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john p
@john-p
09/01/15 08:20:26AM
173 posts



Quick demo of 4 different version of this song.

Tuning is A'AA

 

1st is the Tommy Jarrell/Bruce Molsky - As Time Draws Near.



2nd is from Sweeney's Men - My Dearest Dear.



3rd is Cath and Phil Tyler - Dearest Dear.

https://cathandphiltyler.bandcamp.com/track/dearest-dear

4th is Sharon Kraus - The Blackest Crow.

https://sharronkraus.bandcamp.com/track/the-blackest-crow

 


updated by @john-p: 09/01/15 08:29:37AM
robert schuler
@robert-schuler
09/01/15 07:55:02AM
258 posts

Looking For Tab: Elk River Blues


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 As you know a lot of songs are built on the same or closely related melodies. Little Sparrow is very close to ERB. The tab to LS might be easier to find. LS was one of the first songs I learned and when I heard ERB it instantly came out of the dulcimer. I play it Daa... Familiarise one song makes learning similar songs easy... Robert...

john p
@john-p
09/01/15 07:22:00AM
173 posts

Looking For Tab: Elk River Blues


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

I did a quick demo a while back, but can't find the post using the search. Probably in amongst the coments somewhere.

Here it is again. The fret order looks a bit scarey, so if you can try and learn it by ear from the sound clip you may find it easier.

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updated by @john-p: 09/01/15 07:25:58AM
Wout Blommers
@wout-blommers
09/01/15 05:31:28AM
96 posts

String size


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

The right string is a combination between length, size and tension. The three strings on the dulcimer when bought in one package are 'matching'. Surely there are packages for sale which offer a different combination for your dulcimer, which have a different volume, resonance and playability for that particular instrument. So one has to experiment. Take one brand of strings which offers different matches. Buy a package of each and renew the strings every week (!) Try the same songs on each set, hopefully remembering how the other ones are sounding. Make notes about which string 'speaks' better than the others (sounds louder or is easier to play). Use them also in different tunings when playing in a other mode. It is possible one string fits better in another set, due to the different soundbox or wood. I mostly play in DAA, in which the middle string is too loud on my instrument. Replacing it by a thinner one makes the balance for me (less tension). I play a Blue Lion and I suspect it's luthier emphased the volume of the 2nd string to balance the double melody, which I play single. This volume is created by the instrument itself and the Blue Lion luthier, I think, has the nowledge and the capability to construct it this way. I can't tell for sure, because I have only one Bleu Lion happys

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
09/01/15 02:29:07AM
1,851 posts

Looking For Tab: Elk River Blues


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Check out this discussion at Everything Dulcimer . You will find links to audio versions, video versions, and also tablature both for noter/drone play and for chorded play.

 

Jan is sorta kinda probably correct, or not.krazy  The West Virginia fiddler Ernie Carpenter wrote the song (in the 1950s, I think) and you would expect it to be under copyright. However, I have not found any evidence that the song is copyrighted, and everyone (not just dulcimer players) seems to both credit Carpenter for its composition and also post music and tablature freely.

Dan Goad
@dan-goad
09/01/15 01:46:48AM
155 posts

String size


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Marg, in my opinion there is no "right" string size.  Their are ranges of string sizes "right" for melody, middle and bass strings, but the "right" size is the string or string set that the player feels is most pleasing to his/her ears.  My ranges of size personally are 8 - 12 melody 12 - 16 middle and 20 - 26 bass. There are many variables that determine the tone of every dulcimer., (sound box volumne VSL, intonation, wood type, etc.) 

Dan Goad
@dan-goad
09/01/15 01:12:20AM
155 posts

Looking For Tab: Elk River Blues


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Someone posted the fret numbers here several weeks ago, either here or one the old site.  I haven't been able to locate the posts yet but I am sure that they are here somewhere.  A search of "Elk River Blues" didn't show any results.  Some one will probably find it or post it tomorrow when everyone has had a chance to see the request.

marg
@marg
09/01/15 01:04:33AM
620 posts

String size


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

How much of a difference does the right size strings have on the tone quality of the dulcimer? 


updated by @marg: 08/01/23 12:37:47AM
Jan Potts
@jan-potts
09/01/15 01:03:58AM
403 posts

Looking For Tab: Elk River Blues


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I think this is under copyright still.

Victory Martin
@victory-martin
08/31/15 10:19:15PM
8 posts

Looking For Tab: Elk River Blues


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Looking for DAA Tab to Elk River Blues. Thank you


updated by @victory-martin: 07/25/16 10:23:24AM
Bob Reinsel
@bob-reinsel
08/31/15 09:12:30PM
80 posts



Seamus, you could actually use Robin's tab to play my version, just tune to D-G-d instead of D-a-a.  The fret postiions are the same, but because of the tuning the key is different, so the written notes will be different.  If you stick to the fret numbers and rhythm it should work.

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
08/31/15 08:41:21PM
239 posts



I worked up an easy noter drone version of the tune in DAA a couple of years ago to play at the local open mic as a duet with the daughter of some friends - Ella Morgan.  We recorded the tune as we were learning it, to see how it was going.  I think I used my small bodied Ed Thomas repro strung with piano wire and played with noter and thumb strum to try and get as trad a sound as possible for the dulcimer part.

http://k001.kiwi6.com/hotlink/jvdd6bucnv/blackest_crow_-_ella_31_oct_13a.mp3

I've attached a TAB for this version.


The Blackest Crow .pdf - 22KB
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
08/31/15 06:19:37PM
1,342 posts

Modern Songs for Guitar and Dulcimer


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Sheryl, you're welcome. Here ia a fake book that I use occasionally, but like. http://www.amazon.com/The-Ultimate-Fake-Book-Instruments/dp/0793529395  I use it occasionally because I don't own it, but my son does. So when I visit him in California I dig it out and play some tunes. If you like fiddle tunes, the Fiddlers' Fake Book is excellent. Many of those songs need to be transposed. Many fiddle tunes are in "A" but quite a few are in "D." Again, I don't own, but my son does. You can get fake books for many genres of music.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."


updated by @ken-longfield: 08/31/15 06:20:12PM
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
08/31/15 06:03:51PM
1,342 posts

Modern Songs for Guitar and Dulcimer


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

A fake book usually contains the words to a song and a simple melody accompaniment. Chords may be inserted above the music staff as names "E," "A," "D," etc. It is up to you to figure out any chordal or harmony accompaniment. In other words, it gives you the bones to the song and it is up to you to put flesh on them. I like fake books in the key of C because they easily can be played in DAA.

Ken

"The dulcmer sings a sweet song."

Gerald
@gerald
08/31/15 05:09:46PM
2 posts

Tunings you like to use on your dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

The graphite is a just a lubricant. It is often sold in powder form to be used in key locks to keep the action nice and smooth. If you look at the setup of the strings over the nut, there is generally quite an angle between the axis of the string that is strummed, and the part of the string that goes from the nut to the tuning machine. That is the point where a bit of lubricant can really make a big difference. Some folks have used silicon grease or even cooking oil...not realy sure which is best....but hey...we're not send a man to the moon here.

Bob Reinsel
@bob-reinsel
08/31/15 04:31:07PM
80 posts



 Let me see if I can put something together for you...

marg
@marg
08/31/15 04:17:26PM
620 posts

Tunings you like to use on your dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Apply pencil graphite on the nut and bridge. That helps reduce breakage)

Why is this? What does the graphite do to help prevent string breadage?

    I am starting a class in DAA but will continue to go to practice that is tune to DAd, I will be changing my strings back and forth often. If this works it will be a great cofort not to be breaking strings alone the way. Thanks for this Robert but how does it work?

 


updated by @marg: 08/31/15 04:18:27PM
Sheryl St. Clare
@sheryl-st-clare
08/31/15 02:32:14PM
259 posts

Modern Songs for Guitar and Dulcimer


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Good ideas. He already knows I'll Follow You...he sings it too. I play Chords, flatpicking and fingerpicking. Thanks for the great suggestions. What is a "fake book"? Thanks

Bob Reinsel
@bob-reinsel
08/31/15 12:09:10PM
80 posts



Seamus, here is my version.  I'm tuned D-G-d

https://soundcloud.com/bob-reinsel/blackest-crow

 

robert schuler
@robert-schuler
08/31/15 11:52:31AM
258 posts

Tunings you like to use on your dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Gerald. Apply pencil graphite on the nut and bridge. That helps reduce breakage. Strings should last until you want to change them. I've got sets that are 10 years old and still doing well... Welcome to the world of tunings. Exciting times await... Robert.

Lisa Golladay
@lisa-golladay
08/31/15 11:46:45AM
109 posts

Modern Songs for Guitar and Dulcimer


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The whippersnappers in the local ukulele club taught me a couple of Death Cab songs that I think would sound wonderful on MD and guitar:  I'll Follow You Into the Dark and Stay Young, Go Dancing

In return, I teach them Bob Dylan songs.  You Ain't Going NowhereWagon Wheel (not entirely Dylan, but hey).  Mr. Tambourine Man

What about those '70s folk groups like Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention?  All those versions of Matty Groves and John Barleycorn aren't "modern songs" but they do seem to split the difference between indie rock and 17th century ;-)   Also Paul Simon in his Scarborough Fair and April Come She Will period. 

Are you playing chords, playing melody, or both?  The chords for all these songs are easy to find on the internet.  Sheet music for the melody can be purchased in a fake book (be sure it includes the melody lines and not just chords). Dulcimer tab will be hard to find.  If you need tab, then Matty Groves and john Barleycorn are looking better than ever!

5kwkdw3
@5kwkdw3
08/31/15 10:36:44AM
31 posts

Tunings you like to use on your dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Gerald: Can't wait to sit down and try a few. By the sounds of it, I think I'd better stop by the music shop first, and stock up on strings : )

It may just be me, but I tell you I've gone through a number of strings over the years, not from overreaching to another tuning, but simply from going up and down a full step on a string a number of times.  So the string easily reaches either a D or a C, but if I were to go back and forth a number of times, that string is going to pop!  I think the extra strings is a terrific idea, Kevin.

Susie
@susie
08/31/15 10:12:03AM
512 posts

Possum board search!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

It is comfortable on the lap and there's a big difference in volume. I like the fact that it fits with all my dulcimers. It also has strap buttons if you want to do that.

Sheryl St. Clare
@sheryl-st-clare
08/31/15 10:05:48AM
259 posts

Modern Songs for Guitar and Dulcimer


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My son plays folk guitar, I play MD. He is 19, and he has agreed to learn songs we can play together. I like 17th century, and early American tunes, he likes Indie Rock (Jack Johnson, Death Cab for Cutie, Benjamin Gibbard, and the like. I am willing to learn modern pieces so that he will actually play his guitar with me, and we can spend some time together playing. I am looking for suggestions for some modern pieces we can learn. Doesn’t have to be Indie Rock, maybe some 70’s tunes. He likes American Pie, and some other songs from the 70’s. Any suggestions?


updated by @sheryl-st-clare: 10/27/19 12:02:25PM
Gerald
@gerald
08/31/15 07:18:42AM
2 posts

Tunings you like to use on your dulcimer


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I stumbled on this thread by accident. Been playing for a couple of years now and mostly in DAD. Was thrilled some time ago to discover DAC which opened up a whole new world of tunes for me. Been jotting down some of the "allternative" tunings offered here, and have almmost run out of paper ! Can't wait to sit down and try a few. By the sounds of it, I think I'd better stop by the music shop first, and stock up on strings : )

Vicki Moore
@vicki-moore
08/31/15 06:22:41AM
15 posts

Possum board search!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Susie, how comfortable is this type of possum board? Does it sit nicely on one's lap? And, do you notice quite a difference in volume?  Thanks!

Stephanie Muschlitz
@stephanie-muschlitz
08/30/15 11:07:56PM
4 posts

Possum board search!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi Vicki,

I have a possum board that came from McSpadden however it is not painted with a scene as you the one you saw. You may want to contact them to see what they have. http://www.mcspaddendulcimers.com. I have a wooden table in my kitchen that is counter height. I sometimes lay my dulcimer on there and play standing. It sounds good and I get to practice while I am waiting for dinner to get done. Susie's adjustable possum board sounds interesting too.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/30/15 08:07:06PM
2,157 posts

Possum board search!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Vicki -- I have a possum board that I made from two 1/4" thich x 6" wide boards of Balsawood that I've glued together.  VERY lightweight!  It can be cut to any shape with a simple X-acto Blade.  If you can't find what you like, drop me a note.  I have several more of those planks available

Susie
@susie
08/30/15 03:00:31PM
512 posts

Possum board search!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I have four dulcimers including a FolkRoots. I bought an adjustable possum board from Jim VanderWoude at Evart that I can use on all of them. And it even folds down to a size for easy travel. I put some felt pads on it and some clear tubing on the knobs, to ensure it doesn't scratch an instrument. I love it's versatility. Plus he makes them in different types of wood. Mine is cherry.

www.dulcimer store.com


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Vicki Moore
@vicki-moore
08/30/15 01:31:33PM
15 posts

Possum board search!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Yes, I have already contacted Folkcraft and "no dice". Thanks for sharing Peter's method but I think that would be too heavy on my legs. I'm hoping for something quite lightweight and in the hourglass shape (like the one belonging to the woman that I mentioned initially).  Thanks again............

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
08/30/15 01:11:48PM
1,851 posts

Possum board search!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Vicki, you might contact folkcraft to see if they sell possum boards custom fitted for their dulcimers.

 

But all you really need is a board.  Peter Tommerup just uses a board originally intended for a bookself, and he puts whatever dulcimer he is playing on it.  Here he is in a duet with his wife Leann: https://youtu.be/DWfnkcGS1Y0?t=4m53s .

Vicki Moore
@vicki-moore
08/30/15 11:16:02AM
15 posts

Possum board search!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

2 weeks ago at the "August Dulcimer Daze" in Dover, VT, I briefly met a woman who had a McSpadden Dulcimer and a beautiful possum board (separate/detached) that had an evergreen scene etched or painted on it.  She let me try it with my Folkcraft and it fit perfectly!  However, she couldn't remember where she had purchased it..........she said that she was going to try to find out before the festival ended but I never saw her again. :(    She told me that when she purchased the possum board she had a choice of several scenes. Does this ring a bell with anyone?  I'm not so much interested in the decoration but would like to find a possum board that fits my original made-in-CT Folkcraft dulcimers - one is regular and one is baritone. I don't have the time or know-how to make my own.  Picture perfect weather here today in the Northeast Kingdom of VT - now away from the computer and out to the deck to play some music!  Thanks to anyone who can help with my search.

 


updated by @vicki-moore: 02/10/25 12:43:20PM
Sheryl St. Clare
@sheryl-st-clare
08/30/15 09:58:17AM
259 posts

Have you met other FOTMD's in real life and become friends?


OFF TOPIC discussions

I met one of my NC neighbors, Gail Webber, at the Carolina Mountain Dulcimer Players workshops in Chapel Hill, NC yesterday. We were in 3 workshops together. I almost bought her McSpadden dulcimer, but one of my fellow Triangle Mountain Dulcimer Association members beat me to it! hi5

 

Rick Kennedy
@rick-kennedy
08/30/15 01:18:14AM
17 posts



Seamus--It isn't tabbed out, but Robin Clark did a couple of versions of the tune, including a version with a young lady on vocals.  I don't know if they made it over during the FOTMD transfer (I downloaded them some time ago).  I began to learn the song with the aforementioned tabbed version provided by Strumelia on the noter/drone blog and hear Robin's versions and a version by a duo from Michigan called Red Tail Ring easily found on YouTube (because it is quite slow and makes internalized the melody easier) when I am playing.


updated by @rick-kennedy: 08/30/15 01:18:59AM
robert schuler
@robert-schuler
08/29/15 11:03:11PM
258 posts



Tommy Jarrells version is my favorite. Its the sound I hear in my head when I play it on dulcimer. Robert.

Joy W.
@joy-w
08/29/15 10:35:38PM
19 posts



The Midland Folk Music Festival really is a great little gathering, isn't it? You picked a great day to attend the festival and it was nice to cross paths with you this year. :-)

john p
@john-p
08/29/15 10:13:30PM
173 posts



Hi Seamus,

The earliest recording of the most well known of these I've found is probably by Tommy Jarrell, you'll find it on youtube under the title 'As Time Draws Near'


Bruce Molsky has produce some of Tommy's work in a more accessable style and the most well known version(and the basis of much that followed) is with Julie Fowles, also on youtube.


I did a recording of 'Dearest Dear' by Cath & Phil Tyler a while back, you'll find it in my audio list. I'll try and do a sound clip of the others when the block's a bit quieter.

Another Tommy Jarrell I've been looking at lately is Train on the Island, also covered by Bruce Molsky. Nearly got it.
Similar story here, there are a heap of bluegrass style recordings of this tune, as well as it being sung to the tune of 'June Apple'.
Here's my favourite played on Nepalese Sarangi and clawhammer banjo - https://soundcloud.com/hilary-dirlam/train-on-the-island-american-fiddle-tune


[edit] looks like you need to click the second part of the link

 


updated by @john-p: 08/29/15 10:26:47PM
Rick Kennedy
@rick-kennedy
08/29/15 07:50:57PM
17 posts



Rob N Lackey:
John P...  I'm interested if no one else is!  

I'm with Rob!

Annie Deeley
@annie-deeley
08/29/15 05:56:42PM
49 posts



Hi. Laura Elder sings a very slow poignant version with baritone dulcimer. On you tube I think.

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