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Guy Babusek
@guy-babusek
01/02/14 12:28:44PM
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Tuning a dulcimer to itself


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It's good to remember that the names of the tunings and the modes use the same words but don't always mean the same things. You can play in different modes in different tunings... I have an arrangement of Greensleeves that uses the Mixolydian tuning, and also one that uses the Aeolian tuning. First two strings are the same as the Mixolydian tuning, but for the melody string you fret the base string at 6 and tune the melody string to it.

For Dorian tuning you can tune the melody string to the 3rd fret of the base string.... Then your Dorian mode starts on the melody string at fret number 4 and skip your 6.5 fret.

Guy

Bob
@bob
01/02/14 12:12:13PM
87 posts

Tuning a dulcimer to itself


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Hi friends,

It has been ages since I have played my dulcimer, and I have since forgotten how I used to tune it to itself! I had learned some modes from a Jean Richie book I read years ago, and forgot almost everything!

The common tuning I use now is:

Press Bass String (4th) behind the 4th fret = 1st & 2nd strings open

Treble (thinnest) String (next to bass string)= 1 octave above open 4th String

-What is this mode called(Mixolydian?) is it CcG?

There was another fun tuning I used, which was great for playing "Greensleves" because it was in minor tuning (Dorian?). Does anyone know how to tune the dulcimer for that (tuning to itself?)

Hopefully this question is not too confusing!

Thanks for any help :)


updated by @bob: 02/10/21 10:19:37AM
John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
01/08/14 11:07:29PM
453 posts



Place the coin onthe crown (top) of the fret, under the string.

So, check the distance from the bottom edge of the string to the top edge of the fret with each coin.

Lexie R Oakley
@lexie-r-oakley
01/21/15 05:22:51PM
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Really nice of you Tom for sharing these.I shall like learning these.
Lynn austin
@lynn-austin
01/21/15 04:54:47PM
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Tom,Thank you for posting your original tabs....I just stumbled apon this post and played Butterfly Waltz and it is lovely tune and fun to play. I will practice your other one next. Thank you for sharing...
Strumelia
@strumelia
01/24/14 06:20:45PM
2,422 posts

Contra dancing :)


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Katie, since we are both upi the Hudson Valley from NYC, I wouldn't be surprised if you and I haven't attended the same contra dance at some point.

Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
12/22/13 08:25:52PM
197 posts

Contra dancing :)


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Babs,

Have never heard of Strip the Willow, but the movement looks familiar. Loving bagpipes, I'd love to see our annual Highland Games start this. Here in the Detroit metro area we've the oldest U.S. Highland Games, but all dancing is left to the young lassies and occasional lads in competition. When I get to the next Contra dance I'll have to ask about Strip the Willow. Dare I presume it's the name of the tune?

Of course just saying "We do a lot of Strip the Willow here, though I'm not sure if it's contra-dancing but it is fun" could be subject to misinterpretation if folks just see "strip" and "fun."

Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
12/22/13 12:00:45PM
197 posts

Contra dancing :)


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Our folklore society joins with a contra group to produce an annual dance. Have gone to the past 2 years. This past year I was all set to join the contra group when health problems got in the way. It will come up again this February. I'll have the insanity of being in Sweet Charity in March, but hope this is the year I finally start being a contra dancer and not just a contra newbie visitor. Dance is definitely my favorite exercise and mainly it's been belly dancing in recent years, so this looks like a fun way to add more dance.

Strumelia
@strumelia
12/20/13 09:59:33PM
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Contra dancing :)


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Great old movie scenes, Patty. That 'Grand March' seems a bit stiff and formal!

Patty from Virginia
@patty-from-virginia
12/20/13 09:40:52PM
231 posts

Contra dancing :)


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I know this can't be contra dancing but was always interested in this and the purpose of it when I saw it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX99GBCtysI , Fort Apache starring John Wayne and Henry Fonda. Then Lt. Col. Thursday danced with Sgt. O'Rourke's wife,

. Henry Fonda sure could cut a rug

Patty from Virginia
@patty-from-virginia
12/20/13 09:18:21PM
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Contra dancing :)


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I think I understand. I hope to have an opportunity to participate in these dances. Nothing like learning by doing. Thanks for the information. It sure looks like fun

Strumelia
@strumelia
12/20/13 08:11:49PM
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Patty, in a square dance, four couples form a square and dance with each other through the entire dance. In a contra dance, couples generally form double lines that stretch the entire length of the hall. A large hall with lots of dancers may have as many as 3 to 5 full lines, a smaller dance may have only 1 long line of couples.

Every other couple moves in one direction while dancing with people along the way, and the other half move in the other direction while dancing with couples they encounter along the way. The end result is that each couple winds up dancing with every other couple in the line. When you and your partner eventually get to one end of the line, you turn and start back again, dancing in turn with each couple you meet in the line.

You and your partner mostly stay together as you work your way down the line dancing, but you wind up also dancing with just about everyone else in the line too. I think that makes it particularly fun. You also cover more ground, from one end of the hall to the other, as opposed to staying in one spot like the 4 couples in a square dance do. Both contra dancing and square dancing do incorporate some steps in common, such as do-si-do and swing your partner...

This contra dance video shows how people keep dancing with different other people as they work their way up or down the line:

Here is a very lively and crowded contra dance:

It looks like chaos to a non-dancer, but you can see the well organized double line of couples go 'forward and back' right on time at the 0:42 mark. they know exactly what they are doing! lol

Again, another crowded lively dance:

At the 0:56 time mark in this one, again at 2:00, you can again see those organized long lines of couples go forward and back. The caller stops calling the moves after a while, as the dancers get the hang of the sequence of moves. Each dance is different. I have danced in that Greenfield MA hall, and I've danced with half the folks in that video at one time or another. That particular band is terrific- they are only two young men and they play everything you hear- electronically looping each part on top of the next as they play on different instruments- live. The tension builds as they add more parts and loop them on top of what they just played a minute before. lots of energy! I do square dances occasionally, but I find contra dances to have a different feel. Hope this adds some info...or maybe just confuses it more for you!

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
12/20/13 06:15:54PM
2,157 posts

Contra dancing :)


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Contra dance incorporates round dances, square dances and other partnered folk dances where couples face each other in lines similar to Scottish Country Dancing.

Patty from Virginia
@patty-from-virginia
12/20/13 04:54:59PM
231 posts

Contra dancing :)


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This is probably a dumb question but here goes. What is the difference between contra dancing and square dancing? I remember doing square dancing in school. From the video it seems to be square dancing. Did I miss something along the way?

Strumelia
@strumelia
12/20/13 04:30:43PM
2,422 posts

Contra dancing :)


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I bet there are some other contra dancers here...!

Tomorrow night I'm going as usual to a double-long holiday contra dance in Lenox Mass, with a potluck in the middle between two whole long dances. I usually go to a couple of contra dances per month, and have been doing so for about 4 years now I think.I love the exercise, and I always laugh a great deal- so good for the spirit.

I just now came upon this video someone took from a year ago of the dec 2012 Lenox dance- hadn't seen it before and was surprised to see myself dancing in it!:

I'm wearing a black top, flowered skirt, and am in the right half of the screen. At the very start of the video, I'm dancing with the fellow in the red shirt, but of course partners keep switching throughout the dance.

Anyone else here like to contra dance?


updated by @strumelia: 07/31/23 07:34:50PM
Ellen Rice
@ellen-rice
01/16/14 09:12:45PM
49 posts

Wandering in and Figuring it All Out - Six months a player


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Oh, yeah! Thanks for the link. Some of us need all the help we can get . . .

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
01/16/14 09:05:28PM
1,873 posts

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Wait, we switched from cassettes to CDs? When?

CDs are already obsolete now since everything is just 1s and 0s.

If you want to see a demonstration of how to use a capo, check out this Bing Futch video:

. He teaches the fiddle tune "Hangman's Reel" and then shows how you can play it in the key of G with a capo at the third fret or A with a capo at the 4th fret. And if you listen to the music playing over the closing credits, you will hear a "spooky" minor version of the song which he gets by playing it in Em with the capo at the first fret.

Ellen Rice
@ellen-rice
01/16/14 07:38:32PM
49 posts

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I have to confess that I now own a capo -- but have been a bit terrified to open the bag and actually use it. I felt the same way when we switched from cassette tapes to CD's. Those silvery discs looked so . . . alien.

marg
@marg
01/15/14 03:40:47PM
624 posts

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Fog or no Fog, sounds like you have figure somethings out and crossed a few bridges. Nice going.

Ellen Rice
@ellen-rice
12/29/13 07:48:02PM
49 posts

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Glad to share a giggle - Doesn't "Mixolydian" sound like an expert bartender?

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
12/23/13 01:24:44AM
403 posts

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This is great! Even with the little knowledge of the dulcimer that my husband has, he laughed and laughed as I read this to him. You've got those speeds defined just right!

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
12/22/13 04:59:28AM
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Oh my! Thanks for the big chuckle in the middle of the night! I could relate to so much of this!

Hope you continue to enjoy your dulcimer over the holidays and on into 2014!

Ellen Rice
@ellen-rice
12/22/13 12:33:02AM
49 posts

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Maybe there's a reason that Appalachia's other export is moonshine . . .

john p
@john-p
12/21/13 10:08:33PM
173 posts

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Had a good laugh there Ellen

Picks are only good up to a point ... time comes when only a shovel will do.

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
12/21/13 05:49:09PM
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Golly, Ellen, I'd say you've got it figured pretty well!
Thanks for the fun!PS- What are capos, really, anyway? I mean, is there a capo tree or bush? And I never heard of anybody having a capo farm when I grew up in farm country in central Ohio. :)
Ellen Rice
@ellen-rice
12/21/13 02:26:18PM
49 posts

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Good morning Ken and friends,

I did read Ken's article early on and it was a big help. Part of my early challenges boiled down to buying a sweet traditional instrument (tuned Cggg and no 6.5 fret) and buying a modern beginners book that instructed in Dadd and assumed a 6.5 fret. Anyone knowledgeable with even basic dulcimer life could have pointed out a path forward -- but there I was, middle of the afternoon in the middle of nowhere with an instrument on my lap and a book on the table, thinking (and hearing) "Something's weird here".

Thank goodness for Fisherman's/Cowboy Humor (and pride) -- that kept me from putting "the easiest instrument to play" into the closet. After that day, the giggles just keep coming. That's how I know a diode is a pair of long poems . . .


Ken Hulme said:

You really don't need a bunch of "middle C stuff" and music theory to tune and play the dulcimer. Especially these days with audio examples to tune your instrument to.

Lisa has an excellent audio "how to tune" at the top of the Beginner Group page --

http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/group/beginnerplayers

If you want to start out simply and build your skills, you can play melodies on the melody string and let the other strings just drone along as was done traditionally.

You may want to check out the article I wrote called I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What? It's an illustrated glossary of dulcimer terms plus answers to many beginner questions about tuning, playing, care and feeding of your dulcimer.

The article is here:

http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/profiles/blogs/i-just-got-a-dulcim...

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
12/21/13 12:56:23PM
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That's all too funny. You can tune a piano but you can't tunafish.

And don't forget about all the different kinds of dulcimers there are: mountain dulcimers, lap dulcimers, fretted dulcimers, etc. Most of us just want to find one instrument we can play OK. And what in the world is an Indian walking cane and what does it have to do with dulcimers?

Notice the picking comes first. Then the jamming. You have to get the berries off the vine before you can cook 'em up with sugar.

Ellen, when we're done laughing at your humor, some of us will take off our fingerpicks (the ones that aren't flat) and type answers to any real questions you have. But if you just want to keep making us laugh, we're OK with that, too.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
12/21/13 12:36:45PM
2,157 posts

Wandering in and Figuring it All Out - Six months a player


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

You really don't need a bunch of "middle C stuff" and music theory to tune and play the dulcimer. Especially these days with audio examples to tune your instrument to.

Lisa has an excellent audio "how to tune" at the top of the Beginner Group page --

http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/group/beginnerplayers

If you want to start out simply and build your skills, you can play melodies on the melody string and let the other strings just drone along as was done traditionally.

You may want to check out the article I wrote called I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What? It's an illustrated glossary of dulcimer terms plus answers to many beginner questions about tuning, playing, care and feeding of your dulcimer.

The article is here:

http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/profiles/blogs/i-just-got-a-dulcimer-now-what

Ellen Rice
@ellen-rice
12/21/13 02:15:22AM
49 posts

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Oh, I've done comedy and I've done tragedy (I was a Cub Scout Den Leader ). I am actually enjoying my instrument immensely -- but it is a new world, for sure.

Frank Ross said:

nice hopefully you meant it to be funny - have you ever though of going into comedy? I spent 42 years in the IT field working with engineers, scientists, accountants and office workers - they all seemed as confused at the nomenclature I used as I was of theirs. Amazing how many professions and hobbies have their own language that sounds foreign to the other person. I've only been messing with the dulcimer for 3 months and am waiting for the grandkids to come for Christmas to get a crash course in the middle C stuff and other music theory concepts. Go for the 72% dark chocolate from Trader Joe's - Super Yum -I stock up when I visit the big cities

Frank Ross
@frank-ross
12/20/13 09:32:00PM
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nice hopefully you meant it to be funny - have you ever though of going into comedy? I spent 42 years in the IT field working with engineers, scientists, accountants and office workers - they all seemed as confused at the nomenclature I used as I was of theirs. Amazing how many professions and hobbies have their own language that sounds foreign to the other person. I've only been messing with the dulcimer for 3 months and am waiting for the grandkids to come for Christmas to get a crash course in the middle C stuff and other music theory concepts. Go for the 72% dark chocolate from Trader Joe's - Super Yum -I stock up when I visit the big cities

Linda
@linda
12/20/13 05:21:59PM
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Dark chocolate and raspberry!!!!!! I am all over THAT!

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
12/20/13 03:25:57PM
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Make us a list of your clueless bits, and we'll cut them down to size. I strongly recommend 80% Dark Chocolate combined with Orange, Raspberry or Mint for maximum health benefits...

Ellen Rice
@ellen-rice
12/20/13 01:35:52PM
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Hi All,

Glad you're giggling -- I am actually deeply grateful for the online instruction available. There's an amazing amount and its shared with great generosity -- you can tell the hours of work that stand behind it. But I am still clueless on so many fronts.

Maybe chocolate will help. I understand it is full of healthy compounds. Must research throughly . ..

Linda
@linda
12/20/13 07:44:58AM
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Oh my! You had us laughing with tears in our eyes! All that jam and fudge!

folkfan
@folkfan
12/20/13 12:36:33AM
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Sounds like your journey has been a hoot so far. I hope you keep enjoying it and sharing your joy in it for many years.

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
12/19/13 11:40:31PM
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Ellen, LOL! I enjoyed reading about your dulcimer journey. It brought back fond memories. Thanks for sharing. And Happy Holidays to you also!

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Lois Sprengnether Keel
@lois-sprengnether-keel
12/19/13 11:25:51PM
197 posts

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Loved this, Ellen! So funny but with a lot of truth, especially that part about speed of playing.

LoiS(low pieces a specialty...even if the rest of the world plays them faster)

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
12/19/13 11:20:58PM
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Tell us what you really think, Ellen

This is the place to get those frustrations taken care of. Guys in videos can't answer questions. We can. Some of the folks here may have written the book you're getting confused in, but heck they'll still talk to you and help you get it right. Dulcimer is a universe of things, not necessarily simple. Yes Many of us could sit you down and get you playing a couple songs in an hour (as long as you don't have to take off any shoes to count to ten!). It takes a bit longer when we have to write and interpret things.

Ask and ye shall be answered. If the answers are confusing, ask again...

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