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Jim Yates
@jim-yates
01/10/25 10:17:09PM
67 posts

Hammered Dulcimer EXR


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When I was hitchhiking in Ireland in the late sixties, I was picked up by this guy and taken to a fleadh cheoil in New Ross. When I got into the car he asked, "Are you goin' to the fleadh?"

I said, "What's a fleadh?" He explained and I said,"Yes, I'm goin' to the fleadh."

He asked me if I knew what a dulcimer was.  I said that yes, I had recordings of Jean Ritchie and Richard Farina.  It soon became clear that we were talking about two entirely different dulcimers. He pulled the car over and took out his dulcimer and played me a few tunes.




Andy Dowling, (pronounced Doolin) was one of the more memorable characters that I met on my trip. We spent the whole day together. I took this photo in a parking lot in New Ross of Andy playing his hammered dulcimer. I had never seen, nor even heard of a hammered dulcimer before this.

That's the case of the dulcimer by the trunk (or boot as Andy would say) of his car.


A bit of Googling reveals that Christy Burns said, in her excellent thesis, of Andy:

"Andy Dowling lived in Clonmeen, Errill, County Laois until 1991 when he died at the age of 92. Many knew him for his dulcimer playing, as he was always active in the local traditional music events and organizations.

Before receiving his first dulcimer, which was purchased in Dublin by his brother, Andy was a fiddler. He admits to giving up the fiddle in favour of playing the dulcimer.

In an interview with David Kettlewell in 1976, Andy said, “You want to be playing an instrument all the time, that's the way it is with music... it becomes part of your life; 'twas never like that with the fiddle...”

Much like John Rea in Co. Antrim, Andy Dowling was pleased to appear frequently in public with his dulcimer. He would play at parties, fleadhs, and also played on both RTÉ and BBC radio. The movie, “Lock Up Your Daughters,” was filmed in Kilkenny and featured Andy with his dulcimer. By the time Andy passed away in 1991, his dulcimer playing had developed such a reputation that it seemed perfectly appropriate to have dulcimer music at his funeral."




The fleadh cheoil in New Ross was a trad music festival that took over the whole town. There were fiddles, flutes, concertinas, accordions and bodhrans in every pub, church, school house and street corner. I didn't see one guitar.


This ranks right up there as one of the best days of my life. Andy told me so many stories and played me so many songs.  I went to see "Lock Up Your Daughters" three times. It wasn't a fabulous movie, but I loved seeing the townsfolk dancing in a circle around Andy and his dulcimer in the closing scene.













May be an image of 1 person and drill press














A couple of decades later I married a hammered dulcimer player. 
Maggie and me at the Gore's Landing Community Hall 
May be an image of 2 people, flute and harp





Jim Yates
@jim-yates
01/10/25 09:54:13PM
67 posts

Balalaika, the most Russianist of Russian instruments


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My brother Bob has a yard sale balalaika that he got a few decades ago.  Since he had no idea how to play or tune it and he got it before everyone had Google, he tuned it like the first string courses of his mandolin.  He figured that not many fiddle tunes utilized the 4th string anyway and he was right.

Bob's Balalaika

Nate
@nate
01/10/25 05:25:28PM
392 posts

Any body have an idea what this is ?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Mick McLaughlin:

 I was never convinced about any heritage as a mountain dulcimer. I believe to was better related to some of the dulcimers European cousins such as Epinette des Vosges or Hummels

 

It can be really confusing to navigate all of the European zithers and their nuances. The huge variety of different styles of dulcimer can make it difficult to parse through. While stylistically the instrument resembles some European predecessors, functionally it is much more similar to an Appalachian dulcimer than to any other instrument.

Glad to hear the instrument found a home, it sounds like it may have needed some maintenance before playing. Out of curiosity, since this post is several years old, do you still play dulcimer?
-Nate
Nate
@nate
01/10/25 05:06:09PM
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Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I have heard, and tend to generally accept similar things. I almost never play in the second octave unless it's with a noter, and the frets have to be so dang precise when they're that close together, so I often just don't bother adding many extras to it. 9/10 times if I need an extra fret it's either for chord strumming, or because a tab used it, so in either case I don't usually need it an octave higher. 

I do find it especially odd that the second octave *does* have a 10.5 fret but no 8.5 fret. I would think that the 8.5 would be much more useful if you were to pick only one of the two.


updated by @nate: 01/10/25 05:11:30PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
01/10/25 04:32:55PM
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Any body have an idea what this is ?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

@nate, I've seen well known luthiers do that in the past... only adding extra frets on the first octave, when building a new dulcimer. Like you, I thought it was odd. One time I asked and was told that most players don't play up in the second octave anyway, and also that it was tricky to get accurate tones on frets when they are so close together. Or some such explanation.

Nate
@nate
01/10/25 04:22:51PM
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Kind of funny to see the 1.5 and 3.5 on the first octave, but no 1.5 fret on the second octave (8.5 fret). It makes me wonder if the extra frets were added after construction. In the past i have sometimes added half frets for specific arrangements, and Im usually too lazy to also add the fret to the second octave. 


updated by @nate: 01/10/25 04:26:30PM
Mick McLaughlin
@mick-mclaughlin
01/10/25 11:30:41AM
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Hi @jim-yates thanks for post. I puzzled for quite a time over that instrument. Finally I concluded that it was definitely homemade despite some fine detailing and I was never convinced about any heritage as a mountain dulcimer. I believe to was better related to some of the dulcimers European cousins such as Epinette des Vosges or Hummels

It had a slight curvature to the very thin fretboard  which made it quite difficult to set up. But it was great for playing the blues !!

In the end I sold it on eBay and doubled my moneysun I got no complaints from the purchaser which I took to mean he is a better musician than me.

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
01/10/25 09:49:53AM
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That looks almost like a full-chromatic fret pattern.   It would be hard for me to play without the more familiar diatonic pattern.  Hope you can have some musical fun with it!

Jim Yates
@jim-yates
01/10/25 09:06:55AM
67 posts

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Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Sorry, I see there is no edit option.  My second paragraph should have been:

Traditional dulcimers are fretted diatonically.  If "W" is "whole tone" and "H" is "half tone", from the nut it would be:
W W H W W H W W W H . . .   To play an Ionian scale, you would start on the 3rd fret.

Jim Yates
@jim-yates
01/10/25 09:02:57AM
67 posts

Any body have an idea what this is ?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

It's a little late to be adding to this thread, but I was surprised that no one had mentioned the way Mick's dulcimer is fretted.
Traditional dulcimers are fretted diatonically.  If, f "W" is "whole tone" and "H" is "half tone", from the nut it would be: W W H W W H W W W H . . .   To play an Ionian scale, you would start on the 3rd fret.
Since the seventies, most modern dulcimers have an added fret (6+) making the frets:
W W H W W H H H W W H . . .
Folks have started adding frets as they need them and I have even seen dulcimers fretted completely chromatically.
Mick's dulcimer seems to be fretted: W H H H H H W H H H W W H H H W H H H
Can anyone see the reason for this?

Orvilina
@orvilina
01/09/25 02:06:11PM
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Anyone here from UK?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I'm Scotland based and whilst there's an awful lot of cool spots for folk, I rarely find a place where I come across a dulcimer and wow do I miss that sound of sweet music. Anyone else UK based and find they came across dulcimer players once in a blue moon, even in the folk scene?

Nate
@nate
01/08/25 08:35:35PM
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String vibrates


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Im really glad you mentioned camera and light source angle Ken. That is definitely what i was failing to consider. I guess if the camera and light source were both directly above the instrument, the shadow would move much less

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/08/25 06:58:32PM
1,232 posts

String vibrates


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I think it is an optical illusion created by the shadow and camera angle. With different lighting, especially no glare, and camera directly above the fret board I'm sure you would get a better look at the strings.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Nate
@nate
01/08/25 05:23:22PM
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String vibrates


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Id really love to know more about this. I've seen Bing do it in a few videos and I just can't wrap my head around it. I believe it is due to the interaction between the vibration of the string and the cameras frame rate, but visually, the shadow seems to move a lot further than the actual string does. Is the bass string actually moving over the edge of the fingerboard, or is this some type of optical illusion?


updated by @nate: 01/08/25 05:23:46PM
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/08/25 12:58:46PM
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Wanted: info on my dulcimer


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Following up on John's reply (again), you might join the UK and European Dulcimers Group, and ask if anyone is looking for a dulcimer. John and Paul Crocker are active in the British dulcimer community. John is a member here as John Henry. Paul is also a member here as Paul Crocker. I'm sure there are some folks in Great Britain who would enjoy having an older FolkRoots dulcimer. Best wishes on finding it a. new home.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

John Pettreemusic
@john-petry
01/08/25 11:19:37AM
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Jonnyd....Sorry to have digressed on your initial post...But I hope it gives you a small glimpse into this community that is FOTMD. This site is filled with folks like Ken that are passionate and more than willing to help you in all things Dulcimer. [and quite a bit more if you ask...]

  I just happened to notice that you and your D50-S are located across the pond. This brings your sale to a whole new level, as I have absolutely no idea as to the supply/demand in the UK. I DO know that the shipping of a Dulcimer [or Aeolian harp] to the UK from these hallowed shores is easily in the $100 range, and then there are the VAT and customs fees. Seems like we Americans always focus on English taxes....

  I have only been part of FOTMD for a year [happy anniversary to me]... But perhaps Ken or some of the Veterans know how to find or join groups in the UK? To perhaps find what your market is?

john

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/08/25 09:56:39AM
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John Petry:

No time like today to get a youngster involved!

 

I agree, John. The two used FolkRoots dulcimers I bought are doing just that. I look for inexpensive dulcimers that I can rehabilitate which our dulcimer group can put the hands or on the laps of folks who want to learn to play the mountain dulcimer. After a few months of playing those folks usually ask if they can buy the dulcimer they've been playing. As the lending instruments are purchased by students, I start looking to restock the herd.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Lilley Pad
@lilley-pad
01/08/25 06:07:32AM
42 posts

String vibrates


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Bing Futch 342

I happened to be surfing the internet Looking for the tab for Black Mountain rag. And came across this video. what I find really interesting about it is that the way the camera is set up and the lighting you can actually see the bass string vibrating amazing just thought I'd post the link in case somebody was interested in seeing how much the bass string actually vibrates 

John Pettreemusic
@john-petry
01/07/25 02:09:57PM
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I may be just a bit cynical..[well maybe more than I should be...] But a New d-series at Folkcraft will set you back a thousand dollars. Is there something more than 2 frets I'm missing? Or is the workmanship 10x better now?

The used market is an interesting place...The "older" players I engage with seem to lean towards more frets, newer builders, and tend to be more afflicted with DAS. Effectively hoarding the used instrument market....

The "newer" college age players, are leaning towards fewer frets, and traditional "revival" instruments. Perhaps there will yet be a new resurgence in the "old ways" that were new to us so many years ago...

I foresee a HUGE tidal wave of used instruments hitting the market in the next 10 years or so, as the heirs of the DAS folks wonder what to do with closets full of "somedays"....that need to be cleaned out.

No time like today to get a youngster involved!

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/07/25 12:55:38PM
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Wanted: info on my dulcimer


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If Howard Rugg sees this post he can help tell you about the dulcimer. From the information you provide it was completed on July, 26, 1988 and was the first one completed that day. The top is spruce and the body is walnut. It is in very good shape. Without a 6 1/2 fret is not as desirable to dulcimer players today. I would put it at the lower end of John's estimate. I've recently purchased a couple of similar D50s for $125 and $15O.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

John Pettreemusic
@john-petry
01/07/25 11:12:02AM
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Hello Jonnyd,

 If you give a quick web search for D 50 Dulcimer [I use duck duck go..] You'll find several old listings on the "REVERB" sale pages, and a bit of history of these instruments. Yours has a spruce top, and what I would consider a very nicely figured black walnut back, sides and headstock. The fret board top "may" be of some other wood, as I can't really tell from the picture. If not walnut, could be mahogany, rosewood or?

 Sale prices looked to be in the area of 3-500 [ish], But again, this depends on finding the right buyer, case, shipping etc. I would suggest that you take some time and peruse this site and the multiple forums....perhaps the best "buyer" could be some one that has never discovered in over 30 years just how much joy a dulcimer and the "community" around it can bring......

Best wishes for your New Year....

Nate
@nate
01/06/25 06:04:06PM
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Hello! Anyone know about Mawhee?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Very cool. Mawhee was the absolute first maker that I learned about, after trying to look up "walkabout and stick dulcimers" lol. Welcome to the forum. I hope your personal connection to the dulcimer grows into a lifetime of enjoyment.
-Nate

jonnyd
@jonnyd
01/06/25 12:27:44PM
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Hi,

I got myself a dulcimer more than 30 years ago and have finally decided to let it go, as i never gave it my full attention. I just want to make sure it goes to someone who will take good care of it. So I'd really like to know what woods it's made of and any other details about it so I can give any buyers honest information. 

Here are the details of my dulcimer. 

There’s a label inside: Rugg and Jackel Fok Roots Dulcimer

D-50 S 726881 

Approximate measurements are:

Length: 37”

Height: 3”

Width at widest point: 7¾”


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John Pettreemusic
@john-petry
01/06/25 11:10:18AM
51 posts

2024 Folkroots dulcimer hand made by Folkcraft. $890.00.


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

Yet another reason to take up the Didgeridoo......Sure is pretty though!


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Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/05/25 08:25:13PM
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Hello! Anyone know about Mawhee?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

My friend, Rob Lackey, had a Mawhee dulcimer. Here is a link to a YouTube video of him with the dulcimer playing Black Eyed Susie. Unfortunately, Rob died a little over a year ago so we can't ask him any more questions about his dulcimer.

You may already be aware of this video if you've done a search for John Mawhee on the internet.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

searchin for a walkin cane
@searchin-for-a-walkin-cane
01/05/25 06:44:39PM
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Hello! Anyone know about Mawhee?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I’m thrilled to join this community and connect with others who share a love for the dulcimer. I’ve recently rekindled my passion for this beautiful instrument, which has deep roots in my family’s history. I’m especially hoping to someday find a Mawhee dulcimer, a unique version of the instrument that my great great grandfather, John Mawhee, carved and played in the mid-1800s. He learned the craft from Cherokee traditions and carried it with him as a Union soldier during the Civil War. To me, owning or even learning more about one of his dulcimers would be an incredible way to honor that legacy and share it with my family.

I grew up hearing the dulcimer played by my great grandfather Bill Graves, who called it the “walking cane dulcimer.” He recorded his music with the Missouri Historical Society, and now—24 years after his passing—it’s surreal to hear his songs on Spotify. (He would have been so tickled by that!) Back in the day, our whole family was buying his CDs and gathering around as he played with a turkey quill. His children joined in with singing and guitar, and those memories of music at family reunions—at Grandma’s house with all my cousins—are some of my fondest.

Unfortunately, I never learned to play when they encouraged me to, and that’s a big regret. But now, I feel inspired to dive in, learn the instrument, and maybe continue the family tradition. The dulcimer’s sound, to me, feels like a family reunion—it brings back so much joy and nostalgia.

I’m hoping this group can help me find my way as I learn to play and possibly locate a Mawhee dulcimer. Where should I start? I’m also eager to learn more about dulcimer music, history, and techniques. My favorite song is “Turkey in the Straw (ha ha ha)” and I’d love to someday be able to play it just like my great grandfather did.

Thank you for welcoming me into this community—I’m looking forward to learning from you all and sharing in this wonderful tradition!


updated by @searchin-for-a-walkin-cane: 01/05/25 06:52:45PM
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/05/25 02:16:58PM
1,232 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

That's wonderful, Anne. Glad you enjoyed it and a lovely time. Have a great 2025.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Anne Bowman
@anne-bowman
01/05/25 12:45:10AM
59 posts

2024 Folkroots dulcimer hand made by Folkcraft. $890.00.


FOR SALE:instruments/music items/CDs/Wanted to Buy...

It's beautiful! I think about things like this and that $980US is a great price, but then realise that that would be $1,577.68AUD, before shipping...crying1

Anne Bowman
@anne-bowman
01/05/25 12:35:17AM
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What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Well, I worked on playing as ambient music...I haven't busked for a while, but  about 2 months ago I was busking at Aldi, and someone asked for my card. They asked if I'd be interested in playing for a Christmas gathering that they would be hosting. I confessed my lack of Christmas repertoire, and that I'd not done such thing before,but they said a couple of Chrissy pieces and just whatever else would be fine, and that they'd be in touch. Having heard this before, and not receiving any messages up until the weekend before Christmas, I was surprised to hear from them on the Saturday, apologising for the short notice, but saying they'd lost my card and only just found it, and wanting me for Monday night. Well, I went along, was made very welcome, had a lovely time and got paid as well. I guess busking can have extra benefits. Here's the lovely tree I was stationed beside.. I hope everyone had a lovely end of 2025 and happy, auspicious start to 2025.


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Anne Bowman
@anne-bowman
01/05/25 12:18:20AM
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What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Very true, Dusty. I hope you had a lovely Christmas and New Year.

Maddie Myers
@maddie-myers
01/01/25 12:43:06AM
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FOTMD needs your support


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Strumelia:

Maddie, thank you so much for donating to help keep us running.  Yes, that name is me. (I don't use my real name online when I can avoid it.)
Your donation was received!  love
(and thanks John, for clarifying)


My pleasure, Strumelia.  I wish I had thought to donate sooner.  I think it's a good thing you did to remind folks to help out.  As with many things in life, sometimes we need to be reminded yes .
Maddie Myers
@maddie-myers
01/01/25 12:38:33AM
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John C. Knopf:

Maddie, Lisa is her real name.  It's OK!

Thank you, John, for helping out here.  I've become leery of internet scams and hacks and wanted to be sure it was legitimate.  Blessings to you for a happy, prosperous and healthy new year.

Maddie

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/01/25 12:33:10AM
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Maddie, thank you so much for donating to help keep us running.  Yes, that name is me. (I don't use my real name online when I can avoid it.)
Your donation was received!  love
(and thanks John, for clarifying)

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
12/31/24 11:05:57PM
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Maddie, Lisa is her real name.  It's OK!

Maddie Myers
@maddie-myers
12/31/24 11:03:13PM
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What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Dusty Turtle:

When you work on a song, you get better at that song. But when you work on your technique, you get better at every song you play.

Very well said, Dusty!
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