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Foggers
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10/05/09 05:13:03PM
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THanks for the replies Lisa and Randy; here is the news...Well my laptop kind of hiccupped on the DVDs, but after threatening it with a hammer, things settled down and the disks play okay.I like Dwight's approach to the right hand rhythm. I had already made a start on the bump-ditty pattern through a book i got a couple of months ago, but when I listen to practice recordings it just sounds too "busy" somehow. Having had a weekend with Dwight's "Just Rhythm" DVD I can see that I need to stop worrying so much about the "ditty" and I am already sounding more like I want to! So that is fun indeed.Of course I can now see that my "Countryman " banjo just aint right at all for clawhammer playing...maybe I need a new banjo from Santa??
Randy Adams
@randy-adams
10/04/09 08:15:36AM
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So hows it goin Foggers? Learnin how to make banjo noise?... : )... Havin fun?
Strumelia
@strumelia
10/02/09 10:28:35AM
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Foggers, that's great!Dwight Diller was my original banjo teacher about 11 years ago- I took a 3 day workshop of his when i was just starting out.I love his approach to clawhammer banjo- nothing fancy, but heavy on good rhythm. Dwight used to say "The right hand is the meat and potatoes, everything else is gravy."...I love that! ;DWhenever I feel that the banjo world is too frustrating and fussy, I just go back to the basic 'meat and potatoes' of Dwight's philosophy. you couldn't have picked a better learning instructor, in my opinion. Foggers said:
Yippeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

FInally my long awaited Dwight Diller instructional DVDs have arrived. Gonna have to put the MD down for a couple of days and spend some time frailin' instead.
Foggers
@foggers
10/02/09 09:54:19AM
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Yippeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!FInally my long awaited Dwight Diller instructional DVDs have arrived. Gonna have to put the MD down for a couple of days and spend some time frailin' instead.
Foggers
@foggers
09/01/09 08:36:32AM
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razyn said:
I don't play very often, but I started a long time ago. I have a few old banjos, say 1870-1900 or so, with and without frets -- and one reproduction "minstrel" banjo, made within the past ten years (an eBay coup de foudre). I've been to the Antietam Early Banjo Gathering, twice, and really enjoy the fellowship of those guys even though many of them are certifiable (i.e., dedicated Civil War reenactors). There's a Ning group for Minstrel Banjo, and I was lurking in it about a year before Strumelia started this dulcimer one.

My best banjo is an open back S.S. Stewart "Universal Favorite" tenor (a Nashville pawn shop purchase) that Homer Ledford converted to a 5-string for me. He added his special tone ring, as well as making the new birdseye maple neck (fitted with the old inlays), in 1966. One of the earlier Ledford banjos, I guess. He didn't sign it or anything, but I have letters from him when we arranged for it. I swapped him a nice early Washburn mandolin he wanted -- didn't pay actual money for the conversion, but he costed it out at $75. (More than I had paid for his standard dulcimer, in 1963.) I also got Pete Seeger to autograph it, when he did a workshop in Nashville around 1968 -- so now I can't change the dang head. Mike Seeger also played it, not long after that -- guess I should have asked him to write on it too, but we were actually friends, so that just seemed odd.

Back in the day, about 1915-20 when Uncle Dave Macon was a wagoner and there was not yet a radio show in Nashville (the Grand Ole Opry), my paternal grandfather was one of his employers. (I just checked the Wikipedia article about Uncle Dave, and it discusses The Macon Midway Mule and Wagon Transportation Company.) So my dad and my grandmother had some anecdotes about him. I knew two of his sons, but he had died when I was about twelve -- and he had long since been a professional entertainer, rather than a wagoner. I got into folk music a few years later. I do have a banjo that Uncle Dave broke in about 1892, when he fell off a friend's porch in Lascassas. He gave it to the boy who lived there -- who got the broken neck fixed, and about 70 years later I bought it from him. And I also got some good banjo tunes from him (Elbert F. Pilkington).

Dick
Wow rayzn - I am deeply envious of your contacts with people who are heroes of mine - Pete and Mike Seeger, Homer Ledford....I have looked at some of the re-enactor/historical society banjo clips on Youtube. There are some fascinating instruments there but I am not sure I could countenance playing one with calfskin and real gut strings. And I know what you mean about the mentality of some re-enactors: I used to do meadieval re-enactment and found some of my companions to be rather in retreat from real life!!
razyn
@razyn
08/30/09 10:48:29PM
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I don't play very often, but I started a long time ago. I have a few old banjos, say 1870-1900 or so, with and without frets -- and one reproduction "minstrel" banjo, made within the past ten years (an eBay coup de foudre). I've been to the Antietam Early Banjo Gathering, twice, and really enjoy the fellowship of those guys even though many of them are certifiable (i.e., dedicated Civil War reenactors). There's a Ning group for Minstrel Banjo, and I was lurking in it about a year before Strumelia started this dulcimer one.My best banjo is an open back S.S. Stewart "Universal Favorite" tenor (a Nashville pawn shop purchase) that Homer Ledford converted to a 5-string for me. He added his special tone ring, as well as making the new birdseye maple neck (fitted with the old inlays), in 1966. One of the earlier Ledford banjos, I guess. He didn't sign it or anything, but I have letters from him when we arranged for it. I swapped him a nice early Washburn mandolin he wanted -- didn't pay actual money for the conversion, but he costed it out at $75. (More than I had paid for his standard dulcimer, in 1963.) I also got Pete Seeger to autograph it, when he did a workshop in Nashville around 1968 -- so now I can't change the dang head. Mike Seeger also played it, not long after that -- guess I should have asked him to write on it too, but we were actually friends, so that just seemed odd.Back in the day, about 1915-20 when Uncle Dave Macon was a wagoner and there was not yet a radio show in Nashville (the Grand Ole Opry), my paternal grandfather was one of his employers. (I just checked the Wikipedia article about Uncle Dave, and it discusses The Macon Midway Mule and Wagon Transportation Company.) So my dad and my grandmother had some anecdotes about him. I knew two of his sons, but he had died when I was about twelve -- and he had long since been a professional entertainer, rather than a wagoner. I got into folk music a few years later. I do have a banjo that Uncle Dave broke in about 1892, when he fell off a friend's porch in Lascassas. He gave it to the boy who lived there -- who got the broken neck fixed, and about 70 years later I bought it from him. And I also got some good banjo tunes from him (Elbert F. Pilkington).Dick
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@greg-gunner
08/30/09 05:56:19PM
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I, too, play a little clawhammer banjo although I've sold off most of my banjos. I've still got a Clifford Glenn fretless banjo and will probably buy another fretless banjo this year, most likely a Bart Reiter or Mike Ramsey fretless. I'm also looking at the mountain-style fretless banjos made by John Huron based on those of Stanley Hicks. My inspirations include Dwight Diller, Frank Proffitt, Sr., and Frank Proffitt, Jr.Greg
Foggers
@foggers
08/25/09 11:29:59AM
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Hi Jill - my friend has a Goldtone 5 string that is so heavy I can only hold it long enough for one song, then it just has to go! It is interesting swapping around on different instruments; I think it helps me to build my knowledge in transferring from one to another. Hope you get a lighter tenor banjo and get stuck in!
Foggers
@foggers
08/11/09 01:24:32PM
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Hi Randy thanks for that link - I have checked out her other YouTube clips and there is some very handy tutorial stuff there about the basic right hand rhythm, which is exactly what I need to work on. I really like her style - there is something just so steady and light-hearted about her playing. Have added her to my YT subscriptions.
Randy Adams
@randy-adams
08/10/09 09:06:50PM
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Here Foggers check out this lady....she plays slow & clear & credits DD instructions. I like her rythym....& check out her other u-tubes..... http://www.youtube.com/groundhogpeggy
Foggers
@foggers
08/10/09 08:30:51PM
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Yes I was impressed when I checked out the YouTube clips; and his basic instructional DVD is called "Rhythm". I think it is exactly where I need to start as all my instrumental skills have been more melodic/harmonic (e.g. fingerstyle guitar) so it is the rhythm that I need to work on. His teaching tyle is simple - no TAB, clear explanation and good close ups of both hands - exactly what I need! So I have placed an order.Thanks for your advice Lisa - will let you know how I get on with it!
Strumelia
@strumelia
08/10/09 04:19:01PM
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Hi Jane,I have never seen Dwight's DVD's, but I took a weekend workshop with him when i was just starting out.He mainly emphasizes rhythm which is good. I like the West Virginia tunes he specializes in , and his recordings are such a pleasure to listen to- nice easy pace and clear to hear what he is doing- never fancy or fussy. I love how he plays, and I have several of his great music cd's, such as "Just Banjo" and Banjo '99, or some such titles.
Foggers
@foggers
08/10/09 01:50:06PM
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Hi Lisa thanks for the suggestions - could not get the link to work for Pat Costello's clips but have found Dwight's website and have a had a catalogue emailed to me from Elaine Diller, so I think I shall get a DVD from them once I have checked out the clips on Youtube.Jane
Strumelia
@strumelia
08/07/09 05:32:36PM
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Hi Foggers,I play clawhammer banjo. I was lucky enough to have a decent teacher to get me started- Dwight Diller.I highly recommend his DVD's and recordings.Frankly, because I had a live teacher and banjo playing friends to help me, I don't know a lot about visual aides for learning the clawhammer stroke.But...have you checked out some of Pat Costello's online instruction? He has a lot of clips for beginners I believe. Check some here: Pat's clips I don't agree with some of his banjo philosophies, but perhaps his basic stroke instruction can help you if you have not seen it already.
Foggers
@foggers
08/07/09 12:52:47PM
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Getting a 5 string banjo about 4 years ago was my entry into US folk and old time music, leading more recently to the MD.I have neglected the banjo until recent months and have set my mind to finally mastering the clawhammer technique. I don't have any teachers nearby, I have pored over the free lessons on YouTube and various books/CDs but I think I need an instructional DVD so that I can really see it in action, slow it right down, and build up really slowly (impatience is one of my vices when it comes to learning new skills!). Can anyone recommend a good one to get me started?
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Strumelia
@strumelia
08/10/09 09:13:20PM
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You are all most welcome. :)I too am delighted and amazed at how much people seem to like the place.I was kind of lucky in that these past two weeks I coincidentally did not have a lot of patent invention illustration jobs piled on my desk for a change (my actual 'day job'...yes I do actually have a real JOB!). So I was able to take the time for the most time consuming/tweaking part of getting FOTMD set up. My wonderful Brian was very understanding as I took this time off of our regular work. Now it seems to only need modest changing and adjusting here and there, for ongoing growth/maintenance.I am so very gratified to see how happy folks are with it so far- believe me, that makes every moment spent well worthwhile. Such a wonderful bunch of people. Yay! Thank you!
Rod Westerfield
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08/10/09 07:57:34PM
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80 and still growing..... Strumelia, think you picked a winner idea. thanks again for all your work in setting this up..... CHEER, CHEER, CHEER....
Dennis Waldrop
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08/09/09 09:31:44PM
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We are now almost to 75. Growing fast and becoming Good Neighbors (sounding like an Insurance comercial)!
Rod Westerfield
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08/07/09 09:16:57AM
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Yeah to growth...and big thank ya to Strumelia for starting this... three cheers...
Bill Lewis
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08/07/09 08:35:08AM
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I'll third that feeling too.Bill
Strumelia
@strumelia
08/07/09 08:31:45AM
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I'm pretty amazed myself as to how quickly it is growing. I am so pleased that it seems so easy to make friends here and get to know each other better. People who were just names to me before are now suddenly more like friends. I really love that. And new people from all over are appearing- people with many varied mountain dulcimer musical tastes and styles, even from various countries. I also am sensing that this site makes it very easy for beginners to feel comfortable- YAY!Thank you and everyone here SO MUCH for making it a success! :D
Dennis Waldrop
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08/07/09 08:22:42AM
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This site is growing daily. It is nice to be part of a new adventure and one connected to the Mountain Dulcimer. I am having fun here and enjoy the ease in which to do certain things such as add photos or add friends. Agains kudos for starting this forum
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Guy Babusek
@guy-babusek
11/02/09 11:00:09PM
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I agree! I love all good music regardless of the convention. Ed Buhler said:
I love all styles on the dulcimer. I love the drone styles - I love the flat picking fast tunes (John Henry), but I also do a lot of finger picking too. Some BEAUTIFUL songs can be played using a finger picking style. Music is music - that's why there are so many styles - you don't worry about what others say - you play what is in your heart and what sounds good to you. That's my take anyway.
I am going to add an MP 3 here for you of me finger picking a song I wrote - I think it sounds fine. I love to play the dulcimer - and while there is a soft spot in my heart for Jean Ritchie and her drone style - I can sit and listen to Bing Futch crank out some jazzy tune at the same time. I love them all.
folkfan
@folkfan
10/31/09 07:50:33PM
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I think it's sort of to each his or her own. Personally, I play melody/drone or finger dancing on the melody string and let the drones do their thing. However, my preference in music is fairly traditional or traditionally styled music with a strong emphasis on Scottish, and Irish music where the drones are perfect for the music. For other music, I agree that a noter/drone might not be the best way to convey the music. If you're going to be playing modern music with it's tendency to have accidentals thrown in all over the place, a strictly diatonic dulcimer might not even be the best for you, or at least a strict modal tuning might not due as well as say a 1-3-5. You might need to have additional frets or even a fully chromatic fretboard, but always remember that the dulcimer you play is your instrument, played in your lap, and in your style or styles as needed. It's your opinion on how you play that is important. If you enjoy the sound of the music you are making, it's right, but if you don't then it's not and a change might be needed.I learned the hard way that I needed to decide and play for myself by feeling really put down as a noter and melody/drone player when I went to my first workshop ever. The group was told by the instructor that the noter style would bore the audience and that chords were the only way to play for a full rich sound. I walked away from that workshop feeling about 2 inches tall and resolved to learn chords. After practicing with chords my arthritis doctor told me to give it up because of the increased pain I was having in my hands. Since I really wasn't enjoying playing chords as they didn't sound right to me and I was suffering intense pain I gave up chords completely As I'd originally fallen in love with the sound of the dulcimer played in a traditional manner, I was quite pleased to be able to say to anyone who said that I just had to learn to chord to progress, that I had a note from my doctor saying that chording was hazardous to my hand health. ;-) LOL
Guy Babusek
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10/30/09 09:52:26PM
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Well, my 2 cents is that the dulcimer can be as easy or as hard as anyone wants it to be. The world is so big that there is room for any style of playing that anyone wants to do. A lot of people think the kind of stuff I do is hard, others think it's easy. I just play it because I like the music...
Wilfried Ulrich
@wilfried-ulrich
09/07/09 04:59:19PM
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Did you ever play "Pretty Belinda" ? Tun your Dulcimer to EAG. It beginns at the 3rd fret. It's realy great!Wilfried
TERI WEST
@teri-west
09/06/09 10:34:12PM
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<........their is No wrong way to play the mt. dulcimer!....>BINGO!!!!
Ken Hulme
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09/04/09 10:03:44PM
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A baritone would be a great solo accompaniment instrument if you have a reasonably low voice and played drone chords or finger chords but not the full melody.
Foggers
@foggers
09/02/09 08:02:10PM
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Ken Hulme said:
Cynthia;

Tuning:

You can tune any dulcimer, with the same normal set of strings, to DAA, DAd, CGG or CGc; maybe has high as FCC/FCf and as low as BFF/BFb. The strings are certainly flexible enough to go up and down at least one note

I don't recommend a baritone instrument for beginners because the normal baritone tuning does not allow you to play melody together with others. The tuning - AEa - uses ordinary DAd tabulature, but you're not tuned to the same key - you're in A, not D - so it doesn't sound very good if you play along with other dulcimers tuned to D. You can play guitar-style accompaniment chords along with D tuned dulcimers, but that's not the conventional dulcimer unison melody playing experience... A baritone/bass dulcimer is like a stand-up bass in a string band. It plays rhythmic "filler sound" not melodies. The dulcimer is/was originally designed as a personal melody playing instrument, not an orchestral part-playing instrument.
Yes that is exactly right. I have a baritone tuned AEa, and I wanted it expressly to accompany singing of slow ballads and more bluesy songs; it is too big in terms of hand stretch for doing fast tunes and whilst I do the odd bit of instrumental in a song, the playing of melody is not its primary purpose.
Ken Hulme
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08/31/09 08:31:25AM
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Cynthia;Tuning:You can tune any dulcimer, with the same normal set of strings, to DAA, DAd, CGG or CGc; maybe has high as FCC/FCf and as low as BFF/BFb. The strings are certainly flexible enough to go up and down at least one noteI don't recommend a baritone instrument for beginners because the normal baritone tuning does not allow you to play melody together with others. The tuning - AEa - uses ordinary DAd tabulature, but you're not tuned to the same key - you're in A, not D - so it doesn't sound very good if you play along with other dulcimers tuned to D. You can play guitar-style accompaniment chords along with D tuned dulcimers, but that's not the conventional dulcimer unison melody playing experience... A baritone/bass dulcimer is like a stand-up bass in a string band. It plays rhythmic "filler sound" not melodies. The dulcimer is/was originally designed as a personal melody playing instrument, not an orchestral part-playing instrument.
Sally Pena
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08/30/09 05:38:52PM
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Lucky You!!! TERI WEST said:
I recognized Stephen Seifert's playing as soon as I heard it, before I looked at the page!~ He was my first teacher!

Sally Pena said:
Here's another one, bowed dulcimer, this time:


TERI WEST
@teri-west
08/30/09 04:33:43PM
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That's what I want to do!!!!! Sally Pena said:
Here's another one, bowed dulcimer, this time:



TERI WEST
@teri-west
08/30/09 04:32:56PM
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I recognized Stephen Seifert's playing as soon as I heard it, before I looked at the page!~ He was my first teacher! Sally Pena said:
Here's another one, bowed dulcimer, this time:


Robin Thompson
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08/30/09 01:41:45PM
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There are many players who are better noter-and-drone players than I am. That said, it's always a challenge for me to note a fiddle tune at anything approaching fiddle tune speed, playing cleanly, and throwing in variations. I'm a slow learner and it takes me awhile to know a fiddle tune that well.Robin
nick o'sullivan
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08/29/09 06:53:55PM
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I think it's great that people play in noter style because it may not be as easy as it looks!!Noter style, fingerpicking, flatpicking, strumming etc. are just techniques and each has it's place in the wonderful variety of music that's played on the dulcimer.From my own perspective concentrating on one technique only would be too limiting but I do for the most part fingerpick.Nick
Sally Pena
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08/29/09 05:13:21PM
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Here's another one, bowed dulcimer, this time:
Cynthia said:
Wow, thanks for all your help everyone! very cool...

I can't identify any sound files made with their instruments... or if you can think of someone Guy may not have mentioned please let me know
Sally Pena
@sally-pena
08/29/09 05:05:43PM
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here's one that I thought was amazing when I started... note that he's using a capo:
Also, you can go to Jerry Rockwell's website and learn bunches. Just Google Jerry Rockwell dulcimer. Cynthia said:

I can't identify any sound files made with their instruments... or if you can think of someone Guy may not have mentioned please let me know
Guy Babusek
@guy-babusek
08/29/09 12:22:49AM
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So many good builders out there. Each one has their own particular magic they work....I love McSpadden, Folk Craft (both their own brand and the Folkroots brand) for the "mass market" dulcimer. You can't go wrong with them.For lower to mid range luthiers, there are so many great builders. One in particular who does a great job on the lower priced starter dulcimer is David Lynch at Sweet Woods. He also does very fine work with the mid range priced "professional" models.For the mid-range price, there are very good builders also... A few of my favorites are David McKinney at Modern Mountain Dulcimer, Jerry Rockwell, Ron Ewing, Tom Yocky, Tom Fellenbaum, John Stockard, and Keith Young (not an exhaustive list, mind you... just a few that I have played and love).Then you get into your higher ticket dulcimers.... my particular favorite in that range is Dale Foye of Aeolus Instruments. His dulcimers price at about $2,000. They are sheer heaven to listen to and play. He is making one for me right now that is all Rosewood with Spruce sound board. I'm chomping at the bit for him to finish it for me!!!There are so many good luthiers out there. I would definitely recommend that you speak to your luthier over the phone and be very clear with each other what you want.... Carson Turner said:
If you don't mind, and done such that we avoid any potentially actionable comments, might you list maybe the top of the "wow, you have a xxxx" and the bottom of the "hope you didn't pay much for that xxxx maker"Of course understanding that there are tons and tons of makers in the "Some Guy in Texas" category (I own a couple of those) that may be outstanding or may not. I think many of us newbies are looking at instruments from quantity builders and not "Bob's garage".[SNIP]
Rod Westerfield
@rod-westerfield
08/28/09 11:44:40PM
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Well said Ken... I think you explained that well...... Wow Carson that's a question and half...hmmm have ta think on that one...I think is interesting to me that the dulcimer is able to play what music a person wants... I too have been playing for over 30 yrs... started out in CGG use a noter.... then went to play with my fingers, and even adding a few chords over the last year really... and yet the other day I set up a dulcimer with all .010 strings and even used a noter..( P.S. don't tell anyone..lol) and even record a couple of them and posted them..am I switching back to a noter.. probably not. But I think it is good we can try or play all skills or ways of playing the dulcimer... who's know which style you'll settle with... plus as a teacher my students may want to learn one way and not the other..So expand your horizons... try playing different ways....and make a luthier happy by a dulcimer for the different set ups.... cause your going to catch DAD (Dulcimer Acquisition Disease) anyway....
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