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folkfan
@folkfan
04/14/12 07:59:37PM
357 posts



I think that one takes the cake and puts the icing on it. My first thought was a great instrument to play "Pistol Packin' Mama" on. The next was to wonder if the alien finger picks???

My courting box dulcimer is about the most unusual dulcimer that I have a photo of. It has it's own removable lid.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/13/12 01:42:01PM
2,157 posts

Howie Mitchell Dulcimer Building Book and Booklets Available Again!


Dulcimer Resources:TABS/Books/websites/DVDs

David Mitchell, Howie's son, and the publisher of his classic 1960s book

The Mountain Dulcimer -- How to Make and Play It (after a fashion)

have just made the book available to the dulcimer building and playing public as a pair of downloadable PDF files.

The book has long been out of print and only available through libraries - although the publisher says they have a few copies on hand for sale... Find the links and discussion here:

http://www.everythingdulcimer.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28295&p=344973#p344973

The slightly different 1962, predecessor pamphletis available here:

http://www.everythingdulcimer.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28278

These are not only fabulous resources for wannabe dulcimer builders, but also for players. Back when I got started playing, this and Jean Ritchie's Appalachian Dulcimer book were about all that were available.


updated by @ken-hulme: 06/11/15 07:30:02AM
phil
@phil
04/30/12 09:13:14PM
129 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Went to visit my Mom yesterday at the nursing home. I had George my dulcimer (it came with that name so I kept it).
I was standing in the hall waiting to get into my Mom's room. she has become wheelchair bound over the years.. when another woman walked up and asked if I was there to play music. I said I was there to play for my Mom. I felt ashamed after I said it could see the disappointment in her eyes. Now I'm just a beginner and maybe can play two or three songs worth anything in my opinion, if I am lucky. Played for about 30 minutes give or take for my Mom. Seems like for her she don't care how many missed notes I play she likes it anyway.
As I was getting ready to leave I was taking the shortcut to the door by cutting through the dinning room I didn't want to disappoint anymo4re people. Boy talk about what goes around comes around. there was a bunch of people sitting up to play bingo. As soon as they seen my case they didn't bother to ask they assumed I was there to play for them, they stopped setting up for bingo turned their chairs to the face the front of the room. What ya going to do when there's at lest 20 people looking at you to play something for them and you know there's now more on the way.
I did the only thing I could do and live with I went to the front and pulled out George and lucky for me I had a bunch of sheet music with me. some I had yet to even try to pay yet. Boy I was wishing I had one of my Guitars with me instead of my Dulcimer, or at lest one of my Native American flutes. Took a deep breath and went to work without any kind of a set list. I started with Scotland the Brave, the crippled Spanish Fandango then on to a couple that went aq lot better This land is your land witch got them to singing and blow'n the wind and then some hymns They clapped along they laughed( I have been blessed with the gift of gab Plus I am a decent adliber.) they tapped their toes. It didn't last long maybe 30 minutes, I think they had a good time at lest that what I was told.. Me I was happy to be heading out the door. Next time I really want to be ready, that was never racking. but felt good in the end.
Carolyn Beaulieu
@carolyn-beaulieu
04/30/12 06:28:06PM
1 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I have worked in a nursing home for 24 years and an assisted living for the past year...I havewitnessed the power of music in so many ways. Before I started playing the dulcimer I tried to teach myself to play the keyboard. I would play at work (PAINFULLY slow to start!) you could never have a more grateful and encouraging audience...we would played name that tune ...if they could tell what I was playing then I knew I was getting better...if they couldn't tell they would say how wonderful it sounded anyway! Same thing with the dulcimer today...and when my dog sings along they love it even better! I would encourage everyone to play at least once.

phil
@phil
04/22/12 05:23:29PM
129 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Just seen this story on FOX News. on how some Hospital and a growing number are using Music therapy.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/22/little-music-goes-long-way/?test=latestnews

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
04/21/12 03:55:42AM
402 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thank you for sharing this video! I have felt the power of music, myself, and feel it's as necessary to life as air and water.

Strumelia
@strumelia
04/12/12 12:36:38PM
2,403 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Phil, it's a great organization! Thanks to you for drawing our attention to it. And Melody, who works with the organization doing these programs, has now joined FOTMD as a member too! Melody says she loves dulcimer music and has some on her playlists.

Karen Keane
@karen-keane
04/11/12 06:17:22PM
11 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Music is such a part of my life that is hard for me to imagine that people don't have access to music twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. Music is indeed very powerful and allows us to express our inner soul, whether we are young or old, music makes us feel. It reminds us of moments in our life, helps us heal, and brings a smile to our faces. Thank you for posting this Phil, it reminded me of the true power of music and our responsibility to bring that joy to others on a daily basis.

phil
@phil
04/11/12 04:46:18PM
129 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Strumelia Thank you for adding this to my post. I wish I had this information when I received the link from a friend.

Macy Jayne
@wendy-coons-karrasch
04/10/12 09:53:21PM
24 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Phil, great discussion title. Music has been VERY powerful in my life. When I finally hit bottom 8 years ago, God drew me up out of the pit through music and I finally put my trust in Jesus. I haven't played in a nursing home yet, but have seen how music affects children, sometimes calms them and sometimes winds them up

Strumelia
@strumelia
04/09/12 11:25:29PM
2,403 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Phil, that is something very, very special that you are playing for your mother now.

phil
@phil
04/09/12 07:47:09PM
129 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I have been going to the nursing home and playing for my Mom. I don't think I am that good yet on the dulcimer but it sure seemed to draw a crowed around her door last week. I normally play my flute or guitar for her. I have been learning a lot more of the old hymns for her.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
04/09/12 12:25:25PM
1,553 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Hi, John! Your point about young people and music is right on the mark.

It's fascinating to me how in the video, it seems it was the singing and enjoyment of music when he was a younger man that caused hearing the music on the iPod to trigger something in the gentleman's brain. As Strumelia wrote about classical music being such a joy to her mother and continuing to be even as her body weakened. . . The languages of music can speak, move us in mysterious ways. I'm awed by this.

John E. Wood said:

Having played in nursing homes, I've experienced this. Music is really a powerfully moving force. I'm not in the healing profession but I know there are studies going on regarding the healing effects of music. And I firmly believe that encouraging young people to MAKE some kind of music has to have some upbuilding effect on their lives. The mountain dulcimer is one of the instruments well suited to making music easy for many folks who have neither the time nor the financial resources or talent to master a more complicated instrument. I'm glad to be a part of the mountain dulcimer community. Best wishes to all.

Strumelia
@strumelia
04/09/12 11:47:30AM
2,403 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Phil, what a WONDERFUL video to watch....brought tears to my eyes this morning. Everyone should watch this to the end of the video- gets better and better.

My mother spent her last 2.5 years in a nursing home near me, and I made sure she had her classical music radio station playing all day in her room, every single day. I would make sure and check that the nurses turned it on every day. It played while I sat with her as she died, too. Classical music was my mother's biggest joy in life. (Aside from spending time together the two of us, that is.)

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
04/09/12 11:17:35AM
1,553 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Phil, this video is powerful! Music, whether 'live' or recorded, has the power to move mountains. Recorded music-- music that sounds just as (or much like) what the older person heard when younger-- could trigger something buried in the mind. Miraculous.

Thanks a million for posting this link! I'm going to have Mark watch this video.

phil
@phil
04/08/12 11:43:38PM
129 posts

The Power of Music


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

As musicians we sometime don't realize how the music we make may effect someone else life. If you have ever had the opportunity to play in a nursing home you can see it upon the face of the peple that live there.

I was not sure where to post this video. but it truly show the power of music.

(Strumelia edit):

Here is a link to Music and Memory , a non-profit organization helping the elderly through music, where you can find out more about their wonderful programs and you can help!

http://www.musicandmemory.org/


updated by @phil: 08/03/23 03:33:11PM
john p
@john-p
04/10/12 08:17:44AM
173 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thanks for the link phil,

'Gum Tree Canoe' I mentioned earlier is No 10.

john p

phil
@phil
04/09/12 11:12:22PM
129 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

if I may be so bold I would like to post a link of John Hartford. here is a quote from the person that posted this series of video.

"Shot in a studio with TV cameras, and no audience, John sings many favorites on this video.
Never released on DVD, and no longer produced on VHS, this OOP video is getting harder to find.
I was lucky enough to obtain a sealed copy and encode off the 1st play of the tape."

John Hartford - Learning To Smile

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
04/09/12 04:23:50PM
242 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

One of my favorite John Hartford albums is Hamilton Ironworks. He does a fair amount of talking on this album, partly about the people he learned from or played with growing up, partly about the songs. He sticks to fiddle on this album, leaving the banjo to Bob Carlin, a fine clawhammer player. I like the stories almost as much as the songs. Try listening here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B00005NNKU/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img?ie=UTF8&refTagSuffix=dp_img

I also like Johns Steamboat songs a lot.

Paul

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
04/09/12 04:13:59PM
242 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

"Really all it's about is an offset from whatever tonic key you're playing in, itself very often somewhat questionable when you're playing something pentatonic, for example. It's easier to describe the offset from tonic and the key."

If you play chords, the correct chords for the mode are made from the scale that contained in that mode. If you use drones, they come from the scale that the mode contains. The drones are nearly always the root and fifth, but the chords created from the scale will use notes not available in all closely related modes. This is the misunderstanding that I referred to. And it comes in great part from the belief that extra frets and capos can give us any mode in the same key in any tuning. Which is why many players use an A7 chord where they should be playing a C. And why I have seen some players play DAA tabs in DAD tuning, ignoring the fact that they are playing the melody in G, but the drones are in D. It grates on the ears like nails on a black board, and they don't grasp the difference. Because someone told them the extra fret makes it work. The fact that the pentatonic song doesn't use all the notes doesn't change the fact that the harmonies depend upon a certain modal scale. The harmony may require notes not contained in the melody. Chromatic instruments are less bound by these dictates, as the notes are always available, and as chromatic players, we don't focus on what tuning will give us the missing notes. As diatonic players, if we ignore this body of knowledge, we rob ourselves of the ability to use this knowledge to make our music sound good. When we choose between the use of drones or chords, this is a conscious decision, dictated by our tastes. When we choose not to learn, we hamper ourselves from making other conscious decisions.

Paul

folkfan
@folkfan
04/09/12 02:17:34PM
357 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Randy, Thanks for posting this video. Mostly I don't listen to mountain music on the fiddle, but Mr. Hartford playing gives a sweet sound to this tune. Mostly I tend to associate the fiddle with a screech (guess I haven't heard many good fiddle players or the right tunes). I'll have to do a search and see if I can find more of his work.

Truth to tell, in the past, Ashokan Farewell is the only fiddle tune that I've listened to and really enjoyed. Thanks again.

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
04/09/12 02:04:48PM
239 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Not necessarily true. Modes as simple descriptors in the way that dulcimer players use them are very useful. Whenan OT session goes to the key of A the fiddlers may use AEAE forBuffalo Gals, Old Joe Clark and Cluck Old Hen etc. However, we need 3 different A tunings for those 3 tunes (ionian, mixolidian, dorian) - so it is pretty handy to have our own descriptors (and to some extent be able to hear the scales) to be able to place the root A on the right starting fret through re-tuning. It saves a lot of time and confusion to be able to call modes. And they are not an offset from the tonic key on the dulcimer as you cannot add a flattened 3rd for this or a flattened 7th for that - we don't have the semitones! You have to physically move the start point of the scale on the instrument through re-tuning.

Thosemodal names are bloody useful for traditional playing styleswhere you have touse a lot of different tunings.

Jeremy Main said:

Mostly because the Victorians made it complicated and then added an extra layer of nonsense by adding those quasi-mystical Greek names. Really all it's about is an offset from whatever tonic key you're playing in, itself very often somewhat questionable when you're playing something pentatonic, for example. It's easier to describe the offset from tonic and the key.

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
04/09/12 10:22:25AM
239 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

It sounds like A mixolidian - like many Irish derived tunes (Red Haired Boy etc). Try A',A,A or A',A,d with a 6+

john p
@john-p
04/09/12 08:17:45AM
173 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Loved this guy and his presentation.

One of my treasured videos is of him singing 'Gum Tree Canoe' on an empty stage. I shall have to go see if I can find it again, it's on one of my old machines or a CD somewhere.

I think it's Dorian Randy, but I've come across these Appalachian fiddle players before and they aren't too fussy about modes. They seem quite happy to play something in between if they can't make up their mind whether it should be a major or minor interval.

john p

Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
04/09/12 07:27:13AM
420 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Got down the dulcimer and played several John Hartford tunes. Surprising how easily they transfered. He was such a talent. I'd have to listen a few more times to see if I could determine the mode. It sounds like it'll be a fun tune to learn.

Thanks, Randy. John was one of the great ones.

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
04/09/12 01:30:35AM
242 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I liked John a lot, too. But I'm not convinced most dulcimer players understand modes any better than any one else. I am sure some do, but a lot of us are still misunderstanding modes.

Paul

phil
@phil
04/08/12 11:25:41PM
129 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I know what you mean about listening to John Hartford play. I feel the same way. he was one of the great ones.

Randy Adams
@randy-adams
04/08/12 09:48:36PM
125 posts

John Hartford


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I was perusing BHO this morn and came across a thread about this tune.. Squirrel Hunters. It is comical when the banjo dudes try to determine the mode...they don't understand it like dulcimer players...uh huh...we're the experts about modes!

I am always inspired when I hear John Hartford. Somehow what passes thru to me is a determination and confidence and I want to practice, and practice, and maybe the music could flow out from inside me like it did for him.

So what mode is it?


updated by @randy-adams: 06/09/16 08:21:50PM
Peter W.
@peter-w
02/21/14 03:01:16PM
48 posts

Kantele: How Difficult to Learn - How Do You Play It?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Strumming the small kantele is so much fun!

I reworked the chord chart I have uploaded here the other day.

I tried to show which of the most common chords are available on the five string kantele. I added the chart as jpg and as pdf here.

On the five string kantele, some chords are incomplete ambiguios (i.e. identical fingerings may stand for different chords. For example, A and Am are identical, because there is no c or c# string. Em (e-g-b) and C (c-e-g) are identical, because there is no c and no b string on the five string kantele). Incomplete chords become "completed" and distinct when someone sings or plays a melody instrument along.

If there are any mistakes or if you have suggestions, just let me know. Thank you.

Susie
@susie
04/07/12 10:04:30AM
512 posts

Kantele: How Difficult to Learn - How Do You Play It?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Thank you, Macy Jayne. Looks like you are well on your way with your Kantele. You did a beautiful job on the instrument and learning the song. I also appreciated the link to the video where you bought yours.

Thank you, Barbara, for alerting Macy Jayne to this post.

I'd love to get additional feedback from others out there. It's a pretty sounding instrument and it's not common. That's what makes it interesting.

Susie
@susie
04/06/12 08:35:21PM
512 posts

Kantele: How Difficult to Learn - How Do You Play It?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I appreciated your suggestion about Ken's video. You didn't know if I saw it yet or not. Maybe Macy Jane will post...I don't know her. Thanks for the post.

Barbara P said:

Sorry I couldn't be of any help frets alot.

Susie
@susie
04/06/12 07:15:34PM
512 posts

Kantele: How Difficult to Learn - How Do You Play It?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

Barbara, Yes , I did see Ken's video. But he didn't talk much about some of the things I was interested in or actually play songs on it. So, that's why I thought I'd see if I could get more information here.
Barbara P said

Have you seen this video on Youtube? I think Ken Bloom gives a nice overview of the instrument:

You can also ask Macy Jane who just built one. She's a member here and I am sure she could answer some questions.

Susie
@susie
04/06/12 04:37:36PM
512 posts

Kantele: How Difficult to Learn - How Do You Play It?


Adventures with 'other' instruments...

I'm taking a guess that some of you dulcimer playershave alsodabbled with the Kantele. If so, does anyone want to answer a fewquestions and/or share their thoughts/experiences....

How difficult is it to learn?

How do you play it?

How many strings do you recommend?

Just curious for some input. Thanks.


updated by @susie: 10/27/19 12:02:25PM
phil
@phil
03/30/12 09:04:43PM
129 posts



Val I really can't add much to what Ken has already told you. We'll help ya where we can and get ya on the road to playing.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
03/30/12 08:46:05PM
2,157 posts



Val - look inside and see if you can see a maker's label or signature. Take a photo of the fretboard for us to see. Measure the exact distance from the inside of the nut to the inside of the bridge and put that here with the photo of the fretboard. Next measure the distances between the tops of the frets, to the nearest 1/64th inch or 1/2 millimeter, and then we can compare them to the actual measurements that are given in fret space calculators like the StewMac one Howard mentioned.

This is the sort of problem that, unfortunately, some beginners run into (you're not the first, don't feel too bad) bybuying an instrument online when they don't really know what they're looking at. We'll do our best to get things figured out for you. If the instrument is not built correctly we'll help you file an Ebay complaint against the seller and get your money back...

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
03/30/12 08:15:22PM
1,553 posts



Hi, Val! If you can tell us who made your dulcimer, it may help with an answer to your question. The reason I say this is some individual builders had somewhat quirky yet rather consistent fret placements. If you are able to post a photo, that'd be great, too.

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
04/02/12 07:05:13PM
239 posts



I would have to say that I agree with you there Paul. A mic' into the pa gives the best acoustic sound. I usually use a Sure SM57 - nice and robust, reliable and directional. They are around $80. You can get a stronger signal off of an undersaddle transducer but you then color the tone, in the same wayas an undersaddle transducer does on an acoustic guitar - they are not'bad' just different to the pure acoustic sound. If I neededI high level ofoutput then I could be tempted to just go fully electric - but I can't see me doing that personally as it would not suit the music I want to play.

Paul Certo
@paul-certo
04/02/12 06:38:21PM
242 posts



The best amplified acoustic sound you will get is from a good mic and a PA. A guitar amp is designed primarily for a magnetic pickup. This will give your dulcimer an electric guitar sound. If this is the sound you want, that's what you do to get it. If you want an amplified sound as close as possible to the acoustic sound of your dulcimer, a good mic and PA is the best way to go. The problem here is the expense can be more than some of us want to spend, for casual gigs. Somewhere in the $600 and up range for the PA, and at least $100 for the mic. Add ons such as equalizers or pre amps may send it up a good bit more. And studio quality mics are delicate things no one wants to use in a live situation where travel is involved. These mics can run to as much as several thousand dollars each. Large studios use them, they put them away after the session is finished. There are guitar amps designed with the idea of amplifying acoustic guitars, and these can be a good compromise instead of a PA. Most have 2 to 4 inputs, probably not more. Mine will take a guitar or a bass, and a vocal mic. I have run it with a guitar, bass and a mic, but it isn't really intended for a multi-instrument set up. The PA is the better choice if you want to plug multiple players and vocal mics into it. Unless everyone brings their own amp.

Mics are made with different pick up patterns, as Robin said above. Uni directional mics are semi deaf in certain directions. This keeps the clacking of the pool table in the audience from being as loud as the dulcimer-or louder! It also keeps your sound your, not the player next to you. An omni directional mic will pick up in all directions. I have a couple that pick up every conversation in a coffee shop. In a place where not everyone in the audience is there for the music, this can be a problem. And crowd sounds, especially clapping, can be deafening. We point the mic at the singer or instrument, and turn the deaf side towards the crowd. For recording a large group such as a choir with one mic, an omni may be better, but choirs are seldom booked into coffee shops and bars. A concert hall is generally a quieter place.

Paul

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