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Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
01/11/12 10:30:30AM
1,571 posts

What's up with the headless vids?????


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi, Mandy! I show my head just to torture viewers! Oh, I think the first video I ever made-- a felt pick demonstration-- has me mostly headless. I was home alone when I made that video.

Mandy
@mandy
01/11/12 09:49:20AM
140 posts

What's up with the headless vids?????


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Ok I just want to say that this is partially a joke but there really is some truth to it also from my standpoint.

Why do most people not show their heads in their vids? I really want to see your head people. It's part of the whole experience IMO. I like seeing the dulcimer and all, but I really like seeing your head too. So please let me see some heads.

That's one of the main reasons I like youtube, I get to see heads and hands and instruments most times. Though it may be a challenge to get your camera to pan out that far or whatever I hope you'll try to show me your head in the future.

Hope I'm not being to demanding, but I just want some heads


updated by @mandy: 03/04/19 03:42:58PM
Macy Jayne
@wendy-coons-karrasch
01/21/12 02:10:49PM
24 posts



I was just playing 'What A Friend We Have In Jesus' in tab that has both DAD and DAA tab, one right below the other. I was in DAA and just started playing it as if the upper line was my bass D. It made really nice chords that I didn't know of before, but then I figured out what I was playing on my bass D was actually the tab melody line for DAD tuning. So if tab comes in both DAD and DAA on top of each other, its like getting nice chords also! Just something I figured out today. A 'D' is a D the world round.

BethH
@beth-hansen
01/19/12 04:47:20PM
41 posts



That's a great article Stumelia! I have an alt title for you "Tab...once more with feeling"

Strumelia said:

I wrote a blog post a while back called

"Tab....a blessing or an evil?"

folkfan
@folkfan
01/14/12 04:47:54PM
357 posts



Yep. Not too old to learn something new. Unfortunately, I'm too old to remember it.

Garey McAnally said:

Reading all the great discussion, I suddenly felt overwhelmed by ignorance. Does everyone in the world know what SMN is but me? I thought it might be something kinky. But, my friend, Mr. Google, set me straight. SMN- S tandard M usical N otation. Oh, I know what that is ! ! ! Not too old to learn 'sumpin' new.

Foggers
@foggers
01/14/12 07:52:31AM
62 posts



Hi All what an excellent discussion!

I learned to read SMN in my teens in the school choir and local youth orchestra (double bass player)> I also was a self taught finger style guitarinst, and never used TAB for that, working mainly from books with SMN plus guitar chords, and learning by ear at church. I first encountered TAB about 5 years ago when I got an entry-level banjo with an instruction book (TAB and CD). I found it great for basics (in the absence of finding a teacher) but I can really identify with Mandy's point that she thinks that TAB maybe held back her development of the full knowledge and skills set for musicianship. My playing of ALL my instruments has leapt forward in the last 3 years since I got meself out to sessions and open mikes, got playing with others and set myself a regime for learning. In a way, I see TAB as being like using SatNav; if you rely on it alone a dependency builds and it can prevent the development of your own navigational skills which allow for more interesting and varied journeys. I can see its value in large group jams, and for beginners who may benefit from learning in that way (and Robin makes a very good point that we all learn in different ways so we must not enforce our own way as the only one!)

TAB still has some uses in my musical journey:I use TAB for a memory jogger, and I sometimes TAB out songs and tunes I have learned by ear or have in SMN, so that I can work out the smoothest "finger choreography" for the MD fretboard. As a mainly chord/ melody player this has proved to be really useful.

Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
01/13/12 08:28:25AM
420 posts



Interesting discussion!

When I started with the dulcimer 25 years ago I had played the guitar for many years. I either learned by guitar pieces by ear or by music (SMN.) I hated guitar tab, even though I had a couple of books which used it (along with SMN.) However, when I got my dulcimer, I bought tab books. I didn't try to read SMN; I played either by tab or by ear.

Now, coming back to the dulcimer after about a 10 year lay off, I find myself using SMN rather than tab. I'll use tab as guide if SMN isn't available and I now can read it perhaps better than I did 25 years ago. However, it is still a guide on the way and not the end of the journey. It's useful but not necessary. I have seen people who cannot without the tab or continue, after playing the song for years maybe, to play it exactly like the original tab. As a classical guitarist I know it's totally correct to play the musical score exactly as written, but the good players interpret what is written. They make it their own.

Which brings me to my point (if I have one.) Whatever you use, TAB, SMN, ABC, it's all a tool to do one thing: MAKE MUSIC. Any written notation is not the "music" it's a representation of the music and should be considered as a friendly guide to assist you along the way to the tune. The tune comes from your head and your hands and your heart, so whatever it takes to get those acting together (and in harmony) is a good thing. For me, if I were get a "do over" I probably wouldn't buy nearly as much tab as I did. I would find the music I like and play it and play it and play it.

So.... to answer your question, any written helps are a starting point around which you build YOUR version of a song/tune. Try to develop your ear because some TABS are going to be different from what you're hearing on a recording. It doesn't matter whether it was because someone was careless in their copying of a tab/music score or whether they were just wrong in the notes, the notation won't match what you're hearing. Listen carefully and compare, then play it the way you feel it!

Rob

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
01/13/12 03:39:48AM
239 posts



This has been a great thread

I'm getting so much from it about how others prefer to learn. I have a complete beginner turning up for a lesson today and what I don't want to do is to just teach the way that "I" like to learn because there's a very good chance that they will have a very different learning preference to me!!!!!!

Just a bit about learning by ear - I do regularly "forget" tunes and need a memory jog to get them back. Folk who play by TAB seem to reach for that as a memory jog. I just need to hear a little phrase of the tune to bring it back to me. I often can't remember how some tunes start but there may well be a littlememorablephrase somewhere in the tune and if I can pick that up then I quickly have the whole tune.

I think that remembering tunes is a skill rather than a tallent - If it is something that you practice doing then it does get easier. But I can't saythat playing by earis easybecause, like any skill, I find it a constant struggle to improvemy listening skills.

Robin

Jim Fawcett
@jim-fawcett
01/11/12 03:10:47PM
85 posts



I use tabs to get me started, learn the song, then put it away. I can play just a little by ear, but i use the tabs. It's a great way for someone like me that can't read music, to play an instrument.

Randy Adams
@randy-adams
01/11/12 01:39:57PM
126 posts



Here is my quick synopsis on the process of learning an instrument.

- learn how to physically make noise on the instrument. (hold the instrument, hold the pick, position the left hand, strum the strings)

- learn how to play a musical sequence of notes

- play a song

- learn songs in the preferred genre

- hear a sequence of notes and be able to play them

- listen to a sequence of notes and play a facsimile thereof

- hear a song and play what you heard

- hear a song and play variations of what you heard

- play along in real time, anticipating intuitively where the melody will go

- write your own songs

- become rich and famous... : )...

These are not necessarily in order. Some people write their own songs right away and some can easily play a melody by ear. Some folks are already rich & famous. I am terrible at writing songs and/or creating new melodies and am well short of being rich and famous.

Tab is a wonderful aid to get started. I used tab to start learning. I was never very good at understanding the timing of it and seldom could learn a tune if I didn't already know how it went. But it got me going andtaught me a musical 'vocabulary'.Listening to lots of the kind of music you want to play is very important.

At some point in a timeline the tab needs to be set aside if you want to become a good player. There is a creative process going on somewhere in all of this and I suspect playing strictly from tab falls a bit short.It all depends on what your personal goals and capabilities are and how hard you want to work at it. For me the whole process has been and continues to be a lot of fun.

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
01/11/12 11:41:37AM
239 posts



Hi Many and Lisa,

Even I, a nonTAB user, can see the benefits of some form of shorthand to get you going (I actually quite like Folkfan's 0,1,2,3 etc over the words of a song!). A little difficult to explain this concept but I would use TAB (or a simple version of TAB) to get someone to have the physical experience of playing. Because without that physical experience of making nice sounds that are related to one another, learning to play by ear may not get started at all. I think that a few folk have said that they use TAB to get going on a piece and then put it to one side once they have mastered whatever phrase or passage they were having difficulty with - and I can understand this. As I said, I tend touse a recording of the tune I am learning in the same way - once I have learnt the piece I'll put the recording to one side. I see that some may then refer back to the TAB if they forget the tune - I will play the recording of the tune again if I forget it or want to improve on where I am with it.

When I have taught I have used some form of TAB if needed. Not pre-prepared TAB but simple TAB (like Folkfan's)written in the moment with the student so we can learn a little passage and then turn the TAB over and keep playing. Once the TAB is gone this frees up capacity (the capacity that wasused for reading) for the student to start noticing other aspects of music like rhythm or timing or note intervals. So I will admit to TAB being a useful tool - it is just not one that I have ever used for my own playing.

Skip
@skip
01/11/12 11:23:53AM
391 posts



My viewpoint, and I dabble a bit in each, not particularly good in any.

Visual; SMN for general or universal use, TAB for specific instrument, archives a specific variation of a tune/song.

Audio; storage devices [cd's, etc], individuals, archives a specific variation of a tune/song.

Both work, but not necessarily for everyone.

Each should be used as the situation indicates.

Stumalia hit the nail on the head in her blog.

john p
@john-p
01/11/12 11:21:49AM
173 posts



Never understood why it has to be one or the other, both are useful to my mind.

I like to play by ear wherever poss. and can do far more from a tune I know or a sound clip than I can from TAB, and quicker.

Fine, if you can find exactly what you want, but sometimes you can only find some SMN, convert to TAB and then learn it by ear.

Point being that you may never have learnt the tune in the first place without TAB, even though you don't need to use it anymore.

john p

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/11/12 09:56:26AM
2,425 posts



I wrote a blog post a while back called

"Tab....a blessing or an evil?"

Mandy
@mandy
01/11/12 09:38:13AM
140 posts



First, this is a great topic!

I have really mixed feelings about this subject. I started out playing a banjo several years back with absolutely NO CLUE how to make music. Learning in the online environment only I relied solely on tab to learn tunes. I knew maybe one or two old-time banjo tunes and that's it. Everything else I had never even heard before basically. So tab's helped me learn. I became a whiz at reading tab and could get a brand new tune memorized in no time flat. So I learned to completely copy and basically "puke-up" tab. This helped me to actually hit strings and make notes come out in some semblance of order. So in that way it helped me. I have nothing against tab and still use it as a helpful tool in learning tunes, but I do not rely on it at all.

So on the other hand I think me relying solely on tab also hindered my progress. After about 2 years of just TAB-puking (LOL), I started to see people online (youtube and elsewhere) who were taking a different approach. Right at about the same time I really started wanting to try and sing while playing. So these people were playing the chords to the song while singing (using very few of the actual melody notes of the song) and then they'd take breaks where they'd play the melody notes. I found this arrangement really pleasing and knew that this was the way for me to go if I wanted to sing along with playing. So I put tab to the side and would think of a song I wanted to do and I'd look up the guitar chords for that song. Then I'd start a basic bum-ditty (on banjo) using those chords and sing along. I'd also pick out (by ear) a simple break (solo, whatever it's called) of the melody notes of the song. Adding all that in together and transitioning from playing bum-ditty to just the melody notes and singing is all very challenging and TOTALLY FUN to me. So now I feel like in the past 6 months or so my musical journey has really advanced light years ahead of where I would be if I was still relying on tab.

So if I had it all to do over again I think I would start without tab at all basically. I can't hardly believe I'm saying that but in my personal experience I feel that the tab held me back and that I would have a better understanding of music theory if I would have started using that second approach I mentioned.

The wonderful thing IMO is that it is YOUR OWN JOURNEY. You get to choose how to go about it all. You can rely on tab just a bit, a bunch, or not at all. You can take many different approaches and all of them are correct IMO. The problem I would see is if someone after a couple years of playing did not want to advance beyond tab. I understand SOOOOO much more now that I can relatively easily pick out tunes once I hear them enough to know them. The freedom playing by ear gives is unimaginable IMO. I really wish I would have started that way, BUT and here's a big BUTT (LOL).

If I would have started without tab I may have gotten quickly discouraged and QUIT playing. So I really do feel like tab has a place, I just personally hope that people try later on to get beyond tab. The music world has just exploded for me once I started stepping out beyond tab and I would want that to happen for everyone.

Now I'm sure that there will be folks who think I'm wrong (and it would not be the first or last time on that) but my main point is that it's your own personal journey and NO ONE should have that much power over you to influence you and how you want to learn something. I spent several years on another site that shall remain nameless being stifled and told that most of what I was doing was wrong. Well BLAH is what I say to all that, there are no rules IMO. I was told I would hurt myself because of bad form playing banjo and that just makes me chuckle right now. That was just one of many things I was told.

Some great ideas have already been expressed here and it really is interesting to learn how other folks have gotten to where they are today. Like many wise folks have said in the past - there's more than one way to skin a cat.

folkfan
@folkfan
01/10/12 03:40:20PM
357 posts



One point that I'd like to make as to the advantage in using tab and/or SMN, is with group playing. When you are playing with a large group, either all dulcimers or mixed instruments, if there is some sort of music to play from, the group is all on the same page, so to speak. A player can memorize the music and then play without throwing off others by playing something that is totally his or her own.

I've heard large jams where the players are all doing their own thing, shall we say, and all the audience hears is cacophony. Imagine a symphony orchestra all playing by ear. Every musician playing something by Mozart, for example, that he or she has made his or her own. Can you see the horror in the conductor's face.

BethH
@beth-hansen
01/10/12 12:45:38PM
41 posts



All the tab that I currently use also have Standard Music Notation, so I am looking at that as well. My goal is to learn songs by heart, and I have a long history of reading music to learn songs from playing in band in grade school and singing in choirs in high school. To me the TAB is just a shorthand way of learning to play while figuring out which note is which on the fret board. I find it really easy to learn new songs this way, but I've also picked up a melody or two just by playing it because it's so familiar to me.

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/10/12 11:44:39AM
2,425 posts



I sometimes learn a song from looking at tab, but even then I usually have the song in my mind a little first from hearing it. Other times I just pick the song out on my fretboard and learn it without tab at all. One thing I like tab for is when I used to know how to play a tune and have forgotten it over the years- i like being able to use the old tab to refresh my memory. I also like to have tabs arranged by mode so I can be better organized when I help other people learn to play.

In other words, I sometimes use tab to help me start to learn how to play something, but I really dislike reading tab as I am playing. If I'm going to learn a tune, I will put in the effort to learn to play it without having to look at the tab while I play. After I can play something without tab, I wind up adapting it here and there to my own way of playing it- that's really the most fun part anyway.

I take the same approach to tab in my banjo playing as well- I have lots of banjo tabs that help me get started sometimes, but my goal is to then learn the tunes without looking at any tab.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/10/12 01:04:28AM
1,874 posts



Mitch, you will find that whereas Robin, who never uses tab, representsone extreme, the other is people who can only play when the tab is right in front of them. And there are a lot of dulcimer players like that. Obviously, whatever way of learning a tune works for someone is the right way for them, but I do think there is an over-reliance on tablature in the dulcimer community.

You are right to think of the tab as a fake book, and most of us use tab to get the basic idea of a song but then we rely on our ears and eyes to modify or embellish the tab and make it our own. However, there are other uses of tab that center not merely on the bare bones, but the embellished version itself. Stephen Seifert, for example, has indeed published his Join the Jam series which is like a fake book, but he has also put out his DVD lessons and other material where he has painstakingly created tab for his improvisational work. That use of tab is aimed at helping us find our own ways to embellish the basic songs. And some tab is intended to demonstrate arrangement possibilities. I bought a book of tab from Nina Zanetti in my efforts to learn to play fingerstyle dulcimer. The tab is helpful not to learn the melody, but to learn how to add notes around the melody in order to create a song that moves in a steady rhythm without strumming chords and still expresses and expands upon the melody.

I have used tab in the past and I still do, almost every day that I play. But I never rely on it and I need to have a song "in my head" in order to learn it. Personally, and perhaps this comes from having played the guitar for years, I begin by trying to understand the structure of a song. Is it in AABB form or perhaps ABAB? What are the chord progressions of each section? Once I know that the song has, for example, an 8-measure A part in D major which is repeated and an 8-measure B part that begins in Bm but resolves back to D major, then I begin to work on the melody. I might consult the tab (or SMN) to get a sense of that basic structure or perhaps to help with some difficult parts of the tune. But for me personally, I have to hear the song in order to make use of the tab, and I end up learning more by listening than by looking at tab.

And once I learn a song, I never refer to tab again and take pleasure in the fact that my playing strays further from the tab as I play the song, hopefully creating a version that is really mine and not the creation of whoever wrote that tab that helped me in the beginning.

Melissa PNW
@melissa-pnw
01/09/12 11:18:47PM
4 posts



What Robin said--I don't use tab, because adding another layer confuses me. I think in t erms of intervals and notes, and having to translate to numbers takes too much time. I learn by ear or with SMN.
Robin Clark
@robin-clark
01/09/12 05:28:33PM
239 posts



Good topic Mitch,

I don't use TAB at all. I prefer to "catch" tunes from CDs or other musicians. When I first started playing I watched other dulcimer players on YouTube and copied them, and so had a mix of vision and sound as my guide. But most of my new tunes now come from recordings made by fiddlers or banjo players. I use audacity sometimes to slow some tracks down if I'm having difficulty catching a phrase. Sometimes I use SMN to follow the rhythm or rise and fall of a phrase - I follow the SMN while listening to the piece to give me a mental "picture" of the tune. But TAB leaves me cold - it requires too much "thought" to be useful. I need to build up direct nuro links between sound and my physical movements to play fast and clean or to fit tunes with other musicians (adaptability). The lengthyTABprocess ofsight/cognitive processing/movement/sound is too restrictive and too darn slow to be useful to me. At least SMN uses non verbal patterns and so takes up less mental capacity (once learned) leaving more head room for actual playing. SMN also has way more usefulinformation than TAB.

Personally, I think that TAB sould carry a health warning (Warning - using TAB can seriously damage your playing) BUT so many folk swear by TAB that there must be something really atractive in it for them. I know I'm in a very small minority but TAB has simply passed me by LOL !!!!!

Now, if anyone want's to learn to play by ear, I'm more than happy to give a few pointers on how to do that

Robin

folkfan
@folkfan
01/09/12 04:48:45PM
357 posts



Mitch, The question with regards to tab for me has sort of yes and no answer. So let me take it in steps.

One: I start with a song that I can sing. I don't even bother trying to learn tunes as I need something to hang a melody on.

Two: Once I have a song in mind, I go looking for sheet music to get the general fretting pattern. As playing by ear eludes me, I need to see the notes to match to the rhythm in my head to fret numbers.

Three: When I have the fret numbers, I go to my word processing program and put in the words to the song with the frets.

Four: After playing and rearranging notes to fit the song as closely as possible to what I hear being sung in my head or on recording, I end up with my tab. Since I have a very poor memory when it comes to learning to play a song, I put the tab in a notebook and play it from that. Occasionally, I will actually remember a songs fret patterns, and be able to play it without looking. But this is a rare occurrence.

An example of my tab. So, I guess I'd have to say, No I don't learn tunes by playing tabs. I don't learn tunes at all. But I end up with a sort of cheat sheet type of tab so that I can play the song that I've learned to sing by hearing it, and can play by seeing it.

And to the second part of your question on style, I play a simple strum to the rhythm of my singing. So my mood determines my playing style is the way I think of it.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
01/09/12 04:47:36PM
2,157 posts



I figure out tunes by listening to them over and over and over until I can sing/hum or whistle the whole thing. Then I start to pick it out on the melody string, and as I go, I write that down (tab) simply as a memory device. After a few days of playing the tune (mostly without the tab) the written tab just disappears... Once a tune is in my head and fingers I can play it with emphasis and variations, making it "mine". I'd guess I've got a couple hundred tunes in my head, plus those that i don't know that I know yet.

BethH
@beth-hansen
01/09/12 04:25:54PM
41 posts



I'm fairly new to playing, less than a year, and I am using TAB for just about everything. There are some songs that I've changed the TAB on to suit my ability as a beginning player, like changing the A chord from 4-0-1 to 1-0-1 for example. There are also some TAB that I've changed up a little because I didn't like the way it sounded, it's just an intuitive thing. As far as developing style, I guess my decisions will likely evolve into one, but I have a long way to go as I'm still learning the ropes!


updated by @beth-hansen: 02/14/16 12:06:01AM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/20/12 08:24:50PM
1,874 posts

dulcimer gender studies


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Funny. A banjo named Lola just seems wrong for some reason. Jed, OK, but Lola?And Mr. Fiddles works for acartoon violin. Wally works for me, especially if it's a baritone or bass dulcimer.

Kimberly Moore said:

As far as the gender is concerned, I'm not sure why I refer to my dulcimer as a he. Actually, I refer to my fiddle as Mr. Fiddles. The banjo I play, however, is namedLola.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/16/12 12:04:40PM
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Dana, can we assume that Curly Sue is a girl and was not inspired by the Shel Silverstein/Johnny Cash song "A Boy Named Sue?"

Dana R. McCall said:

My baritone's name is Curly Sue because of the really pretty curly maple she is made of.

Dana R. McCall
@dana-r-mccall
01/16/12 08:35:57AM
168 posts

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My baritone's name is Curly Sue because of the really pretty curly maple she is made of.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/16/12 02:03:28AM
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How about Nutmeg , since Connecticut is the Nutmeg State?

I originally thought it odd to name instruments. I never named by guitar, my 12-string guitar, or my mandolin. But it's easy enough to say "the Guild" or "the 12-string." It's a lot harder to say "my six-string baritone dulcimette by Ron Ewing."

My sense is that folks who have lots of dulcimers give them names, but if you only have one, there is no need. When I was in college I had a cat named TC for "the cat." I saw no reason for a real name since it was the only cat in the household. I only named my first dulcimer when it became my first dulcimer, meaning when I got a second one. When it was the only one I had, it was just "my dulcimer."

But my question here is about gender. Why is your bike female? Why are most dulcimers female? Maybe they are not. The hourglass shape definitely seems feminine to me, but a teardrop? I don't know.

And what about Jim's football-shaped dulcimer? Maybe he should call it "Jim Pluck-it." [For those who don't know, Jim Plunkett was a Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback with Stanford University who went on to win two Super Bowls with the Oakland Raiders back in the 70s and early 80s.]


B. Ross Ashley said:

That's odd, I never thought to name my dulcimer ... my bike is Madama Butterfly, because she is an Italian/Taiwanese hybrid (a Bianchi Boardwalk, built in Taiwan about 1987.) I probably ought to name the dulci. Hmmm. It's a stock Connecticut-built 1989 Folkcraft cherry teardrop.

Cherry Poptart? Yeah, right.

B. Ross Ashley
@b-ross-ashley
01/16/12 01:14:38AM
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That's odd, I never thought to name my dulcimer ... my bike is Madama Butterfly, because she is an Italian/Taiwanese hybrid (a Bianchi Boardwalk, built in Taiwan about 1987.) I probably ought to name the dulci. Hmmm. It's a stock Connecticut-built 1989 Folkcraft cherry teardrop.

Cherry Poptart? Yeah, right.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/15/12 02:18:30PM
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There's got to be a name in your description, Judy: "beautiful honey blond buttery color." That sounds like a girl to me.

Judy said:

Fun topic! I just got mine and haven't thought of a name yet. I'd love some suggestions. She (or he) is made of cherry and sitka spruce-a beautiful honey blond buttery color. I'm anxious to hear everyone's names

folkfan
@folkfan
01/06/12 04:10:23PM
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Got one named Mae for Mae West. An early Berg with a very curvaceous body and wasp waist. Other than that, I have Magic, Comet, Thistle, Dearheart, Irish, Ivy (ivy leaves for soundholes) Flame, Flair, Starbright etc. These are all based on the soundhole pattern.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/06/12 05:33:51AM
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Please don't be offended. It's late andI'm a goofball.

Today my daughter said to me, "Daddy, I think you should give at least one of your dulcimers a boy's name. They can't all be girls." (Let's see, Rosa, Queenie, Lucinda, well she's a tomboy . . . )

If she were older, I might have responded, "But the curves, honey, the curves are just so . . . so . . . voluptuous and alluring."

And whoever said "Dragonfly" was a girl anyway?

And she named her dulcimer (an Eedy Beede with dolphin sound holes) "Splash!" A splash ain't got no gender, does it?

Among those of you who name your dulcimers, have you chosen male names, female names, or a combination? Has anyone stuck to those gender-neutral names like Carmen, Pat, Chris, or Alex?

Guitars have always been hermaphroditic, with a female body and a phallic neck. What about dulcimers? (And don't get me started on trombones!)


updated by @dusty: 07/31/23 10:31:50PM
Dewey Parker
@dewey-parker
02/09/12 03:05:16PM
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I cannot encourage you strongly enough to have the 1 1/2 fret added to your dulcimer! It opens so many doors. I usemine somewhere in virtually every song I play. I'll bet you will find that you do, too!

McSpadden makes a nice dulcimer. Some have more voice than others, of course, so it would be nice if you could play it first. However, short of going to the factory, you can only try one at a music shop or a festival. I hope you will consider trying one before you buy it. A number of my friends have not and were disappointed.

Good luck!

Dewey

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
01/06/12 11:09:18AM
239 posts



Hi Barbara,

Yes - the Ionian set melody strings (0.012)can be tuned up to "d". It is something that I do all the time. They are stiffer than 0.010 strings but quite managable really. I quite like to run 3 strings on my McSpaddens by taking off the inner melody string to end up with 0.022 bass, 0.012 middle and 0.012 melody. It then becomes very easy to play in all types of playing style and tunings like that and has a very sweet, uncluttered"old time" sound. I think that those standard McSpaddens are a great workhorse - not the prettiest or most fancy dulcimer out there but alovely pragmatic musician's instrument and very versatile.

Robin

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
01/06/12 08:23:28AM
239 posts



Hi Barbara,

I would echo what has been said here. I really wouldn't worry too much about getting a compensated bridge. McSpadden untertake the compensation because the string gauges they use for a pureD,A,dd set-up have a 4 gauge difference between the middle and melody strings. Because of this the middle string (a 0.014)pulls just a fraction sharper higher up the fretboard than the melody strings (0.010). But it is very, verymarginal and the reality is you can compensate with your initial tuning and playing style if your bridge is flat across (like 90% of us end up doing). Also, the standard Ionian strings that McSpadden fit (0.022, 0.012, 0.012, 0.012) for D,A,Awill go to D,A,dd with no problem anyway - and the compensation is even less necessary in that set-up.

The McSpadden bridge compensation is the "perfect" for D,A,dd and one specific string gauge set. A flat non-compansated bridge is the "perfectly acceptable" for all types of set-up and playing styles.

Regarding woods - Simply be led by your ears, hands and eyes when you go to choose your new dulcimer. All those standard McSpaddens are great instruments so just pick the one that really talks to you and you won't go wrong. There are differences between the various woods and also differences between two dulcimers build of the same woods because no two pieces of wood are identical- so just choose the one that feels right for you.

Robin

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/05/12 12:52:41PM
2,425 posts



From what I have read from actual McSpadden owners, the bridge compensation does not make a very noticeable audible difference. Most dulcimers do not have compensated bridges and they sound pretty good. I myself wouldn't worry too much about it.

Every McSpadden I have ever heard sounds awesome- and most of them probably have 'regular' bridges.

Linda I. Vickers
@linda-i-vickers
01/05/12 11:05:10AM
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Barbara, If you choose to call McSpadden, they are very helpful with questions like this. Never hurts to ask FOMD members for additional input to weigh your decision. Know you'll enjoy your new dulcimer. Linda

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
05/14/13 03:55:32AM
239 posts



Paul you are right - the relief (or lack of it) on the fretboard will effect the action, feel and over all playability of a dulcimer. I do somewhere around 200 to 300 resonator guitar set-ups per year - fret leveling, setting relief, cutting nuts and cutting new bridges. And, to get it right, the sequence is relief first, then nut and then bridge. With a dulcimer the player can do nothing about the instrument's relief, unless you want to take off all the frets and sand and re-finish the fretboard !!!! The best playing dulcimers I get through my shop are those with just a touch of relief in the fretboard. I get to compare a lot of instruments side by side so feel pretty justified in saying that a little relief makes a big difference. You can run a lower action at the 7th and still have a beautifully clean playing instrument for chord melody style if there is a touch of relief in the fretboard.

BUT NOTER DRONE IS DIFFERENT FOR ME - Having a touch of relief remains the same - I want that on all my dulcimers. However, I run a much higher action at both nut and bridge. I want absolute clarityfrom my melody string, working off an in-strum lead and using very stiff picks (quills of wood strummer). I've just measured my own noter drone specific instruments - the ones where I have cut new nuts and bridges to set the action to suit my playing style - and my prefered action is way, way higher than nickle and dime. For example the Prichard replica I have, which I cut a new nut and bridge for, has an action of 1.5mm 'above' the first fret (I could sit a dime on top of the fret) and 3mm above the 7th. I'm using 0.013 gauge piano wire for the melody string on that instrument. I have an old dulcimer with the action even higher but the fret pattern is visibly shifted to the left on that dulcimer and the first fret even more so. With a fret pattern set by ear on older dulcimers you often see this shifted 1st fret - and it is due to the nut height that the early players would use. I see that Bobby Ratliff at Slate Creek Dulcimers, who builds noter drone specific instruments, fits a floating bridge so players can intonate the melody string if they change action height or string gauges or tuning tension. It is a very good idea as I certainly need my VSL slightly longer than the VSL of the fret scale. Kevin Messenger builds this fret pattern shift into his Prichard replicas. Because pretty much all contemporary dulcimers are designed around D,A,d and chord melody playing the bigger volume builders standardise their action, string gauges and pitch intonation around set parameters. This is why if you tune the open strings of many contemporary dulcimers to exactly D,A,A and play with a noter the darn instrument plays sharp So us noter drone players end up tuning the drones against the fretted root note on the melody string (the 'd' at the 3rd fret) and accept that our melody string open A will be slightly flatter than our drone string open A

So, coming back to string height, no one set height will suit every dulcimer or player. However, you can't just change the string height or gauges or tunings and expect all to be perfect. And, if you do get a comission for a build from a noter drone player have a think about the implication on the fret pattern that running a higher action and higher string gauge will have. And don't forget that a noter drone player doesn't need equal temperament fretting as they are not playing across the strings fret against fret - you could opt for a mean tone or just intonation or quarter-comma meantone or simply set the frets by ear

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
05/14/13 12:10:04AM
242 posts



It's a good idea to put a straight edge on the fret board first, to check for high frets, or any up or down curve in the fret board itself. If all is well, I start by lowering the nut, and get th1st fret string height close to what I want, then lower the bridge to get the octave measurement. If necessary, I adjust the nut a slight bit more, but it isn't usually much. The nickle/dime dimensions work well, but if US coins aren't available, you might have to resort to actual measuring devices, at least to measure local coins.

Paul

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
05/13/13 10:05:26PM
2,157 posts



What Robin said, and I tried to express-- take a little off one end, then a little off the other until you get down to the nickel & dime. That's a good starting point, but as Robin also points out some players like even lower actions, and some much higher.

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