Hog-Eyed Man playing Green River
General mountain dulcimer or music discussions
Thank you!
Don is the quintessential Fingerdancer. Nearly always on the melody string, very smooth, fast and clean transitions between notes. He also plays Noter & Drone style. His instruments are invariably 3 stringed but not traditional -- they have the 6+ and 13+ frets and mechanical tuners.
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When in doubt, refresh your browser page.. it often helps when things look to be 'disappeared'.
OK -- good to know... I thought it might be something I was/wasn't doing...
Just listening and not looking, it reminds me of Don Pedi and Bruce Greene, too, Robin!
Ken, the text box issues have to do with the tinyMCE text editor software that is used here. It's not something that I can fix and has nothing to do with our part of the platform. TinyMCE is its own software, and they've been having some issues lately. I do know that they are working on fixes for their current text editor problems. We'll have to simply let that work itself out for a few weeks. If it continues to happen after say three or four more weeks from now, let me know again then. Thanks!
Meanwhile, the other group discussion re-ordering is being worked on to find the solution.
Doing it again JUST NOW. Interesting that in the Building group, Ken Longfield's post about Tuning Peg Knobs is still at the top of the list, but everything below that is wanky.
Also, I've notice lately (last month or so) that periodically I'll go to some random Discussion and if I try to create a Post, the text box flashes up and then disappears! Not every time or every discussion. It just happened now in the Discussion where someone is looking for a particular Bowed Psaltery. I went in and out of the discussion 4 or 5 times and it finally gave me a text block to type in...
Have you had a chance to listen to the latest Hearts of the Dulcimer Podcast episode? It's called Dulcimer Lullabies . Be sure to check out the episode resource page for some extra goodies:
David Schnaufer's TAB for Starry Lullabye
AND
A chance to win a Hearts of the Dulcimer Podcast t-shirt.
Go to https://dulcimuse.com/podcast/resource/044.html to download the TAB and to enter the contest. It's time sensitive, so be sure to check it out soon!
So glad you are enjoying this video, friends!
@John-Shaw I only have one of their cd's yet am sure the others are just as good. It's funny you mention Bruce Greene because this duo reminds one, in ways, of Bruce Greene & Don Pedi's play together.
Thanks for posting this, Robin! I've been a big fan of Hog-Eyed Man for 3 or 4 years, and all of their 4 CDs get my highest recommendation. Jason Cade was a pupil from a very young age with the great Bruce Greene, and Rob McMaken is a subtle, beautiful dulcimer player.
Thanks for this Robin!!
Real nice! Thanks, Robin!
That's great SkipII! You have an advantage already- you are aware that you can do various things by using various tunings, and also you don't seem to be afraid of trying out new things. Good for you! Have FUN with your music and your instruments. :D
Thanks, all, for the generous and helpful responses. I'm going with DAD for now on my Warren May, but might keep my McFadden at DAA. I'm already drawn. to Bing Futch's style but I'm sure I'll expand that.
Not a problem, Lisa. Will let you know if things get wonky again. Glad to see that the issue has been forwarded and a permanent solution may be achieved...
I would suggest you listen to the dulcimer players who play the kind of music you want to play and ask them how they are tuned.
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I would suggest you listen to the dulcimer players who play the kind of music you want to play and ask them how they are tuned.
Listen to some of what FOTMD member Sam Edelston plays. If you like it, you might want to chat with him directly--or anyone else whose music sits well with you.
@Skipii, Ken is correct that DAd and DAA are equivalent in terms of the notes and chords available. Chord voicings are a bit different; they are more compact in DAA and a bit more expansive in DAd. But you have exactly the same notes available to you in those two tunings, so any claim that one is better for chords than the other is pure nonsense.
There are two main limitations with either tuning. The first is key, for you can only play in a handful of keys (D and Bm are easy, G and Em are doable, A and F#m are a stretch, and anything else is near impossible). The second is that you still have a diatonic fretboard (which is why the keys are so limited). Fretting across the strings allows you to get around some of the limitations of the fretboard, but not all of them. Personally, I play dulcimers with both a 6+ and a 1+ fret to allow a greater variety of notes, chords, and keys. You might consider adding those extra frets as well.
The answer to your question is that it doesn't really matter. Most of us who play modern music tune to a 1-5-8 tuning such as DAd, so you will find more resources for that tuning. That might be reason enough to tune that way.
I would suggest you listen to the dulcimer players who play the kind of music you want to play and ask them how they are tuned.
Patricia, I like the poetic interpretation, and can even imagine singing the song while holding a baby and then placing the baby into a crib as you sing "down will come baby." However, I always assumed that in the same way that the old folk tales really were about starvation and death and infanticide (and in the case of Little Red Riding Hood, incest and bestiality), "Rock-a-Bye Baby" was about the dangers that beset infants in the pre-modern era, perhaps even infanticide, which was often due to "exposure," meaning babies were just left outside in the woods (maybe even in a treetop). In the end, we don't really know, do we?
Most dulcimers are tuned to DAA or DAd because those key of D tunings, are what most clubs play in -- particularly DAd.
It's not hard to switch between the two tunings, but you chord players have to memorize different chord fingerings for each tuning. Since you aren't interested in traditional music and dulcimers there's no reason to go into any other detail of the stylistic differences between the two tunings.
BOTH tunings have equally accessible chords, although the DAd people would have you believe otherwise. Some say DAA actually has more chords available. If you can't find much information on DAA chords, drop me a PM and I can send you a copy of the definitive article on the subject, by Merv Rowley (R.I.P.).
Of course the chords you can achieve are only those associated with the key of D. Other keynotes (the note to which the bass string is tuned) have other chords associated with them, of course. To reach some of the other keynotes will require different gauges of strings to prevent string breakage (notably the bass string). Unless you go totally modern and get an instrument with a chromatic fretboard (and IMHO are no longer playing a dulcimer), you will never have every chord available at any time.
Thanks Dusty, glad you liked the lullaby episode.
What's your interpretation of Rock-a-Bye Baby? Are you seeing a baby falling from a treetop? I'm kind of liking the more poetic interpretation.
Another sweet episode, Patricia. It's an honor to be associated with you guys and the Hearts of the Dulcimer Podcast.
I have to count myself among those who was never enamored with "Rock-a-bye Baby" because of the image of the baby falling from the treetop. I don't know if I'm entirely convinced of Julia Soto Lebetritt's interpretation, but she has me thinking about it.
Thanks for all you do!
New to me too! :-)
Cool! And I learned a new word: lullabologist. :)
The plot thickens. They look somewhat similar. The sound holes on mine seem a bit rounder hearts. The hook looks to be a better wood on the Oscar Schmidt.
I'm fairly new to dulcimers -- or least this time I'm paying attention to doing it right.. I see most dulcimers are tuned to DAD or DAA. Is there a parrticular style associated with each? It seems to me it would be a little hard to switch to the other once you have become accustomed to one and learn its chords. My interest, frankly, is not in traditional folk songs or hymns, but adapting some more modern music to the dulcimer. Is there one tuning that might be better for that? Thanks for the help to a relative newbie.
I think some of these dulcimers were branded Oscar Schmidt, weren't they?
The Sears & Roebuck dulcimers were made in Korea by Hondo, at least in the same factory (with the same specs) as the Hondo dulcimers. Not the first ones imported from the East but pretty good ones.
Regal also made a lot of guitars for Sears to be sold under their Silvertone label.
And yes, the original peg hole was moved. Not sure why anyone would do that. Looked like a perfectly good hole! Maybe for alternate tuning?
Sears carried Harmony-made instruments before they bought the company. They re-branded these instruments (still made by Harmony) Supertone, then branded as Silvertone. I’m curious about the dulcimers offered in the Sears catalog. Apparently they sold for $29.99! Can’t find any info on the inter webs.
Curious: do you mean Roosebeck? They've been discussed on FOTMD before.
Or do you mean dulcimers you could buy from an actual Sears & Roebuck catalogue?
Whatever it is, it looks like someone manked around with the location of one of the tuning pegs --- I think that's an extra hole I see there! Also of note is the shepherd's crook scroll. I've seen a couple makers use that pattern, and seems designed for use with a dulcimer wall hanger.
Hi. Does anyone have any info on the Harmony or Sears dulcimers, or can point me in the right direction? I have googled just about every search term I can think of related, with very little info returned. I believe that’s what this is, but not sure. Thanks, you knowledgeable people!
Another sweet episode, Patricia. It's an honor to be associated with you guys and the Hearts of the Dulcimer Podcast.
I have to count myself among those who was never enamored with "Rock-a-bye Baby" because of the image of the baby falling from the treetop. I don't know if I'm entirely convinced of Julia Soto Lebetritt's interpretation, but she has me thinking about it.
Thanks for all you do!
Cool! And I learned a new word: lullabologist. :)
The discussions have been re-ordered again. But this issue has not been 'solved' yet. There's a fix that has been applied, but the cause is yet unknown, so it may happen again until the cause is figured out.
Ken please post here if/when it happens again. Meanwhile the developers of our software are trying to figure out what's causing it. This might take some time. Thanks for your patience!
Hearts of the Dulcimer Podcast - Episode 44
Dulcimer Lullabies
The gentle sound of the dulcimer lends itself to lullabies. They ease us into the day and calm us down at night. Lullabies give comfort to the inner child in all of us, no matter how old or young we are. In this episode you’ll hear lullabies played by dulcimer players David Schnaufer, Molly McCormack, Neal Walters, Aubrey Atwater, Dusty Turtle, Jessica Comeau, Stephen Seifert, Carol Walker, Kevin Roth, Lorinda Jones, and Duane Porterfield. With commentary by lullabologist Julia Soto Lebentritt.
You can listen to all the Hearts of the Dulcimer Podcast episodes directly on our website: https://dulcimuse.com/podcast or in most podcast apps.
Every episode has its own resource page with photos, videos, and song lists. Be sure to check out this resource page for the TAB of David Schnaufer's Starry Lullabye !
Here's the resource page for this episode: https://dulcimuse.com/podcast/resource/044.html
Ok, thanks Ken, I'll get on this as soon as I can.
HI Lisa;
FWIW, the Group discussions seem to be "dis-ordered" again... in new and interesting ways.