Native American Flutes

Susie
Susie
@susie
10 months ago
445 posts

Irene, the NAF journey can be a lot of fun. Congrats on your new HS flute. I had a low E for awhile, but it was one of 3 flutes I recently sold. They sound so haunting. 

Ken, I hope my idea of the case helps you out. I first did one for my tin whistle, years ago. 

Re the case, I don't store any of my flutes in their cases...it will only be used when I go to festivals or travel in the motor home. My NAF's remain out on stands so they can benefit from the humidifier I have in my music room. Storing it in that plastic case wouldn't be a good idea.


updated by @susie: 11/24/20 10:51:38AM
Ken Hulme
Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10 months ago
1,859 posts

I like your flute case.  Great use of PVC.  I'll have to make a couple of those for some of my handmade bamboo Mirliton flutes.

IRENE
IRENE
@irene
10 months ago
177 posts

WOAH, did this post take me on an adventure.   I have just bought a HIGH SPIRITS native American flute and love the lowness of the E.   I sapose I should have gotten a "entry level" A.   but loved the sound and look of this one I got in Hannibal, MO. (big Native American store, been there for 32 years) I've been thinking about this for about 20 years.   well, not getting any younger....So when this post came up....I've done some exploring and it's just begun.   Thanks for the info herein.  Love the case you made as well.   aloha, irene

Susie
Susie
@susie
10 months ago
445 posts

sleepingangel: I love that case you made. I would love a step by step lol. Makes me want to buy the flute just to make the case. Ha ha enjoy Maria


Thank you, it was fun.  I used a piece of 1 1/4" PVC that my husband had left over (the flute fits perfectly in it). I cut it to the correct length with a chop saw (which gave it a nice clean, square cut). Then I got the two ends from Home Depot. I put an 1/8" thick felt stick-on pad in the fixed end, so the flute would have padding there. Then I glued on the two ends with PVC glue. In the end with the screw cap, I rolled up some foam, and tucked it on the inside of the cap and wrapped it tightly with electrical tape. That provides the cushion for the flute on that end and takes up the excess space that that end has (because of the way those PVC ends work). The printing on the PVC was the harder part. To remove it, I tried Acetone (nail polish remover) as suggested on YouTube. It lightened it, but didn't remove it. So, my husband said PVC glue would remove it. So, we smeared PVC glue on the printing, then removed it quickly with a paper towel. Wa-la, it worked. It takes off some of the sheen, but I redid the glue thing on the whole tube to make it consistent. I added some music stickers I had from a previous project. 


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updated by @susie: 11/23/20 05:04:19PM
sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
10 months ago
98 posts
I love that case you made. I would love a step by step lol. Makes me want to buy the flute just to make the case. Ha ha enjoy
Maria
Susie
Susie
@susie
10 months ago
445 posts

Strumelia:

Susie I'm curious- the white circle right on the end of the scorpion's tail- is that a hole used for playing?

Very nicely done PVC case!

No, that is an inlay....it is a 6mm Kyocera Opal cabochon. Nice catch!

Re the case, thank you!


updated by @susie: 11/23/20 10:29:40AM
Strumelia
Strumelia
@strumelia
10 months ago
2,013 posts

Susie I'm curious- the white circle right on the end of the scorpion's tail- is that a hole used for playing?

Very nicely done PVC case!




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Susie
Susie
@susie
10 months ago
445 posts

Since I recently downsized my NAF collection by 3, I thought I could justify (and try out) one of High Spirits new Spirit Flutes. This is from their Astrology line (mine is Scorpio) Their Spirit Flutes are not double chambered flutes, so they take a little less effort in blowing. This is in the key of A (it is 14" long and is made of Spanish Cedar). I love the fact that I have a flute without a fetish now, so it will be of less concern when traveling. In fact, I made a "hard case" for it out of PVC (that was fun to do). These don't have quite the volume that a standard NAF has, but the tone is quite nice. It plays just like a double chambered NAF. 

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updated by @susie: 11/23/20 10:23:49AM
Susie
Susie
@susie
3 years ago
445 posts
PapaSims:

Here is my collection so far.  HighSpirits, Erik the Flutemaker, Stellar kit and recently purchased from Joe Loftin.

Nice looking flutes!
PapaSims
PapaSims
@papasims
3 years ago
5 posts

Here is my collection so far.  HighSpirits, Erik the Flutemaker, Stellar kit and recently purchased from Joe Loftin.

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Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

The Madrone Magic flutes at High Spirits are beautiful and sound wonderful. 

Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Beautiful collection of flutes, Monica. I do think I'm all set though. I've got the variety I want and now I'm just going to keep working on techniques, and voices, and learning to play cleaner and faster. I'm playing a lot of written music, which is fun. I've actually transposed quite a few of my written music pieces into keys of A and E, so I can play them. Plus, I'm playing with my sister. Thanks for sharing your picture of your flutes, they are beautiful.

Monica
Monica
@monica
4 years ago
64 posts

Susie: Ok, I'm done. Got the bases covered, and I'm having fun. Plus, all the spaces are filled.

I have been playing less than a year, and not everyday at that..I have also traded a couple of flutes with other people.

Susie I thought after 2 I was done..never say never!!!! You have to try other flute makers.

 

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Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts
Ok, I'm done. Got the bases covered, and I'm having fun. Plus, all the spaces are filled.
Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Monica:

The next step after condor bass are the Drones. Though I recommend starting with the smaller holes as blowing into 2 chambers is quite the challenge and takes practice, the smaller one is a B minor made by a Canadian (Templewindflutes)and the large on Is a G# . It arrived 2 days ago all the way from Australia (MagicWoodworks)

Wow, those are beautiful Monica! 

Actually, I have a double flute that my friend gave me that is the V type, in the key of F#. It was made by a fellow in Michigan and has wonderful intonation, tone and craftsmanship. She wasn't using it, so she generously gave it to me. It's been fun to mess around with. 

Monica
Monica
@monica
4 years ago
64 posts

The next step after condor bass are the Drones. Though I recommend starting with the smaller holes as blowing into 2 chambers is quite the challenge and takes practice, the smaller one is a B minor made by a Canadian (Templewindflutes)and the large on Is a G# . It arrived 2 days ago all the way from Australia (MagicWoodworks)

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Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Susie:


My HS Em Condor Bass in Spanish Cedar arrives on Monday. flute


I went with cedar, because I have a mid-tone G in cedar, and I love its tone. I have a couple walnut flutes already.



Well, it arrived 3 days late, since the post office decided to send it on a wild journey to an incorrect post office (it was correctly addressed). It got about 650 extra miles on it, but finally arrived today. I love the flute, wood, and tone. Thanks for everyone's help. Happy camper! joyjoy


updated by @susie: 03/09/17 02:17:25PM
Monica
Monica
@monica
4 years ago
64 posts

Congratulations Susie, While I don't have a high spirits Em. I have the maple from Ancient territories..if I had to grab just one flute It would be that Em. 

Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

My HS Em Condor Bass in Spanish Cedar arrives on Monday. flute

I went with cedar, because I have a mid-tone G in cedar, and I love its tone. I have a couple walnut flutes already.


updated by @susie: 03/04/17 05:51:25PM
Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
4 years ago
54 posts

Monica, Thank you for your input.  A condor bass is near the top of my list when I'm ready to buy again.  Right now, I need to go on a flute diet!  Flutes seem to be following  me home or arriving on my doorstep like stray cats.

Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

John Keane:
Susie:

 

 

John, I'm not considering the contra, just the condor bass Em. Just can't decide between the standard bore and the 1" bore. But, it sounds like the standard bore would be just fine for me. Do you guys have a standard bore condor (not contra) bass?

 

We have "regular" Condor basses in various keys (even the smaller bore size).  Once you get used to the extra stretch beyond a smaller flute stretch it's really no big deal.  Have fun and enjoy the process!

Thanks for the insight John!!!

Monica
Monica
@monica
4 years ago
64 posts

Jennifer, I don't have an Em from high spirits, but I think they are about the same size, I have one from Ancient territories, it's maple and the holes are smaller but the spacing is the same, Em is my favourite key..they're all great!!

As for Wood I have a condor bass Cm in walnut. really nice

Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
4 years ago
54 posts

I tried out my flute teacher's HS Condor base Em (regular sized, not the 1" bore) and found it surprisingly easy to play though my hands are on the small side.  The cedar sounded a bit wispy to me, however, and not as full as I want for a lower flute, though I LOVE my Jonah Thompson F# in cedar.

Two questions:  1) Would the Em in walnut produce a fuller sound, or would it sound too bright for a low, soulful flute?  And,  2) is the fingering on the Condor base Dm similar to the Em, or is it more difficult to play.  I'd prefer D to E, but am concerned about finger reach and distance to the first hole.  I don't really want the smaller bore in either key of the Condor base.

Such good info on this forum.  Thank you, everyone, for all the good advice.

John Keane
John Keane
@john-keane
4 years ago
182 posts

Susie:

 

 

John, I'm not considering the contra, just the condor bass Em. Just can't decide between the standard bore and the 1" bore. But, it sounds like the standard bore would be just fine for me. Do you guys have a standard bore condor (not contra) bass?

 

We have "regular" Condor basses in various keys (even the smaller bore size).  Once you get used to the extra stretch beyond a smaller flute stretch it's really no big deal.  Have fun and enjoy the process!

Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Thanks Monica!

Monica
Monica
@monica
4 years ago
64 posts

Susie I bought mine here..considerably less, but you may have to wait a few weeks for them to order it.

http://www.grothmusic.com/c-497-native-american-flutes.aspx

Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Thanks Monica! And also to  Maria and John. Your insights really helped! Now I'll decide on timing. Gotta wait and see what's on sale in March. happys

Monica
Monica
@monica
4 years ago
64 posts

Hi Susie , its about 1 and 3/4..It's very easy and comfortable to hold.I really believe you will be able to play it with ease considering your musical experience and height

Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Thanks Monica and John. Very nice videos. 

John, I'm not considering the contra, just the condor bass Em. Just can't decide between the standard bore and the 1" bore. But, it sounds like the standard bore would be just fine for me. Do you guys have a standard bore condor (not contra) bass?

Monica, sounds like you are handling it without issue. Did you remeasure the outside diameter (1.2" didn't seem right to me)? Thanks.

John Keane
John Keane
@john-keane
4 years ago
182 posts

The only thing that I would caution about would be a Condor Contra Bass flute.  My wife (Karen) has been a professional flute player and teacher since the 1980s.  The holes are so large that her fingers go straight into them without stopping to seal the holes.  The spread between the holes can also be a challenge for people with smaller hands.  I haven't run into many folks who have this problem with the regular Condor Bass series, but I know that some like the smaller bore better for comfort reasons.  Here's a video that starts with me using the contra bass.  You'll probably be able to tell that I'm working pretty hard to manage the beast, but they have such a wonderful low voice. 

Monica
Monica
@monica
4 years ago
64 posts

I say try the larger size, no squawking and fuller deeper tone..I am 5.3'..and have skinny fingers and have no problem at all..you can always return /exchange if it doesn't work for you. 

I am playing the condor bass C in this video..which if anything is slightly larger than the D

 

Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Thanks Monica. That outside measurement (1.2") seems like the same as the outside measurement of those with the 1" bore......1.25". I'm talking the outside of the wood. Is it really 1.2" for the standard condor bass?

Thanks for the pics and info. Now I can't decide between the standard bore (will have to confirm measurements) and the 1" bore like Maria's.

Monica
Monica
@monica
4 years ago
64 posts

Susie the outside measures over 1.2.   I recommend the larger bore it has a fuller deeper sound . I am a small person and I have no problem. The condor bass D is aromatic Cedar and the Bass C is walnut. I also have a condor bass B that is spanish cedar ..it's a lot more challenging to play the holes are larger and further apart..but doable. I also recommend you check out Ancient Territories I have a couple of his flutes..beautiful craftsmanship and sound.in the photos starting from the left High spirits Condor bass B,C,D , Gm and Em 432 from atflutes.com


updated by @monica: 02/21/17 01:50:47PM
Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Monica, what is the outside diameter of your HS bass flutes? I know it's 1 1/4" for the 1" bore flutes. Was curious how they compare. I'm tall, have pretty good size hands and have 43 years experience playing stringed instruments. So I'm thinking I could handle the bass flute size (even the non-1" bore). Sounds like you have no problem with the size. What woods are yours?

Monica
Monica
@monica
4 years ago
64 posts

I have the condor bass D and C, not the 1" bore however. I have no problems playing them, infact they play with ease and sound beautiful. The larger bore has no squawking but I do have squawking with the smaller bore flutes( Gm, F#) from high spirits.


updated by @monica: 02/21/17 10:56:20AM
Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Thanks Maria. I'm thinking seriously about the 1" bore Em flute (walnut). I love the low tones and this would fit nicely into my mix. 

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
4 years ago
98 posts

[quote="Susie"]

Has anyone purchased a bass tone flute or more specifically, a HS 1" bore bass tone flute?

[/quote

Yup Suzie. I have their Dm and Em 1 inch bore flutes. I love both of them but the Dm took me much longer to be able to play without squawking. I was silly and it was only my 2nd flute after the Jonah Thompson Am that I learned on...but now after 10 months of playing the NA flute I can play it just like the others. Both of mine are in Walnut as they are much more durable (and I seem to always whack my instruments onto something lol)

Good luck

Maria

Susie
Susie
@susie
4 years ago
445 posts

Has anyone purchased a bass tone flute or more specifically, a HS 1" bore bass tone flute?

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

I've got their single hard case. Real nice....it protects the flutes very well. I took the case and 3 flutes to Mackinac Island for the inaugural trip. Nice shoulder strap too for the hiking we did. 

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
5 years ago
98 posts

I just ordered the large hard case from high spirits with the 25 Percent off and free shipping on orders over 100 it was worth it. (I ordered three of his spiral bound music books/cd to make the 100) and I'm so exited for it to come. They say depending on the flutes it could hold about 6 flutes 

take care and enjoy playing 

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

Have fun Jennifer!

Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
5 years ago
54 posts

I'm going to a NAF gathering today and am taking all three flutes since I don't know what key we'll be playing in.  Trouble is, I only have two bags.  But at the last moment, I thought of my fold-up "Stateline" music stand bag.  It works perfectly!

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

Blondie, I saw those. Looks like a great deal. I'm all set for now. Good luck, they should go quickly.

Blondie
Blondie
@blondie
5 years ago
25 posts

FYI, I would like to direct you to the 'for sale' part of this site. I have two lovely High Spirits Flutes for sale.

Thanks!

Blondie

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
5 years ago
98 posts

Susie:

So cool, congrats Maria!

thanks so much Susie!!

Take care

Maria

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

So cool, congrats Maria!

sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
5 years ago
98 posts

Oh that it is sooooo addicting!!

Hey I'm really excited because High Spirits tweeted about my video that I did using my HS Drone and my Synth and Kalimba!!

take care everyone!

Maria

 

  https://twitter.com/HighSpiritFlute/status/800718055718326272

Caleb Dan Bennett
Caleb Dan Bennett
@caleb-dan-bennett
5 years ago
8 posts

You can't have too many flutes I say! lol

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

I ordered the high G in aromatic cedar as soon as I got the sale email from HS. Turns out, my sister also ordered a high F# in birch.

 


updated by @susie: 11/21/16 10:36:57AM
sleepingangel
@sleepingangel
5 years ago
98 posts

Susie:


I played my sister's HS pocket flute (G, in aromatic cedar). It was a really cool little flute with a nice voice. It sounded great with the G mid-tone. Now I want one. wasntme  



Then Susie, here's your perfect time to get one!! they are on sale for THIS week. 25 percent off all the flutes!


Let me know if you get one. I ordered mine!! 


Take care


Maria

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

25% off currently at High Spirits.

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

Yes, a lot less. The two were beautiful together. I have a mid-tone G, as well as my sister. I think for the price. I'll just have to get one. thumbsup

Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
5 years ago
54 posts

That must have been fun to play together.  I watched a YT video in which someone used both a high and a mid-range flute in the same piece.  It didn't show her playin, only background scenery, so I couldn't see when she switched, but it was done effortlessly.  Got me to thinking of ways a higher tned flute could be put to use.

And they cost a lot less than the low flutes!

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

I played my sister's HS pocket flute (G, in aromatic cedar). It was a really cool little flute with a nice voice. It sounded great with the G mid-tone. Now I want one. wasntme  

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

Excellent!

Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
5 years ago
54 posts

I love it, Susie.  It's less resonant than my HS Sparrow Hawk but has a kind of plaintive sound that I assume is due to the pine.  The HS is aromatic cedar, and both are in Am.

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

Jennifer, very cute! How does it sound?

Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
5 years ago
54 posts

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Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
5 years ago
54 posts

My Sparrow Hawk has a new baby brother!  Meet Jonah Thompson, also in A.

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Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
5 years ago
54 posts

Interesting and very much worth considering for my next flute.

Lovely dulcimer playing!

Monica
Monica
@monica
5 years ago
64 posts

I have two Em flutes The ancient territories along with the Fm from the same maker are both tuned to 432. I can't prove with any certainty if in any tangible way there is a difference. But I do feel more peaceful after playing them. As if I just meditated or the way I feel after doing yoga, and they are the two I pick up to play everyday. As for playing along with other instruments.No problem, I simply tuned my dulcimer to 432, you can do the same with any stringed instrument. I tuned my dulcimer here to 432.

youtube.com/watch?v=thralBdwnU4


updated by @monica: 10/09/16 06:07:51AM
Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
5 years ago
54 posts

Monica, is the difference between 440hz and 432hz noticeable?  I know you can't play the two together, but wondered if the difference is worth the price and if so, why.  

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

Thanks Monica, that's good to know. 

Monica
Monica
@monica
5 years ago
64 posts

Susie, It is surprisingly easy to play. It's the standard size .The top four holes are large but the reach is the same as my Em from atflute.com.Since I had the Em for a while It prepared me for the Low D. I had to return the Butch Hall Dm...it was impossible to play.

Once you have settled in with your F#. I do recommend the Condor bass flutes, E and D are very special. more meditative. The Em and Fm flutes I have are tuned to 432hrz. My next flute is the condor bass C....never say no more :)

the craftsmanship  and playability of John Stillwell's flutes is superb. here are the 3 from him


updated by @monica: 10/08/16 04:52:33PM
Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

Monica, thanks, those bass flutes are intriguing, how does it play/sound?

Strumelia, thanks!

Strumelia
Strumelia
@strumelia
5 years ago
2,013 posts

Susie, your new flute is beautiful.

All these flutes are like works of art, really.




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Monica
Monica
@monica
5 years ago
64 posts

Beautiful Flutes Susie, I recently got a Condor bass D from High Spirits. I love it.

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Monica
Monica
@monica
5 years ago
64 posts

Thanks Jennifer, the the horse head totem was made by George Dyson it's a river cane flute in the key of Em.He takes custom requests for any kind of animal fetish (totem). The short flat one is a Drone Flute in the key of Bm, it was made by Templewindflutes.com here in Canada. ..In the USA Kenny King also makes Drones..well there are many flute makers that make them. I also have 3 flutes from Ancient Territories flutes..my favourites.

Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

Monica, your flutes are beautiful! 

Strumelia, with guitar as my main instrument (have 6), and next my dulcimers (have 6), I'm trying to be reasonable with the NAF's. So, 3 will do it for now. But you're right, never say never.wasntme

Lexie, here's a pic.


updated by @susie: 10/08/16 03:59:56PM
Jennifer Brutschy
Jennifer Brutschy
@jennifer-brutschy
5 years ago
54 posts

Monica, these are some gorgeous flutes and a stunning display.  The horse head, wow.  Who made the short flat one?

Monica
Monica
@monica
5 years ago
64 posts

There is always one more flute, because you have to factor in wet out, the different keys and tone of the different woods and they are generally more affordable than most instruments

Lexie R Oakley
Lexie R Oakley
@lexie-r-oakley
5 years ago
232 posts

Susie, exciting that you got your new flute and very happy your husband seems like he will enjoy listening to you play.

Yes we would love to see a picture of it, sounds very beautiful.

Strumelia
Strumelia
@strumelia
5 years ago
2,013 posts

Susie, we'd love to see a picture of your new walnut flute with turquoise.  And always good when one's spouse approves of a new instrument!  pimento

I've learned over the years to never, ever say "This is the last ____ I'm getting".  Never paint yourself into a corner. lolol...

Last night I ordered several more pennywhistles in various keys.  grin




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Susie
Susie
@susie
5 years ago
445 posts

I got my HS mid-tone F# Golden Eagle NAF yesterday. Wow, what a beautiful tone. My husband even said "that's a really nice sounding Flute". The turquoise flair is really pretty with the walnut. I'm very happy with my third Flute. I think it will be my #1. thumbsup

Strumelia
Strumelia
@strumelia
5 years ago
2,013 posts

Terry, my right foot always starts tapping to the beat when i play bones...so I'd say that would not be compatible with driving...lol!   =8-o




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