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Yes -- there are McSpads that are 3" deep.  There are several models of McSpadden. Some as shallow as 1.5", commonly at about 2" deep.  At least some of the older ones with a 28.5" VSL were that deep;  I found the dimensions in a listing of McSpaddens for sale.

Ken, are there McSpaddens that are 3" deep?  Mine is only 1.75" deep.  That would change the cu inches considerably, or am I missing something as I often do?

Awww, Jan, tooo sweet!  Was good to see u for a minute at Etown.  Hope ur coming back to N-ville soon.

I'm impressed so much in how far you've come in 4 years! And I can tell that magic spark is still there.  You're fun to work with because when something "clicks" for you, you light up the room!  Hope we can play together soon!

Thanks, Greg. Sounds like Carl is very good to work with for a custom.

Here's a link to June Apple Dulcimer.  The smaller model is the June Apple Model.  The larger model is the Poplar Hill Model.

https://www.juneappledulcimers.com/collections/mountain-dulcimers

I have a June Apple dulcimer.  It doesn't have the light silvery sound of the J.E. Thomas  reproductions that I own.  Nor does it have the resonant sound of the larger bodied dulcimers.  The sound falls somewhere in between.  You could probably describe it as a balance between the two.  Keep in mind that Carl and his staff at June Apple Dulcimers manufacture several different models of dulcimers and dulcimer ancestors.  The June Apple model has a somewhat smaller size than other models made by June Apple, so it's not surprising that the sound is somewhat closer to traditional than it is to guitar-like.  June Apple also makes a larger-bodied dulcimer.  I don't have personal experience with the larger model, but I would assume that its sound is more resonant and similar to other dulcimers with wider, deeper soundboxes.  In short, the difference in sound is more  a combination of volume and resonance.  Everything else being equal, smaller-bodied dulcimers have less volume and less resonance.  Larger-bodied dulcimers have more volume and more resonance.  Other factors to consider are the type of wood used, particularly the soundboard (top), and the thickness of the top, back, and sides.  I'm not a builder.  A builder would be more qualified than I to describe the various factors affecting the sound of any given dulcimer.

Thanks Ken. That is a great explanation. 

It is a known dulcimer maxim that the larger the interior volume of the instrument, the more bass/baritone/guitar-like the sound; conversely a dulcimer of the same basic size with a smaller volume will have a more traditional "high silvery" sound.  The way most dulcimers add to the deeper sound is by increasing the depth of the sides.   Shape (hourglass vs teardrop vs TMB) has nothing to do with the sound here; only the interior volume.  

 The dimensions of the June Apple are given as 1-3/4" x 6-1/4" x 35-1/2"

So although it's only 6-1/4" wide, it's 1-3/4" deep, and multiplied out, that gives you 388 cu. in. of interior body.

Compare that to my traditional Virginia Hogfiddle which is 1-1/8" x 5-1/4" x 35-1/4", or 208 cu. in.   

Then compare those to a more or less standard McSpadden at 3" x 7" x 36" = 756 cu. in., which has a more modern "guitar-like" sound. 

So... compared to most common dulcimers, the June Apple model will have a "more traditional" sound, certainly.

June Apple's website describes their June Apple model as based on the Huntington design. Has anyone played one and does it have the more traditional sound or a more modern guitar like sound?

Any feedback welcome.

Thanks, everyone.

I've looked at those pictures a couple times, and frankly I can't see any "slight separation" between the fretboard (not neck -- dulcimers do not have a neck) and the top.  I don't see any "area that has dropped", either. 

If you must do something other than just play it, as Irene suggests, I would tilt the instrument 45 degrees on its side, and using either a fine squeeze tip from  superglue bottle, or a toothpick, put a couple drops of 'slow set' superglue right in the joint.

I say that this "slight separation" isn't enough to worry about.  Just enjoy playing her.   aloha, irene

Greetings! Some time back I picked up an Edd Presnell 6 string,the wood was in good shape but there were separation issues on the tail, crack on the back, yada, yada ,yada, have it nicely fixed up. I still have not tried to fix the seam separation right where the neck meets the top surface. There is also a slight indentation right where it is separated.

 2 questions,

 Should I try "lifting" the area that has dropped? And if so how do I do it safely.

 second, What would you suggest for gluing the seam without a big mess? I have considered an exact o knife or scalpel blade to clean up the separated area, but as to applying glue, what is the best, cleanest way to do that.

 Attached pictures, let me know what you think. Thanks everyone.

 Presnell 4.jpg - 145KB

And thank you, Marc, for that article.  I hope you don't kind that I downloaded a pdf copy for my own purposes.  I also greatly enjoyed your more recent DPN article on "Partons la mer est belle." 

Thanks, Lois, for your work in helping us find this hidden material.  Much obliged! 

Is that a hollow fret board with four strings above and four inside it?

I would put some super glue in the crack and use a clamp to see if the crack closes up and glues together. Actually I'd try the clamp first and if the wood moved with the clamp then I would remove the clamp, put glue in the crack, and then clamp it. A little accelerator sprayed on the crack after it is glued and clamp will harden it up quickly.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

That's a crack in the headstock, not the fretboard.  They are two separate pieces. So there should be no danger of the crack spreading into the actual fretboard.

As Matt describes, carefully add drops of thin superglue to fill up the crack.  Then you'll be able to tell if the crack is spreading.  

Dusty brings up a common problem in deciphering tunes; embellishment! Getting a clear melody is difficult at best in so many arrangements. Most tunes are out of reach for me as I hear different from most folks. If the tune doesn't "speak" to me I'm even more lost. Finding a tune in an old Hymnal is wonderful as they are generally broken down to the syllables of the lyrics and translate a pure tune! As for the others, studying several versions is the way to go......

@dulcimerjones  I'm always working at developing a better ear.  And learning the instrument-- what I think I can do with the mountain dulcimer within my playing capabilities.  It's a lifelong journey, I think.  :)

Figuring out a tune can take me months.  Most often, I prefer to work from a fiddle version(s) or a banjo version(s) of a tune to figure out the essence of a tune and how the tune will lay-out on the fretboard of a mountain dulcimer. 

Very interesting article.... thank you!!!

The builder did a wonderful job of putting together a unique instrument.  Eight strings on a thin scroll head is a lot of pressure.  The sides of the head are perhaps a tad thin for that many strings.

Every instrument has the danger of cracking.  An instrument as detailed as yours needs continuous care, especially to maintain constant humidity.  It cracked once and could crack again.  If you know a luthier nearby, ask them to look at the crack.

I am so glad to hear some of your experienced players talk about working on a tune for years.  After 4 short years of playing mtn. dulcimer, I begin to realize I can't learn every song in a few days, or weeks.  When something seems out of reach, I put it down for a while & inevitably when I return to it, I find there is more to the tune than I previously thought.  I understand now that it's not the tune, but me who's changed-learned more, sharpened skills, etc.  Wow, still feels like magic to me! 

Hopefully this is as far as I need to explain it.    https://web.archive.org/web/20040330202706/http://dulcimersessions.com:80/ for Feb '04 issue was scanned on March 30 '04. If you go up to the top of the Wayback Machine where the little lines of scan are, you can also see blue arrows pointing forward and back in time.  Just click those to work your way through what was saved.

Woops!  Missed Oct. '03 as those little lines are hard to catch.   https://web.archive.org/web/20031007042119/http://www.dulcimersessions.com:80/

Are you clicking the lines at the top of the page of their captures?  This is what I found for the earliest shown:

https://web.archive.org/web/20030801132250/http://www.dulcimersessions.com:80/ gives July '03

https://web.archive.org/web/20040124023510/http://www.dulcimersessions.com:80/ = Dec. '03

https://web.archive.org/web/20040330202706/http://dulcimersessions.com:80/ = Feb '04

Since these are Mel Bay posts of earlier issues, I let myself hop down to Oct. 4, 2006  https://web.archive.org/web/20061004025712/http://dulcimersessions.com:80/

There I again see her with working links & this time it's actually the October of 2006 issue.

Hi Dusty,

What I was able to find a lot of the time was an individual article on some Business site that may have been re-posting it, but try this one  https://web.archive.org/web/20160325051242/http://dulcimersessions.com/  which seems to come straight from Mel Bay and shows Lois Hornbostel, complete with working links.  I had earlier just seen the article on "Home-Middle-Outside", so this looks more complete.

Sorry it's clunky, but it's dependent on their scanning.

 Lois, I've been playing with the Internet Archive site, but I seem to only find information about when copies were made of the Dulcimer Sessions site. I can't find any actual pages.  I'll keep trying and let you know if I'm successful.

Go to the "Wayback Machine" at  http://Archive.org  and at the top of the page you will see "enter URL or keywords", put in  http://www.dulcimersessions.com/ and hit ENTER.  Working my way back through the "snapshots" usually does it.  The most recent snapshot was 9/29/17.  At first it didn't look promising, but scroll through the other articles down to "Welcome to the June/July 2010 Issue of Dulcimer Sessions" which has a posting date of Nov. 30, 2016.  Click "Read More" and it looks like you have access to other earlier issues.  I clicked Mountain Dulcimer Tunes and was able to reach that.  If there is more you should be access and can't, I'd go back to those other "snapshots" until you get a thorough one.  I'm not (yet) familiar with it, so those of you who know it will be a better judge.

Something I just discovered is Archive.org has been dumping some sites for lack of viewing, so the more people view it, the more it stays alive.  Had this happen recently with storyteller's site.  Supposedly it wasn't there, yet I noticed in the middle of the page it looked like a link.  Clicked it and got it!  

The "Wayback Machine" is a great service when a long-running site is no longer active.  Use it to keep it going.

Shucks, I would have let y'all known that 2 years ago.  I've been using it to scarf up Roger Nicholson arrangements and articles from the old days of DPN to use in my fingerstyle workshops.  Thanks Roger's widow & daughter for giving me permission to use his material in classes about his style.