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jasemones
@julie-semones
02/01/14 07:43:00PM
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Strumming so frustrated


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

I LOVE my dulcimer, let me say that first, and I've learned a few tunes, and they sound pretty decent...however my issue is, I can't strum! Its gotta be a left brain/right brain issue, but anytime I try to start strumming, I stumble on the notes. I can get the notes playing clearly but can't strum. I have tried air strumming and that seems to go ok, until I try to actually play a tune. Can anyone offer some help?

I wish I were closer to people who play the dulcimer, but I don't; I tried dulcimerschool.com and while the lessons were great, I think I need someone in front of me, live, to teach me.


updated by @julie-semones: 07/31/23 09:31:04PM
James Phillips
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02/01/14 07:35:25PM
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then CGc tuning would be a good one to go with to play those chords with that group. Sounds like fun :-)

Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
02/01/14 06:10:03PM
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That's a tough one, Steve. Ukes being chromatic instruments they can play in many different keys without retuning. You need to know in what key the majority of their songs are played, then perhaps we can give suggestions about tunings which can accommodate most of them. For example, if they do a lot of tunes in C then CGc would be good for the dulcimer.


updated by @rob-n-lackey: 02/15/16 01:00:14PM
Paul Certo
@paul-certo
02/02/14 12:41:25AM
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The installation of a pickup should have little to no effect on unplugged volume. The size of the dulcimer will. Each instrument has it's own voice, perhaps this one is just a bit quieter than your other dulcimer. Since it does have a pickup, you should be able to get the volume you need onstage, so I don't think I would be concerned. Over time, you will probably find you like both of them for different songs, or playing styles. Let them teach you what they like.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
01/31/14 10:25:21PM
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Ayup. String gauges, please.

And confirmation that your hearing is OK or that you've got new batteries in your hearing aids.

Tone woods would not make that kind of difference. With a Galax you should have plenty of volume.

Is this your first dulcimer? Some folks have unreasonable ideas about how much more volume a Galax will give.

John Henry
@john-henry
01/31/14 06:47:46PM
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Sorry, Dan beat me to it "What gauge strings !!"

Dan Goad
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01/31/14 06:47:18PM
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What strings gauges are you using? Have you suffered any hearing loss? I have problems at both the upper and lower ends of the audable spectrum (unamplified). The Galax back does increase volumn to some degree but it's not a miracle worker.

John Henry
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02/06/14 05:58:34PM
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Well put Brian, that is more or less what I intended to say after checking all that had gone before, 'cepting I could'nt find the other thread ! IMO, all you need to do to influence any result is play midway down the fretboard, and then move closer to the nut and play, on as many dulcimers as you chose, the resultant sound will change ,and thus people's perception ?

JohnH

Permalink Reply by Strumelia 1 hour ago

"Maybe we're all just using the same generic debate over and over to cover various situations" point I was trying to make agood time back !!!

Brian G.
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02/06/14 05:15:27PM
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Who stated they could tell the difference between an hourglass and a teardrop "regardless of other variables"?

If the point is to distinguish between shapes based on sound, then all other variables must be held constant . If they are not, you do not have a test of shape's effect on sound. Period.

You are not testing what you think you are. :)

Ken Hulme said:

Ah, but you see, that has been the brag from several people all along -- regardless of other variables these people claimed they could distinguish an hourglass from a teardrop. So that's how I designed the test. Not a dozen McSpads of different shapes. Not trad vs modern volumes, not VSL. At least once a year someone says "I can tell an hourglass from a teardrop." Can you?

Strumelia
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02/06/14 04:45:04PM
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Maybe we're all just using the same generic debate over and over to cover various situations, JH.

Could be easier that way!


John Henry said:

Well, I'm swearing! 'cos I've got it in my mind all this was argued over quite recently, other than on this particular thread, and for the life of me I can't find it. I am sure that I posted comment on it . Am I losing the thread ?

JohnH

phil
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02/06/14 03:44:54PM
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my ears are not that good to be able to tell. Best I can do is tell one instrument from another

Dusty Turtle
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02/06/14 03:17:05PM
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But Robin, you could bet, and you'd come out even since you'd be right half the time!

Robin Thompson said:

If I were a betting person, I'd bet against my ability to do so.
John Henry
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02/06/14 02:42:55PM
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Well, I'm swearing! 'cos I've got it in my mind all this was argued over quite recently, other than on this particular thread, and for the life of me I can't find it. I am sure that I posted comment on it . Am I losing the thread ?

JohnH

Strumelia
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02/06/14 02:12:08PM
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Some swear you can and some swear you can't.....and some just swear. And now we can't agree on what constitutes a fair and equitable test! Funny!

Randy you got me laughing on this one. Too true!

Robin Thompson
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02/06/14 02:05:34PM
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If someone else was doing the playing and I was in an audience and had my eyes closed, I likely could tell no difference between an hourglass and a teardrop. If I were a betting person, I'd bet against my ability to do so. Lol! If, though, I were blindfolded and could stand right in front of the player, maybe. . . It'd just be something to try for fun. :)
Randy Adams
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02/06/14 12:14:19PM
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This topic comes up every couple of months and always ends up as a stalemate. Some swear you can and some swear you can't.....and some just swear. And now we can't agree on what constitutes a fair and equitable test! Funny!

I've never weighed in on the subject but have some winter downtime somewhat random thoughts on it.

First off, I don't have a good ear for this type of thing and can't tell the difference between a teardrop and an hourglass.

But of course there are people who can.

A couple of extreme examples who come to mind are Antonio Stradivarius, in the 1700's, and Lloyd Loar, in the 1920's. They built violins and mandolins, respectively, and refined the shape and sound of their instruments and no one has been able to better their designs. I think they'd have the god given ability to detect acoustical differences in the shape of dulcimers.

But I don't believe you have to be a world renowned acoustician to tell the difference. Mark Gilston, John Keane and Ken Bloom are three who I think can. And there are others. I'd put a little bit of money on Dwain Wilder and Richard Latker.

Can a dulcimer builder adjust an hourglass shape to have some of the acoustical properties of a teardrop? Sure. And vice versa.

I remember when I got my first dulcimer after playing guitar for a few years and I thought "how can that thing work"? It has a big fingerboard running over the top of the soundboard. What a poor way of transmitting sound. But we all know it works. But we don't know how it works yet.

Someone will come along one of these days and figure it out, and hopefully will have the personality and communication skills to let us in on it.

Strumelia
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02/04/14 05:50:44PM
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It doesn't make sense to me either way, in such a small test with other things not being equal in the two dulcimers being used. If only using two dulcimers, then all other factors really must be identical for it to mean anything (which is practically impossible). If using a dozen or more dulcimers that are very very similar, then perhaps an outcome might have more meaning. With all due respect...I just don't see how this particular test can actually prove anything one way or another. But hey, I hope folks have fun with it anyway!

Ken Hulme
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02/04/14 05:36:17PM
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Ah, but you see, that has been the brag from several people all along -- regardless of other variables these people claimed they could distinguish an hourglass from a teardrop. So that's how I designed the test. Not a dozen McSpads of different shapes. Not trad vs modern volumes, not VSL. At least once a year someone says "I can tell an hourglass from a teardrop." Can you?

Strumelia
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02/04/14 05:18:41PM
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I have to say I agree with Dusty on this. Too many uncontrolled variables.

Dusty Turtle
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02/04/14 03:30:20PM
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All these questions about VSL, wood type, instrument design, kind of noter, etc., get to the central point: given the vast number of variables that affect the sound a dulcimer makes, it is impossible in practice to identify the shape of the box as the sole reason for differences in tone.

Ken Hulme
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02/04/14 02:16:21PM
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Yeah... well, unfortunately I don't have a dozen instruments.... Eleven dulcimers playing the same one tune would make an interesting test...

john p
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02/04/14 11:36:46AM
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Question is - can you tell from SHAPE alone.

Nothing to do with wood, builder, tune, player, home fret, size etc. etc.

The test is poorly designed if only two instruments are being used, there should be a dozen or more.

John Henry
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02/04/14 10:08:23AM
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And played in the same position along the VSL ?

Randy Adams
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02/04/14 09:05:34AM
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So....how's this going? Were the teardrop and hourglass dulcimers the same brand and same woods?

Ken Hulme
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01/31/14 07:34:29AM
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It's a coded message from the Militant Manatee Coalition.... one of their representatives was down by my friend's boat that day!

Skip
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01/30/14 07:41:22PM
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Yeah, just got some alien sound I didn't really understand, soundedlike 'salgro'. Probably means 'you're going to guess wrong' or 'gotch ya'.

Strumelia said: Skip, maybe that's just a subliminal message...like the Beatles' "Paul is Dead" thing... Have you tried playing it backwards?

You're welcome Ken, I was interested in the comparison.

Ken Hulme
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01/30/14 06:49:57PM
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Ayup. There's a glitch there... Gotta have my tech guy look into it.... Only supposed to be one tune per cut and no talking! I checked all the other cuts and they only have one song per file. Thanx for listening, Skip!

Strumelia
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01/30/14 06:02:38PM
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Skip, maybe that's just a subliminal message...like the Beatles' "Paul is Dead" thing... Have you tried playing it backwards?

Skip said:

Ken the first one someone says 'hourglass' at the end of the tune, just before starting the 2nd tune.

Dusty Turtle
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01/30/14 05:15:57PM
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The first is hourglass, the second teardrop. Or the other way around. I'm sure of it.

Skip
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01/30/14 05:03:15PM
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Ken the first one someone says 'hourglass' at the end of the tune, just before starting the 2nd tune.

Ken Hulme
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01/30/14 04:16:54PM
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For years I've said that you cannot tell what shape of dulcimer played a given tune. Others have firmly declared that they, by George, could always tell when a tune was being played on an hourglass versus a teardrop. A week or so back, Mark Gilston took up my challenge.

He says he can tell whether a tune is being played on an hourglass or on a teardrop; that each SHAPE has a distinctive sound. I say the sound of a dulcimer is NOT shaped-related. I've recorded 6 tunes on two dulcimers. The only thing my audio engineer friend did was cut apart the master recording into individual takes, and enhance th amplitude of all cuts equally

So you can "play along at home", sort of, here are two of the eleven files that Mark will listen to.

01.mp3

02.mp3

Can you tell what Shape the instruments were that played those two tunes? Of course in some sense you've got a 50/50 chance of getting it right. That's why Mark is taking the full test with eleven recordings.

Perhaps after Mark has had his 'go' at determining which is what, I'll open the files up to others...


updated by @ken-hulme: 06/11/15 07:40:08AM
Doug Jones
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05/14/14 10:57:32AM
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I didn't read through the entire discussion, so forgive me if this is repeated information. Banjo Newsletter devoted almost all of the March issue to a tribute to Pete Seeger by various players and how he influenced their lives. It was a great tribute to a wonderful man.

Dusty Turtle
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05/13/14 10:45:50PM
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Those who took part in this forum discussion might be interested in a live radio tribute to Pete Seeger to benefit the Woodstock Day School and the Hudson River Sloop Clearwater. The event is hosted by Jay Ungar and Molly Mason.

DANCING ON THE AIR! on WAMC's Northeast Network
Live Performance RADIO hosted by Jay Ungar & Molly Mason
Hear the recent Pete Seeger Tribute Concert from
The Bearsville Theater near Woodstock NY
Broadcast on WAMC
Wednesday, May 14th 8 :06 10pm

HAPPY TRAUM and an amazing array of local musicians including
JOSH RITTER, A.C. NEWMAN, ADRIEN REJU, DAVID AMRAM, LARRY CAMPBELL, PETER DUGAN,
ERIC WEISBERG, TIMOTHY HILL, ELIZABETH MITCHELL, DAN LITTLETON, TRACY BONHAM,
CINDY CASHDOLLAR, APRIL TRAUM, JUSTIN GUIP
plus KIDS FROM THE WOODSTOCK DAY SCHOOL
Ear graphic Hear the broadcast online at WAMC.ORG .

Robin Thompson
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03/18/14 09:37:43AM
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Hugs from me, Dusty! You're so nice to say that.We all need a balm for the spirit from time to time. Maybe even all the time.

Dusty Turtle said:

Such a sage comment from a sage woman.

Robin Thompson said:

Life can be just plain hard sometimes and making music or sharing music can help along the way.
Dusty Turtle
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03/18/14 01:15:03AM
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Such a sage comment from a sage woman.

Robin Thompson said:

Life can be just plain hard sometimes and making music or sharing music can help along the way.
Cindy Stammich
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02/03/14 10:04:49PM
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This is so true Robin!

Robin Thompson said:
Thank you for the links, friends.

I can't help but think how, in some ways, Pete Seeger was to the banjo what Jean Ritchie has been to the mountain dulcimer. If each had done nothing but help popularize those two instruments, it would've been a lot. They did much more. . .

I think of how many people have been encouraged to realize a dream of playing a musical instrument and have been helped along the way by folks both at Everything Dulcimer and here at FOTMD. Life can be just plain hard sometimes and making music or sharing music can help along the way.
Robin Thompson
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02/03/14 09:22:58PM
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Thank you for the links, friends.I can't help but think how, in some ways, Pete Seeger was to the banjo what Jean Ritchie has been to the mountain dulcimer. If each had done nothing but help popularize those two instruments, it would've been a lot. They did much more. . .I think of how many people have been encouraged to realize a dream of playing a musical instrument and have been helped along the way by folks both at Everything Dulcimer and here at FOTMD. Life can be just plain hard sometimes and making music or sharing music can help along the way.
Ken Longfield
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02/03/14 08:25:53PM
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Here is a picture of Pete that was posted over at Banjo Hangout. I think it is very typical of Pete and I would share it here.

Dusty Turtle
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02/01/14 01:21:40PM
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Here's another story from the New York Times thatcompiles excerpts from interviews with other musicians (Bruce Springsteen, Bonnie Rait, Steve Earle, etc.) talking about Pete Seeger. Perhaps the most moving to me is the story of Pete watching television footage of the cleanup after 9-11, and the soundtrack they used was Bruce Springsteen singing Pete'ssong "We Shall Overcome." Pete commented that if all he had done was provide that song for that moment to help people heal, he would have lived a full life.

Ben Barr Jr
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01/29/14 10:27:31PM
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Thanks for the Fresh Air episode with Pete. Good to hear it.

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