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Lilley Pad
@lilley-pad
04/06/24 11:46:29PM
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Chapman Stick


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I was cruising YouTube for some tab for the Dulcimer when I stumbled across this instrument called a Chapman stick played by a couple Mark White and Stefanie WOW what a beautiful sound,  just thought I would share. never heard of the instrument before.

Mark Gilston
@mark-gilston
04/06/24 05:21:46PM
11 posts

Tab Nonesuch on dulcimer


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Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/06/24 05:05:44PM
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Tab Nonesuch on dulcimer


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Hey LP.  I know Stephen Seifert has tab for it in his Join the Jam book, and I think I've seen @Mark-Gilston share tab for the tune as well. 

At the website dulcibertab.com, which compiles all the tab that used to be on the old Everything Dulcimer site, you can find the tune out of DAd with a capo at 1 .  I can't vouch for the quality of the arrangement, though.

Lilley Pad
@lilley-pad
04/06/24 04:48:39PM
67 posts

Tab Nonesuch on dulcimer


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"NONESUCH"

Hi kids any idea where to get the tab sheet music for a dulcimer song nonesuch?


updated by @lilley-pad: 04/06/24 05:16:45PM
RobMachin
@robmachin
04/05/24 01:51:55PM
10 posts

Introduce Yourself!


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rdmarble:

Hello all! I just joined the group so I thought I would let you know a little about me. I bought my first mountain dulcimer, a Cedar Creek, in Branson at Silver Dollar City back in 2007. I have played it off and on (more off than on) and have recently renewed my interest in the instrument. I added to my collection last year with a McSpadden walnut body/sycamore top with a Galax back, and I am spending more time exploring the instrument. After 20+ years as a Minister of Music and another 20+ years as a public school music educator (band director) I retired in 2021. Since then I have filled my time performing in several groups on multiple instruments - baritone saxophone in a jazz big band, woodwinds and percussion in the local symphony, drums/percussion in an Americana/Folk/Country band, keyboards at my church, and pretty much anywhere when asked. I am looking forward to the discussions on here and learning more about the mountain dulcimer. Have a great day!

 

Welcome @rdmarble !! Hope you enjoy the community here as much as I am :-)

rdmarble
@rdmarble
04/05/24 09:14:22AM
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Hello all! I just joined the group so I thought I would let you know a little about me. I bought my first mountain dulcimer, a Cedar Creek, in Branson at Silver Dollar City back in 2007. I have played it off and on (more off than on) and have recently renewed my interest in the instrument. I added to my collection last year with a McSpadden walnut body/sycamore top with a Galax back, and I am spending more time exploring the instrument. After 20+ years as a Minister of Music and another 20+ years as a public school music educator (band director) I retired in 2021. Since then I have filled my time performing in several groups on multiple instruments - baritone saxophone in a jazz big band, woodwinds and percussion in the local symphony, drums/percussion in an Americana/Folk/Country band, keyboards at my church, and pretty much anywhere when asked. I am looking forward to the discussions on here and learning more about the mountain dulcimer. Have a great day!

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
04/04/24 07:49:31PM
275 posts

What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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    Thought I’d add my observations to this discussion. I like to use the analogy of how we label automobiles.
    An SUV, a sports car, a sedan, a coupe, a minivan, a hot rod, a convertible, and an EV are all automobiles. Yet we use descriptive terms as those cited to further identify models with specific traits, shapes, and features.
    It is much the same with the Appalachian dulcimer.  We can say that the traditional dulcimer, the post-revival or transitional dulcimer, the modern dulcimer, the baritone dulcimer, the bass dulcimer, the chromatic dulcimer, and the electric or amplified dulcimer are all in the family of dulcimers. It is just that some who have a personal preference for the traditional dulcimer choose to use the descriptive term “dulcimore” based upon the traditional dulcimer’s history, style, features, and construction, differentiating it from the other styles of the dulcimers in the marketplace today. For those individuals, “dulcimore” describes a traditional style instrument with a pure diatonic scale, staple frets under the melody string, a light weight body of native woods, and a high silvery tone.
    When I refer to my instrument as a dulcimore, I want people to be able to envision its features, and not have to wonder if it has guitar style frets or a large body made of some exotic wood from Africa or what it sounds like.

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
04/04/24 03:52:49AM
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John Calkin Dulcimer


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bluesky636:

Thanks! Found him. I'll send him a message later today with the photos and serial number of my dulcimer. As it turns out, he is only about 35 miles from my home in Natural Bridge. Maybe I will be able to visit him.

I have a small collection of electric and acoustic guitars as well as cigar box guitars and violin (some of which I built myself). I also build all my own vacuum tube guitar amplifiers.

I have a BSEE from Virginia Tech earned when vacuum tubes were still part of the curriculum. I retired 4 years ago from my job as a Satellite Communications Systems Engineer contractor with the CIA. I worked in the Intelligence Community for 40+ years. My wife and I retired to Natural Bridge Virginia in 2019.

 

It sounds like you have a diverse and impressive collection of instruments, including some that you built yourself. Your expertise in building vacuum tube guitar amplifiers must be fascinating, especially with your background in electrical engineering.

StudentofRhythm
@studentofrhythm
04/02/24 11:53:13PM
20 posts

Bodhran (Irish Drum)


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It's fun to compare our environments and the trees that grow there.  I like using the wood that's local to my area, though if I got the chance to use exotics that would be fun.  I have a sister in Kansas and some day maybe I'll ask her if she can bring me an osage orange branch.

Marsha, I expect you don't have to worry about the head of your drum getting tight and clangy in the air there?  Out here the air's very dry, and I usually wet the head down some before I perform, and sometimes I can hear the pitch get higher as it dries out, while I'm playing it.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/02/24 07:17:22PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Thanks, @phil-myers, but I can't take credit for the tune.  I found a short fiddle demo of the tune online, with an indication that it was written by Susan Reid.  I found a few videos online of the Vermont Fiddle Orchestra playing songs by her, so I wrote a letter to her c/o the Vermont Fiddle Orchestra, and included the dulcimer tab I had created.  I heard back about a month later.  She gave me permission to teach the song to my dulcimer group and also to post it online.  It's a cute tune indeed, and fits perfectly on the dulcimer from the open middle string to the seventh fret of the melody string in a 1-5-8 tuning.

Phil Myers
@phil-myers
04/02/24 04:40:48PM
29 posts

International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Dusty, I'm a little late for IADD but that tune of yours works for any day! Love it!

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
04/02/24 11:55:27AM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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Thanks, Wally, I misunderstood you. I have Chet Hines' book and quite a few others books like it. I'm sad that I never met Patty Looman but I do have a few tabs Patty made for some of her workshops.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/02/24 11:31:04AM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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Dan:
Dusty Turtle: I think Ken's correct.  It's pretty clear that all those different spellings of what we now refer to as a dulcimer -- delcymore, delcimer, dulcimer, dulcimore, dulcymore -- reflect local or regional pronunciations of the word.  Especially among people with low literacy rates, few people would have seen the word in print, so there was nothing like a "standard" pronunciation.  In the same way that folk songs varied from one region to another, so would the pronunciation of a word vary.
 

Would doctors and educators be folks of low literacy? Why would they use the term "dulcimore"? 

 

Dan, I seem to have offended you, and for that I am sorry.  I do not consider "dulcimore" a "term" but rather a local pronunciation of the word whose spelling has now been standardized as "dulcimer." All those variants that I list above are clearly different local or regional pronunciations of the same word.  These pronunciations most likely developed in the late 19th century before free and compulsory education in most of the country, so spelling would not have been standardized. But all those variants were clearly referring to the same instrument.

It makes perfect sense that you use the term "dulcimore" for your traditional builds as a way to differentiate them from the modern dulcimers I play (with frets across the entire fretboard, large boxes for a guitar-like sound, extra frets, electronic pickups, etc.). But in 1890, when one person pronounced the word "dulcymore" and another in a nearby region said "delcimer," they were referring to the same instrument.


updated by @dusty: 04/02/24 11:31:43AM
Wally Venable
@wally-venable
04/02/24 09:16:04AM
131 posts

What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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Well, Bill did a lot to spread the "dulcimore" labels with his books and festivals. I wasn't trying to suggest that he originated it.

There is also "How to Make and Play the Dulcimore by Hines, Chet" from 1972 with several copies currently on eBay.. Again, I think, an attempt to create a trade identity. There were other other "how to make/play a dulcimer" books.

Our local (deceased) guru Patty Looman did an LP with "Dulcimore - Sweet Music" as the title, but that was the hammered variety, and dulcimer was used in the description. She was, by the way, a school teacher as well as a dulcimer teacher.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
04/02/24 08:54:24AM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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Dan, my comment about Thomas calling them dulcimers comes from a conversation I had with Mike Sloane. Also, both Ralph Lee Smith and Jean Ritchie refer to Thomas as making and selling in dulcimers. I think if he used another name for the instrument that would have appeared in their writings. If there is a specific reference to Uncle Ed using another name, I haven't seen it.

Wally, the name "dulcimore" appears in writing way before Bill Schilling started his club. I think Kimberly Burnette-Dean found that spelling in estate lists she found while researching dulcimer history in southern Virginia and western North Carolina.

Wally Venable
@wally-venable
04/02/24 08:34:08AM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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The label "dulcimore" is sometimes used in the manner of a brand or trade name - i.e. "Dulcimore Dan." His instruments are sold as Dulcimores and should be referred to as such.

Some responsibility might be placed on Bill Schilling and his friends. There are some very well educated and skilled people in that bunch. See the Dulci-More webpage https://www.dulcimore.org/

Dulci-More: Folk & Traditional Musicians is a club that started in January 1993, at the First United Methodist Church of Salem. The purposes of the club are to have fun with folk-style music and to share that music with others. The club meets at 7:00 pm on the first Tuesday and Third Tuesday (note: it was the third Wednesday until January, 2000) of each month just off the sanctuary by the Unity Classroom of the First United Methodist Church of Salem, 244 South Broadway, Salem, OH 44460 (see calendar link for summer meeting locations). All levels of acoustic instrumentalists and singers are always welcome at the meetings to jam, to learn, to listen, or to perform. Meetings are generally run as song circles with most songs or tunes chosen from the Dulci-More Public Domain Songbook with everyone joining in, .....

They are MORE than dulcimer players.

As I have said before, I think much of this confusion is probably from SPOKEN language being moved into print.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/02/24 08:34:06AM
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"Duckslammer, IIRC comes from a Tom & Missy Strothers ancedote about someone mis-hearing "dulcimer".

Dan
@dan
04/02/24 07:51:20AM
207 posts

What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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Dusty Turtle:

I think Ken's correct.  It's pretty clear that all those different spellings of what we now refer to as a dulcimer -- delcymore, delcimer, dulcimer, dulcimore, dulcymore -- reflect local or regional pronunciations of the word.  Especially among people with low literacy rates, few people would have seen the word in print, so there was nothing like a "standard" pronunciation.  In the same way that folk songs varied from one region to another, so would the pronunciation of a word vary.


As for dulciwhacker or duckslammer?  confusey


 

Would doctors and educators be folks of low literacy? Why would they use the term "dulcimore"? 

Dan
@dan
04/02/24 07:49:33AM
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What's the exact difference between a dulcimore and dulcimer


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Ken Longfield:

As far as I am concerned, there is no difference between a dulcimore and a dulcimer. They are different names for the same instrument. C.N. Prichard call the instruments he manufactured "The American Dulcimer." J. E. Thomas called the instrument he made a dulcimer. As to where the name originated, it is anybody's guess. One theory is that mountaineers familiar with the King James Bible new the list of instruments in Daniel. One instrument on that list was dulcimer. Since no one knew what a dulcimer was, they adopted the name for their instrument. (Biblical scholars think the instrument called "dulcimer" is really a reed instrument like a clarinet.) Strumelia already mention that the name may have derived from the Latin for sweet (dulce) and the Greek for sound or song (Melos). Who knows for sure? Pretty much all of the early scholarly literature and much of popular literature refers to the instrument as "dulcimer."

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

 

I've had the opportunity to go through my records and can't find the reference of Uncle Ed using the term "dulcimer". Please share your reference?

Strumelia
@strumelia
04/01/24 09:03:03PM
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Glad to hear your eye surgery is behind you, Ken!  coool
Those are two really wonderful dulcimers you have there. 🙌🏼

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/01/24 03:03:07PM
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Bodhran (Irish Drum)


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Mountain Mahogany does not grow east of Colorado.  It has a Janka hardness of about 3200 -- roughly the same as the Ebonies.  Makes great noters, nuts & bridges for Mountain dulcimers, tippers for bodhran, musical bones, and similar projects.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
04/01/24 12:55:01PM
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Bodhran (Irish Drum)


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Wally Venable:

"Mountain Mahogany" is virtually unknown to those of us living east of the Rockies.

 

I've never heard of it living in Pennsylvania. I see that it is very hard and dense. I should make a good tipper. I sure the shillelagh and walking stick are very sturdy.

Ken

"the dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Wally Venable
@wally-venable
04/01/24 10:39:48AM
131 posts

Bodhran (Irish Drum)


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"Mountain Mahogany" is virtually unknown to those of us living east of the Rockies.

I have some nice, short, Black Cherry planks seasoning in the barn. I split them from short (roughly 30 inch) segments of a fallen tree with a froe.

StudentofRhythm
@studentofrhythm
04/01/24 09:13:09AM
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Bodhran (Irish Drum)


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Mountain mahogany grows in the area where I live.  It's lovely wood, I like its properties of hardness and density, and of course it's relatively easy to get, without having to spend extra.  A few years ago I found a stand close to my mother's house; in it was a couple of dead trees.  I harvested them and from them have so far made a shillelagh, a tall walking staff, and now I'm making this tipper.

Wally Venable
@wally-venable
04/01/24 08:44:24AM
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Maybe you can finish this today, but why Mountain Mahogany? I should think a limb of Swamp Mahogany would work as well.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
03/31/24 07:44:22PM
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KenL, if you didn't have time to make a recording, you should've taken a picture of your workbench to post for IADD!  I believe you worked on the dulcimers yet photographic proof may be needed.  grin  

StudentofRhythm
@studentofrhythm
03/31/24 07:32:13PM
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Bodhran (Irish Drum)


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I started playing bodhran about 12 years ago, mostly solo along with recordings, though there have been some local groups that I've been playing with occasionally for the past couple of years.  My first one broke last summer and I got a new one a little while later, after carving a tipper from a cherry branch.  Now I'm carving another tipper from a mountain mahogany branch.

jazzc
@jazzc
03/31/24 05:33:58PM
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Ken Hulme:

Hi @jazzc...  Had cataract surgery yesterday so i couldn't take any pix until today... Here are my two favorite Traditional dulcemores:   
Uncle Ed Thomas replica Kentucky Hourglass by John Knopf on the bottom. Traditionally painted flat black. 
Above is my Virginia style Hogfiddle by Bobby Ratliff
.
Both have the high-silvery sound of traditional dulcemores rather than the more mellow sound of modern dulcimers

Very cool!  
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
03/31/24 11:33:20AM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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From observing and listening to the IADD posts on Facebook, I say that the movement to celebrate our beloved instrument is gaining ground.  Thank you to all who posted offerings for this day. I celebrated by working on a few dulcimers I have in my shop for repairs. I did play a few tunes.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."


updated by @ken-longfield: 03/31/24 11:34:27AM
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
03/30/24 06:30:02PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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I think I've listened to music from 4 countries on this International Appalachian Dulcimer Day.  grphug In addition to friends who shared audio or video here, there was more participation on Facebook than I might've imagined.  The spread of the love of the Appalachian dulcimer around the world is, truly, a beautiful thing.    

I hope y'all have nice weather for your 20 April music circle, Leo!  

Leo Kretzner
@leo-kretzner
03/30/24 04:22:05PM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Yay Dusty for so nicely imagining a sunny day today in California!! If only. 

So many involved in a potential jam today were going to be busy - and maybe they were prescient as things have turned out. The delayed music event will be on Sat April 20, noon-3, in Shelton Park, Claremont, with Doug Thomson leading the songs-and-tunes circle. Bring chair and instruments! All instruments welcomed of course, even hammered dulcimers, lol.

Happy Mountain Dulcimer Days!!

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
03/30/24 10:46:55AM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Happy IADD, everyone!  Here is a short rendition of "Tune for a Sunny Day" written by Susan Reid of the Vermont Fiddle Orchestra.  I found a simple demo of the tune on the fiddle and wrote a letter to Susan at the asking permission to share it on the dulcimer.  I was delighted about a month later to hear from her.


updated by @dusty: 03/30/24 11:15:42AM
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
03/30/24 08:05:07AM
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International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


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Happy International Appalachian Dulcimer Day, friends!  

I just listened to the first offering to celebrate from @macaodha and it's a jewel.  I haven't uploaded a tune yet, yet will soon.    

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
03/29/24 10:08:20AM
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Thanx John,  Fixed it.  y new eye isn't quite up to par yet... another few days before the swelling goes down.  

John C. Knopf
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03/29/24 09:47:51AM
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It's t'other way around, Ken!  VA at the top, KY at the bottom.  That Ed Thomas sure is a beauty!

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
03/29/24 09:14:51AM
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Hi @jazzc...  Had cataract surgery yesterday so i couldn't take any pix until today... Here are my two favorite Traditional dulcemores:   
Uncle Ed Thomas replica Kentucky Hourglass by John Knopf on the bottom. Traditionally painted flat black. 
Above is my Virginia style Hogfiddle by Bobby Ratliff
.
Both have the high-silvery sound of traditional dulcemores rather than the more mellow sound of modern dulcimers


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updated by @ken-hulme: 03/29/24 10:07:20AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
03/28/24 11:13:51AM
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That's too bad- the music is great, and it's good exercise!  jive mrdance

Jerry Posner
@jerry-posner
03/28/24 11:04:30AM
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I do live close to Dewey Hall ... but I don't dance :-) 


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