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marg
@marg
02/25/24 06:21:14PM
620 posts

Birdseye Maple


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

thanks for your thoughts:

Yes, it does have a brighter sound - it has very good responsive.

Thoughts on the quality of it as a wood for a dulcimer. Maybe used more in the past for guitars but other woods maybe better now as tone woods or any problems with cracking?

Photo of an older dulcimer, that so far is in beautiful shape.


updated by @marg: 02/25/24 06:23:11PM
Dwain Wilder
@dwain-wilder
02/25/24 06:01:52PM
74 posts

Birdseye Maple


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In my experience, figured wood is not good tonewood. Ken is probably right about it producing a brighter tone. Whether it would be responsive and capable of good sustain is another question.

That being said, so much is determined by the maker's design and process.

Many years ago the Guild of American Luthiers held a contest for the best guitar made with unconventional wood. The winning guitar was made from a shipping pallet.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
02/25/24 05:16:35PM
1,315 posts

Birdseye Maple


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Not sure what type of thoughts you are looking for Marg, but Birdseye maple is a pretty wood. It should produce a little brighter sound from it than from walnut or mahogany. Of course, other factors come in to play; e.g., shape, material of the top, VSL, depth of sound box, etc.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

marg
@marg
02/25/24 05:05:53PM
620 posts

Birdseye Maple


Instruments- discuss specific features, luthiers, instrument problems & questions

Thoughts on a  Birdseye Maple dulcimer - back & sides?


updated by @marg: 10/09/25 11:48:44AM
shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
02/22/24 03:55:14AM
67 posts

Just For Fun - sayings regarding the dulcimer or music


OFF TOPIC discussions

NateBuildsToys:

Ken Hulme:

@shanonmilan --the vast majority of us (traditionalists and moderns) play dulcimer horizontally -- "string side up" on our laps or on a table or stand.  There are a few who play it more vertically -- like a guitar...


 
I play behind my back, Like Stevie Ray Vaughn.
I like to leave my best performances behind me  ROTFL

 


Hahahaha. You got me laughing and rolling on the floor on that one.

Leo Kretzner
@leo-kretzner
02/21/24 01:44:55PM
36 posts

International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Indeed! Including Christ the Lord Is Risen Tomorrow...!  (tada-bump)

Actually that would make a beautiful chord melody piece.  : - ) 

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/21/24 12:07:24PM
1,846 posts

My 40 year old box of harmonicas


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Jim Yates:we each bought a harp and tried to sound like Sonny, with little success, until we read an article in Sing Out! magazine where Tony Glover explained cross harp, playing in the key of E with an A harp.  Suddenly it all came together.
 

I had a similar moment of realization about how to play blues on the harmonica.  I just couldn't figure it out and thought those great blues harmonica players were just really good at bending notes. But one day in college I was playing some blues on the guitar with some people and someone joined, playing blues harmonica really badly .  She was not good, but she was doing it, and on a break I asked to see her harmonica.  Indeed, @jim-yates, as you say, it was an A harp and we were playing in E. Aha!  dancecool Cross harp, what a concept! To play straight on the harmonica, your tonic is the 4th hole, but to get those blue notes, your tonic is the 3 hole.  I still can't play like Sonny Terry, but I can manage some amateur blues and have fun.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
02/20/24 07:25:42PM
1,548 posts

International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Indeed, the last Saturday is 30 March and Easter is the following day.  Perhaps some may wish to celebrate the Appalachian dulcimer on IADD with a hymn or two.  

Leo Kretzner
@leo-kretzner
02/20/24 02:30:56PM
36 posts

International Appalachian Dulcimer Day


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

It also happens to be Easter weekend this year, but since it's Saturday vs Sunday one hopes that doesn't affect too many people. Anyone hosting may be a bit too busy to make it to the park, but jellybeans for those who do! 

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
02/18/24 08:49:23AM
2,157 posts

Bodhran (Irish Drum)


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Nice Marsha!  Decades ago I played bass drum with Scottish Pipe Bands.  Then a couple years before Covid I occasionally played dulcimer along with friends in a group called Pine island Sound. The I built the  laptop Cajon below  --  a Brazilian hand beaten box drum -- that I played with them until  Covid sort of busted things up.  I more or less "tuned" the Cajon to sound good around the key of D.  It can be played soft or loud as well.  

12"x18" x 2.75"  The top is a fabulous piece of Oregon Myrtle, the sides maple and the back 'piano' Port Orford Cedar.

Can't find the pix I had of me with  the group...  



Cajon front.jpg Cajon front.jpg - 110KB

updated by @ken-hulme: 02/18/24 08:52:47AM
Nate
@nate
02/17/24 05:22:53PM
440 posts

Bodhran (Irish Drum)


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Looks like a good time. The Bodhran is a really cool instrument. For how deceptively simple they look, they are very complex. The soft but powerful tones fit great into almost any type of music in my opinion
Nate 

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
02/17/24 02:57:57PM
1,315 posts

Bodhran (Irish Drum)


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Sounds like a lot of fun Marsha. I was going to say that you need a banjo player, but I see that behind the man on the right that person might be playing a banjo. And to the right of  man on the right that appears to by a banjo on the chair.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Marsha Elliott
@marsha-elliott
02/17/24 01:47:20PM
12 posts

Bodhran (Irish Drum)


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

In my mountain community there are so many fun Jam sessions available. I wanted to have an instrument that I could use when the tunes get too fast or complicated for my dulcimer. A few years ago I bought a used Bodhran from a vender at a Dulcimer festival, found YouTube videos with lessons and in a couple of years I was “rockin’ it. I was going to buy a better one on our planned trip to Scotland/Ireland, but the pandemic hit and the trip was canceled. So I ordered one shipped here from a well known builder in Dublin and it totally upped my game. I still LOVE my dulcimer, but am having the time of my life playing the Bodhran.

 Photo is of the Jam I play with every Thursday night (April thru September) at a local tap-room:

IMG_1432.jpeg

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
02/16/24 04:00:19AM
67 posts

Intonation Problems


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Matt Berg:

At the risk on being a contrarian, I have had good success with keeping my dulcimer from going sharp as you go up the frets a different way that also helps with the bass buzzing problem.  Rather than focusing on the saddle height, I find adjusting the nut or zero fret slightly higher allows me to keep a more consistent and lower action across the fret board.  Yes, definitely, it sounds like your saddle is too high.  When you get that resolved, and if you are in the mood for even more fine tuning, try raising your nut by maybe 10% and see if you can adjust your saddle down about the same percent.  As with any adjustment, your mileage will vary.

 

Good luck and I think you are right in raising the nut.

Nate
@nate
02/16/24 12:08:13AM
440 posts

Ergonomics and Wrist Strain


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Thank you Dusty this is very helpful information and visual context. I used to think there was no wrong way to play the dulcimer until the way I was doing it started to hurt. Now I know of at least one wrong way lol. 

I am 6'3 with long legs that tend to cause my knees to be higher than my hips on most chairs and couches, which is something I was never cognizant about until Strumelia pointed it out. When I do sit on something that lets my legs dangle, it is very comfortable to use a strap and let the dulcimer rest across my legs at a downward angle.

In being more aware about my wrist position and posture, I'm already noticing an improvement in strain.

Thanks folks

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/15/24 10:49:24PM
1,846 posts

Ergonomics and Wrist Strain


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

I'm only a tad taller than Wally, but when I have to sit in a chair that doesn't allow my legs to make a perfectly flat support for the dulcimer, I position the dulcimer comfortably by using a strap.  The strap not only provides some flexibility in sitting positions, but also enables me to angle the dulcimer a little bit so that it is not sitting flat on my lap.

That slight angle of the dulcimer also helps create a more natural angle for both left and right hand. When I first started on the dulcimer I laid the instrument flat on my lap and developed pretty painful tendonitis in the elbow of my strumming hand. Using a strap and changing the angle of the dulcimer cleared that up right away.

For your fretting arm, your entire forearm and hand should make a straight line pointing slightly down, with no angle at the wrist.

Take a look at Aaron O'Rourke here and notice both the way the dulcimer is propped up a bit off his lap and also the straight line of his fretting arm: https://youtu.be/EPClQt6v0Z0?si=08QnvmAx6vM0v60-&t=118 .

They always say there is no wrong way to play the dulcimer, but when I first started and developed tendonitis, and when you found you were straining your wrist, well those are clear signs that we were doing something wrong (at least for us) and needed to alter our approach.

Wally Venable
@wally-venable
02/15/24 10:34:44PM
131 posts

Ergonomics and Wrist Strain


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

As to seating position, I'm only about 5' 6" tall, with short legs. My lap is horizontal when I sit in a 1950s vintage wooden folding chair, but on more modern chairs for table use my lap slopes down in the wrong direction. I carry a piece of hard urethane packing foam about 3" thick and 12" square to use as a foot rest. (That beats trying to find and carry a Sears catalog or city phone book, or hauling my own chair around.) My elbows are above the dulcimer in my lap and my forearms about horizontal.

Some short folks put their heels on the front cross bar of steel chairs and achieve about the same effect.

Time spent on working out your seating is a good long-term investment.

Nate
@nate
02/15/24 10:07:41PM
440 posts

Ergonomics and Wrist Strain


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Thanks folks for these useful tips. Clearly I need to hold my arm at a better angle. I think also paying attention to the level my knees are at will also be very helpful. In general, should my wrist be flat with my forearm, or curved slightly downward?

nicolas_fr
@nicolas-fr
02/15/24 08:25:25AM
4 posts

Is there an option to order replies from oldest to newest ?


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Hello everyone,

Thank you all for the comments. I believe all of what has been said makes sense depending on where you're coming from and the hardware you're using (pc vs mobile). I indeed think like it's been written below (above winky ) that having the response at the top makes a lot of sense for a post that someone is following. It is so much convenient to have the latest reply at the top.

A nice thing would be to allow "followed conversation" or "post in which you replied" to have latest on top, and for the other post, a more traditional way from top to bottom.


updated by @nicolas-fr: 02/16/24 04:36:15AM
shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
02/14/24 02:25:00AM
67 posts

to get chromatic or not


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Comparing it to the violin, which often requires years of dedicated practice to even begin to master, underscores the unique appeal of the dulcimer as an instrument that welcomes players of all skill levels with open arms.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/13/24 01:18:23PM
1,846 posts

Ergonomics and Wrist Strain


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Nate, I agree with the consensus here.  And I know you responded to my post elsewhere about exercises I'm doing to strengthen my fretting fingers.  Basically  the way you are fretting the strings, you are using your arm to push down on the strings rather than your fingers themselves. If you strengthen your fingers, you won't need your wrist or arm and can just have a relaxed hand, letting the fingers do all the work.  My daughter's old piano teacher (well, I mean ex-piano teacher; she's no older than I am oldman ) used to tell her to imagine that a delicate egg was under her hand.  The hand should be curved to protect the egg while her fingers hit the keys. I think the same principle works on the dulcimer.

Contact me by PM and I'll send you a sticker that should help:

curved finger 4 with blue lettering and RCD URL.jpg

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/13/24 12:02:08PM
1,846 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

When you work on a song, you get better at that song. But when you work on your technique, you get better at every song you play.

Strumelia
@strumelia
02/13/24 11:57:51AM
2,402 posts

Ergonomics and Wrist Strain


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

I must agree with KenL. From watching your video here , your wrists are lower than your fretting fingers. It's actually the very same advice for computer ergonomics- elbows and wrists should not be lower than the hands/fingers when typing or mousing. This is to avoid wrist pain and carpal tunnel syndrome over time.
In that video, I see you are sitting on a couch that seems to put your seated hips lower than your knees. That positions the dulcimer on your knees higher up... which in turn causes you to have your wrists & forearms lower than the fretboard. I do recommend that wrists be higher than the fretting fingers, and elbows either at or higher than fretting fingers.
Perhaps this does not apply to your situation Nate, but I did a blog post that might have some useful thought in it about this. I wrote more about fingertip angles than arm or wrist angles, but they are related to each other.
If you are having wrist pain, you may want to examine your computer/device/phone ergonomics as well- they might be a contributing factor.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
02/13/24 11:13:45AM
1,315 posts

Ergonomics and Wrist Strain


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

From your avatar photo you appear to be chording and your wrist is lower than the fret board. I find it much easier to chord if I raise my wrist and come down on the fret board with my fingers. I try to maintain contact with the strings using the tips of my fingers. I don't know if this will help you, but it works for me.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Wally Venable
@wally-venable
02/13/24 08:41:44AM
131 posts

Ergonomics and Wrist Strain


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Given the wide variety of playing styles used on the dulcimer, I don't think there is any "proper form."

Noter-drone playing puts a very different stress on the wrist than any form of chording. Some people I have met who have hand issues find it the only way they can play. It is part of the reason I play almost exclusively in that style. I use a noter which is about 3/8 inch in diameter and about 6 inches long with my forefinger on top and the heal on the noter at my wrist.

You appear in your photo to be playing chords, so that probably won't helpyou at the present, but of your problem becomes severe, consider the noter-drone tradition before giving up.

Nate
@nate
02/13/24 03:52:16AM
440 posts

Ergonomics and Wrist Strain


Playing and jamming difficulties...HELP ME!

Hey folks, can anyone recommend any good videos, articles, or just general advice on proper form for fretting a dulcimer. The way that I fret can put a lot of strain on my wrist at times, so I need to improve my technique, but I don't actually know the correct way to fret ergonomically. Can anyone offer advice or direct me toward content that will help me to learn how to practice good form that puts less stress on my fretting wrist.
I am hesitant to just trust whatever comes up from a google search since I know so little on the topic, so Id be grateful if anyone could share any good resources or tips.
Thanks,
Nate

Nate
@nate
02/13/24 03:36:47AM
440 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Wow Dusty, that sounds rigorous. I'm sure it'll pay off to develop that, though. If I enjoyed doing drills like that, I'd probably have a lot sharper of skills than I get from just plunking around like I do.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/12/24 05:52:17PM
1,846 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I'm a total OCD dulcimer nerd right now. I tabbed out a few fiddle tunes that make for great finger exercises.  For 2-3 days I've just been playing " Harvest Home " over and over, forcing myself to use my pinky for anything on the first fret, middle finger on the second, and index on the third across all the strings. And that's the range of the arrangement, from open bass to third fret on the melody string. So the left hand never moves, requiring the muscles in individual fingers to do all the work.

Both A and B parts of the song have four consecutive triplets are really tough.  I'm forcing myself to use a metronome and play really slowly.  Maybe someday I'll speed up a little, but I'm not there yet.  Sometimes I only play that triplet measure over and over. 

My goal is not to play the song well (or event at all), but to use the song to strengthen my pinky and develop greater finger independence and flatpicking accuracy.

But I do feel like I'm getting a bit geeky nerd and losing touch, like Jack Nicholson huddled over his typewriter in The Shining krazy .

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
02/12/24 04:57:03PM
275 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

@shanonmilan I enjoy Wittner pegs on several traditional dulcimers. Wrist arthritis makes tuning wooden pegs difficult as much as I like them on the traditional instruments.

wibble
@wibble
02/12/24 11:33:45AM
3 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Only been playing for 5 months as a complete beginner but I am now exploring the sounds of CGC tuning. Luckily as it is still 1:5:8 I can still play all the stuff I was learning in DAD. To me CGC just sounds so much more pleasing.

I also discovered I like playing with harmonies and am working on a little ditty,  something along the lines of 023 - 034  - 045 - 023 -022 - 011 - 103 -113- 012 - 234 045 - 056 -045 - 056 and so on and trying different strumming patterns.

Just need to  learn to write what I play in musical notation now, for the fun of learning it.


updated by @wibble: 02/13/24 04:35:47AM
Susie
@susie
02/12/24 05:10:01AM
515 posts

Dulcimer Bag Lady Dulcimer Bags


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Dusty is right, giving them a call is a good idea....it's what I did last year, when I ordered a music stand (it was taking longer than Steve stated and I was getting frustrated). I think, to continue, they need to figure out a better business plan, because communication is so important. Here's what he posted on Facebook in August:

MESSAGE from STEVE BINKLEY, 
THISTLEDEW ACRES (dulcimerbaglady.com):

I am writing this to let you know that Thistledew Acres 
aka dulcimerbaglady.com is alive and moving forward 
in this dulcimer world that we love.

There is no doubt that the ‘office’ side of the business 
including communications and filling orders in a timely 
manner is not what I want it to be at this time.  I sincerely
apologize for any frustration I have caused.

With the encouragement of some treasured music friends, 
plans are in the works for extra quality help on the office 
part of my business.  In moving forward, I will be able to 
spend my time in the wood shop and at the sewing machines.  
Making product is what I love!
Sincerely,
Steve


updated by @susie: 02/12/24 05:20:34AM
shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
02/12/24 01:56:24AM
67 posts

What Are You Working On?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

It's great that people appreciate the convenience they offer while maintaining the aesthetic appeal of the instrument. And trying out Wittner pegs sounds like an exciting experiment! Their reputation for quality and reliability suggests you're in for a treat.

Strumelia
@strumelia
02/11/24 04:25:38PM
2,402 posts

instrument question- Stephens Lutherie/holy grail dulcimer?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

@Randy I like Dwight Diller's story and tune version. He called it Dead Man's Piece i think. At least i think it was the same piece, a very old banjo tune, almost just a repeated phrase. Best teacher I ever had. Never in a rush, knew the power of silences between the notes.

Randy Adams
@randy-adams
02/11/24 03:26:55PM
125 posts

instrument question- Stephens Lutherie/holy grail dulcimer?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Ah but Lisa a good old time banjo picker playing a just right old time banjo in that good shaving a dead man tuning...transcends the mortal world...and I know you know that ❤️

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/10/24 06:28:20PM
1,846 posts

Dulcimer Bag Lady Dulcimer Bags


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Sorry to hear that, @greg-gunner.  The website lists a phone number; have you tried calling?

Banjimer
@greg-gunner
02/10/24 03:04:45PM
143 posts

Dulcimer Bag Lady Dulcimer Bags


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

The last couple of years the Dulcimer Bag Lady has not done a good job of communicating and responding to orders.  My most recent order was submitted in December 2023.  I'm still waiting for the order to be acknowledged.  A follow-up e-mail has also received no response.

The dulcimer bags are of exceptional quality, but the business end needs to be addressed if they want to continue selling dulcimer bags.  

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
02/10/24 12:48:38PM
1,846 posts

Is there an option to order replies from oldest to newest ?


Site QUESTIONS ? How do I...?

Newest on top is very convenient when you are an active participant in an ongoing conversation.  That way you can join and see quickly the comments added since your last visit. Easy peasy!

Wildcat
@wildcat
02/09/24 08:03:06PM
21 posts

The Drifting Thread...


OFF TOPIC discussions

@strumelia just shy of 50° here in Peru, NY, but warm enough to wash my truck without it turning into a truckcicle!

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