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This is a noter&drone version, somewhat more simplier and in DAA

That's how I play it - I just learned it from friends who sang it, so I am not sure about the melody here and there.

Here's a recording of it - but watch out: I am also trying to sing it in this video!

Beth, When tuning DAA which is a common tuning for the dulcimer, the melody strings are tuned to the same note as the middle string, not an octave higher. This puts the d at the third fret in this tuning.

When tuning DAd the melody d is tuned to an octave higher than the bass D and the d is at the open string position.

So "Are You Sleeping, Brother John" in DAA starts 3453, 3453, 567, 567, while in DAd it is 0120, 0120, 234,234.

I usually drop the DAA down one note and play CGG which I find better for singing.

....shhhhhh... not in public....

Strictly speaking 'gaggle' refers to wild geese. domestic ones are flocks or herds. Then, only if they're on the ground, when they're flying they become a skein.

"She as only a goose herders daughter ... "

A group of turkeys is a flock. A group of nurses is a giggle!

Since you found Jerry Rockwell's pages, I'll mention that I almost invariably use his "relative tuning" idea. That is, I tune the bass string to the desired keynote - C, D, or G. Then fret the bass string at the 3rd fret and tune the middle drone to that note (G, A, or D). Repeat for the melody string(s) if tuning to Ionian. Or fret the bass string at the 7th fret and tune the melody to that note (c, d, or g) if you want a Mixolydian Modal tuning.

I think you've suffered a bit from Information Overload, Overthinking, and trying to relate the dulcimer to other stringed instruments you play. That's all right. We're here to help.

When you do get your dulcimer, you'll want to start with a simple finger sized piece of dowel about 4-5" long for a noter. Read my Get Noterized article and selected bits of Lisa's N&D blog for how-to hold and press with the noter.

Bass string goes to the C below middle C and the G 4 notes up from that C. The Bass is the lower tone than the middle and melody strings.

When you tune to DAA or DAd the bass note is the D below middle C so all you do to tune CGG or CGc is to lower the notes 1 step down on all the strings.

Beth,

First, this post in my traditional playing Blog may help you tune:

http://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-notes-do-i-tu...

I will try to answer a few of your questions:

And, I understand it, the melody line is played on the string closest to one's body when held on the lap. And, that is string gives the highest notes. (Or those two strings if one has double melody strings.)

Correct.

Now, If I'm right in this, the other two strings are both lower than the melody string.

Correct.

Here is my problem. If I tune to DAaa, the aa strings are my melody strings. I have a very limited range left in my voice. a below middle c to c above middle c is the best I can stretch on a good day.

Is it possible to get strings for the melody that will tune to low A? And would it have to be a wound string?

You will actually be tuned to DAA (or DAAA), not DAa or DAaa. The melody string(a) in this tuning will be tuned to the EXACT SAME note (A) and in the SAME OCTAVE as the middle string A.

Most importantly- if tuned to DAA you will usually be playing and singing in the key of D , not in the key of A .

People normally dont put heavy low wound bass strings as melody strings.

Or should I just tune to DAaa and sing an octave lower than the notes I'm playing?

Tune to DAA (since double melody strings are usually tuned the same as a pair, we usually just give them one letter, not two, when naming the tuning) and you'll be in the key of D (the melody will be based around the THIRD fret, a D note, not based around the open melody string which an A note). Sing in the key of D, in whichever octave suits your voice. Or sing a harmony to what you are playing. Or, tune all your strings DOWN one step from DAA to CGG and you'll be playing and singing in the key of C instead of D, which might be easier on your voice. Lots of us do this. I suggest you just start in CGG and learn to play a simple song like Hot cross Buns or Frere Jacques, rather than trying to transpose guitar or uke music right off the bat. You need to understand the very most basic simple concepts of tuning and playing the dulcimer, without worrying about what you do on other instruments ...for now.

I give a lot of this kind of advice in my noter-drone traditional playing dulcimer Blog, here: http://dulcimer-noter-drone.blogspot.com/

Hi Beth,

You're already a victim of the multple tunning notations we spoke of earlier.

DAaa is plain wrong and indicates the middle and melody strings are an octave apart. This is not the case, they are both the same and would be written DAA.

DAA usually referes to an Ionian tuning, that is your scale starts on the 3rd fret which is a 'd', an octave above the bass.

Something you may be missing - octaves run from C to B, i.e. C D E F G A B c d e ... , so A is in fact a higher note than D.

You don't have to tune to DAA, you can use CGG if it's more comfortable for your voice.

Take another look at Strel or Ken's blogs.

john

Beth. I strongly suggest you take a look at my article here called I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What? It has an illustrated glossary of dulcimer terminology, plus answers to many beginner questions such as yours about DAD vs DAd, and others on tuning and playing, care and feeding of your dulcimer., Read the article

here: http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/profiles/blogs/i-just-got-a-dulcimer-now-what

I also wrote an article called Uncontrite Modal Folker ,explaining modes (scales) and Modal Tunings, which you can read here:

http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/profiles/blogs/uncontrite-modal-folker

Beth, If you go to www.robertforce.com you can download his book In Search of the Wild Dulcimer in pdf format. It's a great book and one which will help add to the explanations you have already gotten here. Keep pickin'

Rob

Hi Beth

There are multiple ways of writing tunings, and in the end it's probably easiest to just use standard guitar notation, i.e. all upper case.

First, make sure you are reading these in the right order, from bass to treble, thickest string to thinest. Some of the older books do it the other way around though.

Upper case indicates the lowest notes and lower case any notes that are in the next octave up.

DAd means D on the bass, A on the middle, and d (in the higher octave) on the melody.
DAA means D on the bass, A on the middle, and A on the melody, all in the same octave.

If you see DAD you can be pretty sure this means just the same as DAd though.

In practice, your string gauges won't let you tune to the wrong octave, they will be too slack or broken if you do.

When it comes to intervals W means a Whole tone(2 semitones) and h means a half tone(1 semitone)/
Another system goes TTSTTTS - Tone, Tone, Semitone ...
Or, as you have it, 2212221.

Here's a chart that puts the modes in order(most major to most minor), shows the intervals involved, and what the Home Frets are.

Any thing you don't understand, ask away and you'll get a dozen different answers :)

john

Beth, I don't know what the norm is on pianos, but I can say that on dulcimers and banjos, a lower case note letter is in a higher octave than an upper case letter. Thus, a standard banjo tuning of gDGBD shows the shorter "g" drone 5th string as being an octave higher than the middle string G. You should also know that these days it is customery to name/write out the dulcimer tuning starting with the low bass string first. So- for example a dulcimer tuning of DAd means the first "D" is the lowest bass string, and the last "d" is the highest melody string which is tuned an octave higher than the bass string D.

Thanks everybody! Can't wait to get it!

Thanks for the warning! It's on its way to you right now! ETA: around Sept. 29, 2155.
Dusty Turtle said:

That instrument's no good. You should send it to me.

That instrument's no good. You should send it to me.

Folkcraft (Folk Roots) are really nice dulcimers. A nice company to deal with. You shouldn't be disappointed.

I have sold a few Folkcraft hickory dulcimers through my shop. Those who purchased them have been extremely happy with them. They were all hourglass instruments, but that won't make an appreciable difference in sound. Enjoy the dulcimer when you get it. You made a good choice.

I have played a few of the Folkcraft hickory instruments and highly recommend them! I think that you will be pleased!

Hi Steven,

I have had two of that exact model pass through my shop this year. They were great sounding and great playing dulcimers - nicely set-up and well finished. They were good all-round instruments and I felt the model was particularly nice for fingerstyle playing. You have made a good choice

Robin

I just ordered a Folkcraft all hickory teardrop FSH model dulcimer (directly from Folkcraft). It'll take about a month to get it. I tooka chance, never having heard a hickory instrument. Any opinions about this type of instrument? Thanks in advance!

Thank you, Guys!

Here is the tab from from the Dulcimer Association of Alabama in Huntsville. http://www.hsvmda.com/sites/default/files/tabs/WayfaringStranger.pdf

It is in DAD but you will need to use a capo at the first fret.

Do any of you have dulcimer tablature for "Wayfaring Stranger?" I can't find it anywhere and want to learn it. If I knew it well enough, I could probably figure it out, but I don't remember all of the melody. If you do have it, would you be able to scan it & e-mail it to me? My e-mail address is molly@dulcimersbymolly.com. Thanks!

Barbara, if you like CGC then you may wan to try B F# B . You can even go as low as AEA. On my 3 string McSpadden I can go from DAD all the way down to AEA and the sound is still wonderful, not even close to being to loose even at AEA.

Your strings might become too loose (for lack of a better word), but give it a try anyway. You might want to order you a Snark tuner for around $10.00 plus shipping at Amazon.com.

Happy tuning!!!

Well put, Robin. A good description of the confusion caused by the use of mode names to describe tuning patterns on modern dulcimers.

Hi Barbara,

One of the confusions when it comes to mode names and tunings is the darn 6+ fret . Although D,A,d or 1-5-8 is called a'mixolidian' tuning a good 95% of dulcimer players actually play 'ionian' tunes from that tuning using the 6+ to give do, ra, me, fa, so ,la, te, do from the nut. Without the 6+ the ever popular DAd tuning would be a pain in butt to use as the scale then becomes do, ra, me, fa, so ,la, te (flat), do - the true mixolidian scale and the cause of the naming of the tuning. It doesn't help that companies like McSpadden still refer to 1-5-8 as 'mixolidian' and untertake set-ups and sell string sets for 'mixolidian' - the pragmatic reality is that 1-5-8 has simple become 'ionian' from the nut on contemporary dulcimers.

Barbara said "When changing the key in the Mixolydian mode to F for instance, would the first string be tuned to F, the second a fifth higher and the melody strings to F an octave higher than the first?"

That's spot on! Other than by letter (DAA) or Mode name (Dorian) you will also see tunings referred to by number -- 1-5-8 or 1-5-5 for example, where the bass string is the first number, the middle string is a 5th above, and the melody string is some other value relative to the bass string.

Usually the "octave higher" note is written with a lower case letter to indicate that it is an octave higher -- not DAD, but DAd.

You will likely find that some songs are hard to sing in some keys, but other songs will be easy in those keys. I can't explain this in music theory terms, but what Guy said probably covers it. I only know from experience that I need to try songs in different keys until my voice fits. I sing in C,D,E F, G and A, but not all songs fit the same keys. In G, I often need to sing in a lower octave than I would use in E for the same song. With some songs I have a few choices that I can reach easily, with other songs I may have only one or two good keys. You have to experiment with your voice to find what suits your vocal range.

A key is not the only determining factor which makes a song easy or difficult. All songs have something called a "tessitura," or vocal range. It depends on a combination of the tessitura of a song, the voice type of the singer in question, and the amount of training or lack thereof of the singer which will determine which key is comfortable for a singer to sing in.

Many (but not all) traditional melodies tend to have similar vocal ranges, making the key of D difficult for many women to sing in because it will be at or above the second passaggio (break area) in a woman's voice. This can be very difficult especially in untrained voices, (however some untrained soprano voices work much better in D than C in these melodies).

The Key of D for tenors and high baritones (again depending on the melody and the voice in question), will actually be more comfortable in D than in C in many of these songs, due to the fact that the melodies will often peak just below their first passaggio (break area). In fact, in a tenor's voice, the key of D can often be a bit low for some traditional melodies. So it's really all very relative.

Harder or easier to sing with are relative terms. It depends on your voice.

Any Mode can be tuned to any key. DAA is Ionian Mode in the key of D. Drop everything one note and you have CGG, Ionian Mode in the key of C. DAd is Mixolydian Mode, key of D. Again drop everything one note and you have CGc, Mixolydian Mode in the key of C. The strings that came on your dulcimer will easily tune down to C.

The only drawback to tuning outside of the key of D is that you won't be able to play together with most other dulcimer players (as they believe D is the only key!). But if you are primarily a soloist and a singer then there're no real problem.

In all Ionian Modal tunings, the scale starts at the 3rd fret. All Mixolydian Modal tunings have the scale beginning on the open, unfretted string.

Modes are scales, like do, re, mi, fa, sol la, ti do -- which just happens to be the Ionian Mode scale. The Mixolydian Mode scale is do, re, mi, fa, sol, la, ti-flat, do. Any Mode (scale) can be in any key. Generally the keynote of the dulcimer is the note to which the bass string is tuned - A, B, C, D, E, F, G

To understand the interrelationships between Tunings, Modes, Scales, etc, I recommend you read my blog article here called Uncontrite Modal Folker : http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/profiles/blogs/uncontrite-modal-fo...

My other article, called I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What? Answers many beginner questions about tuning and playing, care and feeding, and an illustrated glossary of terms of the dulcimer. It's here:

http://mountaindulcimer.ning.com/profiles/blogs/i-just-got-a-dulcimer-now-what

I guess the question is, is D too high or too low for you? C is only 1 step lower than D or 5 1/2 steps higher. Try this for an experiment. If you're in DAd, tune the middle string down to G. You can then see if G is a better key for you than D. We can have a better idea of where to go after that.

Rob

What are you using to tune to DAd at the moment? Won't that give you a C to tune to rather than a D?

I would think that your strings would be OK tuned down just one tone - you should experiment a little yourself and see how your dulcimer sounds and feels before making any string changes.

Robin

Hi Barbara,

The melody strings may be a little slack tuned down a tone to c - just give it try though as it won't do any harm.

I know what you mean about the dulcimer and music theory!!! I played varoius instruments for many years before discovering the dulcimer. And this 'simple' instrument hascaused me to learn way more theory than I knew before - plus it is the only instrument I play where I have felt I needed to learn to read music because it is a useful skill.

Hi Barbara,

If you tune all your strings down one tone from DAd to CGc you will be in the key of C with the 'doe' at the open string as it is in DAd.

Noter drone players, like Strumelia, canchange tunings to coverquite a wide range of keys easier than a chord melody player.

The double back of the Galax dulcimer style, as john says, allows the inner back to vibrate freely rather than be muffled in your lap. Some early styles of dulcimer were built with feet, and when played on a table give the same effect -- significant additional volume. Try this for yourself by setting two pencils on a table spaced to support the dulcimer more or less near the ends. You'll notice significantly more volume.

Some people use a detachable false back called a Possum Board on which you can set any dulcimer. The board is usually 3/8" or 1/2" thick and 6-8" wide, and has two unpadded wooden dowels glued to it to suspend the dulcimer. Various combinations of elastic bands hold the dulcimer in place if friction doesn't. Most Possum Boards are player-made, although some of the dulcimer builders also make them for sale.

I us a Possum Board with my Uncle Ed Thomas replica dulcimer by John Knopf, and it makes a world of difference!

The vibrating back of the dulcimer doesn't actually make contact with your lap, so there is a greater resonance and a bit more volume to the sound.

Thanks Carrie!

Next week my holidays are definitvely over. So I took the chance to record it today...

Here's the video corresponding to this tablature:

As there are so many different versions of "Rosin the Bow" (I tend to believe that "Bow" is older than "Beau" and "rosin" not to be a name, but the verb describing the preparation of fiddle strings), I searched for a really "old" source for the tune.

I made a find here (turn to the second page of the document):

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/loc.music.sm1852.191620/pageturner.html

This is a print of 1852 - I didn't find the earliest print of 1838. Don't ask me why it is in a collection of "Ethiopian melodies!"

So I took that melody, transposed it from "G" to "D" and wrote an easy arrangement for it.

Here it is, hope someone likes it. Enjoy!