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Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/12/23 08:13:59PM
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Ken Longfield:

The spruce top was an upgrade on the M8 and is solid wood as were all the tops. George Looney was one of the craftsman in the McSpadden shop. People think that because a person's name appears on a McSpadden dulcimer that that was the person who built it. That was not the case. Building McSpadden dulcimers was a team effort and all the craftspeople had a hand in each dulcimer. They took turns doing the various tasks. The person who was responsible for gluing on the back was the one who signed the instrument. Your dulcimer appears to be in very good condition. I'm sure that you will enjoy playing it.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

I remember reading about this when I started researching older model McSpaddens. It was surprising to learn that each dulcimer was a team effort. I suppose the crafter who added the final touch assumed responsibility for all aspects of its quality with their signature. Very cool that builders sign their work~when each piece is a work of art, it deserves a signature. 
John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
10/12/23 05:49:31PM
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I believe that George Looney's name appears on one of my McSpaddens as well!  Looks like yours has the scroll end, before they switched to flat tuning heads. Congratulations !

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
10/12/23 05:40:54PM
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Moondancer, I'm traveling at the moment and will be home on Sunday. I have brochure from McSpadden from 1974 which shows the M8 and the price with case at that time. I'll scan it and post it here. I may also have a price list for McSpaddens from the early 1990s.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
10/12/23 02:57:02PM
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The spruce top was an upgrade on the M8 and is solid wood as were all the tops. George Looney was one of the craftsman in the McSpadden shop. People think that because a person's name appears on a McSpadden dulcimer that that was the person who built it. That was not the case. Building McSpadden dulcimers was a team effort and all the craftspeople had a hand in each dulcimer. They took turns doing the various tasks. The person who was responsible for gluing on the back was the one who signed the instrument. Your dulcimer appears to be in very good condition. I'm sure that you will enjoy playing it.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/12/23 02:35:48PM
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NateBuildsToys:

Moon Dancer "]

The seller accepted my offer, and it should be here someitime next week.  It’s thought to be an M8, built somewhere in the neighborhood of 1984 from walnut (back and sides) with a spruce top. 



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congrats on the purchase! its a fine looking instrument and I hope you have fun with it.

Thank you Nate. Keep us posted on your waterproof dulcimer. I think you might find a great niche market amongst Floridians and coastal resident players everywhere :) 
Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/12/23 02:28:39PM
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Forgot to add, the builder is a gent by the name of George Looney

Nate
@nate
10/12/23 02:23:21PM
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Moon Dancer "]

The seller accepted my offer, and it should be here someitime next week.  It’s thought to be an M8, built somewhere in the neighborhood of 1984 from walnut (back and sides) with a spruce top. 



https://fotmd.com/image/image/image_file/312/original>

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congrats on the purchase! its a fine looking instrument and I hope you have fun with it.
Nate
@nate
10/12/23 02:22:02PM
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Ken Hulme:

Nate -- build a dulcimer out of 1/8" plexiglass...  I played one once -- sounded decent anyway.  

 
That is definitely going on the "think about more until I have a good way to implement it" list, Ken
Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/12/23 01:31:00PM
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Moon Dancer "]

The seller accepted my offer, and it should be here someitime next week.  It’s thought to be an M8, built somewhere in the neighborhood of 1984 from walnut (back and sides) with a spruce top. 



https://fotmd.com/image/image/image_file/312/original>

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Moon Dancer "]

The seller accepted my offer, and it should be here someitime next week.  It’s thought to be an M8, built somewhere in the neighborhood of 1984 from walnut (back and sides) with a spruce top. 



https://fotmd.com/image/image/image_file/312/original>

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oh, an d it was built by George Looney 

Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/12/23 01:26:19PM
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The seller accepted my offer, and it should be here someitime next week.  It’s thought to be an M8, built somewhere in the neighborhood of 1984 from walnut (back and sides) with a spruce top. 

Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/12/23 12:59:10PM
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Ken Hulme:

The only laminate dulcimer that I've seen de-laminate was one that didn't quite survive last year's Hurricane Ian.  And that was a combination of being submerged for a week in water who's temperature was approaching 100F.  Several years ago I acquired a 'no-name' laminate-body dulcimer, and had passed it on to a student.  She called about three weeks after we were hit by Ian, and wondered if it was recoverable.  Their house had more than 4 ft of water trapped inside for over a week before they could even get back onto Sanibel island and think about beginning recovery.  They had to empty not only water but organically stinking mud from inside the instrument.  The water receded and things began dry out -- in temperatures also around 100F with no A/C -- no electricity.  It started de-laminating wherever there were bare plywood edges.  The finish had crackled enough to let water under the 'skin', and of course the inside was not protected at all.   I salvaged the tuners and that was it.

Other than that I've not heard anything a laminate dulcimers not standing up to normal use.   One that Harpmaker Dave made me out of Baltic Birch, lived aboard my un-airconditioned sailboat for a decade, and had no issues at all in our het and humidity here in Southwest Florida.

@mooddancer -- I understand you have an acquaintance who builds and plays -- why not get him/her to build you are shorter scale dulcimer which I understand is what you're looking for?.  That would no doubt be better than any McSpadden ever made.  

 

Living in the foothills of the mighty Blue Ridge we will probably never have to worry about any hurricane flooding or mudslides of that magnitude. Ian was a devastating monster of a storm. I imagine it must have been especially terrifying to anyone who sheltered in place. On the flip side of Florida life, the story of the dulcimer that lived aboard your sailboat for 10 years is pretty awesome, and a testament of your builder’s craft for sure~amazing. And yes, I do have an acquaintance who both plays and builds, but her dulcimers are priced well outside of my reach. 

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10/12/23 11:58:16AM
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Nate -- build a dulcimer out of 1/8" plexiglass...  I played one once -- sounded decent anyway.  

Nate
@nate
10/12/23 09:11:03AM
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At the risk of making light of a serious situation, a dulcimer full of muddy water sounds like something I'd like to try playing. I have been wanting to try to make a dulcimer that is entirely coated in a waterproof finish, inside and out, and let it "soak" to see if anything happens.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10/12/23 08:14:18AM
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The only laminate dulcimer that I've seen de-laminate was one that didn't quite survive last year's Hurricane Ian.  And that was a combination of being submerged for a week in water who's temperature was approaching 100F.  Several years ago I acquired a 'no-name' laminate-body dulcimer, and had passed it on to a student.  She called about three weeks after we were hit by Ian, and wondered if it was recoverable.  Their house had more than 4 ft of water trapped inside for over a week before they could even get back onto Sanibel island and think about beginning recovery.  They had to empty not only water but organically stinking mud from inside the instrument.  The water receded and things began dry out -- in temperatures also around 100F with no A/C -- no electricity.  It started de-laminating wherever there were bare plywood edges.  The finish had crackled enough to let water under the 'skin', and of course the inside was not protected at all.   I salvaged the tuners and that was it.

Other than that I've not heard anything a laminate dulcimers not standing up to normal use.   One that Harpmaker Dave made me out of Baltic Birch, lived aboard my un-airconditioned sailboat for a decade, and had no issues at all in our het and humidity here in Southwest Florida.

@mooddancer -- I understand you have an acquaintance who builds and plays -- why not get him/her to build you are shorter scale dulcimer which I understand is what you're looking for?.  That would no doubt be better than any McSpadden ever made.  

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
10/12/23 02:25:42AM
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Fiddle


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NateBuildsToys:

Thank you very much shanon! I'm already having a lot of fun with it :)

 

That's good to hear, feel free to share your fiddle performances here.

Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/11/23 11:33:43PM
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John C. Knopf:

The difference in size between the M-8 and the M-12 will be in the body width/size.  I believe that they both use the same fretboard and scale length.  Both are beautiful to play and hear.

John C. Knopf:

The difference in size between the M-8 and the M-12 will be in the body width/size.  I believe that they both use the same fretboard and scale length.  Both are beautiful to play and hear.

Oh, okay. So, there wont be any tiny hands advantage to me, but “beautiful to play and hear” definately trumps fretboard scale. I will be very content in that knowledge. Thank you John. I love learning all of this wonderful history~it just adds to the fun of it all. 
John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
10/11/23 09:23:37PM
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The difference in size between the M-8 and the M-12 will be in the body width/size.  I believe that they both use the same fretboard and scale length.  Both are beautiful to play and hear.

Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/11/23 08:57:17PM
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Richard Streib:

I am remembering that maybe the change over from laminate to solid wood was about 1996. It seems I remember the McSpadden having to send too much of the plywood back due to poor quality and it was slowing down production. I have had 2 McSpadden's with laminate bottoms with no trouble at all.

Richard Streib:

I am remembering that maybe the change over from laminate to solid wood was about 1996. It seems I remember the McSpadden having to send too much of the plywood back due to poor quality and it was slowing down production. I have had 2 McSpadden's with laminate bottoms with no trouble at all.

Well, this is music to my ears~thank you! And somewhere along the way, I read that the M8 is slightly smaller that the M12, which may also be a good match (if it works out) as I have very small hands and it might be a tiny bit easier reach for chord placement.  
Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/11/23 08:08:07PM
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Ken Longfield:

If I recall correctly the M-8 is about the size of the kit John is building. If, as you say, it well cared for, you will have a fine dulcimer to play. I do hope you are able to get it. I look forward to seeing it.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

I haven’t had any reply yet, and Im really trying not to get to get my hopes up…but failing miserably! I offered as much Im able to at the moment, but it’s still $50 less than he’s asking. Perhaps this one is not meant for me. And that’s okay, because armed with all this new information, the search field just opened up a whole lot .Thank you (all) for helping me navigate. There’s a lot of information on the internet, and Im learning just how much I dont know every day!  
Richard Streib:

I am remembering that maybe the change over from laminate to solid wood was about 1996. It seems I remember the McSpadden having to send too much of the plywood back due to poor quality and it was slowing down production. I have had 2 McSpadden's with laminate bottoms with no trouble at all.

 
Richard Streib
@richard-streib
10/11/23 07:05:25PM
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I am remembering that maybe the change over from laminate to solid wood was about 1996. It seems I remember the McSpadden having to send too much of the plywood back due to poor quality and it was slowing down production. I have had 2 McSpadden's with laminate bottoms with no trouble at all.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
10/11/23 02:11:48PM
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If I recall correctly the M-8 is about the size of the kit John is building. If, as you say, it well cared for, you will have a fine dulcimer to play. I do hope you are able to get it. I look forward to seeing it.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/11/23 12:50:32PM
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John C. Knopf:

I'm putting together a McSpadden kit right now, and the laminated sides are very substantial, high-quality plywood.  McSpaddens are well-designed instruments.  I'm not aware of any of theirs being solid wood.

I have made an offer on an M-8 that looks well cared for, circa 83-83 best guess based on the serial number provided. Fingers crossed!
Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/11/23 12:48:25PM
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Ken Longfield:

The wood laminates that McSpadden are of excellent quality. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. I've never heard of one separating. I think they were three ply with the outer layers being cherry or walnut and the inner ply either birch or poplar. I'm not sure when the changeover to all solid woods was made, but it was probably sometime in the1990s. BTW, the reason the Schnaufer model is no longer made is that the cherry laminate from which it was made is no longer available. David specified that only the cherry plywood could be used for the body of his signature instrument.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Thank you. In that case, I think I have finally found my dulcimer. It it works out~I’ll post a photo
John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
10/11/23 12:28:04PM
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I'm putting together a McSpadden kit right now, and the laminated sides are very substantial, high-quality plywood.  McSpaddens are well-designed instruments.  I'm not aware of any of theirs being solid wood.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
10/11/23 12:22:38PM
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The wood laminates that McSpadden are of excellent quality. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. I've never heard of one separating. I think they were three ply with the outer layers being cherry or walnut and the inner ply either birch or poplar. I'm not sure when the changeover to all solid woods was made, but it was probably sometime in the1990s. BTW, the reason the Schnaufer model is no longer made is that the cherry laminate from which it was made is no longer available. David specified that only the cherry plywood could be used for the body of his signature instrument.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Moon Dancer
@moon-dancer
10/11/23 10:27:31AM
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Does anyone know what year McSpadden switched from laminate to all solid wood builds?  I’ve found several early 80s dulcimers in my price range  that looked very well cared for, but worried that time and the elements might weaken a wood laminate build.  

pattyfromor
@pattyfromor
10/10/23 05:52:55PM
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Electric dulcimer wiring diagrams or instructions?


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Thanks, John. I found some wiring instructions for a mini-humbucker that may be all we need. (Not really sure yet!) The diagrams I found were for Piezo, but it might not be all that different--just two wires!

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
10/10/23 03:13:40PM
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Electric dulcimer wiring diagrams or instructions?


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Patty, check out the stuff on cbgitty.com  They show simple pickup set-ups and diagrams.  They could probably help you out.

pattyfromor
@pattyfromor
10/10/23 02:28:55PM
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Electric dulcimer wiring diagrams or instructions?


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Hi, My husband is going to make me an electric dulcimer, and I picked up a humbucker pickup & bridge recommended by a former builder on the web and am ready to buy an output jack, but we really are clueless about wiring the pieces up. Can anyone recommend a book (there are two for guitars on Amazon) or anyone who sells diagrams for dulcimer? We'd like to go as simple as possible on this first one.

Nate
@nate
10/09/23 03:42:40AM
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Fiddle


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Thank you very much shanon! I'm already having a lot of fun with it :)

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
10/09/23 02:35:26AM
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NateBuildsToys:

Ive just started learning fiddle! It's the one instrument that Ive always wished I was really good at, if I could pick one. Guess it's finally time to get that ball rolling! 

Nate

 

Good luck on your journey.

Redmando
@redmando
10/07/23 05:51:32AM
25 posts

Conversation with William Duddy


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

William Duddy from Belfast, Northern Ireland is a trustee and active member of the Nonsuch Dulcimer Club over here in the UK. I had a chat with him recently about how he got into music, his dulcimers and the folk scene in Belfast. Here's our conversation in my blog: Conversation with William Duddy

Dobro Dave
@dobro-dave
10/06/23 07:24:34AM
1 posts

Jerusalem Ridge


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I realize this topic is old, but I tabbed out Jerusalem Ridge if you are still looking

shanonmilan
@shanonmilan
10/06/23 02:11:13AM
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NateBuildsToys:

Ken, I've become a bit of an instrument hoarder and I probably own more instruments than anyone could master in a lifetime, so I get what you mean. The fiddle is one that I feel more motivation for than other instruments so I finally bought myself a beginner model. I am hoping some stuff I learned on mandolin can transfer over

Nate

 

I believe so. Good luck on your journey.

Nate
@nate
10/02/23 10:52:05PM
408 posts

Nickel allergy--nylon strings on an octave dulcimer?


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Thats pretty interesting. Does the red rub off on your finders while practicing?

IRENE
@irene
10/02/23 08:39:49PM
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Native American Flutes


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ahhhhhh, Time for thank you.   Thanks Richard for the Stewmac place to get the bone bridge and nut.   Steve, thanks for THE FABULOUS LIST of all your instruments.   way cool.  I have much of the same things and I so enjoyed making many of them through the years.  One person came in my house and asked, "Is this a music store?"  ha.  not......but that's how I got into making so many instruments for others.  Way fun!!!  But my husband played instruments and so do all my children.  aloha, irene

grysbok
@grysbok
10/02/23 09:23:34AM
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Nickel allergy--nylon strings on an octave dulcimer?


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They feel like plastic, but with a matte texture. If you run your finger along a string there's a slight sound, like with a wound string except much softer.

Nate
@nate
10/02/23 07:34:04AM
408 posts

Native American Flutes


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IRENE:
I need to know where I can get some bone for the bridge.
 
Irene, if you are not in a place where bone can be shipped to you easily from an online seller, I have found that some pet stores sell large intact chunks of cow bones in the dog bone section
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