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Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
08/22/16 08:17:15AM
297 posts

Tabor Pipe and Drum


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Coordinating the two instruments for a beginner is, I believe, the most difficult part to learning pipe and tabor.  Fitting the drum on your arm and holding a flute with one hand, well enough to cover the holes properly, is very trying in the beginning.

However, with a little practice, the ah ha moments begin.

Until my coordination improves, I am only practicing very simple songs like:

Mary had a little lamb,  Aunt Rhody, Cabbage song, and Twinkle Twinkle.   For me  the most fun I experience is just making up music and marching inside and outside of my home.  

Neighbors are seldom home and even if they were we are not very close.

My most stressing learning obstacle is arthritis in my hands and fingers.  But I do feel this is improving thanks to Strumelia, Lexie,  my wife, and meds.

Try it.......you may just like it.

 

 

 

Jim Yates
@jim-yates
08/22/16 12:23:22AM
68 posts

Tabor Pipe and Drum


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I had skipped over page two.  I just saw Lisa's video and was impressed.  I see that my homemade pipe & tabor are quite crude compared to the ones you guys have, but they'll do me for now.  Maybe I'll start working on the tune Lisa played.

Jim Yates
@jim-yates
08/21/16 11:53:09PM
68 posts

Tabor Pipe and Drum


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

 

I made a tabor pipe from a Generation D whistle about a decade ago and worked at it for a while, but it has been sitting in a crock of whistles in my music room for a few years now.  I got it out to tke these photos

I strted by inding the bit that would exactly fit the third hole from the bottom and , placing the whistle on a piece of scrap board, I drilled through the back of the whistle.  I then put a piece of masking tape over all but the bottom two holes and, voila, I had a workable tabor pipe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have a cheap 12 inch frame drum, with no snare, that I had intended using as a tabor drum.  You guys may have inspired me to have another go at it.
What tunes do you folks play on your pipe? 

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
08/21/16 11:29:25PM
1,551 posts

AppalAsia - mountain dulcimer, erhu, banjo


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Golly, I don't know about Jeff's instrument, Rob; you'd know better than I do.  I'm hoping to make it to the concert at Jerry Rockwell's fest yet may not know until last minute whether I'll get to go or not. 

Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
08/21/16 09:03:01PM
420 posts

AppalAsia - mountain dulcimer, erhu, banjo


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I'm going to wait and see if Jeff has any cds at SE Ohio.  Save the shipping  lol.  Can't wait to meet him.  Love players who play like he does using no extra frets.  In fact, is that an old Capritaurus he's playing?  Scroll over a "flat head" was something they used wasn't it?

 

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
08/21/16 05:19:31PM
1,551 posts

AppalAsia - mountain dulcimer, erhu, banjo


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I'm glad you ladies enjoyed seeing Appalasia!  I've ordered a cd.  :) 

Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
08/20/16 11:02:12PM
297 posts

Tabor Pipe and Drum


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Much too much money spent on harps, that never get played, except for a select few.

They are pretty to look at though.


updated by @terry-wilson: 08/22/16 08:17:48AM
Noah Aikens
@noah-aikens
08/20/16 03:22:00PM
33 posts

Tabor Pipe and Drum


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Why is it embarrassing to look in your harmonica drawer? I don't have a harmonica drawer -  they just lie all over the place!  But I do have a briefcase for gigging.

Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
08/20/16 03:13:57PM
297 posts

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Lisa, you being a mother hen is just fine.  I'll do it.

I was just telling my wife a few minutes ago, as we are driving from Florida back home to Georgia,  how much I miss practicing my instruments.  She is shopping at a Bealls outlet store, while I'm resting in the car.

Lisa, yes, you are nuts.   A real nut.  But be at peace, there are a lot of music nuts on this forum, including this Ole south Georgia boy.  It's almost embarrassing when I look in my harmonica drawer.  

Lisa!  I really love your video.

Lexie R Oakley
@lexie-r-oakley
08/20/16 12:21:53PM
229 posts

AppalAsia - mountain dulcimer, erhu, banjo


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This is a very wonderful threesom of musicians thanks for pointing this out to us Robin. I really enjoyed hearing them play.

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/19/16 09:51:35PM
2,403 posts

Tabor Pipe and Drum


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Terry, thanks!  As my fotmd "Tabor Pipe Buddy" I know you understand and know first hand about the wacky learning curve on this crazy instrument duo... krazy   Your moral support and feedback have helped keep me moving forward on this pipe & tabor project.

My mother hen kicks in:  Terry please keep your practice sessions very short - like maybe just 10 minutes for any one practice- I don't want you to aggravate your hand pain!

I couldn't resist and I have a couple of penny whistles coming in a day or two now as well.  Guess I'm just nuts but oh well.   I have to wait a month anyway before that tabor pipe maker gets back from his trip and then he can make me my second tabor pipe- a wooden one this time in high D probably.  Meanwhile I can continue on my plastic G tabor pipe & drum, and see if I can figure out these penny whistles as well.  I think the wait will do me good actually- it'll test my commitment. 

fun fun fun.....  blue flute   red drummer


updated by @strumelia: 08/19/16 10:00:46PM
hugssandi
@hugssandi
08/19/16 09:22:42PM
249 posts

AppalAsia - mountain dulcimer, erhu, banjo


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I love a dulcimer (of course), can't play but love a banjo, and I actually dream of an erhu (because of my K-drama love)!  ~this is amazing~  Thank you for sharing!!!!  Perfection!


updated by @hugssandi: 08/19/16 09:27:53PM
hugssandi
@hugssandi
08/19/16 05:18:23PM
249 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

OH so much to digest, and this is why I love all of you!  ~I will read and reread~  *THANK YOU!*

Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
08/19/16 02:50:27PM
297 posts

Tabor Pipe and Drum


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Lisa,

I just saw your video, seconds ago.  Wow!  I am so very proud of you.  I know how difficult this is, and I also know you have put some work into this madness.  

I've got to get home soon and get busy.

Hooray for Lisa.  Hooray,  hooray. 

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
08/19/16 01:26:48PM
1,847 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Sandi, as others have pointed out, you are actually asking several different questions here.  The answer to all of them, though, is repetition.

If you want to be able to play without staring at the fretboard, you need to play the same dulcimer--or at least one with the same VSL--all the time so that you get used to equating the difference between tones with a distance on the fretboard.   I would also suggest sliding more than normal because your ear will cue you when you're approaching the right note.  Although I can play my guitar without looking at the fretboard a whole bunch, I find it much harder on the dulcimer, where we jump around on the fretboard so much.  HOwever, if you are really at a campfire, the fire will provide plenty of light to see the fretboard.

I have to admit that I am not sure how to tell you to "memorize" tunes.  For me personally, by the time I know a song, I know the song, meaning I can play it without tablature.  I can't really "play" according to tablature but only use it to learn tunes. I am sure if you went measure-by-measure or phrase-by phrase through a song you could memorize it. But I would suggest changing the way you learn songs so that you can memorize them all (until you get as old as I am and start forgetting songs you used to know).

As Ken says, you have to really "know" a piece of music in order to play it without tab. That means getting it into your head. I heard a story of Linda Brockinton driving from Arkansas to Florida listening to the same rendition of the same song over and over.  She had to get the song in her head before she was able to play it on the dulcimer. Once I know what a song sounds like, I think about it's structure. Is it AABB?  ABC? or whatever.  Then I look for other common patterns.  Maybe it is a song generally played AABB with the both parts taking 8 measures.  Is each of those 8-measure sequences a single melodic line or actually two (which is often the case).  Now I have a song with four distinct phrases, and usually the second part of the A and the second part of the B will be similar, sometimes even identical.

I do all that analysis (which only takes a minute or two once you have th esong in your head) before even playing. But I find it's important to understand the structure of a song so you can remember where you are when you are playing. Once I start learning the song, I will indeed take one phrase at a time or even one measure if it's really hard.  And as others have said, repetition is the key.  My wife and daughter hate it when I learn a new tune because I play it dozens of times every day for many days in a row.  I often play nothing other than a song I am learning until I really have it down and "know" it, by which I mean I can play it with no tablature.

Of course, I sometimes forget tunes later on, but usually all that is needed is for someone to play or hum the beginning and then my memory kicks in.  Ken says he writes down the tab for the beginning of each tune for the same reason, I'm sure.

I don't know if any of this is helpful, but I would suggest not playing songs that you can't hum or whistle or sing.  Get it into your head first, and watch your fingers on the fetboard while you play. Then your eyes, ears, and fingers are all making connections between the differences in tone between two notes and the distances on the fretboard.

Noah Aikens
@noah-aikens
08/19/16 11:45:20AM
33 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


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Memorizing the melody is the easy part. Memorizing timing and lyrics is the extremely hard part for me.

Colleen Hailey
@colleen-hailey
08/19/16 11:33:44AM
67 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

The hard part is when you have a song half-memorized.  Then you play along from memory until about halfway through and end up frantically looking at the tab trying to figure out where you are.  Or, there's a really difficult section that you have practiced repeatedly and have finally gotten down, only to realize that you can never remember what comes next.  I've been playing for two years and only have 2 tunes memorized, though, of course, I haven't really put any effort into trying.

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
08/19/16 03:03:38AM
402 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Sandi, I see your question as addressing several issues, as well.

  • ...Being able to play without looking at your fretboard is about muscle memory.  It takes practice and at first you're missing notes all over the place...then you hit the right note or chord a lot of the time....then most of the time.  Start with songs that don't make giant leaps on the fretboard.  There's a reason why Boil 'Em Cabbage Down is a beginning tune!
  • Memorizing lyrics is really hard for me.  I'd have to go over it a gadzillion times, at least.
  • With memorizing the tune, I suggest you start with songs you already know and get good at playing those without tab.  I'm currently working on a list of tunes that I have in my head, adding more to the list as I think of them.  I'm up to about 125...and I only have on it the ones that come readily to mind...I'm not lookin through my books or files.  You can always start with songs you've known since childhood (Twinkle twinkle Little Star, Deck the Halls, Happy Birthday, etc.)  You may not want to PLAY all these on the dulcimer, but when you make the list, you may surprise yourself at how many tunes are already filed away in your brain!

I bought some mini lights that clip onto your cap or shirt collar.

hugssandi
@hugssandi
08/18/16 09:07:19PM
249 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


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Y'all are sooo amazing~thank you for sharing your wisdom with me!!!  I will continue on....

John Keane
@john-keane
08/18/16 07:19:38PM
181 posts



Patty from Virginia:

JK, Forgot about Possum Cafe, LOL. I just want to see you playing the tuba. I miss Carrie. Please tell her I said hi next time you speak with her. Thanks!

We talked to her last night and she is doing great.

 

John Keane
@john-keane
08/18/16 07:18:30PM
181 posts



Strumelia:

Lots of great info coming up here- thanks everyone!


 


I did order a couple of pennywhistles, since I'm learning the tabor pipe which seems to have a somewhat similar setup (in some ways).  Maybe taking on more than I can manage, but at least I won't go broke doing it.  dancetomato   flute


I really think that you will enjoy it!

 

Noah Aikens
@noah-aikens
08/18/16 06:41:50PM
33 posts



I just found this guy called Erik the flute maker . He makes great sounding whistles. But get this - A wooden saxophone!

Patty from Virginia
@patty-from-virginia
08/18/16 06:34:18PM
231 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

My daughter and I have been to a couple of campfire events. If it's done correctly and you are sitting near the fire (not too close) you should get enough ambient light to see the fret board. If you feel you will not be able to see, Ken's suggestion is a good one. As for me, as Ken said, repetition is the only way I can memorize a song. When I play it so much that I'm just about sick of it then I know I got it memorized. Take a line at a time. When you got that one down go on to the next adding line by line. You will be using muscle and mind memory to know where to place your fingers or noter if you play noter drone. 

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/18/16 06:33:05PM
2,403 posts



Lots of great info coming up here- thanks everyone!

I did order a couple of pennywhistles, since I'm learning the tabor pipe which seems to have a somewhat similar setup (in some ways).  Maybe taking on more than I can manage, but at least I won't go broke doing it.  dancetomato   flute

Patty from Virginia
@patty-from-virginia
08/18/16 06:14:20PM
231 posts



JK, Forgot about Possum Cafe, LOL. I just want to see you playing the tuba. I miss Carrie. Please tell her I said hi next time you speak with her. Thanks!

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/18/16 05:43:16PM
2,157 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Sandi -- go to a bookstore and look at those small LED reading lights which clip onto the book you're reading.  Like Lisa I can't play in the dark, and our new Open Mic location is kinda dark already.  I'm going to get one of those reading lights and see how it will work.


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hugssandi
@hugssandi
08/18/16 05:06:38PM
249 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Ken, you are right.  The one song I know well is the Constipated Bible one, but I worked it out myself.  The others I am learning are from TAB....

Strumelia, you bring up a good point.  I was thinking by campfirelight I'd be able to see my instrument...  HHHMMMMMm...  I am finding I do better after memorizing lyrics, but I have quite a hefty list I'm working on.  That could also be a piece of the puzzle~slow down and work on one at a time???

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
08/18/16 01:16:33PM
402 posts

Favorite picks made from unusual materials


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Noah Aikens:

now I play dulcimer either with a very thin dunlop nylon pick or my fingers. but when I play guitar I like to use dragon heart picks. But they cost 10 dollars and I lose picks alot.



Noah, the thin Dunlops (.38) made a huge difference in my ability to increase my playing speed--necessary for those lickety-split fiddle tunes.  The test strips have about the same flexibility, depending on how close to the end you hold it.  And I have 2 or 3 newly available ones every day!  thumbsup


 

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/18/16 01:13:47PM
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How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions


Sandi, I'm sensing two different issues in your question:

1) the ability to memorize how to play the tune with your fingers, and/or to memorize the lyrics,
and
2) the ability to play the music with your fingers if it's dark and you cannot see the fretboard at all.

 

I find it impossible to play either dulcimer or banjo in the dark without being able to see my fretboard at all...even if I have the tune memorized.  I think if I were playing solely chords on a guitar it might be easier and more automatic, but when playing melody notes that go all over the place it's proven to be more than I can handle when playing in dark campsites.  Some folks say you can get good at it by practicing at home with a blindfold etc, but that's something I myself am not going to devote practice time to.   This said, you might find you have few problems with playing in the dark, so you might want to experiment a bit with it.


updated by @strumelia: 08/18/16 01:15:21PM
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/18/16 12:49:00PM
2,157 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions


Words are poetry, mostly.  That makes them fairly easy to remember, because verses have internal rhymes.  Tunes are built from phrases.  Start with one, then add a second... a third, etc.  

My major tool is R E P E T I T I O N.    I play by ear.  So.  I listen to a song -- cassette, CD, Youtube, Midi track -- over, and over, and over, and over.  After 40 or 50 repetitions I'm pretty much able to whistle or hum the tune, and I whistle/hum along for another 40 or 50 repetitions.  Then, when I can sing/hum/whistle the tune without any glitches, I'm ready to sit down with my dulcimer, a pen and some paper, and start writing out the tab for the tune on the melody string.  The writing out of the melody tab numbers really fixes the tune in my head.  And after I've played the tune a dozen or so times, it's part of the repertoire in my head.  I write down the tune name and the tab for the first couple measures on my master list, and it's there.


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hugssandi
@hugssandi
08/18/16 12:10:55PM
249 posts

How do YOU memorize music?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

As I practice for the campfire I find that I am improving, but I would sure like to know many songs by heart.  I mean, it might be too dark to see the music!  Please share your methods for memorizing music with me.  TIA!


updated by @hugssandi: 02/18/20 11:35:24AM
Noah Aikens
@noah-aikens
08/18/16 11:09:33AM
33 posts

Favorite picks made from unusual materials


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

now I play dulcimer either with a very thin dunlop nylon pick or my fingers. but when I play guitar I like to use dragon heart picks. But they cost 10 dollars and I lose picks alot.

hugssandi
@hugssandi
08/18/16 10:56:31AM
249 posts

Favorite picks made from unusual materials


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I still love my Blue Bonnet Butter lids best (actually just posted about it on fb!), but I just heard of someone using bread tabs as picks.  I had never thought about that before...  And there's already a hole in the middle for a good grip!  

Strumelia
@strumelia
08/18/16 09:37:09AM
2,403 posts

Tabor Pipe and Drum


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Thanks friends!  
The people on this site are so great in encouraging beginners!  inlove

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/18/16 07:19:33AM
2,157 posts

Favorite picks made from unusual materials


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hmmm that  blood test strip is an interesting idea.  I'll have to give one of mine a try.  My unusual material is a pick I made several years ago from a slice of "vegetable ivory" (sometimes called Tagua nut) from the Ivory Nut  Palm native to the island of Pohnpei in the Federated States of Micronesia.  It's a bit smaller in area than a regular pick, and also much stiffer.  And, after years of use, has that wonderful "weathered ivory" look.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/18/16 07:10:45AM
2,157 posts

Tabor Pipe and Drum


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Lookin' -- and soundin' -- good Lisa.  You'll get that "pat your head and rub your belly" thing down pat any day now!

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
08/18/16 12:23:57AM
402 posts

Favorite picks made from unusual materials


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions


We know about the picks made from butter tub lids, old credit cards, etc., but maybe you have a favorite pick made from something you don't see others using.  Share your creativity!

I have two unusual favorites. One (which I've mentioned before) is a pack (block?) of Post-it flags....the older kind, made of paper, gummed together on one side.  This works great for when you want to play your dulcimer with your normal intensity, but don't want anyone other than you to hear what you're playing.  Just strum as you usually do; very little sound is produced...just enough so you can tell that you're getting the notes right...or not!

The other is a new favorite...a blood glucose test strip (use a new one if you're concerned about the used ones being a biohazard).  I use a Freestyle brand monitor and these little plastic strips--smaller and thinner than a collar stay--are the perfect pick for my new Little Mule soprano dulcimer made by Jim Fox.

What have you recycled into your pick pocket?


updated by @jan-potts: 10/27/19 12:02:25PM
John Keane
@john-keane
08/17/16 09:43:53PM
181 posts




Patty from Virginia:

John, if you and Karen play dulcimer with a tuba I would love to see that. Yes I would!!!happys


Check out the Possum Café sample.  http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/johnandkarenkeane

 


updated by @john-keane: 08/17/16 09:44:20PM
Patty from Virginia
@patty-from-virginia
08/17/16 08:51:33PM
231 posts



John, if you and Karen play dulcimer with a tuba I would love to see that. Yes I would!!!happys

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