The shallow bodied, slope shouldered, tapered scrollClifford Glen dulcimer in what is known as the 'North Carolina' patternis my absolute favourite dulcimer shape. It does surprise me that none of the larger workshops has ventured into this pattern as, in my book, it beats the Kentucky hourglass hands down for aesthetics 
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I have one of each. Like them both. Some tunes sound better on the teardrop and some sound better on the hourglass. Since 3 points define a plane (in geometry) I find the teardrop rocks less when you really hard strum. Kind of like the difference between a 3 legged stool and a 4 legged one - the 4 will rock and the 3 will be stable. my 2 cents
I build hourglass dulcimers for sale because that's what most folks like. But my personal playing dulcimers are mostly teardrop. Teardrop's have a distinctly different sound, a more focused bolder sound. That is why you see them more in baritone and bass instruments. The problem with most of the teardrop's on the market are made too skinny and unsubstantial. I found that building them with a wider bout they sit quite well on my lap. I also like the elliptical shaped Galex design. I built a very wide body model that plays best on a table top. Never played a box dulcimer, something to look forward to... All dulcimers are fun to play no matter what shape your dulcimer's in... Bob
I meant the Simerman shiftsto my RIGHT - dyslexia!! 
Linda W. Collins said:
Hi James,
Working with a variety of students, with a variety of body shapes, I find the hourglass to be preferable from an ergonomics standpoint. The teardrop can be difficult for some folks to get positioned in a stable fashion against their belly! The only difficulty I've had with an hourglass shaped dulcimer is with the concert model Simerman; it tends to shift around my body to the left, due to the large lower bout, so that I have to periodically "retrieve" it!
Linda
I have not played a tear drop shaped mountain dulcimer, but have wondered about them so it is a good question.
I have two different sized hour glass shaped dulcimers and I really like playing my shorter one, my longer one slips a little bit, but thus far neither have slipped off my lap.
Interesting observation Linda, nice to know.
Hi James,
Working with a variety of students, with a variety of body shapes, I find the hourglass to be preferable from an ergonomics standpoint. The teardrop can be difficult for some folks to get positioned in a stable fashion against their belly! The only difficulty I've had with an hourglass shaped dulcimer is with the concert model Simerman; it tends to shift around my body to the left, due to the large lower bout, so that I have to periodically "retrieve" it!
Linda
Fantastic Cynthia, and love the name of your Club. I wish you much Fun with it.
Cynthia Wigington said:
Thank you. I am already haltingly starting a bim bim BOM Dulcimer Club here. Attraction rather than promotion I always say. I have to give you this link because it's under copyright, but this is the fruit of kind James Phillips, played on his Cox zither pin, bagpipe tuned Ccc, which seems to have dropped to AAA.I bought this and another Cox from him tuned equidistand DAdA. I just love singing harmony with a bagpipe tuned dulcimer. I'm in heaven. Bless you and this site.
Thanks everyone Babs and all, love your tuning talk, it really helps a newbee to learn and put it into perspective; It put me into experimental mode and I tune to what sounds nice to my ear and each re-tuning I listen to my fret board.
I have kept it simple and have learned major or minor keys. I am not afraid of tuning have learned what my lil butternut dulci can do and respect those limits and haven't broken any more strings, but earlier when I broke strings, it just gave me the opportunity to learn to change them.
With suggestions from other Friends, I have on hand lighter strings and will have no wound bass string and in time I will have 3 dulci's and I believe I will tune in 3 different tunnings.
I don't always comment, but I sure keep up on reading and learning from your responses.
Thank you. I am already haltingly starting a bim bim BOM Dulcimer Club here. Attraction rather than promotion I always say. I have to give you this link because it's under copyright, but this is the fruit of kind James Phillips, played on his Cox zither pin, bagpipe tuned Ccc, which seems to have dropped to AAA.I bought this and another Cox from him tuned equidistand DAdA. I just love singing harmony with a bagpipe tuned dulcimer. I'm in heaven. Bless you and this site.
Awesome and useful explanation, Cynthia!
There are so many amazing and wonderful things to discover when experimenting with dulcimers- it's good to try out various things. I find for myself that one year I'll be in love with doing something musical one way, and then 3 years later I'm really into a slightly different thing, then I may go back or try something different yet. I definitely have my personal favorite musical things, but variety is fun and helps me learn more when i explore.
You go girl, and have fun. I am a 6 month old dulcimer player and loving it. If I can help you in any way I would be glad too. You certainly did not offend me. I love N/D though, and highly encourage you to play much DAA. No reason for that tuner to stick in DAd unless you super-glued it there. I started with a DAd tuned dulcimer because that's how the cardboard kit came, they recommended First Lessons book, and the only club in the state is mostly DAd. I've always loved minor songs and quickly latched onto Shady Grove DAc. Then came up something I wanted to play which was in DAA. I tuned down the 1st string and went for it. So I was on my way, but got quickly tired of retuning all the time. And I wanted a real wood dulcimer and built the McSpadden black walnut kit. It came with an ionian string set, DAA so I put them on, and was just thrilled at the sound on that one. It has a real long string length, so would be impossible for me to chord on anyway. Then I discovered DAG, a nice minor. Anyway, it went on from there, but I began here. Best of luck to you, and let me know if I can help. I like having 2 dulcimers: one tuned DAd, that I drop to DAc for minor, and one DAA that I drop to DAG for minor. Less tuning more playing, and, for what it's worth, haven't broken a string yet. You have fun.
Noter & Drone does not "have a minimal amount of learning". <snip/moderator edit> It is a different set of lessons.
I'm the hardcore trad noter & drone player. So I have three dulcimers, in three Keys, each of which will handle my 5 most used tunings.
The keys are B, C, and D. I find the B works really well with my voice, C works pretty good with my voice, and D is for playing with all those other dulcimer players
The tunings are Ionian, Mixolydian, Dorian, Aeolian and Bagpipe. 1-5-5, 1-5-8, 1-5-4, 1-5-7 and 1-8-8
Like Bob, I have different instruments set for different tunings: One of them is one from Bob, which is tuned D-d-dd Bagpipe tuning & has a 6.5 fret. From that, on the open I can get both D mixolydian, as well as key of D, and from the 3rd fret, key of G. I am a noter drone player, and so I think by the numbers.
I also play standard 6-string guitar and picked up the 4-string tenor recently. Completely different beasts. Tenor is tuned C G D A whereas standard guitar tuning is E A D G B E. So a learning curve.
BTW, just so you know, there is a learning curve with noter/drone, more then what is realized. Yes, we deal with the melody string(s) but there is a whole lot of noter techniques, and strumming styles going on.
I have a dulcimer for each of the tunings I play in. It's easier to pick up a dulcimer on a wim, rather than having to retune, which is a drag. On banjo I change tunings constantly from one song to the next. It's a mental challenge to "think" in a different tuning each time. But its fun just the same. ... Bob.
Babs, remember that for people who play in a drone style, the only string they have to think about is the melody string, so new tunings really mean that the key note (or home note or tonic) is in a different place on that melody string. Obviously, in that style of playing, switching tunings is wholly different than it is for those of us who play cross string and with chords. In my playing, for example, I never think of a note in isolation; I think of chord positions and see the melody out of those positions.
I play other instruments, too, such as the guitar and mandolin. I have no trouble switching from one to the other even though they are tuned completely differently and chord shapes are completely different. I think something similar is at hand for those people who are proficient playing in many different tunings. They simply learn different places to find notes on the fretboard. Their brains flip a switch when they switch tunings in the same way that I flip from guitar to mandolin.
I have not gotten there, I must admit. I almost always tune 1-5-8 and after 5 years I find I am still getting to know the fretboard. (Only a couple of weeks ago, for example, did I find the 8-6+-5 E chord!) This limitation to my playing is mostly on purpose. I want to know the fretboard well enough that I can accompany other people playing a song that I don't know and without recourse to tab or other music. I can do that on the guitar and mandolin and am working on being similarly proficient on the dulcimer. I would love to be playing a song when someone says "take a few verses, Dusty" and be able to improvise something melodic and fun for a while. But I can't quite do that now. Maybe at some point I will surely experiment more seriously with other tunings, but my goal right now is to know the fretboard in a 1-5-8 tuning. I am not "afraid" of other tunings in the sense that I will occasionally play around with one or take a workshop on DAc tunes or something like that, but I still consider my main "work" on the dulcimer to be getting better aquainted with the fretboard in a 1-5-8 tuning.
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I think you're going to have to accept that there is no magic string set that will cover a complete octave on each string, basically what you're asking for.
What you can normally expect from one string is 5, maybe 6 notes.
IOW, there will always be 1, maybe 2 keys that can't be treated in the way you're asking, and require special measures such as 'reverse' tuning, capos and false nuts etc.
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There seems to be confusion with terminology - so let me put this a different way. How many people tune their dulcimer (no matter what mode) an octave apart starting with the bass string.
Okay lets play a game called - Tune With Me! (are we excited? ) Okay, imagine- or don't- that we are in the standard key of d in ionian mode. Now fret fret number 1 on the bass string and tune the other 3 strings to that; then take the bass and tune down until you can play the fourth fret bass string and match all the other strings. Yay! We are all now in what I referred to as the low low key of A. ( a.k.a baritone tuning) now it does not sound like baritone at all, but a low standard MD. This mode tuned so low is good for slow,quiet, and mournful songs if you tune the melodies to the 6th fret of the bass.(now aeolian mode) Now can you do this same procedure reversed to tune in the same key an octave higher? I can, (if you try to go higher you will probably break a string). the tuning of this mode that we are in isn't alto tuning, but it is higher than most people tune to, right?
why? Granted it can be harder to press the strings down, but this is solved by noter- I don't really like using a noter, but I can use one. ( I like my God-given one ) I have one or two books (and have seen online) that most dulcimers don't tune to this higher tuning- and I haven't seen many people do it because of the so called "reverse ionian" (which is not technically a mode, not being a 1-5-and so on) So is the dulcimer world scared of tuning up here? Do they not like to tune up there because of tradition? If your strings broke during this exercise maybe you should consider getting a lighter gauge.
P.s if tuning Mixolydian you may not be able to get this high or aeolian because you really do have too long of a vsl or too thick gauge strings.
P.s.s- the rule is that for tuning your dulcimer the clouds are the limit not the trees. (:
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Noah ; first to answer your last question, 28.5" is not the perfect VSL. If it were that would be all that would be available. There are some folks that not afraid of changing strings, they just don't want to bother with it for various reasons. That is good for a few of us to make a few bucks doing it for them.
If you're able to tune your melody [.012] string to the g above middle c without breaking you're having pretty good luck, most break around there. You also are putting a bit of strain on your MD by doing it, the tension is about 3 times the rest of the strings. It would also help if you could sort out your use of 'modes', 'keys', 'string tuning' and 'overall tuning' for us. Basically;
A mode is an 8 [7?] note scale defined by the configuration of steps/half steps between the adjacent notes. The Ionian scale starts on the 3rd fret and has nothing to do with the tuning.
A major key is an 8 [7?] note scale using the Ionion mode configuration. The Aeolion mode describes one of the minor scales, etc.
A string tuning is the open string tuning of a single string.
Overall tuning is the open string tuning of all the strings to achieve a particular sound or capability. These are called 'modal tunings or just 'tunings'.
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Noah, the short answer to this is yes. I bought some used dulcimers, don't have spare strings for them, so yes. Early on someone said, "Buy a pound of strings and have fun." I would rather not. I'm glad you are not afraid to break strings, so what I would like to ask you it to do this: On that dulcimer, 28 1/2 vsl, with your 12-14-22 strings, tune each string up until it breaks. Play it on the way up, until you feel it's not so comfortable anymore, and let us know your results. You have no idea what a help it would be.
This is the 11th or so stringed instrument I've learned. They all had specific tunings. Even the guitar, mostly I went down or up a step and that was it. So yes this is new. You learned from your grandfather. I am in the woods here in Vermont, with the closest club an hour north, who mostly, 95% say, play DAd. Sometimes DAc a bit DAA. I am about to order one, with spare strings, and ask him specifically what he thinks is a comfortable range for the strings, so I have a better idea. This tuning all over the place is the heart of the traditional dulcimer, but new to me. Some real help here would be greatly appreciated.
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I broke a brand new guitar string on Christmas day 1981. Sure, I was a little upset about it at the time, but it quickly cured me of any reluctance to re-tune or change strings.I learned how to tune my instrument and how to change strings on day one.
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If you mean that on a 28" scale length, you are tuning your .012 gauge melody strings to "high high g" meaning the g above the usual high d that people often tune their melody strings to, then I honestly don't see how that's possible with breaking the string. But you say you are tuning in ionian mode, so a melody string tuned to g would have you playing in ionian key of C, not A or G. Unless you mean that your melody string is tuned to the usual high d, and you are playing in ionian key of G. In that case, your bass and melody strings would be tuned to either D and G (reverse ionian), OR to G and D. Either way, that's a pretty normal pitch level.
I'm still not sure what you mean by "low, low key of A". What notes are you actually tuning to for all three strings here? I think we are using different terminology and hence some confusion.
Noah Aikens said:
I am talking about ionian, but my dulcimer can do it in different modes. The g I am talking about is the g above middle c, and the a is the a below the a below middle c. I normally play drone but do cross handoccasionally.
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Hi Noah,
Most of the confusion arises because of the two different styles of play.
Modern practice is to play the dulcimer as if it were a lap guitar(though you're not really supposed to say so) and, like the guitar, uses a fixed tuning such as DAd.
If you're playing in this style there is no need to retune, and such instruments can be set up with an optimum string set that is tailored to just that one tuning.
The old style is to retune the instrument, depending on what key you want and what mode you want. This requires a string set that is a whole lot more versatile than one designed to just tune DAd.
The consequence is that when you come to look at drone style playing, many new players have never had to retune, or tune to anything except DAd and are really just lacking in confidence. Getting stuck in and maybe breaking the odd string to start with is the way over this.
The melody string used for DAd is not ideal for other tunings and generally needs to be beefed up a bit.
So yes, with a carefully chosen string set you should have no trouble tuning most(common) keys in most modes, it's just that strings designed mainly for DAd may not be the best choice.
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I am talking about ionian, but my dulcimer can do it in different modes. The g I am talking about is the g above middle c, and the a is the a below the a below middle c. I normally play drone but do cross handoccasionally.
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Noah, you are certainly right that a lot of people are afraid of changing tunings or changing strings, but I am confused by parts of your question. Referring to the key of A or G does not tell us how exactly you are tuned, which leads to Strumelia's essential question.
And there are laws of physics that rule over any propaganda. Given any specific VSL and any specific gauge string, there is a limit to how low or how high you can tune that string.
I would also add that the perfect VSL is dependent on your playing style. If you are playing in a droning style, longer VSLs are less troublesome than they are for people who play chords. I play cross string and chord a lot and I find 28-1/2 is about the upper limit for me. I simply can't finger certain chords with a VSL longer than that.
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but my dulcimers-both 28 1/2 in vsl, tune and play very well from the low,low key of A and the high, high key of g.
I'm not clear what you mean by this- what tunings are you talking about exactly?
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I have gone with your suggestions Ken on the plain strings non wound and I don't have any trouble tuning, but also I just think changing strings are part of the process or breaking strings which I don't do any more. I am sticking with the traditional dulcimers also. I have ordered from Bobby Ratliff and am really looking forward to it.
Ken Hulme said:
I think you're right Noah.
I think it IS propaganda.
And, for some reason, a huge number of players are terrified of breaking a string and having to change it. I'm like you. The strings on my Bobby Ratliff Virginia Hogfiddle have been down to Bbb and up to Gdd numerous times without getting floppy or breaking. But mine are traditional dulcimers and I don't use wound bass strings.
Nope, there's no 'perfect' VSL but I do think that that length is as close as you'll get
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I think you're right Noah.
I think it IS propaganda.
And, for some reason, a huge number of players are terrified of breaking a string and having to change it. I'm like you. The strings on my Bobby Ratliff Virginia Hogfiddle have been down to Bbb and up to Gdd numerous times without getting floppy or breaking. But mine are traditional dulcimers and I don't use wound bass strings.
Nope, there's no 'perfect' VSL but I do think that that length is as close as you'll get
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I have noticed quite a bit of "propaganda" of people saying that this vsl is good for this tuning and this gauge is even better so on and so forth- but my dulcimers-both 28 1/2 in vsl, tune and play very well from the low,low key of A and the high, high key of g. The string gauges I use are 12-14-22 nickel loop end- why does everybody think that they have to have different gauges for different keys? Sure tone is fine, but are people just afraid there strings will break? Or is 28 1/2 the perfect vsl?
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Water is running again (after being out for 3 days). Am hoping that Internet will be fixed tomorrow. Was able to get in a good playing session on the dulcimer while the town water department folks were attempting to unfreeze my pipes. So, there's that. Maybe we will see each other this summer at Cranberry or Dulcimer Daze...
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Hi Pamela, sorry, didn't know that you were looking to say hi.It's a good thing that I enjoyed the festival so much, as I came home to frozen pipes and no water. Shortly followed by the Internet going out at my house.
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Great that you got all inspired!
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Still coming down from the Mountain Dulcimer Music Fest that was held in Latham, NY last weekend. Took some fun classes, sold two dulcimers (thinning the herd) without buying a new one (though I was awfully tempted by a spalted maple with a beautiful, high tone), and enjoyed the jams and concert. Best of all, it has gotten me even more enthused about practicing/playing.
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Skip's suggestion is what I would go with. Just be careful with a heat gun as the surface of the wood can heat rapidly and burn. Another option is to heat a palette knife and work that in to the space between the end block and back. It will be difficult to match up the sides and back when you re-glue, but if you take your time and are very patient you can do it. Best wishes for the successful completion of your project.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."