Music is such a part of my life that is hard for me to imagine that people don't have access to music twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. Music is indeed very powerful and allows us to express our inner soul, whether we are young or old, music makes us feel. It reminds us of moments in our life, helps us heal, and brings a smile to our faces. Thank you for posting this Phil, it reminded me of the true power of music and our responsibility to bring that joy to others on a daily basis.

Strumelia Thank you for adding this to my post. I wish I had this information when I received the link from a friend.

Phil, great discussion title. Music has been VERY powerful in my life. When I finally hit bottom 8 years ago, God drew me up out of the pit through music and I finally put my trust in Jesus. I haven't played in a nursing home yet, but have seen how music affects children, sometimes calms them and sometimes winds them up

Phil, that is something very, very special that you are playing for your mother now.

I have been going to the nursing home and playing for my Mom. I don't think I am that good yet on the dulcimer but it sure seemed to draw a crowed around her door last week. I normally play my flute or guitar for her. I have been learning a lot more of the old hymns for her.

Hi, John! Your point about young people and music is right on the mark.

It's fascinating to me how in the video, it seems it was the singing and enjoyment of music when he was a younger man that caused hearing the music on the iPod to trigger something in the gentleman's brain. As Strumelia wrote about classical music being such a joy to her mother and continuing to be even as her body weakened. . . The languages of music can speak, move us in mysterious ways. I'm awed by this.

John E. Wood said:

Having played in nursing homes, I've experienced this. Music is really a powerfully moving force. I'm not in the healing profession but I know there are studies going on regarding the healing effects of music. And I firmly believe that encouraging young people to MAKE some kind of music has to have some upbuilding effect on their lives. The mountain dulcimer is one of the instruments well suited to making music easy for many folks who have neither the time nor the financial resources or talent to master a more complicated instrument. I'm glad to be a part of the mountain dulcimer community. Best wishes to all.

Phil, what a WONDERFUL video to watch....brought tears to my eyes this morning. Everyone should watch this to the end of the video- gets better and better.

My mother spent her last 2.5 years in a nursing home near me, and I made sure she had her classical music radio station playing all day in her room, every single day. I would make sure and check that the nurses turned it on every day. It played while I sat with her as she died, too. Classical music was my mother's biggest joy in life. (Aside from spending time together the two of us, that is.)

Phil, this video is powerful! Music, whether 'live' or recorded, has the power to move mountains. Recorded music-- music that sounds just as (or much like) what the older person heard when younger-- could trigger something buried in the mind. Miraculous.

Thanks a million for posting this link! I'm going to have Mark watch this video.

As musicians we sometime don't realize how the music we make may effect someone else life. If you have ever had the opportunity to play in a nursing home you can see it upon the face of the peple that live there.

I was not sure where to post this video. but it truly show the power of music.

(Strumelia edit):

Here is a link to Music and Memory , a non-profit organization helping the elderly through music, where you can find out more about their wonderful programs and you can help!

http://www.musicandmemory.org/

Thanks for the link phil,

'Gum Tree Canoe' I mentioned earlier is No 10.

john p

if I may be so bold I would like to post a link of John Hartford. here is a quote from the person that posted this series of video.

"Shot in a studio with TV cameras, and no audience, John sings many favorites on this video.
Never released on DVD, and no longer produced on VHS, this OOP video is getting harder to find.
I was lucky enough to obtain a sealed copy and encode off the 1st play of the tape."

John Hartford - Learning To Smile

One of my favorite John Hartford albums is Hamilton Ironworks. He does a fair amount of talking on this album, partly about the people he learned from or played with growing up, partly about the songs. He sticks to fiddle on this album, leaving the banjo to Bob Carlin, a fine clawhammer player. I like the stories almost as much as the songs. Try listening here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B00005NNKU/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img?ie=UTF8&refTagSuffix=dp_img

I also like Johns Steamboat songs a lot.

Paul

"Really all it's about is an offset from whatever tonic key you're playing in, itself very often somewhat questionable when you're playing something pentatonic, for example. It's easier to describe the offset from tonic and the key."

If you play chords, the correct chords for the mode are made from the scale that contained in that mode. If you use drones, they come from the scale that the mode contains. The drones are nearly always the root and fifth, but the chords created from the scale will use notes not available in all closely related modes. This is the misunderstanding that I referred to. And it comes in great part from the belief that extra frets and capos can give us any mode in the same key in any tuning. Which is why many players use an A7 chord where they should be playing a C. And why I have seen some players play DAA tabs in DAD tuning, ignoring the fact that they are playing the melody in G, but the drones are in D. It grates on the ears like nails on a black board, and they don't grasp the difference. Because someone told them the extra fret makes it work. The fact that the pentatonic song doesn't use all the notes doesn't change the fact that the harmonies depend upon a certain modal scale. The harmony may require notes not contained in the melody. Chromatic instruments are less bound by these dictates, as the notes are always available, and as chromatic players, we don't focus on what tuning will give us the missing notes. As diatonic players, if we ignore this body of knowledge, we rob ourselves of the ability to use this knowledge to make our music sound good. When we choose between the use of drones or chords, this is a conscious decision, dictated by our tastes. When we choose not to learn, we hamper ourselves from making other conscious decisions.

Paul

Randy, Thanks for posting this video. Mostly I don't listen to mountain music on the fiddle, but Mr. Hartford playing gives a sweet sound to this tune. Mostly I tend to associate the fiddle with a screech (guess I haven't heard many good fiddle players or the right tunes). I'll have to do a search and see if I can find more of his work.

Truth to tell, in the past, Ashokan Farewell is the only fiddle tune that I've listened to and really enjoyed. Thanks again.

Not necessarily true. Modes as simple descriptors in the way that dulcimer players use them are very useful. Whenan OT session goes to the key of A the fiddlers may use AEAE forBuffalo Gals, Old Joe Clark and Cluck Old Hen etc. However, we need 3 different A tunings for those 3 tunes (ionian, mixolidian, dorian) - so it is pretty handy to have our own descriptors (and to some extent be able to hear the scales) to be able to place the root A on the right starting fret through re-tuning. It saves a lot of time and confusion to be able to call modes. And they are not an offset from the tonic key on the dulcimer as you cannot add a flattened 3rd for this or a flattened 7th for that - we don't have the semitones! You have to physically move the start point of the scale on the instrument through re-tuning.

Thosemodal names are bloody useful for traditional playing styleswhere you have touse a lot of different tunings.

Jeremy Main said:

Mostly because the Victorians made it complicated and then added an extra layer of nonsense by adding those quasi-mystical Greek names. Really all it's about is an offset from whatever tonic key you're playing in, itself very often somewhat questionable when you're playing something pentatonic, for example. It's easier to describe the offset from tonic and the key.

It sounds like A mixolidian - like many Irish derived tunes (Red Haired Boy etc). Try A',A,A or A',A,d with a 6+

Loved this guy and his presentation.

One of my treasured videos is of him singing 'Gum Tree Canoe' on an empty stage. I shall have to go see if I can find it again, it's on one of my old machines or a CD somewhere.

I think it's Dorian Randy, but I've come across these Appalachian fiddle players before and they aren't too fussy about modes. They seem quite happy to play something in between if they can't make up their mind whether it should be a major or minor interval.

john p

Got down the dulcimer and played several John Hartford tunes. Surprising how easily they transfered. He was such a talent. I'd have to listen a few more times to see if I could determine the mode. It sounds like it'll be a fun tune to learn.

Thanks, Randy. John was one of the great ones.

I liked John a lot, too. But I'm not convinced most dulcimer players understand modes any better than any one else. I am sure some do, but a lot of us are still misunderstanding modes.

Paul

I know what you mean about listening to John Hartford play. I feel the same way. he was one of the great ones.

I was perusing BHO this morn and came across a thread about this tune.. Squirrel Hunters. It is comical when the banjo dudes try to determine the mode...they don't understand it like dulcimer players...uh huh...we're the experts about modes!

I am always inspired when I hear John Hartford. Somehow what passes thru to me is a determination and confidence and I want to practice, and practice, and maybe the music could flow out from inside me like it did for him.

So what mode is it?

Strumming the small kantele is so much fun!

I reworked the chord chart I have uploaded here the other day.

I tried to show which of the most common chords are available on the five string kantele. I added the chart as jpg and as pdf here.

On the five string kantele, some chords are incomplete ambiguios (i.e. identical fingerings may stand for different chords. For example, A and Am are identical, because there is no c or c# string. Em (e-g-b) and C (c-e-g) are identical, because there is no c and no b string on the five string kantele). Incomplete chords become "completed" and distinct when someone sings or plays a melody instrument along.

If there are any mistakes or if you have suggestions, just let me know. Thank you.

Thank you, Macy Jayne. Looks like you are well on your way with your Kantele. You did a beautiful job on the instrument and learning the song. I also appreciated the link to the video where you bought yours.

Thank you, Barbara, for alerting Macy Jayne to this post.

I'd love to get additional feedback from others out there. It's a pretty sounding instrument and it's not common. That's what makes it interesting.

Here's a link to where I bought my kit and their vid about kanteles.

http://www.harpkit.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=kantele

I appreciated your suggestion about Ken's video. You didn't know if I saw it yet or not. Maybe Macy Jane will post...I don't know her. Thanks for the post.

Barbara P said:

Sorry I couldn't be of any help frets alot.

Barbara, Yes , I did see Ken's video. But he didn't talk much about some of the things I was interested in or actually play songs on it. So, that's why I thought I'd see if I could get more information here.
Barbara P said

Have you seen this video on Youtube? I think Ken Bloom gives a nice overview of the instrument:

You can also ask Macy Jane who just built one. She's a member here and I am sure she could answer some questions.

I'm taking a guess that some of you dulcimer playershave alsodabbled with the Kantele. If so, does anyone want to answer a fewquestions and/or share their thoughts/experiences....

How difficult is it to learn?

How do you play it?

How many strings do you recommend?

Just curious for some input. Thanks.

Val I really can't add much to what Ken has already told you. We'll help ya where we can and get ya on the road to playing.

Val - look inside and see if you can see a maker's label or signature. Take a photo of the fretboard for us to see. Measure the exact distance from the inside of the nut to the inside of the bridge and put that here with the photo of the fretboard. Next measure the distances between the tops of the frets, to the nearest 1/64th inch or 1/2 millimeter, and then we can compare them to the actual measurements that are given in fret space calculators like the StewMac one Howard mentioned.

This is the sort of problem that, unfortunately, some beginners run into (you're not the first, don't feel too bad) bybuying an instrument online when they don't really know what they're looking at. We'll do our best to get things figured out for you. If the instrument is not built correctly we'll help you file an Ebay complaint against the seller and get your money back...

Val, Try this.

http://www.stewmac.com/freeinfo/Reference/Calculators/i-fretcalc.html

Mr Wizzard

Hi, Val! If you can tell us who made your dulcimer, it may help with an answer to your question. The reason I say this is some individual builders had somewhat quirky yet rather consistent fret placements. If you are able to post a photo, that'd be great, too.

I would have to say that I agree with you there Paul. A mic' into the pa gives the best acoustic sound. I usually use a Sure SM57 - nice and robust, reliable and directional. They are around $80. You can get a stronger signal off of an undersaddle transducer but you then color the tone, in the same wayas an undersaddle transducer does on an acoustic guitar - they are not'bad' just different to the pure acoustic sound. If I neededI high level ofoutput then I could be tempted to just go fully electric - but I can't see me doing that personally as it would not suit the music I want to play.

The best amplified acoustic sound you will get is from a good mic and a PA. A guitar amp is designed primarily for a magnetic pickup. This will give your dulcimer an electric guitar sound. If this is the sound you want, that's what you do to get it. If you want an amplified sound as close as possible to the acoustic sound of your dulcimer, a good mic and PA is the best way to go. The problem here is the expense can be more than some of us want to spend, for casual gigs. Somewhere in the $600 and up range for the PA, and at least $100 for the mic. Add ons such as equalizers or pre amps may send it up a good bit more. And studio quality mics are delicate things no one wants to use in a live situation where travel is involved. These mics can run to as much as several thousand dollars each. Large studios use them, they put them away after the session is finished. There are guitar amps designed with the idea of amplifying acoustic guitars, and these can be a good compromise instead of a PA. Most have 2 to 4 inputs, probably not more. Mine will take a guitar or a bass, and a vocal mic. I have run it with a guitar, bass and a mic, but it isn't really intended for a multi-instrument set up. The PA is the better choice if you want to plug multiple players and vocal mics into it. Unless everyone brings their own amp.

Mics are made with different pick up patterns, as Robin said above. Uni directional mics are semi deaf in certain directions. This keeps the clacking of the pool table in the audience from being as loud as the dulcimer-or louder! It also keeps your sound your, not the player next to you. An omni directional mic will pick up in all directions. I have a couple that pick up every conversation in a coffee shop. In a place where not everyone in the audience is there for the music, this can be a problem. And crowd sounds, especially clapping, can be deafening. We point the mic at the singer or instrument, and turn the deaf side towards the crowd. For recording a large group such as a choir with one mic, an omni may be better, but choirs are seldom booked into coffee shops and bars. A concert hall is generally a quieter place.

Paul

One of the issues with piezo transducers is that there sensitivity changes depending on the pressure they are under. You can hear this yourself with a stick-on. Just put a finger on it when you play and you'll hear the bass response and overall volume improve. This is why they work best as an under-saddle system where they are under load.

Don't write-off a uni-directional mic as an option. For the most natural sound then this could be the best way to go.

I have a couple of rather expensive guitar pickups that I use occasionally. I also made my own with Radio Shack parts for less than $5.00 each. You need the Piezo Transducer Part # 273-0073 and attach it to a 1/4" Stereo in-line jack Part # 274-0141. These are easy to put together and I stick them on with a small drop of hot glue. Just play around with the best place to attach them for the best pickup sound. Enjoy.

There is generally a certain spot that sounds best to your ears. Try moving the pickup to a variety of locations, and listening to how the sound changes in each spot. Some will be brighter, some more mellow. Set the amp completely flat, and find the spot that sounds best. "Flat" means with no bass, mid or treble controls boosted from their zero position. Then try changing the amp settings and see what sounds best. When you identify the sweet spot for the pickup, measure it from a couple of reference points and mark it down. When you find the amp settings you like, mark those down, too. Keep this in your case, and when you go to play, you can start with these settings. You may need to adjust the amp to suit the location, but it should get you in the ballpark for starters. A standard dulcimer has only one bass string, and it's on the high end of the bass register at that. This dictates that it produces a somewhat bright sound. Locating the pickup on the melody side of the top will magnify this treble, while a spot on the bass side will emphasize lower sounds. Toward the bridge will be brighter also, and toward the nut is a little deeper. If you go too far away from the treble, the melody might not stand out enough against the drones or chords. Have fun learning what location does to your sound, the putty lasts a long time, and is cheap to replace. If you play a baritone or bass dulcimer, there will be a lot more low end to the sound, and you most likely would prefer a different location. Even in the same register, each dulcimer will have the sweet spot in a different location, so experiment with each one you plan to use the pickup on.

Paul

I use the same stuff that Garey McAnally uses (Plastitac, Blutack) and it works well. Easy to remove from the instrument after using.

No, no, no ... not THOSE shrooms!

phil said:

Hmmm I have always been a bit supices of her when it comes to 'shrooms

Hmmm I have always been a bit supices of her when it comes to 'shrooms

Now Phil, you know they ain't no surer way to taint a friendship than to cast dispersion on another man's houn' dog ... er ... how's yer wife at hand signals?