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Stewart McCormick
@stewart-mccormick
09/07/16 07:14:29AM
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Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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Thank you all for the helpful responses! And Dan Goad, that video would be much appreciated! Last year when I took my pre-revival dulcimer to the local music shop to get strings changed, it was a little unsettling...  The 30 something yr. old instrument tech, in his favorite Pantera/Dimebag Darrel t-shirt, basically didn't know what he was looking at! And 30 minutes later I shelled out almost $30, but hey, it still plays a tune!

John Gribble
@john-gribble
09/07/16 04:47:50AM
124 posts

Loose back brace solutions


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Ooh, a spy camera! And maybe a robotic arm? I'm afraid my repair tools/toys aren't that hi-tech.  Laugh

Did you make any effort to clear out the old glue or somehow clamp the brace while the repair dried?

John Gribble
@john-gribble
09/07/16 02:43:18AM
124 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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I would not recommend the Grover pegs. I just took very similar pegs off an older instrument I bought used and replaced them with Pegheds. I'm very happy with the Pegheds. They work really well and look like traditional violin pegs. But it was a tricky installation. It took me several evenings to do the job properly. A violin repairperson should do it if you're not experienced working with tapered reamers, small files, super glue, and following directions very carefully.

 

Your wooden pegs are actually superior to the Grover "patent heads." Both hold their tension with friction. Wooden pegs need to be properly seated in their holes and sometimes need a little rosin, chalk, or peg dope to seat properly. Patent heads use a tension screw which often shakes loose or comes loose while tuning.

 

Aside from slipping, friction pegs of any sort are not as easy to tune as are geared heads. Getting the strings just right takes some practice and patience.

 

Geared pegs are easier to use. There are two types, planetary and guitar-type. Planetary gears (or "heads" or "pegs") are used on most banjos and some dulcimers. People like them because they are straight, like friction pegs but have a 4:1 gear ratio. That is, it takes four complete rotations of the knob for the shaft to rotate once. This makes fine tuning much easier. They don't require any screws. But they often require a spline notch or small hole for an anchor post, hidden under the gear housing. The disadvantages to planetary heads are cost (my Pegheds were $100), not as fine a gear ratio as guitar pegs, and the tension needs to be tightened occasionally, just like the patent heads. 

 

Guitar-type heads have gears at a right angle. That's why the buttons on a steel-stringed guitar stick out to the sides, while the buttons on a banjo don't. They can be mounted on the back of a solid peghead or on the side of a slotted peghead. 

 

There are two types, "open" or exposed-gear, and sealed-gear, in which the gears are sealed inside a casing with a lubricant. (Planetary tuners are also sealed with a lubricant.) Guitar-type tuners are made individually, like planetary pegs, or several mounted to a common  plate. The two big advantages of guitar tuners are cost and a higher gear ratio. A typical gear ratio is 12:1, twelve rotations of the knob to a singe rotation of the shaft. While this means changing strings may take longer, fine-tuning a string is much, much easier. Ratios have ranged from 8:1 to as high as 18:1. 

 

A complete set of serviceable import tuners can be had for as little as $10.00! Of course, prices go up from there.

 

Guitar tuners don't require much attention. A drop of oil on exposed gears every few years is about all the service they'll ever need. They are held in place with small screws. Sometimes the screws will loosen slightly and need to be snugged down. Sealed units (both guitar and planetary banjo types) also have threaded bushings which circle the string posts and screw into the housing from above. These help keep the unit in place and may need to be tightened slightly once in a while.

 

I think the main objection people have to guitar tuners is aesthetic. They don’t like the look. But my new Warren May came with gold-plated Grover Rotomatics, sealed guitar tuners. They work wonderfully and the gold against the walnut looks great.  Mr. May does retrofit geared tuners to his dulcimers. He also keeps all the old wooden pegs he replaces. I suspect he plans to build some more traditional-style instruments and he plans to recycle the old pegs.

 

Two of my dulcimers have wooden pegs and one of my fretless banjos has patent pegs. Everything else has gears or zither pins. The only one I had real problems with recently was the dulcimer with the Grover patent pegs. The Pegheds fixed that.

 


updated by @john-gribble: 09/07/16 02:48:09AM
Dan Goad
@dan-goad
09/07/16 12:51:29AM
155 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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The drops work for me and it lasts a good while as well.  I would like to hear Mr. May's reason for chalk only.  I've never heard that before.  I'm sure he has a good reason.  I've heard that rosin is good too but I've never used it either.

marg
@marg
09/07/16 12:33:27AM
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Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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Warren says to just use chalk not any of the peg drops. I have a small Warren May 'groundhog' with the wooden tuners, I can use chalk now but not sure what the other owner used or for how long. Most of the pegs do fine but i have one that is a problem, I was wondering if I should switch it around with one of the others, maybe over the years it got into the wrong slot.

marg
@marg
09/07/16 12:08:29AM
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Please share pics of your homemade dulcimer bags and cases


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Kyodan Yago Mat Bag - I just happen to see it at Marshalls. Only as tall as the W. of a mat


updated by @marg: 09/07/16 12:11:40AM
Jan Potts
@jan-potts
09/06/16 11:19:05PM
403 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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Stewart, I had that same conundrum several years ago (more than 20!), since my first real wooden dulcimer was made by Warren May and, after awhile,  I wanted geared tuners like it seemed everyone else had (even though I only played it about once a year).  My solution was to buy a second Warren May dulcimer--one that had the 6.5 fret and geared tuners!  That may not be your solution.  You may want to consider shipping it to Warren and having him change out the pegs...he'll do it "for a price" (don't know what that would be these days) and you could be sure the job would be done right!

 

Dan Goad
@dan-goad
09/06/16 10:50:57PM
155 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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I've been thinking of replacing the wound bass string on my Thomas repro to a plain steel string.  I may try to put together a video of the process.

Stewart McCormick
@stewart-mccormick
09/06/16 10:26:45PM
65 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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Ok so, I get the purity of keeping the original tuners in place, and I do love the thing, so selling it is out of the question. But sometimes it takes a good 5 minutes to get it in unison! The local guitar guys are metal heads so I don't know if I trust them for maintenance or advice... Also, maybe if one of you more knowledgeable members have time, a tutorial on string changing with pegs would help us newbies! Do you tie the string around the shafts of the peg, similar to tying a knot on a nylon string guitar?

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/06/16 10:02:23PM
1,355 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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The Grover Sta-Tites that you are looking at are mechanical friction pegs just like your wood tuning pegs. I did not check the dimensions of the pegs, but you would need to make sure your holes are small enough to accept the new turners. Frankly those pegs would not be a great improvement over Warren's tuning pegs. I had one break last year. I sent Warren the peg. He repaired it and send it back to me along with a new peg at no cost to me. That's great service. I put the new peg in and it works fine. If you were to use Pegheds you would have to make sure you the size of the holes in order to get the correct size tuners.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Dan Goad
@dan-goad
09/06/16 09:53:06PM
155 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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 I currently have 5 dulcimers with wooden pegs.  It's a fairly simple process once you get used to it. I use Regal Peg Drips from Regal Music Co, in Ely, MN.  I've had a 2oz bottle ($5.00) for about 5 years and still have approx 90% remaining in the bottle.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/06/16 09:40:52PM
2,157 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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In all all honesty, I would not change out the tuners.  You will be seriously impacting the re-sale value of the dulcimer.

The best thing to do is learn to live with and use the original tuners.  It really isn't hard.  You can get fine tuners that will allow you to dial in a tuning once you're close with the pegs.  

There really is no sure-fire solution.  There are Pegheds and Knilling/Perfection geared tuners which look like wooden pegs, but there is a better than 50% chance they will not fit the existing holes in your dulcimer.  If you enlarge the holes you'll never be able to use the original tuners again.

If you absolutely can't stand the dulcimer because of its wooden tuning pegs, IMHO you should seriously consider selling the instrument before your consider changing out the pegs to something else.

Dan Goad
@dan-goad
09/06/16 09:36:48PM
155 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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Is there an issue with the rosewood pegs (broken, worn out)?  If you are looking to replace them with mechanical tuners, I'm not sure if any are available that don't require screws with the exception of Precision Pegs.  I'ml sure that some of our dulcimer making members will be able to answer that.  Changing to mechanical tuners will probably reduce the value of your Warren May original.

Stewart McCormick
@stewart-mccormick
09/06/16 09:06:35PM
65 posts

Changing tuners on a Warren May dulcimer.


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Hello,hope everyone had a good Labor Day! I was thinking of changing the tuners on my Warren May, but I don't want to put screw holes or alter the instrument. Is that possible? Any tuner suggestions?
updated by @stewart-mccormick: 07/31/23 11:13:15PM
Frank Ross
@frank-ross
09/06/16 06:30:03PM
32 posts

Loose back brace solutions


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I just had that problem last month. I had a brace loosen under the sound board near the middle of the dulcimer. The lose end would make a cracking noise when playing around the 7th fret. I had heart shaped holes so I could actually get a small camera and a long shrink tube with a wire backbone to get the glue to the spot.


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Colleen Hailey
@colleen-hailey
09/06/16 03:08:08PM
67 posts

Flight of the Naked Dulcimer


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What a nice story!  I have a Sparrow dulcimer that I have successfully taken on planes wrapped in hiking socks and stuffed under my seat.  When I got nervous about the cushioning abilities of the socks, I switched to a soft ukelele case.

marg
@marg
09/06/16 01:04:38PM
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Please share pics of your homemade dulcimer bags and cases


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(I never even heard of a yoga mat bag until I read Marg's post!)

Ha, me either and to think the bag was also padded. 

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/06/16 12:15:19PM
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Please share pics of your homemade dulcimer bags and cases


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Wow!   What an assortment of bags, fabrics, colors and prices!  Who'd a thunk it?  I never even heard of a yoga mat bag until I read Marg's post!

marg
@marg
09/06/16 12:00:18PM
624 posts

Please share pics of your homemade dulcimer bags and cases


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I wish I could say, I had made mine but I didn't. I thought of just getting a table runner and folding over and sewing up the sides. My (new for me dulcimer) is a slander rectangle, so would move around too much in a standard dulcimer bag or case. I went looking for something, maybe a heavy duty laundry bag but ended up with something I had not even thought of,   so funny - 'A yoga mat bag'  


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Monica
@monica
09/06/16 09:04:51AM
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Please share pics of your homemade dulcimer bags and cases


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I made this bag for the Seagull Merlin, this was the instrument that introduced me to the Mountain dulcimer. It is now a wall hanging.


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Annie Deeley
@annie-deeley
09/05/16 08:48:57PM
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Please share pics of your homemade dulcimer bags and cases


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Thanks, Ken and Jennifer, I passed that on to the maker. I thought I'd be in search of a hard case, until I read Irene's post! 

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/05/16 05:01:39PM
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Annie, that's very pretty. What a nice dulcimer bag!

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

 

Jim Yates
@jim-yates
09/05/16 04:38:31PM
68 posts

Oddities hanging on your walls


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Our back room has an old foundry mold (I have no idea what the product was.) with a carved rosewood elephant sitting on it. 
Maggie said, "Jim, you're not going to take a picture of that thing before you wipe the dust off." 

Sorry Maggie.

Annie Deeley
@annie-deeley
09/05/16 03:59:21PM
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Sorry, there they are now...looks like I can't spell today, either!😉

Annie Deeley
@annie-deeley
09/05/16 03:57:09PM
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Ok, so that didn't work I guess....or can others ee them? A.

Annie Deeley
@annie-deeley
09/05/16 03:51:15PM
49 posts

Please share pics of your homemade dulcimer bags and cases


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Will try to post some pics of the dulcimer bag Melody made for me. I love to kayak, so the top is green for the pines on shore; the bottom is blue for the water. Lining covered with musical notes. 2 little pockets for noter and picks. She had bought the batik fabrics a few years ago...prettiest gift ever. Crazy quilt style, she says. To luck me, it's a work of art. 


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paulscottrobson
@paulscottrobson
09/05/16 11:29:38AM
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Introduce Yourself!


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I'm new as well, have just bought my first MD after thinking about it for ages, having tinkered with a Strumstick type device. At the moment still at the "Go and tell Aunt Nancy" (what you folks across the water call "Go tell Aunt Rhody" ... we have an extra half-beat on you there ....)

It's a small world, I'm from Norfolk, England as well. I'm semi retired now ; I used to teach children with Special Needs (of varying types .....) and I now write Computer Software occasionally, contract work. 

I'm currently working on a (free definitely open source probably) visual TAB player for Dulcimers to help me learn, basically you feed TAB and/or Chords into it plus some timing data and it plays it back at you showing the TAB,  you can change the speed etc. If you've ever used Yousician, a bit like that, except there's no audio detection of what you're playing. 

 

 

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
09/04/16 08:34:27PM
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Here are two photos of the case I built for the first dulcimer I made.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

 


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updated by @ken-longfield: 09/04/16 08:35:18PM
hugssandi
@hugssandi
09/04/16 03:59:50PM
249 posts

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Sooo...  I haven't finished!  I never lined it and must get to work before my new (dulcimer) baby arrives!!!!!

John Gribble
@john-gribble
09/04/16 02:41:59PM
124 posts

Loose back brace solutions


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Thank you, Matt. Those cross braces seem to me to be more a construction aid, helping to keep the shape, than a source of strength. 

Joseph Buchanan
@buck-buchanan
09/03/16 02:45:48PM
3 posts

Tennessee Fall Homcoming


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Is anyone from FOTMD planning on going to the Tennessee Fall Homecoming at the museum of Appalachia this year???

Lexie R Oakley
@lexie-r-oakley
09/03/16 01:51:19PM
229 posts

Back up rhythm devices


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BlackDog, seems the foot stomper would be easy to come up with on your own, it is a good idea. Lisa I do like the tambo on the shoe thing too. gangnam1

Matt Berg
@matt-berg
09/03/16 08:22:49AM
107 posts

Loose back brace solutions


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John,  yea, most braces on mountain dulcimers are like bicycles for fish.  If you can safely take them out through the sound holes it is probably a good idea.  If the brace needs to stay, I usually drill a small hole in the back and glue in a dowel plug when done.  The guys at Folkcraft have done some cool work with laser cutting figures to glue in the holes after fixing, but that requires a good laser cutter.

 

If you are working on a baritone or bass dulcimer, carefully consider before removing the brace.  The larger sound board may need them.  Also consider the choice carefully if the soundboard is spruce, cedar or other softwood.  Those board may need the extra support.

 

PS. I am not your standard dulcimer maker and will probably put some people's backs up with my comment on bracing.  Conversely, I brace all of my instruments as I do not attach the fretboard to the soundboard.  To each their own. 


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Strumelia
@strumelia
09/03/16 06:39:12AM
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Introduce Yourself!


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We also have a dedicated Group here on FOTMD where UK members can stay updated on local events and make new friend and local jamming connections! :   http://fotmd.com/john-henry/group/41/uk-and-european-mountain-dulcimers    dancetomato   fiddle   jive

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