wilderness Road.  A number of Appalachian versions of the Child Ballads are included in Smith's books.

If you have the five Child Ballad books, you probably have only the words and not any musical arrangements since Child did not include music in his books.  If you want some musical arrangements, you will need to get The Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads by Bertrand Bronson.  It doesn't have any dulcimer tablature, but it does have musical arrangements for many of the Child Ballads.  However, be forewarned, Bronson's books do not include any mountain dulcimer tablature.  The arrangements will have to be rewritten in tablature or you will need to be able to play from standard notation.

As you explore the ballads further, you will find multiple melodies associated with the same lyrics, so if you are looking for a specific melody to accompany your singing, your best bet is to "figure out" the desired melody on the fretboard a few notes at a time until you have what you want.  If you do this I would suggest that you write it down in some fashion, perhaps in  dulcimer tablature and keep a notebook or file.

One thing complicating things for a beginner is the fact that many of the old ballads are sung in one of the ancient modes, rather than in a major key.  Modes can complicate things.  Fortunately, the mountain dulcimer accommodates the modes through a simple retuning of the melody string.  If you are trying to figure out a melody and the notes just don't seem to be there, you may have to retune the melody string and try one of the other modes.  At that point, it will benefit you to become familiar with modes and how to retune your dulcimer to enable you to play in alternative modes.

Since you appear to be a new mountain dulcimer enthusiast, you will probably benefit most from one or more of Ralph Lee Smith's books.  Good luck in your journey, and don't be afraid to return with more questions.  There are many dulcimer players on FOTMD ready to assist you.

truethomas
@truethomas
09/27/19 09:59:21AM
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Thanks Ken. I have been to the Sweetwoods website. His student website looks good. I have also looked at the cardboard Simplicity model. I would prefer 4 strings and a 6 1/2 fret, but I would still consider it. I am leaning toward getting a used dulcimer from an online auction. If I am patient,i could get a Folk craft or McSpadden for even less than a Simplicity.
I like the fact that I am not the only one with interest in the dulcimer for British trad. I'll have to get my five volumes of the Child Ballads out of storage. Do you know of any resources for playing that sort of material?
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/27/19 07:31:21AM
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Ken; his original post -- down at the bottom -- has photos which show a dulcimer made with a Howie Mitchell cut-away tailpiece and an arched fretboard, which the Poster calls the "scheitholt component" of his build.  

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/27/19 07:27:34AM
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Welcome truethomas!  I've been specializing in the Child Ballads and Scots/English traditional music on the dulcimer for most of 40 years.

Can't say I've heard of Thunderclap Drones dulcimers, and can't seem to find anything about them on-line, except a few sales blurbs on ebay and such; and one video that mostly should a lady struggling to open a shipping box.  What little I could find says made in the USA.  Not even a website for Thunderclap Drones, which in this day and age is not a particularly good sign.

For a first instrument, IMHO, you'd be better off with a Student model dulcimer from a known builder rather than an Ebay or Piccclik sales pitch from an unknown.  If price is an issue, a cardboard dulcimer is about $75, and they sound really good because the important part is how well the fretboard is made.  I recommend the Student model from Dave Lynch of Sweetwoods Dulcimers:  www.sweetwoodsinstruments.com  I've owned and played one for a number of years and find them perfect for those just starting out.

truethomas
@truethomas
09/27/19 02:35:22AM
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Thanks for the welcomes. I am looking for my first dulcimer,and will make a patient and careful choice.My main interest is English and Scottish traditional music, and the electric trad folk of the UK. I have sung their ballads for some time. I am also getting interested in Appalachian music.
Does anybody know anything about a dulcimer maker, ThunderClap Drones in Arkansas, and if they are still in business? Saw photos of one and loved it. Any opinions? Thanks in advance.
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/26/19 10:21:06PM
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I am confused by this conversation. Is there any possibility of some photos?

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/26/19 07:32:50PM
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"...that bridge pier design of the scheitholt component... "

Actually, we call that an arched fretboard.  It's not a "scheitholt component".   A scheitholt is a specific kind of trapezoidal zither found primarily in Pennsylvania, and its ancestors found in the Tyrol part of Austro-Germany.  A scheitholt does not sit on top of a sound body -- it is a distinctive musical instrument having integral frets, tuners, etc without a raised central fretboard.

Arching is one of two ways to lighten the mass of the fretboard; the other being hollowing the underside. 

Some epinettes (not scheitholtz) -- notably the Epinette des Vosges -- use a constructed fretboard on top of the sound box, instead of the solid fretboard board normally used today.  -- a top and two sides, with two end pieces -- to make it a closed box.

cbrown
@cbrown
09/26/19 12:20:00PM
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Well, I consider the project now complete!

 

I messed around a little with different bridge & nut heights and decided that was a dead end.  I considered frets of various kinds (I do like Randy's wood fret idea, and will keep that in mind for an upcoming project) but decided in the end to leave this dulcimer fretless.  I honestly think it was intended to be fretless, though that could be just wishful thinking. I've never seen an old dulcimer or pictures of old dulcimers or scheitholts or epinettes that are fretless.

 

A serendipitous discovery!  Whether by conscious design or perhaps other musical forces at work, that bridge pier design of the scheitholt component actually turns out to be a spectacular visual cue as to where to place one's noter or finger.

 

From the nut end, it's a whole step to the beginning of the first arch, a whole step to the end of the first arch, a half step to the beginning of the second arch, a whole step to the end of that arch and so forth. 

 

Mill Branch Dulcimores
@mill-branch-dulcimores
09/26/19 07:34:58AM
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I would think it is fixable. You're just gonna have to determine a way to put a dip in the fretboard instead of a hump.
Most dulcimers with a full length fretboard will keep relief, or a dip in the fretboard under tension due to string tension. The problem with this style fretboard is the partial length transfers the tension it's getting from the strings to the soundboard and sides and it will sometimes make the problem worse because the tension will tend to lift the rear end of the fretboard.
You'll likely need to pull the frets and use a hand plane or handheld sander to remove some material to make a dip, or some sandpaper and elbow grease and time.
Sam
@sam
09/26/19 05:45:03AM
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Not exactly a pet, but the response to my Monarch, Honeybee, hummer garden has been very rewarding. This beauty visited briefly yesterday.

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Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/25/19 06:12:57PM
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One basic string height setup that we often use is known as the Nickel & Dime technique. You can lower the strings even more, but this is a good place to start:

Place a dime next to the 1st fret and see how close the strings are to the coin.  Sand the bottom of the Nut until the strings just touch the dime. Now balance a nickel on top of the 7th fret, and check the height of the strings.  Sand the bottom of Bridge until the strings just touch the nickel.  

Salt Springs
@salt-springs
09/25/19 11:48:18AM
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If you have not done so, and it sounds like you are working through a learning curve, may I recommend you go to Bearmeadow.com and read through all of the building and adjustment tips and instructions that DW has posted..........it is great information and will help you a great deal.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/25/19 11:37:47AM
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Proedrick, the issue with the terminology is not a big deal.  If the strings sit on top of the box, the instrument is in the zither family (like the dulcimer or autoharp). If the strings extends past the box, we call that a neck, and the instrument is in the lute family (like a guitar or mandolin).  

In the picture you posted, the head of the dulcimer extends past the body, but the fretboard sits on the box itself, so technically it has no neck.  

Incidentally, this is one reason why purists don't consider stick dulcimers to be dulcimers. The "stick" is the neck of the instrument, so from an organological (fancy word, huh winky ) point of view, the instrument is in the lute family rather than the zither family regardless of whether it has a diatonic fretboard or not.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/25/19 11:29:27AM
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Hey Phroedrick, I guess you have to call this a time-consuming lesson. I have no knowledge of lutherie, so I would have no idea how to fix fret buzz. But when I've brough an instrument in to a shop for that reason, the luthiers always eyeball the fretboard first, looking to see how flat it is.  I would think that actually working with the frets would be the last adjustment to make. I'm sure it's been frustrating for you.

And hey, River City Dulcimers is meeting this Saturday in Roseville if you want to make a drive.  I know it's a schlep, but you'll have folks to commiserate with. You're more than welcome to join us.

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/25/19 10:45:52AM
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David, your Sheba is very sweet looking!  kittydance

We have a kitty named Sheba too!- she's a brown tabby. We usually call her by her silly nickname, Boo Boo. 

Strumelia
@strumelia
09/25/19 10:37:18AM
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Phroe...  I'm thinking you'll eventually have to make a decision whether to continue putting in your time and expense to make this a dulcimer that is enjoyable to play . Sometimes we just have to let an instrument-fixing project go and chalk it up to good learning experience. But only you can decide where that point might be in your personal scale of pros and cons. You might opt to keep this instrument as a good one for hauling around to campouts or trips without having to worry about it like you would with a more expensive dulcimer. Or it may be the instrument that prompted you to make one from scratch. Or it may be the one that caused you to go out and try some dulcimers made by known and respected makers. You have lots of choices as to how to see this and what to do next.  But I think your attitude has been real positive through this experience.  yes

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/25/19 07:22:35AM
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Point of terminology, Phroedrick --- dulcimers do not have necks.  Dulcimers have fretboards, with or without fingerboards.  Necks extend beyond the soundbody, fretboards do not.    Also, dulcimers seldom have a saddle.  The vast majority have a bridge set on fretboard, or in a slot in the fretboard; even dulcimers with dis-continuous fretboards seldom have a saddle.  Instead they use a banjo or violin style tall bridge.

In your discussion you mention both fretboard straightness, and bow.  Dulcimer fretboards, especially old dulcimer fretboards, were often made with a distinct bow from say 3rd fret to 12th or thereabouts.  The bow is/was intended to accommodate the elliptical nature of vibrating strings, being deepest near the 7th fret and shallowest at either end.


updated by @ken-hulme: 09/25/19 07:27:38AM
Redmando
@redmando
09/24/19 08:12:29AM
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Conversation with Tony Gillam


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Robin Thompson:

Thanks for this interview-- I had familiarity with neither Tony nor his music!  Also, Tony mentions Kim Lowings and I know she has been a member here at FOTMD though am not sure whether she still has a page here or not.  The Appalachian dulcimer is alive and well far from the Appalachians!  :)  

It is still quite an unusual instrument to see and hear in the UK @robin-thompson , but we are trying hard to get it heard!

 

Ariane
@ariane
09/24/19 06:51:52AM
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Online Advent Calendar


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Hi Jim - this is a good choice! It will be YOUR song... smiler

Jim Fawcett
@jim-fawcett
09/24/19 06:36:59AM
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I'm thinking of doing "Good Christian Friends, Rejoice". Is anyone doing that one, Ariane?

Ariane
@ariane
09/24/19 05:51:58AM
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Yes, Ken, we are 27 participants now joyjoy - so I can prolong or add at least to New Year or if there will be more even to Epiphany.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/23/19 11:13:55PM
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How about adding a 12 days of Christmas to the end of Advent.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song,'

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/23/19 03:46:17PM
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If what you bought is a Hughes dulcimer, there are no parts available and haven't been for decades; you'll just have to make your own nut and bridge.  A long shot is that you might find a long un-assembled Hughes kit on Ebay, or an assembled one you can scavage for parts.  

Banjimer
@greg-gunner
09/23/19 02:05:58PM
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Geoffrey Johnson worked for the Hughes Dulcimer Company in Colorado.  Here's a link to a picture of him and someone else with a dulcimer and another under construction, which I assume may  be one he made for the Hughes Dulcimer Company.  Hughes Dulcimer Company was owned by Virgil Hughes.

https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/do-it-yourself-dulcimers-geoffrey-johnson-of-hughes-news-photo/161884278?adppopup=true

From the picture and caption it appears Johnson sold Hughes dulcimer kits and conducted workshops where the kits were assembled.


updated by @greg-gunner: 09/23/19 02:09:45PM
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
09/23/19 12:24:05PM
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Conversation with Tony Gillam


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Thanks for this interview-- I had familiarity with neither Tony nor his music!  Also, Tony mentions Kim Lowings and I know she has been a member here at FOTMD though am not sure whether she still has a page here or not.  The Appalachian dulcimer is alive and well far from the Appalachians!  :)  


updated by @robin-thompson: 09/23/19 12:24:52PM
Ariane
@ariane
09/23/19 07:29:55AM
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Online Advent Calendar


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Hi Jim,

we are now 25 participants - but I can imagine that there will be some more who are interested in joining in - so that I might be able to prolong the calendar with an "between the years" calendar from Dec 25 respectively Dec 26 until New Year nod

Or if there will be another 24 participants I could do a second advent calendar which I could post each in two different places, for example one here on fotmd and one in the dulcimer facebook groups.

So I am looking forward to receiving the link of your youtube video (by preference) or soundcloud audio.

I very much appreciate that you will participate.

 

Jim Fawcett
@jim-fawcett
09/23/19 06:57:16AM
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Is there still room for me to add to the Advent Calendar, Ariane?

 

Ariane
@ariane
09/23/19 03:11:28AM
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Hi Ken, this hymn is a very good choice - I like it very much.

If you like you could do a youtube video either that one can see you playing or with a filmed winter/advent scene or with winter/advent photo(s) - of course you could also send me the link to a soundcloud audio - just as you like to.

IRENE
@irene
09/22/19 11:29:09PM
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I've just spent the last hour viewing Randy's youtube videos.   And he plays those babies hard....and those frets last 8 years?   wow.  I'd like to learn more about this way of making frets.   I like the staple frets that Dan puts on his dulcimers too.  It would be cool to try different kinds.  I love what I learn here!!!   aloha, irene

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/22/19 09:08:21PM
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I have one of Randy's dulcimers and I can attest to the fact that the wood (toothpick) frets hold up under noter playing.

Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/22/19 03:58:10PM
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Okay, Ariane. I am thinking of recording "O Lord, How Shall I Meet You." The tune is Wie Soll Ich Dich Empfangen in our Lutheran Hymnal.

I can record it in Garageband and then up it to Soundcloud.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

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