Forum Activity for @strumelia

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/23/24 01:42:28PM
2,403 posts

Looking for tabs/books devoted to old style drone & noter playing


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

I just updated this useful thread by removing some older links to defunct web pages.

BTW it's very easy to buy Jean's original Dulcimer Book (as Wildcat pictured below) on Amaz*on. Don't overlook buying USED copies of it for sale there as well, to save yourself a few bucks.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
01/23/24 01:27:53PM
1,553 posts

Looking for tabs/books devoted to old style drone & noter playing


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

If you'd like to hear Jean talking a bit about her life and her approach to playing, I recommend these: 

https://www.homespun.com/profile/Jean%20Ritchie

https://folkways.si.edu/jean-ritchie/the-appalachian-dulcimer-an-instructional-record/music-instruction/music/album/smithsonian

Also, search Jean on YouTube and you'll discover many wonderful recordings.  


updated by @robin-thompson: 01/23/24 01:29:11PM
John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
01/23/24 01:21:50PM
445 posts

Looking for tabs/books devoted to old style drone & noter playing


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

Yes, Frank, that's the CLASSIC Jean Ritchie dulcimer instruction book.  It was one of the first, if not the first book on the dulcimer.  Much good information to be discovered in it.  Jean also wrote "Jean Ritchie's Dulcimer People" and several other books.  Her personal story about growing up is in "Singing Family of the Cumberlands" and is well worth having in your library.

Wildcat
@wildcat
01/23/24 01:11:40PM
21 posts

Looking for tabs/books devoted to old style drone & noter playing


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

I like this topic, lots of good info. I've also been poking around the @strumelia  blog . Great stuff, thank you all.

Is this the Jean Ritchie book I should purchase that's mentioned here?

Thanks,

Frank

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
01/23/24 02:06:30AM
67 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

The diverse regional variations, such as the flatvele and venleg vele in the north and east, and the distinctive Hardanger fiddle in the south and west, showcase the rich musical heritage.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/22/24 09:15:46PM
1,337 posts

Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Frank, you can't go wrong with a Warren May dulcimer. I have one, an all walnut. hourglass. Aren't kids something. My son came to me when he was about eleven or twelve and asked me I could teach him some chords on the guitar. By the end of that summer he was playing better than me. I became a roadie for his band when he was in high school. He went to Berklee College of Music in Boston and majored in film scoring and his primary instrument was guitar. He's a professional musician out in Los Angeles. Enjoy your new dulcimer. 

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Wildcat
@wildcat
01/22/24 08:10:38PM
21 posts

Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

@richard-streib. I certainly will take some pictures and post. Yes, thanks to FOTMD,  I've read about the issue with the cold temperatures and letting the instrument acclimate to room temperature. When speaking with Gail over the phone today,  we discussed the issue as well. She was also kind enough to text me a video about going from daa to dad tuning if I  choose to.

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
01/22/24 07:28:08PM
276 posts

Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Frank, Warren builds wonderful dulcimers both in aesthetics and sound. I know you will enjoy playing it. Post some pictures when you receive it.

A hint: when it arrives if it is cold there, take it inside and let it acclimate to room temp in the box for a couple of hours before opening it. The hardest couple of hours for sure to tolerate.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
01/22/24 06:30:31PM
1,553 posts

Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Warren May builds lovely instruments, lovely both in looks and in sound.  Happy strumming, @wildcat !  

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/22/24 06:00:57PM
2,403 posts

Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Welcome to FOTMD  @wildcat.  That's a really pretty dulcimer you bought!  Warren May is a respected maker, I'm sure you will be pleased.  sun

Wildcat
@wildcat
01/22/24 05:31:00PM
21 posts

Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hello everyone, Wildcat here.  My real name is Frank, but I've been using Wildcat online since the long ago days of AOL. 

I grew up in Ulster County NY, with Illinois Mountain as my backyard. I married my high school sweetheart and we raised 2 children and now we have a granddaughter.  19 years ago we moved to the Lake George region of NY.  Six months or so ago we moved to Peru, NY with our jobs and we are looking to buy a home. Time will tell...

My son is a talented guitar player and I was a very untalented one! Three cords and the truth... campfire stuff done poorly,  but I enjoyed it. My wrist and hand started to make things difficult and I stopped playing. 

I really missed it and some time ago I started searching for something easier, eventually finding the dulcimer and the noter style of playing and here I am. I'm hoping to learn as much about playing in a variety of ways as time goes on. 

Remembering the "pain" of my first guitar (cheap!) I vowed not to do that again and after a lot of reading and researching, today I purchased a Warren May dulcimer.  You can find me sleeping by the mailbox waiting for this...

Thanks for having me and thanks in advance for all the help. 

Wildcat
@wildcat
01/21/24 04:21:41PM
21 posts

Moment with the Master, Warren May!


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

That was a wonderful video,  thanks for sharing.  I'm hoping to purchase a dulcimer from Mr May tomorrow morning over the phone. 

jost
@jost
01/21/24 02:54:23PM
77 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I own a score books with pieces Compostela by Michael Praetorius. Although he considered the scheitholt a "Lumpeninsttument" ( beggars instrument ), his pieces ( especially the Gavotte dances) work quite well. The score book and arrangements  were published by Wilfried Ullrich and are available from him.

So although there might no classic pieces written for the dulcimer there are enough, who work quite well.

I'm still trying to get this Mozart piece right:

https://thesession.org/tunes/7077

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
01/20/24 01:07:18PM
1,553 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

A couple cool links: 

https://youtu.be/uQaLuklN73Q?si=zt632ssDhTAiSg8d

https://www.conniellisor.com/orchestra/blackberry-winter

It is to be noted the traditional tune Blackberry Blossom is foundational to the piece.  


updated by @robin-thompson: 01/20/24 01:51:29PM
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/19/24 09:05:40PM
1,337 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

And Steve also played it with "the Charlotte Symphony Orchestra, the Tucson Symphony Orchestra, the Montpelier Chamber Orchestra, the Knoxville Symphony, and many others" according to his website.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/19/24 08:52:56PM
2,403 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

David Schnaufer " brought the Tennessee music box into the classical arena with Blackberry Winter, a concerto for the Tennessee music box, mountain dulcimer and orchestra which he wrote with Conni Elisor, Nashville composer and arranger. Delcimore, Schnaufer's 1998 CD, features this beautiful piece of music played by the Columbus, Georgia symphony."

https://dulcimerarchive.omeka.net/schnaufer

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
01/19/24 06:51:32PM
276 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Ken Hulme:

There have never been any 'classical works' written for the Appalachian dulcimer either.  Leonard Bernstein has been bust with other projects.   IMHO "lower class peasant instrument" is a bit harsh.  No, they were not instruments of the major cities -- Vienna, Paris, Milan -- nor were they "favored" by the hoi polloi of those cities and cultures.  But that doesn't make them 'lower class peasant instruments'.  

I so agree kenH. !!
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
01/19/24 06:43:32PM
2,157 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

There have never been any 'classical works' written for the Appalachian dulcimer either.  Leonard Bernstein has been bust with other projects.   IMHO "lower class peasant instrument" is a bit harsh.  No, they were not instruments of the major cities -- Vienna, Paris, Milan -- nor were they "favored" by the hoi polloi of those cities and cultures.  But that doesn't make them 'lower class peasant instruments'.  

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/19/24 06:06:38PM
1,337 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Yes, we do tend to wander. I'm gad you found the rambling answers to your questions informative. 

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

DavisJames
@davisjames
01/19/24 03:27:06PM
32 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

The replies to my initial enquiry have been great and informative...somehow it travelled from the dulcimer to the langeleik,etc...Then through that to "Hangman's Reel"...After listening to a lot of Scandinavian music in the 70's,I figured that Quebecois people inherited a lot of northern music[open tunings,uneven rhythms] through their Norman antecedents ...very far-fetched...then I surmised that metis and native people perhaps played open tunings and odd rhythms because of the influence of Hudson Bay company factors from Orkney[once a Norwegian colony]...very far-fetched....The one common factor about the scheitholt,hummel,langeleik[perhaps not the mountain dulcimer]....they seem to have been regarded as lower class peasant instruments.....there are no classical works for the scheitholt,to my knowledge plus you don't have to take lessons from age four to get good at it...I like that!

Strumelia
@strumelia
01/19/24 09:11:10AM
2,403 posts

Central Fl dulcimer festival, February, 2024


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Jim Dickens:How can we get this event added to the “Events” tab?
 

I believe one of the event organizers is @Dennis-Waldrop , who is a member here.


He would have to add the event to FOTMD's Festivals section. It's not difficult to do, but I do ask that it be done by someone who is involved in running the event.


Meanwhile, here is the facebook page for this event, if that helps: https://www.facebook.com/groups/448674886231259

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
01/19/24 03:34:15AM
67 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

What a fascinating glimpse into the musical history of Norway! The evolution of musical instruments often mirrors the changing cultural landscapes.

Jim Dickens
@jim-dickens
01/18/24 08:35:32PM
1 posts

Central Fl dulcimer festival, February, 2024


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I will be there Friday. Mostly just hanging out with the vendors. How can we get this event added to the “Events” tab?

jazzc
@jazzc
01/18/24 10:00:24AM
14 posts

Central Fl dulcimer festival, February, 2024


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I'd like to meet some fellow fomd members at the Mt. Dora festival coming up in early Feb.  Are any of you planning to attend?

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/17/24 02:58:18PM
1,337 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thank you Jost. I appreciate your posting those links to information about the langleik. That is interesting reading. I especially liked learning about the tuning of the langleik to the key of A. We have a state park not too far from me that is named after Ole Bull. That part of Pennsylvania had many Norwegian immigrants working in the lumber industry. I haven't discovered any references to the langleik among the lumbermen, but there are references to the dulcimer, but in this case it is the hammered dulcimer.

 Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

jost
@jost
01/17/24 01:54:17PM
77 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Ken Longfield:

Yes, those are excellent books and must reads for folks who want to learn about mountain dulcimer history and context. One part of your question we have not addressed is the use of European predecessors of the mountain dulcimer. Wilfried Ulrich addresses some of this in his book  The Story of the Hommel . There are many such instruments in museums in Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, etc.Unfortunately I am not aware of English translations of literature that describes how folks used these instruments. What is clear is that they were "folk" instruments and not considered to be of great value musically. Again, they were mostly played by folks in their own homes for their own enjoyment. 



At least Wilfried Ulrichs book is available in English from himself:


http://www.ulrich-instrumente.de/kontakt-links-impress/


https://hogfiddle.blogspot.com/2011/05/wilfried-ulrich-story-of-hummel.html 

Some of the information is also available on his website (in German though so you might want to use a translation service like Google Translate, deepl etc). 


Now according to Ullrich one of the oldest references of an hommel is the use in a procession (propably with a kind of strap). He also displays a hommel which was built by a carpenter named Adolf Hilke who played it in the local dances until the concertina and accordion took over at the beginning of the 20th century (they were louder than the hommel thus getting more popular soon). 
Now my own hommel and galax dulcimers both are quite loud so I guess the actual volume might depend a little bit of the way of building and circumstances.

The norwegian langleik ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langeleik ) is interesting as a kind of edge case: It was mainly played by women who tended their livestock on mountain meadows during the summer in their bothys. According to the German wikipedia:


Quote:
Langeleik traditionally falls within the sphere of activity of women. In rural regions, women spent the summer with the cattle on the high pastures (soeter). Here a special genre of songs arose in connection with everyday tasks. Certain songs, called smørbon, describe the making of butter, and there were melodic calls for goats (geitlokkar), cows (kulokkar) or to communicate with the shepherds (laling, huving) over long distances. In the early evening, the women were busy with handicrafts on the soeter or performed instrumental pieces (lydarslåttar) with langeleiks. Later in the evening they played for social dances. Concerts and accompanying dances remained the two areas in which the Langeleik was used.
Written sources from the end of the 17th century mention regular Sunday evening concerts at which women played Langeleik. Nevertheless, there were a few men who became known as professional Langeleik players. Ragnhild Viken (around 1810-1895) was a professional Langeleik player who performed at markets and festivities. She taught the instrument to her son Johannes Viken (1844-1936), who also became a well-known musician. Berit Pynten (1809/1812-1899/1900), who lived in a farmstead in Valdres, was just as highly regarded. In the 1880s, she received a visit from Edvard Grieg in her low hut, who had her play for him and notated her dance songs on paper. Grieg and other Norwegian composers in the 19th century studied folk music, which they valued as an element of national culture. Berit Pynten is said to have had a small dancing doll attached to her right hand with a string while she played.[10]
In the course of the 17th century, various forms of the violin emerged, which took over the two areas of use of the Langeleik and gradually pushed it back into its core area. The European stringed instrument spread under the names flatvele ("flat violin") and venleg vele ("common violin") mainly in the north and east of the country, while the Hardanger fiddle (hardingfele) with an additional four or five resonant strings under the fingerboard has been played in almost unchanged form in the south and west since around 1700.

The music played on the Langeleik is divided into dance songs and melodies for listening. The dance songs include the lively and fast dance style halling, named after its home region Hallingdal, the ganger and, in Valdres, Hallingdal and Telemark, the springar, which is played in a strict asymmetrical ¾ time. Several composers adopted the rhythm and melodic forms of springar, including Edvard Grieg in his folk music adaptation Jon Vestafes Springdans Opus 72/2. Grieg was preceded in the popularization of folk music by the violinist Ole Bull (1810-1880) and the composer Ludvig Mathias Lindeman (1812-1887). Lindeman's extensive collection of Norwegian folk songs Ældre og nyere norske Fjeldmelodier ("Older and Newer Norwegian Mountain Melodies") appeared in twelve volumes between 1853 and 1863, with a follow-up volume published in 1867. According to the Norwegian pianist Einar Steen-Nøkleberg, his piano arrangement of the dance piece Springlått contains typical Langeleik tone sequences to be played by the left hand[12] .


Concertante pieces of music belong to the group of klokkeslåtter or huldreslåtter ("Huldrenmelodien", Huldra is a beautiful girl related to the trolls in Scandinavian mythology)[13] .


 

From https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langeleik#Verbreitung translated with deepl. 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langeleik#Verbreitung

I think these are interesting in quite a different ways: First that the norwegian folk musik has another drone instrument (the harding fiddle), second that the instruments were used for dancing tunes as well as tunes for listening.  Third: The langleik is usually tuned in a A major tuning ( see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langeleik ). Now the funny thing is that the reel de pendu/hangmans reel  is actually a norwegian tune called Fandens polsdans (meaning something like pole dance of the damned/hell pole dance/devils pole dance) although norwegian fiddlers play it a lot slower:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HQnPZpJHY 

Now this tune is usually played in the key of A so I guess that although it's mostly known as a fiddle tune (in the old and new world) it was also played on langleiks. Or at least the langleik tuning would explain why it was composed in the key of a in the first played, the anonymous composer propably knew the key quite well from his evening dwellings. On the other hand harding fiddle players used a lot of different tunings (up to twenty according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardanger_fiddle ) so my idea might be a little bit far fetched. 

However my take on the matter is that although the hommel/langleik/langspil/dulcimer was mostly an instrument for playing for your own enjoyment (be it just for listening tunes or accompiement) at home (or your cabin on Norwegian/appalachian  mountains ;) ) it wasn't limited. When the opportunity arose, they were probably also played for dancing too. 

Just my two cents, Jost.

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
01/17/24 07:27:04AM
67 posts

12 String Guitar


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Jim Yates:

Here's one I learned from The King Of The 12-String Guitar, Lead Belly.  Alabamy Bound
I love playing the call & response.


Jim Yates:

Here's one I learned from The King Of The 12-String Guitar, Lead Belly.  Alabamy Bound
I love playing the call & response.


 

I love that warm sound 12 string guitars make. Not to mention the additional details it adds to even the simplest chord change.

motormike
@motormike
01/15/24 06:25:16PM
16 posts

Any banjo players out there?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

If you're reading this, and you're a banjo fanatic,
there's a player you should seek out named Kyle Tuttle.
He and I shared a few motorcycle rides, and lived only a couple blocks apart.
A simple google search of his name will bring up a nice overview of his work.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/15/24 01:58:06PM
1,848 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Just yesterday I enjoyed a presentation by Aubrey Atwater at the Dulcimoon Virtual Dulcimer Festival on the playing styles of Jean Ritchie.  One important point that emerged was the way Jean accompanied her singing.  She neither played the melody on the dulcimer nor strummed chords (obviously), but played a "counter-melody."

Watch her play "Lord Thomas" here , paying attention to what she is doing on the melody string while she sings.  She is not playing a harmony in the way we understand it in modern pop music with parallel thirds or fourths that follow the melody, but rather a different melody, one less elaborate than the melody, but a different melody entirely that accompanies (or runs "counter" to) the song's melody.  If you keep watching the video to hear "The Cuckoo," you'll hear the same thing.

The counter melody style of play is similar but not identical to our modern use of harmony; it plays a role similar to chord play in hinting at harmonic changes underlying the melody; and it often offers "filler" licks in the interstices of the song's main melody. In other words, the dulcimer is playing three different roles as we define them in modern music.

This is quite a difficult style of play to master, and it has mostly been lost in modern dulcimer playing.  When we say that a traditional role of the dulcimer was used to accompany singing, I think it important to point out that it was done in this manner that is strikingly different than the way we use the dulcimer today. 

I would also like to point out Jean's right hand.  She is picking (mostly with her thumb), sometimes plucking only the melody string, sometimes plucking all the strings one-at-a-time, and sometimes strumming, either all the strings or the two drone strings after having plucked the melody string.  This style of play is far more varied than modern playing in which people assume you have to strum all the strings all the time.


updated by @dusty: 01/15/24 08:18:12PM
Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
01/15/24 09:09:35AM
1,337 posts

Installing built-in pick up for 2004 dulcimer?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

We are responding to a thread that is four years old. I'm not sure how popular the Cherub pickup is among mountain dulcimer players as I haven't been to any "live" festivals since the pandemic. Bear in mind that this is a pickup and not a microphone. It responds to vibrations created by the strings and any touch on the instruments surface. It clips on to the top of the dulcimer through a sound hole. It may not fit in narrow or small sound holes. I'd be interested in knowing how it works if anyone here uses one.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
01/15/24 08:53:11AM
2,157 posts

Installing built-in pick up for 2004 dulcimer?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Age of the instrument doesn't mean  thing when it comes to installing an after-market "built-in" mic.   Not anything you want to DIY for the first time.  

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
01/15/24 02:49:28AM
67 posts

Installing built-in pick up for 2004 dulcimer?


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

It seems like a Cherub pick-up/mic is really popular among dulcimer player.

DavisJames
@davisjames
01/14/24 04:37:04PM
32 posts

Traditional role of the mountain dulcimer.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thank you for all of the comments.All pieces of the puzzle.

steve104c
@steve104c
01/14/24 03:42:19PM
16 posts

Any banjo players out there?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Nate. You have a cool Uncle. That is a nice looking banjo. Last year bought a Deering Goodtime 2 banjo and later bought the Deering Goodtime Banjo/Ukulele. Love it. Easy to play and sounds a lot like a banjo.Steve B.


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DavisJames
@davisjames
01/12/24 06:07:04PM
32 posts

Backlog of wonderful music on FOTMD.


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I am amazed by the wealth of music available to listen to on the website going back 14 odd[whatever]years.Just a fabulous resource,the variety,the playing styles[all so individualistic which seems to be a trait of the mountain dulcimer]...I would feel quite bereft was this website not available anymore,it provides a sense of community and musical inspiration...

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
01/12/24 05:23:42PM
276 posts

Dulcimer Shipping


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I have shipped more with USPS than other shippers mostly out of convenience. I always pay for insurance and I am careful to pack the dulcimer well. Sometimes in a box inside a box.. I use lots of bubble pack. I usually loosen the strings as well. Label the outside of the box fragile--musical instrument. Hope that helps.

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
01/12/24 03:10:21PM
445 posts

Dulcimer Shipping


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I shipped a large Galax dulcimore from the Detroit area to St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada (Niagara Falls area) in a plywood box using Parcel Monkey.  I took it to a FedEx office nearby for them to send it with the label I printed for it.  Everything went well that time.

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