I'm sorry. Your photo is too large to see the dulcimer. I can't even read all of your post. Can you resize the photo and then repost it so we can help you with your question?
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
I play with a local mountain dulcimer club and we were discussing adding rounds to our music. If you play rounds, please respond with the title(s) of your favorite rounds. Thanks in advance.
I play with a local mountain dulcimer club & we were discussing adding rounds to our music. If you play rounds in your club, please respond with the title(s) of your favorite rounds. Thanks in advance
Sorry, one other question-- I have had this dulcimer hanging on my wall for years. Picked it up at a barn sale for a couple bucks 20 years ago. Made by Tony Ascrizzi in 1978. Any thoughts or insights. The top is cracked and always has been. Worth repairing?
Hello,
I am considering purchase of my first mountain dulcimer (well second if you could the one I bought at a barn sale for decoration, cracked top...)
I am new to the instrument. I currently play cape Breton style fiddle, and my primary violin was made by Canadian luthier Otis Thomas.
I love his work, and the dulcimer I am considering was made by him as well. He thinks heade it about 50 years ago but doesn't recall who commissioned it.
Asking price is 300 plus shipping which seems reasonable I think. I'm not too concerned about the price.
I do want to make sure it's the right set up for a beginner. I'm interested in finger picking but more generally at working towards proficiency. My wife is also interested in learning but doesn't have much experience with stringed instruments.
I don't know much about dulcimers and the various set ups. Will this one work?
I'm not too worried about compression pegs though I do wonder if they can be changed to whitener internal time tuner pegs.
Thoughts and insights appreciated!
Warmly,
Michael
@dwain-wilder, Yep, his dulcimer had both scallops and jumbo frets. To oversimplify, it think high end dulcimer players can be separated into two types, the mashers and the dancers. The mashers slam down the strings into the fret board, the dancers press the strings down so they touch the frets, but try not to push the string into the fret board. I can't say which is better as either type has a much better playing skill set than I do. Good idea about the fret slots. Scallop will weaken the top.
@ken-longfield Ken, I was considering cutting a string of wood with chamfers on both sides and gluing them to the fret board and then cutting the fret slots. Should accomplish the same thing.
@skip Skip, agreed, Any fret higher than the eight fret will need files.
Thanks all for your thoughts. I doubt I will get anything done for a couple months, but will post what I do, if I choose to work at it.
Matt, the other thing to consider is the string tension. If the dulcimer strings are under too much tension it will be hard to get them into the sweet spot. I have an excel spreadsheet that calculates the tension of any string at any pitch for a specified scale length. If you have that info send the sizes and pitches of each string and and I'll run that through my String Tension Calculator.
BTW, that excel spreadsheet is freely available to any who wish it.
I purchased a fretting slot saw blade from Stewmac. I went from dreading the fretsaw to gliding through cutting frets.
@ken-longfield Yea, cutting a dowel down sounds like a good plan.
@ken-longfield Ken, I was considering cutting a string of wood with chamfers on both sides and gluing them to the fret board and then cutting the fret slots. Should accomplish the same thing.
Thanks, Matt. That sounds like a lot less work. If you want a round top you could cut a dowel in half or sand it down. Using an overarm router and an extremely small straight cut bit you could rout out the slots for the frets. Just trying to imagine some possibilities.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
Well, the person I referenced did not have a problem with the scalloping with jumbo frets bending the notes. I'm sure the extra space would make bending easier.
I play several dulcimers with different vsl. When I move from a shorter to a longer vsl, my fingers tend to do down nearer the previous fret. If I don't press hard enough, I get fret buzz. //adjusting to play nearer the proper fret eliminates the buzz. I believe this is what is meant by the sweet spot. There is a larger space between two frets where you can press down and be sure there is no unwanted buzzing.
Like most of my builds, I like to experiment with different setups. I have heard of scalloping, but never tried. I will in some future build and wanted to hear thoughts on the best way to do it.
From my limited experience playing the tagelharpa/jouhikko (where you press the strings with the backs of your fingers to fret notes, but there is no fretboard to press the string to), I'd guess that pressing down the strings to a fretboard that was deepened down could very easily bend the notes. Most of us are used to feeling the fretboard there with the soft pads of our fingers without necessarily 'mashing' the strings. Of course, one could also use this to purposely create bending and vibrato effects.
I'm still not sure why scalloped frets would 'create a bigger sweet spot' between the frets (assuming one does not aggressively 'mash down' while fretting anyway). The fact that the note is created off the metal fret does not change. I always thought that scalloped frets on guitars were there to better facilitate bending the notes, as in blues or jazz playing. ?
@dwain-wilder, Yep, his dulcimer had both scallops and jumbo frets. To oversimplify, it think high end dulcimer players can be separated into two types, the mashers and the dancers. The mashers slam down the strings into the fret board, the dancers press the strings down so they touch the frets, but try not to push the string into the fret board. I can't say which is better as either type has a much better playing skill set than I do. Good idea about the fret slots. Scallop will weaken the top.
@ken-longfield Ken, I was considering cutting a string of wood with chamfers on both sides and gluing them to the fret board and then cutting the fret slots. Should accomplish the same thing.
@skip Skip, agreed, Any fret higher than the eight fret will need files.
Thanks all for your thoughts. I doubt I will get anything done for a couple months, but will post what I do, if I choose to work at it.
I had an opportunity to talk with a well known dulcimer couple. The gentleman showed me a fretboard he had made with scallops between the frets. He said this created a much larger sweet spot for fretting. The scallops worked well, but I could see they were a bit uneven. I am considering making a fretboard with scallops and am looking for ideas on how to smooth out the scallops. So, any thoughts on how to make smooth scallops between frets?
Are you considering making the scallops after fretting? or before? I would recommend scalloping afterward, as any error in marking and carving to the mark would be very obvious.
I would also advise taking a step taught me by the owner of Buck's County Music Shop: chamfer the edges of the fret slot outs to the width of the fret tang's barbs, so the barbs do not pull out surface wood during fret removal —no need to heat the fret, which always risks marring the fretboard. Future repairers and re-fretters will bless you, and the scallops will be preserved intact.
As for scalloping the fretboard, do you know why higher frets weren't chosen? That would effect the sweet spot as well, without the unusual effort.
For me it would depend upon how deep the scallops are. One method might be to use a variety of thickness of drum sanders. Another method would be to cut kerfs across the fretboard and then use a chisel to remove the wood left after sawing. You might need a file to smooth out the surface a little. Just a couple of quick things that come to mind.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
Sanding drum[s], round files, roundnose end mills [combined with flat cutting for the longer spaces]. Use sacrifice scrap wood on each side to prevent tear outs.
I had an opportunity to talk with a well known dulcimer couple. The gentleman showed me a fretboard he had made with scallops between the frets. He said this created a much larger sweet spot for fretting. The scallops worked well, but I could see they were a bit uneven. I am considering making a fretboard with scallops and am looking for ideas on how to smooth out the scallops. So, any thoughts on how to make smooth scallops between frets?
Jumbo frets are taller than normal frets which effectively lowers the action
Jumbo frets are taller than normal frets which effectively lowers the action
Generally w/ 4 string dulcimers the strings are thinner to lower the tension
I'll check it out.....thanks. I live in the east, and don't want to overcharge or Take a beating either. It's gotten so expensive!
Re shipping. Not exactly to answer the question posed. But a shipping suggestion.
I use a site called PirateShip. Free to join. They have discounted prices for UPS and USPS. Insurance and extra services are available if needed.
When listing a dulcimer for sale, and you get to the shipping costs part, can you simply put "actual shipping costs", and then let any interested buyer know exactly how much once they've provided their city and state? Thanks....
You're entirely welcome, friends! I'm glad to be able to contribute to a discussion now and then.
Thanks for all these neat details @john-c-knopf
Well, I wish I had paid closer attention to the details back in 1974 when I began my friendship with Lynn McSpadden. I didn't pay much attention to the kits or teardrop dulcimers at the time as I was enamored by the hourglass shape. I guess I built a half dozen or so of them before I started looking at building teardrops.
Ken
The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
(non-completed f-holes)
The reason I was so sure of the provenance of the dulcimer kit is that I used to study (and drool over) the brochures and catalogs that The Dulcimer Shoppe put out in the early 70s. And I remembered the shape of that model dulcimer (T8-W), and the non-completed f-holes, which drove me nuts! The builder had to complete the cutouts if they wanted proper f-holes.
I believe this dulcimer kit shares most of the parts of the M8-W kit that I bought as my FIRST dulcimer in 1974! That's right-- I've built all shapes and sizes of these critters for 50 years now.
I am unable to take any more photos, it was someone in the audience we were playing Christmas music for - who had it and I was speaking with him about it.
(Dulcimer Factory instrument ) they usually have a fatter sound box and a wider fret board but yes, a similar head.
It maybe too much of a mystery without me having it to further check & or photo
thanks guys
Okay, time to eat my words and apologize to John for doubting him. I went back and looked at McSpadden catalogs for the late 1970s and early 1980s and found that McSpadden produced a T-K4 kit based on there T-9W dulcimer. The catalog photo, which isn't very good, strongly resembles your dulcimer Marg. It should be approximately 35 1/2" long, 5 7/8" wide, and 2 1/2" deep. It describes the peg head as having "a single leprechaun shoe curl.
John, I think you nailed it. Again my apology for ever doubting you. You the man!
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
Your picture of the "bridge" end doesn't show enough to make good guesses about it. Two photos, top and side, could help.
A straight on side shot of the head might also help. There are, I think, quite a number of variations of that "leprechaun" shape when all builders are considered. We might match the profile.
The tuner set-up interests me. The wholes are drilled straight through as though violin pegs were to be used, but the tuners installed are banjo or ukulele type.
Marg, there really isn't a nut as the zero fret serves that purpose. It is a string guide to keep the strings in the right places. I think Wally may be on to something. The peg head looks similar to one I had on a Dulcimer Factory instrument (which I no longer have). On to further searching.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
Thank you, @marg !
Wishing you & all a lovely holiday season!
ken
( sound holes appear to un-McSpadden ) and the wood.
What about the nut & bridge, can the way, they are made - ring any bells
thanks, everyone for the possibilities
Hill Country Dulcimers, successor to The Dulcimer Factory (TDF), used a variation of that style head and a zero fret in 2002. Possibly TDF also made a model in this style. I think both produced kits.
See the following for an example.
I'm not as sure as John is about the provenance of this dulcimer. The only thing that speaks McSpadden to me is the zero fret. I'll need to look through my McSpadden material to check. I don't know that much about the years from1962 - 1974, so I'll see what is in the files. The material used in making this instrument and sound holes appear to un-McSpadden like to me.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
Marg, that is, for sure, an early teardrop kit from McSpadden, which was known as The Dulcimer Shoppe back then. The shape of the scroll was called a leprechaun curl, and the other kits had them also until they switched to guitar-type pegheads.
The group I play with was preforming today and someone from the audience had - what looks like - it was make from a kit. Who ever made it did a very good job but there is no label or any markings that would give me a hint on maybe the kit used.
I only have these few photos, the sound hold is very different, maybe a clue. It does have the 6.5 but the older screw tuners & small nails for the string pegs. Also no violin lip/ smooth straight sides.
Any guesses would be great
thanks
Very nice collection, Peter. At least while the McSpadden's owned the company no dulcimer was made by an individual. According to Lynn McSpadden the person who was responsible for gluing on the backs on a particular day was the one who signed the dulcimer. By that time someone made the fretboard, another worked on bending the sides, another gluing the sides to peg head and tail piece, etc. The last glue up was adding the back to the already completed top, sides, fret board, tail piece, and peg head glue up. After that someone else did the final sanding. Then there was the next step of applying the lacquer finish by someone else. There were at least four or five people who signed dulcimers initially. I think Richard Stolze and Larry McSpadden continued to work for the Dulcimer Shoppe after it was sold, so they continued to sign instruments. If people want to believe that one person made their dulcimer, they can do so, but that simply wasn't the case with McSpadden dulcimers.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
