You know your dulcimer has a hold on you when...

Strumelia
Strumelia
@strumelia
one week ago
1,749 posts

Don you wrote me about this a week ago or so, and I responded, but never heard back from you. Can you tell us an example of a particular group you belong to that you have this issue with?  At least then I can check that you already belong to the group, and start from there in helping you.

Also, as I asked you prior:  when you have this issue of not being able to access a group you are a member of... are you sure you are LOGGED IN on the site when you try to access the group?  I ask this because any person who is online looking at fotmd.com would be able to see the site and many of the site pages... but they would not be able to see the content of groups unless they were logged into the site.  If you see your NAME in the top right hand link bar, then you are logged IN.  You should check that because what you describe sounds like that may be what's going on.  To see the contents of any Group you are a member of, you need to be LOGGED IN to the site.




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Those irritated by grain of sand best avoid beach.
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Dusty Turtle
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
one week ago
1,206 posts

@Don-Grundy, Ken is correct. You do not have to sign into a Group once you've joined it.  I would also like to point out that we have a Forum specifically for Site Questions . Feel free to peruse the existing conversations there or start another one of your own if you have any questions.  If we all use that Forum for site-related questions it becomes a great resource for others.




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Dusty T., Northern California
Site Moderator

As a musician, you have to keep one foot back in the past and one foot forward into the future.
-- Dizzy Gillespie
Ken Hulme
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
one week ago
1,697 posts

Don -- once you're a Group member, you don't "sign on" to that group.  You'll find the Groups you are a member of listed under your name when you hover over it with the cursor.

Rain Dog
Rain Dog
@rain-dog
one week ago
14 posts
I actually use my thumb to pick (pluck) as well. Either middle on base forefinger on middle string and thumb on melody or ring on base middle on middle and forefinger on melody. I've been experimenting with tuning the double melody strings in fifths, so I'm currently tuned base C mid G and melody g and c. So I play cgc with my fingers and cgg if I use my thumb.
Don Grundy
Don Grundy
@don-grundy
one week ago
135 posts
I belong to several groups and am unable to sign on to any of them. Please help.
Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
one week ago
31 posts

Well crud and other sayings of a simular nature...looks like I stand corrected, huh?

However, I am a thumb, index, middle finger picker. That leaves out the thumb brace for me. More like resting the ring and pinky next to the fret board.

Rain Dog
Rain Dog
@rain-dog
one week ago
14 posts

But as to pulling up on the strings? I would be afraid there might be a chance of the string 'slapping' the frets if string was pulled hard enough.

From Jean Ritchie's Dulcimer Book: "Brace the thumb of the right hand against the side of the fingerboard near the right hand end. Play, with a slight lifting or plucking motion, the melody string and second string with the forefinger, and the third string with the middle finger." Also The Best Dulcimer Method - Yet, (the only Dulcimer book I've seen in the past 40 years) repeats "Play with a slight lift in plucking motion." As far as string buzzing it hasn't been a problem, but my action is a little high. Not nickel and dime, more like a buck and a half.

Didn't know how to post that original quote.

Also sorry it took two weeks to respond, but, life..

 


updated by @rain-dog: 02/17/20 08:51:12AM
LisavB
LisavB
@lisavb
3 weeks ago
18 posts

Will do (check out the group).  I've seen Jessica Comeau's videos.  I have her book, and she says she usually uses bare fingers but also sometimes uses those fingerpick things.  That woman is from another planet, such beautiful playing!

Dusty Turtle
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
3 weeks ago
1,206 posts

@LisavB, I second @Ferrator's suggestion below.  There is a whole group here at FOTMD solely devoted to Fingerpicking . Why not join, peruse some of the conversations and maybe start one of your own?




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Dusty T., Northern California
Site Moderator

As a musician, you have to keep one foot back in the past and one foot forward into the future.
-- Dizzy Gillespie

updated by @dusty-turtle: 02/03/20 03:44:07AM
LisavB
LisavB
@lisavb
3 weeks ago
18 posts

That's one of the things I love about the dulcimer.  It looks like a relatively simple instrument, but there are seemingly endless layers to playing it.  Your various answers sure prove that!

I checked out videos for both Ms. Brockinton and Ms. Zanetti.  Wow. That is the sound I'm looking for--it is a bit more subtle than with the pick, but the notes still ring out/articulate beautifully.  I think I need to get more up on the fingertip, try some snap and perhaps some nail.  The way I was doing it was dulling the sound.  I'd like to also fingerpick on my guitar.

Don Grundy
Don Grundy
@don-grundy
3 weeks ago
135 posts
Welcome to the world of no hard rules. It’s spectacular!
Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
3 weeks ago
31 posts

To Dusty's point: Aye, more mellow it is. Dull? THAT might also be come down to the 'how' of the way you play, eh? also, to Dusty. Watch some Jessica Comeau YouTubes, especially the close ups. I would swear that she does NOT have nails, but the sound is a bright as any I have heard.

"Dull" my furry tusche...pft

I also suggest looking into the fingerpicking discussions at this site. There have got to be as many ways to fingerpick as there are ways to make a curry.

But as to pulling up on the strings? I would be afraid there might be a chance of the string 'slapping' the frets if string was pulled hard enough.

Just for the heck of it, I went looking. Finally used the 'site search' for 'fingerpicking'. HAWT DOGGIES!!! My screen lit up like I was signalling the Mothership! Meet ya there! Looks like I will be doing a lot of reading of my own now.

So, Lisa? Are y'all completely cornfuzzled yet?


updated by @ferrator: 02/02/20 12:17:07PM
Rain Dog
Rain Dog
@rain-dog
3 weeks ago
14 posts
Although I don't have much experience, compared to others. I kind of pull up on the strings with my fingertips (no nails). It gives the strings a little snap.
Dusty Turtle
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
3 weeks ago
1,206 posts

For the record, many (check out Linda Brockinton and Nina Zanetti for the best examples) fingerpick without using their nails, just using the skin of the fingertips.  That makes for a more mellow tone. (OK, you can call it "dull" but I find it soft and expressive.)




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Dusty T., Northern California
Site Moderator

As a musician, you have to keep one foot back in the past and one foot forward into the future.
-- Dizzy Gillespie

updated by @dusty-turtle: 02/01/20 06:16:41PM
Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
3 weeks ago
31 posts

Yup, you got it. As to length, up to you and what works, as they say.

I have been ALL over the place. Rapiers that can slice veggies to just the barest bit of a nail that barely nips the string on the way by. The long ones can also tend to make the notes a lot 'sharper', while the shorter ones can make only a barely noticeable difference.

There is just NO objective answer to that. You have to come up with what works. And THAT means a lot of practice.

I have arrived at a place that has nails long enough to give the string a decent  "clip" on the way by. So much for length...

While it is a nice vanity point to have a point in the middle of the finger. I have found that (for me) it is best for my nails to be a bit off center. ~LOL~ It is a great conversation starter '...is there something wrong with your fingers...?'...

I would like to be able to dispense some Sage Wisdom here, but it is all going to come down to a single thing. Practice. Lot's and lot's of practice...

LisavB
LisavB
@lisavb
4 weeks ago
18 posts

@ferrator, I tend to slide my thumb, too.  Got a small callus on the side so far, near the nail.  I would love to fingerpick.  I use a pick, not noter.  What's the trick?  Leave right-hand nails just a little longer and orient the fingers to use the nails against the strings?  The finger per se leaves such a dull sound...

Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
one month ago
31 posts

@lisavb  I fingerpick. Exclusively. I was taught to play by fingerpicking. While playing chords and all, I have the habit of anchoring the ring finger on the treble string. But even though I to not use a noter, I use the side of my thumb for sliding on the treble. As a result, I have a gray to black stripe in the side of my thumb and a wee notch in the side of my thumbnail.

Ayup, I know what you mean, having nothing that NEEDS to be done and being able to be a couch potato. But yeah, it is a bit different when that is forced on you by the weather. Come summer, here in sunny Phoenix and the temps go over 110 for days, even a couple of weeks at a time, going outside is not usually one of the options available to us.

LisavB
LisavB
@lisavb
one month ago
18 posts

This thread is cracking me up, too!  @ferrator, how did you acquire the "callus stripe"?  Just years of use, or some specific event not unlike a frying pan?  

We were trapped for several days last week with snow and ice.  Not a huge amount of snow, but the ice...  This is a bad place for snow (Seattle and suburbs), with all the hills and bridges.  And our street is not maintained by the city, so it's dig, dig, dig.  I used to live in Minnesota--at least it's built for snow there.  

Love days where I have nowhere I must go and can hang around the house and do what I enjoy--like today.  I do not love days where I *can't* get out.  That just scares me.

Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
one month ago
31 posts

@irene I understand what it is like to have your ability to get out and about hampered by the weather. Shouldn't be much longer though before you will be back church and making music! :) 

A Joyous noise, eh? :)

Here, in the desert, we have been having what passes for winter with temps at or below freezing. This is just NOT something we are prepared for.

Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
one month ago
31 posts

@irene  You are one good egg! It is a joy to swap posts with you! :)

30 harps? I have been considering building a harp! A smaller, travelling style, Troubador (?) type of folk harp. But in a studio apt. with no access to a decent workspace, I am at a loss at to how to do that, if at all. Any suggestions?

As it is I am still finishing a Kantele, but the lack of space is hampering that.

Rain Dog
Rain Dog
@rain-dog
one month ago
14 posts
@irene I'm using a piece of one of those credit cards as the nut on my dulcimer. Where would we be, if our credit wasn't so good?
IRENE
IRENE
@irene
one month ago
140 posts

While I smiled writing the last post....on a more serious note (pun intended)..........I thought of the reasons to go to Church for me.  Leading the singing for a congregation is a sure JOY and being with friends and hearing words taught in sincerity and Love of our Savior.   To keep me from getting callous's of the heart, to partake of the Sacrament and renew my covenants is the real reason I love to attend Sabbath Day Meetings.  So go to church folks where ever you live....and don't get callous's on the heart.   aloha, irene

IRENE
IRENE
@irene
one month ago
140 posts

Oh, how I needed such a good laughing post here.  "fess up Irene.........."   It's been a hard day in that I can't go outside.   Already a 1/2 inch covers my car of ice and no can open the door.  It's now 10 degrees....wind chill is blowing to the max................ So that means no church going for now 2ed Sunday in a row.   bummers.   Oh yes, I've got plunty to do at home....reading and playing music...but meeting with my friends at Church and leading the music there is a joy.  

Okay, I'll "fess up".  I've made 55 harps........all nylon stung.  No need to get callouses for playing these.  One thing that appealed to me about the mountain dulcimer....30? some years ago...NOTER AND DRONE....that's how I play...no need callouses to play this way.  I play with  a triangle pick with my right hand.  I've used various other picks, but go back to the triangle one I can get at the music store.   I've cut up credit card sends....they make great picks.  

someday someone reading this may need this info.   If you get stung by a centipede or any bad bug bite....bees and wasps....Urine can take away most of the pain.   Hawaii learned 

Thanks Ferrator for your question.  aloha, irene

Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
one month ago
31 posts

Fess up Irene... How did YOU get all callous...er...get the callouses on your fingers?

IRENE
IRENE
@irene
one month ago
140 posts

THIS THREAD CRACKS ME UP LAUGHING. 

Salt Springs
Salt Springs
@salt-springs
one month ago
181 posts

Go to rock-tips.com and buy a bottle, it works.  Check it out.

Rain Dog
Rain Dog
@rain-dog
one month ago
14 posts
Also, pressing on your finger pads with your nails helps build callouses when you're not playing.
Dusty Turtle
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
one month ago
1,206 posts

If playing a lot is not your way of developing calluses, you might try soaking your fingertips in vinegar.  Old school baseball players used to urinate on their hands to toughen up the skin, but if you use that method, please don't play any of my instruments, thank you. shake  




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Dusty T., Northern California
Site Moderator

As a musician, you have to keep one foot back in the past and one foot forward into the future.
-- Dizzy Gillespie
Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
one month ago
31 posts

Oh yeah, it IS harsh. But it is attributed to some hard core jazz musician. Sort of urban legend territory.

~LOL~ But I know about the callouses. Then there is the gray stripe on my left thumb. (That is my "noter" so to speak)

LisavB
LisavB
@lisavb
one month ago
18 posts

The iron skillet trick--now that is harsh.  I'm starting to feel calluses building on my left fingertips from playing the guitar I got last month.  Already sacrificed my long nails for the dulcimer a year ago...

Rain Dog
Rain Dog
@rain-dog
one month ago
14 posts
@ferrator I think I'll pass on iron skillet trick. I did have a neighbor tell me, when I young to rub my fingertips on a frosty window.
Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
one month ago
31 posts

Just think of the nice callous you are going to have! I know I am still working on mine. ~L~ That and a nice stripe on the left thumb.

Beats the heck out of the most hardcore callous builder I ever heard of:

Heat up an iron skillet to around 400° then put your fingertips on it. Pretty nasty for several days, but it builds a pretty decent 'playing' callous...

Old jazz musician trick (alledgedly)

~cringe~

Rain Dog
Rain Dog
@rain-dog
one month ago
14 posts
@lisavb. Thanks for putting that in my mind. Now I've sliced my fretting forefinger peeling potatoes. Of course I didn't have any "new skin" and couldn't stay away from my dulcimer so I've ended up ripping off the loose skin. Okay, good time to start building up my thumb.
Don Grundy
Don Grundy
@don-grundy
2 months ago
135 posts
Gimme a call. My wife is right. I have at least two lifetimes supplies of most of the materials and hooks.
Ferrator
Ferrator
@ferrator
2 months ago
31 posts

I tried tying flies once. Damn things just will NOT hold still. It is as calming and Zen as herding cats.

LisavB
LisavB
@lisavb
2 months ago
18 posts

YOWZA!  Vicious table saw!  I'm doing much better already.  I tend to heal fast, and now I have a nice coating of NewSkin on there.  That stuff is great!  It did not sting, probably partly due to the fact that it was no longer a fresh wound, and also b/c I found a formula that also claimed to have a topical analgesic in it.  

John C. Knopf
John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
2 months ago
204 posts

That's right!  You know, table saws are bad for damaging your fingers or hands.  The tips of my thumb and forefinger on my right hand went through "an aggressive change" over a year ago due to my table saw.  Things healed very nicely, thank God, but the sensitivity is gone somewhat.  It's harder to pick up small objects now, but I'm thankful that the injuries weren't much worse.

You'll be fine after a while, I'm sure.

LisavB
LisavB
@lisavb
2 months ago
18 posts

LOL! I'm on the computer a lot for work, and I am very, very swift at typing.  That first morning, I had a really clumsy/hasty attempt at a bandage and so the finger was knocking into other keys when I typed.  Annoying!  Slimmed down the bandage and got my speed back.  But no way could I have fretted with that tip.  Best to not damage ones hands in the first place! winky

Robin Thompson
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
2 months ago
1,046 posts

I understand!  I have different problems with my hands.  Other than pulling up my pants and brushing my teeth, mountain dulcimer is the big consideration when something happens with my hands. :) 




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Robin T
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Keep a song in your heart!
Don Grundy
Don Grundy
@don-grundy
2 months ago
135 posts
At 72 my hands are really important. My Zen moments are playing my dulcimers and harmonicas and tying flies.
IRENE
IRENE
@irene
2 months ago
140 posts

sorry about the "slice" but the rest of these posts are a crack up.  Yep, I have counted it a blessing when I did a number on my right and said, "well, I can still strum, so it's okay."   aloha, irene

LisavB
LisavB
@lisavb
2 months ago
18 posts

Thanks!  I'm going to get some of that skin glue.  The slice is on a really difficult spot to try to bandage.  If anyone would understand or know what to do, it's you all!

Susie
Susie
@susie
2 months ago
356 posts

I think the very same way, since beginning my music journey in 1973. smile I hate it when a injury interferes with my playing guitar or dulcimer. I truly feel blessed as long as I can play.

Dusty Turtle
Dusty Turtle
@dusty-turtle
2 months ago
1,206 posts

I hope you heal quickly.  The Liquid Skin stuff that Ken recommends is awesome.  It seals like super glue but it is also antiseptic, so it keeps things clean. It is especially useful on parts of the hand that move a lot.




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Dusty T., Northern California
Site Moderator

As a musician, you have to keep one foot back in the past and one foot forward into the future.
-- Dizzy Gillespie
Don Grundy
Don Grundy
@don-grundy
2 months ago
135 posts
My wife; the art teacher has always used super glue.
Ken Hulme
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
2 months ago
1,697 posts

I recommend Liquid Skin or NuSkin.  Burns like anything at first but protects cut fingers reaaaally well and helps them heal faster.

Don Grundy
Don Grundy
@don-grundy
2 months ago
135 posts
Every day is a gift: celebrate.
LisavB
LisavB
@lisavb
2 months ago
18 posts

So I was getting ready for work yesterday, and then I sliced the tip of my ring finger on the edge of a crisp file folder.  Sliced it real good.  Amid frantically trying to stop the bleeding so I could get out and make my bus, I thought to myself, thank heavens it's not on my fretting hand.  

You know that dulcimer's got a grip on you when you start thinking like that!

Not only that, I recently bought a lovely black Fender acoustic guitar for when I want "all the notes."  Trying to learn that as well.  

Can't disappoint my stringed friends by not being able to play!