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The Shadow


musician/member name: Music
Duration: 00:02:44
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Original Locrian tune set to Emma Bell Miles poem "The Shadow" from the book "Chords From A Dulcimore" dated 1912.
Charles Thomas
08/21/19 09:18:08PM @charles-thomas:

Dan, I've been a fan of your music for a while, this is outstanding !! The images and the poem just added to your playing! You've inspired me to explore Locrian tuning!


Judith
08/19/19 08:21:14AM @judith:

Dan:

First thing, keep it simple! Diatonics is pretty simple once you remove theory from it. Take a look at this...

https://dulcimoreblog.wordpress.com/2019/08/17/diatonics/

It may put you a little closer?

Thank you so much Dan! The way you explained diatonics/modes in your blog-link has just made it all fall into place for me. thumbsup

My dulcimers are tuned up in various modes, using what works for the particular tune I am picking out, but without really understanding it. I had read a number of other explanations (books and online) and just got myself more confused but now it seems so straightforward - hugely appreciated.


Dan
08/17/19 04:58:00PM @dan:

Salt Springs:

Thanks!......got it............I remember some of that when learning Koine Greek many moons ago............where do you guys find this stuff!!!!worthy

Some waist their live in pool halls, some of us waist our lives searching the internet!!! lol


Salt Springs
08/17/19 04:44:26PM @salt-springs:

Thanks!......got it............I remember some of that when learning Koine Greek many moons ago............where do you guys find this stuff!!!!worthy


Dan
08/17/19 04:27:19PM @dan:

Salt Springs:

After reading all this I am convinced that I haven't a clue as to what all that means.  However, I like  the tune and it fits the poetry.  My hat's off to the both of you.....Ron you always amaze me with your knowledge and Dan you always get me going with your good old traditional sound.

Now to figure out what a 156 (with a flatted 6), starting on the second fret means........hmm!  (I didn't figure it out, Joellen Lapidus explains Locrian in her outstanding book, "Lapidus on Dulcimer". 

Sometimes I think I am trying to learn things way beyond my level of intelligence. Ha!

 

First thing, keep it simple! Diatonics is pretty simple once you remove theory from it. Take a look at this...

https://dulcimoreblog.wordpress.com/2019/08/17/diatonics/

It may put you a little closer?


Salt Springs
08/17/19 03:45:29PM @salt-springs:

After reading all this I am convinced that I haven't a clue as to what all that means.  However, I like  the tune and it fits the poetry.  My hat's off to the both of you.....Ron you always amaze me with your knowledge and Dan you always get me going with your good old traditional sound.

Now to figure out what a 156 (with a flatted 6), starting on the second fret means........hmm!  (I didn't figure it out, Joellen Lapidus explains Locrian in her outstanding book, "Lapidus on Dulcimer". 

Sometimes I think I am trying to learn things way beyond my level of intelligence. Ha!

 


Dan
08/17/19 03:04:43PM @dan:

Agreed!


Ron Zuckerman
08/17/19 01:48:54PM @ron-zuckerman:

Dan:


Let me see if I can explain this in Diatonics......


F is the lower tonic. (1)


C is the accompanying middle drone. (5)

@Dan If you just look at the melody notes and ignore the drones for a moment, the melody uses only 6 notes of the scale. The note that is omitted (specifically the 5th note of the scale - the 6th fret in this case) is the one that would determine whether the mode is Phrygian or Locrian. So from a melody standpoint, it is modally ambiguous. However, if you include the middle drone, that pretty well determines that this to be Phrygian since it is a perfect 5th instead of a diminished 5th (aka tritone).

Dan:

Melody tuned to Db that noted on the second staple is C upper tonic. (8) 

I think you mean that the upper tonic (8) is F, not C.

Dan:

Where we have annotated the C Db C could be any "key". We don't use the "key" in Diatonics. We use the relationship of the tones to create the "mode". The Locrian mode or scale starts on the second staple.

The fact that there is a root note and an interval relationship is the very definition of a mode of a "key". So, I believe this is in the Phyrgian mode of Db -- i.e., F Phrygian.

I'm pretty sure you're going to disagree with this, so let's just agree to disagree.


IRENE
08/12/19 11:56:52PM @irene:

woah, yep, teach that one too....."who knows but the shadow?"....who used to listen to that radio program?   aloha, irene


Dan
08/12/19 08:28:16PM @dan:

Ron Zuckerman:

Beautiful tune, @Dan, very haunting. Nice choice on the poem, too. However, I don't believe that this tune is in fact Locrian. The tuning seems to be F-C-Db, and the tonal center seems to be F. The notes used in this tune seem to be F, Gb, Ab, Bb, Db, and Eb. Since the middle string is tuned to C, that would mean that the scale is F, Gb, Ab, Bb, C, Db, and Eb. That is the F Phyrigian scale, not the F Locrian scale. The F Locrian scale would lower the C to a Cb (this is a B natural, but the correct spelling in this context is Cb), so the tuning would actually have to be F-Cb-Db. F and Cb sound very dissonant together, so a drone piece based on this tuning would sound very tense (no sense of resolution) due to the continuous dissonance in the drones. Your piece uses F and C as the drones, which are very consonant. Although you seem to be using dissonance to create tension, your piece sounds restful since it has a clear sense of resolution when the melody goes to its home note, F, or a note that harmonizes well with F and C (like F and Ab).

Let me see if I can explain this in Diatonics......

F is the lower tonic. (1)

C is the accompanying middle drone. (5)

Melody tuned to Db that noted on the second staple is C upper tonic. (8) 

Where we have annotated the C Db C could be any "key". We don't use the "key" in Diatonics. We use the relationship of the tones to create the "mode". The Locrian mode or scale starts on the second staple.

 


Ron Zuckerman
08/12/19 07:46:51PM @ron-zuckerman:

Beautiful tune, @Dan, very haunting. Nice choice on the poem, too. However, I don't believe that this tune is in fact Locrian. The tuning seems to be F-C-Db, and the tonal center seems to be F. The notes used in this tune seem to be F, Gb, Ab, Bb, Db, and Eb. Since the middle string is tuned to C, that would mean that the scale is F, Gb, Ab, Bb, C, Db, and Eb. That is the F Phyrigian scale, not the F Locrian scale. The F Locrian scale would lower the C to a Cb (this is a B natural, but the correct spelling in this context is Cb), so the tuning would actually have to be F-Cb-Db. F and Cb sound very dissonant together, so a drone piece based on this tuning would sound very tense (no sense of resolution) due to the continuous dissonance in the drones. Your piece uses F and C as the drones, which are very consonant. Although you seem to be using dissonance to create tension, your piece sounds restful since it has a clear sense of resolution when the melody goes to its home note, F, or a note that harmonizes well with F and C (like F and Ab).


Dan
08/12/19 05:30:37PM @dan:

Thank you all!!!


Kevin Burns
08/12/19 11:36:48AM @kevin-burns:

Very nice!nod


Ballad Gal
08/12/19 10:29:19AM @ballad-gal:

Who knew Locrian could sound that "normal"! Good job, Dan!  --Ann


dulcinina
08/12/19 09:00:03AM @dulcinina:

We want that taught at the next Berea Traditional Gathering, Dan.  Well Done.  Nina


Salt Springs
08/12/19 07:00:17AM @salt-springs:

Bravo!!!    worthy


Steven Berger
08/12/19 05:50:52AM @steven-berger:

Well done, Dan!


Dan
08/12/19 05:06:23AM @dan:

My first try at Locrian!