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Salt Springs
@salt-springs
06/03/16 12:14:36AM
215 posts

odd tuning problem


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Check your string positions in the scroll head if that is what you have..............Bass string to first tuner, middle string to second and so forth , avoid crossing them because they will pick up vibrations from the other strings.  Since you strum right handed I would go clockwise in this order with scroll head pointing left...........

first melody string to first tuner on bottom of scroll, second melody to top tuner on bottom of scroll, middle string to top tuner on far side, bass string to bottom tuner on far side.  use the lowest holes on the tuner pegs that will allow you to keep those strings from making big X's....keep the strings a straight as possible...........some folks will tell you it doesn't matter, but it does.

Patty from Virginia
@patty-from-virginia
06/02/16 10:03:27PM
231 posts

odd tuning problem


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If you have a dulcimer made by Walter Messick, I would stick with his recommendation on string gauges. I have one of his. I took the extra melody string off because I was splitting them with my finger. Other than that I've not had a problem with intonation. I do use an electronic tuner and tune each open string to either DAA or DAd. As of this moment it's tuned DAd. 

Strumelia
@strumelia
06/02/16 08:07:47PM
2,403 posts

odd tuning problem


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If you think you'll be tuning mostly to DAA or CGG, then it makes sense to get melody and middle strings that are all the same gauges.  However if you will mostly be tuning in DAd or CGc, then get the set with the middle string slightly heavier than the melody string (since it will be tuned lower than the middle string, not the same).

karlkleinpaste
@karlkleinpaste
06/02/16 07:27:10PM
2 posts

odd tuning problem


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Wow, there is life here, belatedly.

I re-strung the entire thing. Its scale length is 29".  I got a couple sets of strings from a local Guitar Center, specifically dulcimer strings by Martin & Co.; they're 3 @ .012 and 1 @ .022. Having just now looked again at the owner manual that Messick included, he recommends 2 @ .010, 1 @ .012, 1 @ .020w. So I suppose I should get a new set to match that.

I don't think the bridge has moved at all; there is no "give" to it.

Perhaps different, thinner strings will improve matters.  I'll see to it next week.

John W. McKinstry
@john-w-mckinstry
06/01/16 10:01:49PM
59 posts

Opinion on the best beginner books to start with


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Mike, I think it is great that you can try different sources.  One thing I would like to point out about Anne Lough's book is that she plays noter style. My students and I play with our fingers and we are free, however, to choose our own fingering.  I suggest to my students in D A A that they start with the ring finger on do and then use the middle finger for re and the index finger for fa.  Going up the scale use the index finger and then going down the scale reverse everything. The high do is the index finger, ti is the middle finger and la is the ring finger and using this same ring finger now  end up eventually back on the 3rd fret do with the ring finger. Have fun. John

Terry Wilson
@terry-wilson
06/01/16 09:37:13PM
297 posts

Thoughts on Harmonicas


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

HI Bob

You are so welcome.  Hey, that was a nice piece of playing.   Love a good harp play.

Bob, it's nice to see someone besides me playing harp in a vehicle.  Almost 100% of my practice is while driving.  Fear not.  I'm not in your neck of the woods.

Best regards

Terry

 

Charles Thomas
@charles-thomas
06/01/16 09:05:04PM
77 posts

Thoughts on Harmonicas


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Bob, that was inspirational !! I'm going to start taking my harp to work! A dulcimer might be noticeable, but a harp....

Bob Reinsel
@bob-reinsel
06/01/16 08:37:11PM
80 posts

Thoughts on Harmonicas


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Hohner Piccolo. Hard times come again no more.

patriotic
@patriotic
06/01/16 03:50:22PM
7 posts

Opinion on the best beginner books to start with


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

John I found the book at Anne Lough's book on I guess her web site. Looks like I can order from her direct and will do so. Ken I've read your paper/book and it was very informative and a great thing for a new person to read for sure. Rob my musical background is that I love music. ha ha. Actually my father played guitar and Hammond Organ and my brother has played guitar since he was 12 in the early 50's. He's played all kinds of music but now mostly jazz and still plays professionally a couple times a week. I took organ lessons for awhile when I was 18, a long long time ago but the music school I was going to kept changing teachers on me and of course each teacher always wanted you to forget what the other teacher told you to learn his or her way. Got frustrated and Quit. My music taste is vast from oldies 60/s 70's to 1920's music, some 40's and some jazz. I also listen to some country. I listen to what I'm in the mood for. I have a place I go to in the mountains of Georgia and often over the years have visited the Bryson City NC area of the Blue Ridge. Love those mountains! I contacted a local Dulcimer group in the next city over and was advised that they tune in DAA and the coordinator suggested TK O'Briens Guide to playing Mountain Dulcimer, Fun with the Dulcimer and You can teach yourself Dulcimer by Madeline MacNeil. She also suggested "The Dulcimer book" by Jean Ritchie. At this point I'm sure not going to buy all of them, but I did order You can teach yourself Dulcimer by Madeline Macneil so far. Haven't got it yet but it should be here this week. Will probably also order what John suggested the Anne Lough's book too and see if I can get started with these first.  I really appreciate all the help.

 

Mike

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
06/01/16 02:55:42PM
1,847 posts




marymacgowan @strumelia , thanks for your feedback. I've taken great care that any poem I use is over 50 yrs old, which makes it available. As far as the song/tune issue, you are right that there is some gray area here, and yet, as Popeye said, I Yam What I Yam!

Mary, I think you have to be careful here. There is nothing in copyright laws that makes poems available after 50 years.  Except for special cases, anything before 1923 in is the public domain. But published and even unpublished works written after that date--whether or not they were registered with the copyright office--are most likely still under copyright.  You could certainly put a copyrighted poem to music and share it with your friends, but you couldn't post it here in an open forum online, for that would constitute illegal distribution.


Attached you can find some guidelines about copyright law.


copyrightterm and pd in the US January 2016.pdf - 525KB

updated by @dusty: 06/01/16 02:56:25PM
Strumelia
@strumelia
06/01/16 11:53:51AM
2,403 posts



That a creative work is over 50 years old does not mean it is public domain material.  Further research and confirmation is necessary for each author and even for each work.  Many deceased writers and musicians have some of their work in public domain and other work still under copyright because the rights were acquired or maintained by others.

Strumelia
@strumelia
06/01/16 11:06:09AM
2,403 posts



Definitions can be tricky.  When i think of a "tune" that means a melody or piece of music without words/lyrics, written by a composer/musician.  When I hear the term "song" I think of words set to music, written by a songwriter.  Thus, if someone says they 'wrote a song', most folks take that to mean they wrote/composed the lyrics and the melody.  When using work from literary authors, one should be careful in defining or describing the resulting product, and of course copyright status of the authors' work must be researched as well.


updated by @strumelia: 06/01/16 11:47:32AM
Bob Reinsel
@bob-reinsel
06/01/16 09:30:56AM
80 posts

Thoughts on Harmonicas


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Does anyone have any thoughts on the Hohner Puck? 

Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
05/31/16 07:28:27PM
420 posts

Opinion on the best beginner books to start with


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

I agree with Lisa G, In Search of the Wild Dulcimer is fantastic. What is your musical background?  Jerry Rockwell's Music Theory and Chord Reference for the Mountain Dulcimer is great, too.  I have said if I had to begin my dulcimer journey from the beginning, those would be the 2 books I'd get. In fact, a copy of In Search I found in a thrift shop in Washington state was what got me back into playing after laying off for about 10 years.

patriotic
@patriotic
05/31/16 07:15:27PM
7 posts

Opinion on the best beginner books to start with


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Thank you all for your reply. I too read Strumelia's blog and I think I've watched all her videos as well as many others on You Tube. I will also check out the books mentioned.

Black Dog Bess
@black-dog-bess
05/31/16 07:09:43PM
18 posts

Opinion on the best beginner books to start with


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

I can respond to this as I just spend some of the holiday weekend binge reading Strumelia's (member of FOTMD) blog from the very beginning. I have only had dulcimers for about 2 months and have had difficulty because I have small hands that do not do the chord stretches. Strumelia managed to make modes, different tunings, and different styles of play make sense to this bewildered beginner. What is really unique is her insight and comparison of noter style and chord style of play and the reasons for choosing DAA and DAD tunings. Add to this her excellent You Tube videos and you have a wonderful resource.

Thank you, Strumelia!    Barb

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
05/31/16 04:34:00PM
2,157 posts

Opinion on the best beginner books to start with


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

It's not a Tune Book, here's a revised edition of the piece I wrote several years ago called I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What?  It's an illustrated glossary of dulcimer terms (so we all know which bits we're talking about), plus answers to many beginner questions about tuning, playing, care and feeding of your new friend.

My favorite beginner book is long out of print, but still available, called The Dulcimer Book by Michael Murphy.

 


I Just Got A Dulcimer 2016.pdf - 1.1MB
Lisa Golladay
@lisa-golladay
05/31/16 03:10:01PM
109 posts

Opinion on the best beginner books to start with


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

The best book ever written for beginning dulcimer players is out of print (boo! sob!) but now available free on the internet because coauthor Robert Force is a great guy (hooray!)  You can read it online or download PDFs.  http://www.robertforce.com/SongsAndInstruction/ISWD-cover.html   I quite frankly refuse to help friends learn MD unless they first pledge to read this book and do what it says.  Once they do, they no longer need me :)

Check out Strumelia's beginner videos here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEDA7958CA5FC2EEA&feature=plcp

Even if your heart isn't into noter/drone style, it's a good way to start learning your way around the instrument. 

John W. McKinstry
@john-w-mckinstry
05/31/16 02:56:33PM
59 posts

Opinion on the best beginner books to start with


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

The best beginner book that I like is "Welcome to the Mountain Dulcimer: by Anne Lough. She covers D A A, D A C, and D A D. She also includes a C.D.. I have had five students use this book and all love it.  I, myself, often like to use the C.D. to play along with and at times to add harmony. I love her choices of tunes that are known by so many and seem to be dulcimer classics. The book is simple and basic and uncomplicated. And that is just the way I like it.

patriotic
@patriotic
05/31/16 10:47:49AM
7 posts

Opinion on the best beginner books to start with


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

I just was given a Dulcimer last week. It came with no books. Over the weekend I've been watching videos on You Tube and would like everyone's opinion on the best or must have books to get me started playing this thing.  I know that many of you started with all types of books, but if you had to start with one or two which one would you pick? Also has anyone started with Steven Siefert's "Dulcimer School" online and what were your experiences with that.  There is a local Dulcimer club in the nearby town, but I will not be able to get over to their sessions until August probably. Would like to get started on something before then. 


updated by @patriotic: 02/10/25 02:55:44AM
joe sanguinette
@joe-sanguinette
05/31/16 05:58:08AM
73 posts



alcohol will remove  the sticky residue on your fretboard

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
05/30/16 09:13:47PM
2,157 posts



We had a concept called Nickel & Dime to explain where a good action height begins on a dulcimer.  Put a dime next to a string at the 1st fret.  The string should just touch the top of the string. If it doesn't touch by more than 1-2mm, it's getting too high.   Balance a nickel on top of the 7th fret.  The string should just touch the nickel.  More than 1-2mm higher is getting to be too high for most players.

Action heights for ukes and other instruments are completely different.

Ben Barr Jr
@benjamin-w-barr-jr
05/30/16 01:57:52PM
64 posts



I know there could be a gadzillion possibilities, but one song title that I really like and think could be a good cover title is Barley Bread and Elder Wine.  That title from the first I saw it has a wonderful image to me.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
05/30/16 01:48:17PM
1,323 posts



That's a good starter instrument and well worth the $45 you spent. As long as it frets accurately and the action is not too high or low you should have a good time learning to play on it. As to the gumminess, I would soak a small area of a rag or paper towel with some Goo Gone and rub over the area that is sticky. I shouldn't harm the finish, but always test in a small inconspicuous place before doing large areas. Best wishes as you begin playing the mountain dulcimer.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Salt Springs
@salt-springs
05/29/16 10:54:26PM
215 posts




Yes.......Gaelic was a hobby of mine years ago.........but here's the deal........few ever speak it here or abroad and then you have the entire colloquial thing to deal with too.   So far as Carmichael's work is concerned, I did not imply that you should mine it, however..you would probably be amazed at the topical diversity that the Highlander's incorporated into their poetic side.   Some I recall of course are the standard blessings one would assume such as traveling mercies or thanksgivings for a good harvest or hunt...........but consider..........blessings for the warmth of fire, the stillness of water, coming of age or the flip side crone-ing as they would put it.    So I used to consider their participation in the entire movement of every aspect of life as a form of awareness and mystic perception. Remember a mystery is something once hidden, but now disclosed.

The other thing that I found, at least in my old version was how they related to death, grief and sorrow......a part of life and inevitable, not to be mourned, but merely an occasion for biding farewell to a dear one until another day and it goes on and on....

All that used to get my creative thinking going.......what would a song about warmth in the midst of bone chilling cold have for a lyric.......or what about a cool taste of water while harvesting a field, or what sort of greeting would you give a dear departed one should he or she appear in the minds eye or on a lonely highway or upon your arrival to the land wherein they reside?

I once held a Poetry reading after a hurricane in my Parish.  It was directed by a band of poets and writers that frequented that old church from time to time.......it was titled, "Mourning the Trees."  Most all of those poets were of Gaelic orientation and they sang, read, recited and granted wisdom to those who were still reeling from a nasty hurricane that really wrecked our Island years ago.   So here is an event that happened during that storm.........

The Sanctuary in my Parish was was built in the late 1800's and had a great high tower on it............the sides of that tower had six great openings covered with Bahama shutters.   The storm blew for 5 or 6 hours and since it had come up through Cuba it brought with it all sorts of birds, in fact thousands of brilliant tiny finches.........yellow, gold, green and blue.  The storm blew 100's them through the shutters and into the main part of the sanctuary.  When I opened the doors and huge windows, they flew round and round, like a giant tornado and headed out into the clear sky.  One came back flew around my head, looked me in the eye offered a tiny incantation and joined his fast scattering pals.

So as Lyric Poet, which is what you are..........how would an old Scott put that to verse and song?   Carmichael's highlanders would see a mystery in that..would it be a parting song, a thanksgiving bard or mourning greeting?  The average parish member I had saw no mystery, just wondered where they might have dumped and did they do any damage.   No awareness of life's mystery or the hidden blessings observation can reveal.

My old neighbor, a poet and song writer of genuine renown and immense popularity, said when he heard the story..........."Of course."  Bless him he's gone now........remember, the song, "A Boy Named Sue" or the book, "A Light in the Atttic."  He was one genius who captured it all and every time he presented an old tune or poem it had to be a fresh in the mind and heart as the day it was written ........I could go on, but, more than enough said..............

 

 


updated by @salt-springs: 05/29/16 11:07:25PM
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
05/29/16 10:43:46PM
2,157 posts



Niche Name:  New Traditional Anglo-Scottish ballads and songs

Some folks use the term Neo-Celtic but you are also doing New Traditional English as well...

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
05/29/16 10:40:06PM
2,157 posts



Welcome!  Can you tell us what kind of dulcimer you got?  You may be able to see a maker's label if you look through one of the sound holes.

Below is a recent revision of an article I wrote a few years ago, called I Just Got A Dulcimer. Now What?  It's an illustrated glossary of dulcimer terms, so we all mean the same things when we talk about the dulcimer; plus answers to many beginner questions about the tuning, playing, care and feeding of your new friend.


I Just Got A Dulcimer 2016.pdf - 1.1MB
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
05/29/16 10:35:39PM
2,157 posts



I once took a road trip with six guys in the car -- 3 Kens and 3 Jims.  Talk about confusing!  Apparently it was a popular name back in the 40s (that's 1940s mind you...).

Bryant Caruthers
@bryant-caruthers
05/29/16 10:17:51PM
2 posts



Welcome to the site!!!

Martha E
@martha-e
05/29/16 08:41:30PM
8 posts



Hello and welcome!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
05/29/16 07:47:55PM
1,847 posts



Hi Inkdork (do you have a lot of tattoos or something?) and welcome to FOTMD.  I think you'll find that you can play simple tunes on the dulcimer pretty quickly.  But it is also capable of very complicated music, so there are plenty of challenges ahead.  There are lots of resources here, so poke around the site, explore, and pose any questions you may have.

"A moment to learn and a lifetime to master"

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
05/29/16 07:36:45PM
1,551 posts

John E. Wood 1930-2015


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I am saddened to learn of John's passing. (I've missed him here at FOTMD.) It was both privilege and pleasure to meet John in '12 at the gathering from which Tom posted links.  He was a great musician and an even greater gentleman.  

Thank you for letting us know, Jan. 

Jim Fawcett
@jim-fawcett
05/29/16 07:20:25PM
85 posts

Have you met other FOTMD's in real life and become friends?


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Finally met Mike Vickey today. Bev and I were up that way and he took us through the vineyards that bordered his property. Looked for for arrow heads. Had a real nice visit.

John Keane
@john-keane
05/29/16 07:05:17PM
181 posts

John E. Wood 1930-2015


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I first met John Wood online here at FOTMD and later at the Homer Ledford festival in Kentucky in 2014.  We enjoyed a lengthy visit concerning FOTMD, NFL football, and whatever else we strayed off into.  He was a tremendously wonderful man, and I am greatly saddened to hear of his passing.

Jim Fawcett
@jim-fawcett
05/29/16 06:41:40PM
85 posts

John E. Wood 1930-2015


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So sorry to hear of John passing. I first met him at the noter drone jam that Tom talked about and when he came to the Wartz Gathering that Rob mentioned.  He was a very kind and giving person. 

Salt Springs
@salt-springs
05/29/16 03:49:42PM
215 posts



It was supposed to sound Dean Martin-ish and tacky. bananawave     

 

All kidding aside........if people ask what it is you do simply tell them your a Poet or if you prefer the Scottish word, "Makar".    I remember one of the great Scottish songstress-poets from grad school........."Mairi Mhor nan Oran" (Big Mary of the Songs).  Your not "Mhor" so I'll think of you as "Mairi Bheag nan Oran". (Little Mary of the Songs.  I suppose you could use the phrase Bardic Poet, but for classicists, the word "Bard" is not so hot...it was usually used as a term of derision until Robert Burns, if I remember cleaned it's usage up and made it more respectable.

You might also consider checking out Carmichael's, "Carmina Gadelica" if you have not already done so.   It is two volumes of very old ballads, chants, incantations, hymns, Psalms and blessings collected over decades throughout the highlands.  I used these volumes for years and years.  I believe you can find digital copies on the internet. My old ones with the steel engravings disappeared a few years back, imagine that.............anyway, it is a great source of material long forgotten by most and worthy of remembrance.

Anyway, have fun.........and do consider Scotch and Water, it takes the edge off...giggle2     I do really enjoy your work.  Keep it up.

 

Tom McDonald
@tom-mcdonald
05/29/16 03:30:30PM
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John E. Wood 1930-2015


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Done, Jan, and thank you for the idea. John came to the noter-drone jam in Ohio in 2012. He happened to live right in the area. He was real pleasure to be around, and a great musical talent too.

I posted two videos with John back then. I hope no one minds if I put links here too.

John's limberjack

Amazing Grace . John in on the right, closest to the camera.

Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
05/29/16 03:12:01PM
420 posts

John E. Wood 1930-2015


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John came to the 2nd Wartz'n'All Gathering.  It was a pleasure to meet him and have him with us, playing and singing.  I'm sorry he couldn't make it back down for more of them.  He'll be missed.

 

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