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mackelroy
@mackelroy
07/06/24 07:42:28PM
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Travel Dulcimer string angle issues


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Nothing wiggles. But if you were to snug it up to the fretboard, it’d bind the strings. Whatever the solution is, it almost has to include a different string spacer. 

Nate
@nate
07/06/24 07:29:41PM
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Travel Dulcimer string angle issues


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My mistake I thought the nails were screws. Are the nails loose? It visually looks like the spacer is meant to be flush with the edge of the fingerboard, but has been pulled out of place and tipped over by the force of the strings.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
07/06/24 07:20:44PM
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Mutual acknowledgement


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Great thoughts, Jamie!  I'm with you-- we're all doing something we love.  And we have a place here to communicate meaningfully with one another.  

mackelroy
@mackelroy
07/06/24 07:03:53PM
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Travel Dulcimer string angle issues


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The “nut” is nailed to the fretboard. And if you look closely, you can see that the strings go through it, not over it. It’s being used as a string spacer. I would hope that wasn’t the maker’s design, but I also can’t tell you it wasn’t. The string angles coming from the tuning posts are not great. They’re tall posts, and you’d have to wind the string way down them to get an angle approaching “acceptable,” IMO.  

Nate
@nate
07/06/24 06:11:09PM
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Travel Dulcimer string angle issues


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if you were to tighten those screws, would the nut be upright and flush with the end of the fingerboard? It seems to be leaning pretty dramatically toward the zero fret and the screws look pretty loose. Maybe is just needs to be re-secured

DavisJames
@davisjames
07/06/24 05:28:59PM
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Mutual acknowledgement


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?

Just a thought.Dulcimer players are a minority in North America which has an advantage re mainstream media...we can be as creative as we want to be...no pressure to be successful or conform to a certain standard or style, because we're mostly ignored.Very creative situation...Nevertheless,as musicians we need  communication,a response.If you like something or a certain approach in a tune or wonder about the technique-ask,like,comment.It's not Spotify...it's a bunch of individuals whatever the playing level doing something they love...Ask,like,comment.

Nate
@nate
07/06/24 04:55:04PM
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Travel Dulcimer string angle issues


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Is that "nut" screwed into the fretboard?? Thats a.....creative.....solution..... 

I think it would be simpler to replace the string spacer bar than to replace the tuners. Theoretically, if the spacer bar is lower than the 0 fret, it shouldn't matter that the tuners are higher than the spacer. The only challenge is anchoring the spacer to the headstock well enough that force from the strings doesnt lift the spacer up.

Lots of options for that, good luck!

Nate

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
07/06/24 04:42:20PM
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Tab or info about a song Deireadn Fomhair


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

FWIW, I tabbed out the basic melody with chords in Em.  But it is hard to capture that free and open feeling of the guitar version because in Em, we can't use that many open strings.

When I get some time, I'm going to revisit the tune and arrange it with a capo at the first fret, which will allow more open strings.  I might also try to transpose it to Bm.

If you're interested in the tab I created so far, sent me a personal message with your email.

mackelroy
@mackelroy
07/06/24 12:13:36PM
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Travel Dulcimer string angle issues


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I was gifted a dulcimer recently, and it's got me interested in learning this instrument. However, upon looking at this particular model, it's got some... quirks. In turn, I have questions. The label inside says it was made by a fellow named Walt Kirby out of Oklahoma City. I think he is no longer living (based on a quick google search). Anyway, it's a travel-size, teardrop dulcimer that in many ways seems solidly constructed. However, the string angle coming off the headstock needs addressing. Seems ol' Walt, or some subsequent owner, tried to remedy it by making strange use of a wooden nut. See the pics attached.

As you can imagine, this affects the instrument's ability to hold tune. I'm looking for advice on how to address this. Is it as simple as swapping the tuning machines out for low-post versions? Or, does it need more drastic attention? Ideally, I'd like to be able to put a different nut on that guides the strings, but sits lower than the zero fret. I'm open to ideas.


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Lilley Pad
@lilley-pad
07/05/24 09:21:06PM
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Tab or info about a song Deireadn Fomhair


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Here's a link of a close up of his finger work. I hope someday I can get my fingers to work like that.  

Oh yes thanks Dusty for the Info

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
07/05/24 08:31:07PM
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Tab or info about a song Deireadn Fomhair


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I believe that's an "h" at the end of the first word rather than an "n."  According to The Session, it is an alternate title to Terry Teehan's .  If that's the same tune, the sheet music is offered in Em, but there is no C natural, so it would be playable in that key on the dulcimer.

The Stephen Wake arrangement is very pretty and makes use of the 6-string DADGAD tuning very well. It would be hard to re-create that fluid and open feel on a 3-string dulcimer.  I may try to tab this out, but it will be a while before I could get a really nice arrangement.

Lilley Pad
@lilley-pad
07/05/24 06:49:57PM
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Tab or info about a song Deireadn Fomhair


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hello again kids, how's everybody out there in cyberspace? I hope everybody has survived. all of those fireworks. My dog went completely nuts. But that's not why I'm writing, I just stumbled across the song Deireadn Fomhair that I love. I'm not quite ready for finger picking and I don't know if there's any dulcimer tablatures out there for this song; it's composed for a guitar. looks like you need pretty Nimble fingers maybe down the road. the name of the song is Deireadh Fomhair played by Stephen Wake tuned to DADGAD. Do you think that there are any dulcimer tab. Out there

Art S
@art-s
07/04/24 09:49:46AM
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Tab or chords needed for We Walk By Faith


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I have discovered Ultimate Guitar sonce this request. I use it in conjunction with Songbook Pro to upload lyrics and chords to my tablet. A great resource.

dyannay
@dyannay
07/03/24 11:18:47AM
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Tab or chords needed for We Walk By Faith


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I realize this answer comes very late, but it might help you in the future. I always look for chords on https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/. Here's what I found for We Walk By Faith : https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/misc-praise-songs/we-walk-by-faith-chords-1774730

idle strummer
@idle-strummer
06/29/24 10:11:44AM
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Call 'em Ukes, Ukuleles, but never Ukeleles!


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If you are a memeber of UU you will know that a baritone is not a proper ukulele.winker giggle2

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
06/29/24 10:07:33AM
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Introduce Yourself!


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Another Devonian era person, eh?  I joined that age myself back in June.  Welcome, welcome.  There are several ways to play the dulcimer, to accommodate a variety of 'issues'.  We have a number of UK players here, so you're in good company.  If all else fails you can build your own box-shaped dulcimer for just a few quid and a day's worth of minor effort, and at least get started learning while looking for a really nice instrument.   That's how I started off fifty years ago -- built one so I could learn to play it...

We know shipping to the UK is really expensive.  One thought is to have someone here make you a fretboard, which can then be attached to a dulcimer shaped box over there.  The fretboard is the  critical part, of course, to making the instrument sound good.  A good size fretboard is only about 65x4x2 cm and should not be too expensive to ship.

Do you know about the Nonesuch Dulcimer Club there in the UK?  it's been around for dog's years.   You might google it and contact them to see if anyone has a dulcimer for sale.   

If you go to the Beginner Players Group here, you'll find a PDF of a booklet I wrote years ago called I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What?, which is an illustrated glossary of dulcimer terms (so we all speak the same jargon) plus answers to many beginner questions about tuning, playing, care and feeding of your dulcimer when you get or make it.  


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RobMachin
@robmachin
06/29/24 10:00:49AM
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Hi Idle - I'm also UK-based, and an excellent source of Dulcimers in the UK is https://revelsmusic.co.uk/ . But also, lots of the US makers and shops will ship (McSpadden and Folkcraft both do quite quickly)!

Happy playing, all the best.

Rob

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
06/29/24 08:44:43AM
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Just 4 fun


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Jon, it worked both ways you did it-- I saw it in the first format.  And I liked seeing it both times!  dulcimer

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
06/28/24 08:15:10PM
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Well, idle, I'm looking forward to your questions. Many folks seem to migrate to the mountain dulcimer when having problems playing other instruments. I am having problems fingering chords on guitar, but don't have a problem with the banjo. Luckily I've been playing mountain dulcimer for the last 50 years and can still play chords on it although my preferred style of playing is with a noter.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
06/28/24 08:08:41PM
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I don't know what didn't work, but I like the drawing. Always nice to see some FOTMD friends no matter the form, human or drawn characters. Thanks for sharing it, Jon.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."


updated by @ken-longfield: 06/29/24 01:28:57PM
Lilley Pad
@lilley-pad
06/28/24 07:25:13PM
71 posts

Just 4 fun


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sorry looks like it didn't work :0(

Lilley Pad
@lilley-pad
06/28/24 07:23:14PM
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Just 4 fun


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Hope this brings a few smiles. From Jon Lilley


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idle strummer
@idle-strummer
06/28/24 05:06:21PM
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Hello everyone.

I had intended to lurk in shadows while I gathered information especially as I don't have a Dulcimer - yet but I see that some of you already know I am here so decided to say hello.

I live in Sidmouth Devon and I am 76 going on 24 yet gradually winding down my type of instrument playing as old age and old mountain bike accidents come home to roost. I used to play acoustic guitar but I have problems supporting the necks now with my left arm. My pride and joy D28 also started to set off my tinnitus as did my fiddle and mandolin. Ended up with an octave mandolin and baritone ukulele that I still play. I just sold the OM so itching to buy a Dulcimer and still doing research on which one. Bit of a limited selection here in the UK but I think I have identified one.

I also have a lot of questions that I will post over time.

Nate
@nate
06/27/24 07:58:18PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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That's really cool. That would be a really useful thing for me to do on dulcimers I make with eye bolts for tuners, since theyre super finicky to fine tune

Strumelia
@strumelia
06/27/24 05:10:57PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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@dallas , I do apologize that we have veered a bit off track from your main subject. But your Dubroff dulcimer does have some very nice fine tuning beads! happydance

@nate , a few years ago, member @dave-d restored a Keith Young dulcimer and posted a photo here of the wooden bead fine tuners Keith used to make. (You can look up his 6 yr old thread) Below is the 'before' photo, showing the remaining two beads- one in place properly and the one on the bass string had crept under tailpiece into the wrong place. From the one good one showing, you can see how they were elegantly made and how they might work. They don't actually need to move all that much in order to hear the audible change in the note due to tension change. When moved all the way to the bridge, it should be pretty much slack and not change the note much at all... when slid towards the tail you can hear the pitch go up more. If you need to change the note more than just a little, you just use the main tuning pegs. These beads are only for very fine adjustments once you are quite close to the note you need.

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Strumelia
@strumelia
06/27/24 04:52:23PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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It 'shouldn't' be hard to slide the bead, and it 'shouldn't' drastically change the break angle. The tuning leeway it gives is usually less than 1/2 half step... fine tuning the note. Well made fine tuning beads are (or should be) a pleasure to use... mostly useful if you have old fashioned (non geared) wooden peg tuners. Of course you need to have a flat fretboard surface between the bridge and the pin or the end of the tail, in order to have a place for them to slide up and down. An inch is not generally quite long enough. I like the beads to have a smooth flattened surface where they slide on the fretboard, so that they neither roll nor dig into the fretboard surface over time such as a spherical bead might do.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
06/27/24 04:38:36PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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Nate, beads fitted properly are easy to move to make very fine adjustments.

Nate
@nate
06/27/24 04:19:15PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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I am curious about how that affects the break angle of the string. Is the bead difficult to move, due to the pressure on it, or does it slide easily?

Nate
@nate
06/27/24 04:10:55PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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Okay, I think that is what I originally thought ken H meant. So, the strings are always in contact with the bridge, and the beads do not change the VSL for intonation? The beads just redistribute the tension that is past the VSL, to allow small tuning adjustments to the open string?

Strumelia
@strumelia
06/27/24 03:57:18PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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My Keith Young dulcimer has the wood bead fine tuners as well.
Because the string sits high above the soundboard next to the bridge and very low as the string approaches the tail pins or tail end, when you slide the bead towards or away from the bridge, it raises or lowers the non-vibrating section of the string slightly, thus either increasing string tension or lowering it... which makes the note a tiny bit higher or lower, as much as a half step sometimes. Since the Vibrating String Length is not actually changed, these tuning beads simply change the tension of the string by stretching it tighter (with the bead close to the tail) or allowing it to be at natural tension as if the bead wasn't there (when the bead is slid close to the bridge).

Nate
@nate
06/27/24 02:02:03PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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Thanks to both kens and Robin for the explanation. The fact that it also has an installed bridge in front of them made that unintuitive to me. Now that I understand better, that seems like a very clever feature.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
06/27/24 01:05:29PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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NateBuildsToys:

Oooh, so are they basically fine adjusters for bridge intonation? Sort of like having a separate floating bridge under each string? Kind of like on an electric guitar bridge?

 

Yes.

Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Nate
@nate
06/27/24 12:32:58PM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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Oooh, so are they basically fine adjusters for bridge intonation? Sort of like having a separate floating bridge under each string? Kind of like on an electric guitar bridge?


updated by @nate: 06/27/24 12:35:57PM
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
06/27/24 11:59:44AM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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Walt Martin, of Sunhearth Dulcimers, put fine tuners on his instruments. Rather than using beads he made them out of ebony and they were pyramid shaped. A small hole drilled from one end in a slightly upward direction met another hole drilled from the opposite direction met in the middle so that the string moved over a slight peak inside the tuner. By sliding it forward or backward one could shorten or lengthen the string length. I believe Dwain Wilder continues to off this on his Bear Meadows dulcimers, the successor of Sunhearth.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Nate
@nate
06/27/24 11:50:10AM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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That's really interesting. So is it basically the case that sliding the beads forward and back slightly changes the amount of tension?

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
06/27/24 10:57:59AM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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If this helps, here is an example of fine tuning beads used on a mountain dulcimer, a Keith Young built model (the instrument leaned against the back of the bench):

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
06/27/24 10:10:37AM
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John (Jolm?) Dubroff dulcimer


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Nate -- what you show ARE dampers for mandolins.  But bead type fine tuners are/were common on dulcimers; especially the melody and middle drones -- the most commonly adjusted strings...

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